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Where I'm at so far: In the red corner we have! Koshi Foolishness Oats Alakaslam (reads to come on these in later posts) Light Reds: WoS WoS - This is an associative read and is based on the fact I strongly feel Koshi to be scum. When Koshi gave his big list of everyone in town he said that WoS "town cuz good posts" WoS didn't respond to this but when prphlz said that he was in his "trying" list he said "I'm not even sure I could consider my activity... "trying""+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I'm not even sure I could consider my activity so after 'trying.' snb not scum foolishness nice meta evidence from a year ago when SnB literally JUST played a really solid town game where he explains himself in paragraphs like you said. Dunno who I wanna vote. Getting weird feels from VE ---- mebbe because I'm not used to him actually trying lately? BH has actually decided to play this game which is non-indicative but his aggressive ego push on SnB is a style he tends to use more often as scum than town. Also his 'non-care' games lately have been more from town though obvs he likes to change stuff up Dunno My posting kinda shit so far Why not point it out on Koshi's list too? he also soft defends Koshi with geript, He also said my particular favorite line to say when I'm scum "Man I wish I were scum this game" + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice. Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm Also should look at vote analysis Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8 I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA) Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame Its light red because if I'm wrong on Koshi I think WoS stuff can isn't as bad like I did like most of his posts those just stood out to me as odd. In the green corner we have! austin Austin is in a land of his own in town aside from Tehpoofter he's my topest town! He was actively trying to push against the ML on S&B he was asking lots and lots of questions and is addressing almost everyone in the thread. He was also doing so in a small amount of posts after reading day 1 I thought to myself "Wow how did austin not cap on posts" Then i looked at his filter and he made 19 posts and gave 6 away. To me he felt like the strongest presence in the game but he didn't even make the full posts allotted to him he gave away 1/5th of them. Basically he said a lot in few words which I think is very townie to do scum say little with a lot of words imo. Caller The town reads fall off from here but I think what Caller did (once I got to the part that the nuke was fake) was that he started discussion HELLA early in a gmae with limited postings this was super pro town in my opinion. I think mafia would loved to have rued in the chaos and wasted posts of a game starting he also didn't endanger town and even said that the nuke wasn't real before it hit and Palmer had done the anti-town thing he was claiming. MafiaCaller would have waited until after Palmer did whatever anti-town thing he was going to do (assuming in this case of course Palmer is town) then say "it was just fake bro calm down" instead to me it read kinda like "ok lets not let things get out of hand here I just wanted people to talk" Odin His first post was exactly what I was thinking in my read through. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 14:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: So you're giving up your "if I'm town Palmar is scum" heuristic geript? These people are a lighter green Ceph Palmer Ace Ceph - Made a big post at the start of the day instead of the end he also seemed far more confident than he did in cell mafia as scum to me, this isn't enough for a solid read though. Palmer - His reaction to be a big baby and hold town hostage seems more town than mafia to me but I have a hard time or reading him as mafia. I do however think that as scum Palmer might give up and do the same thing but I feel like he would have screwed with town more. Ace - He called out Foolishness on his weak meta case against SnB and I felt had a townie mindset on the Caller/Palmer situation I think he is wrong on Palmer but he did try to push his lynch on Palmer which is a townie thing. My reason for not putting him higher is that he replied to the post about him not talking about NBA/posting gifs by posting a gif which could be a joke or mafia being like "shit I better give out my town tell thanks for reminding me" | ||
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Oats was the other lynch for yesterday he was at one point I believe tied with SNB. Austin brings up a really good point that Oats was saying caller was town for nuking Palmer and it was so dumb he couldn't be scum but then Oats voted Slam instantly for doing something similar without hesitation. Read austin's filter I was trying to find this post and turns out austin talks about Oats a lot so don't search the word "oats" I don't have much to add on the case as austin did I think a really good job on it. It was much stronger than the SNB case and I think it not getting pushed over was most likely mafia not wanting to. Slam - I can't read you. You shot in a weird in scummy way especially if multiple scum people show up in the voters that were on SNB at the time of Yam's threat. You are a question mark for me in every game we've ever played and that pushes you from "I have no clue" to "wow he did something scummy better lynch him" to me. My main reads however are Koshi and Foolishness (these are my two most likely shots today as I think a) they're the most scummy and b) I don't think town will be able to consolidate on one and they're unlikely to both be scum) I will make a bigger post when I wake up highlighting the scumminess with quotes and shit but for now: Koshi He made this case on SNB and it got band wagoned if he is town here he would be excited I think that SNB his scum read was going to get lynched and be pushing for it (look at how austin the town hero was pushing for Oats) he would be asking questions and trying to really get people on his side for the lynch because obviously finding scum is amazing. Instead Koshi posts such inspiring posts as: On April 27 2014 22:01 Koshi wrote: Ok the things you asked me fully explained. Palmar: Palmar got nuked early in the game and reacted by playing anti-town. It seems he even wanted to play so anti town that he wanted to pardon our lynch. This alone is 100% nuke/Shoot/lynch Palmar for me. I said this quite early. On top of that he claimed scum the exact same way he did in World Heavy Champ thing by quoting the BH scumclaim "blow me town". So I totes want to kill Palmar, but there always is this 1% chance that he was major butthurt and he is actually going to be helpful now because he realizes his major butthurtness was retarded. But I am not holding my breath. Somewhere Palmar should be shot instead of lynched maybe? I don't know, probably the wagon of justice will move to Palmar near the end of the day. Foolishness/prplhz: Foolishness made the JubJub Journals last game so I love Foolishness. Don't be mistaken though, I always love winning games more. So even though it may look like I am just sheeping Foolishness, I am very aware he hasn't done too much. It has nothing to do with proplhz his alignment and how I read him. When I made my list of Koshi awesomeness I saw I already had way too many scum and I would have plprhz town reading his filter but I just put him as scum so people like JAT and geript can be outraged by the ridiculousness of my list and hammer on the fact I got prplhz as scum and I am sheeping etc etc. I just give them scummy points in return. Also laugh at them. SnB: I think this guy is scum. Honest read. I explained it. I think that's all! Bro status achieved? On April 28 2014 00:03 Koshi wrote: ##vote: SnB strongandbig is actually going after Foolishness "for not caring enough". Also superawesome research work on SnB part. On April 28 2014 03:13 Koshi wrote: Meh... ABBA bro you better be not be lying scum here. It's interesting SnB didn't mention geript. Because SnB disagrees with my case and calls me scummy for it but geript gave me a townread for my case. I don't know anymore. All my scummers are voting for SnB. I let the vets do their stuff and vote accordingly. atm I like for lynch: 1) Palmar 2) SnB 3) VE 4) geript ^^ Good job here pre distancing from the lynch he started. On April 28 2014 07:04 Koshi wrote: I stick on SnB. gn. On April 28 2014 10:06 Koshi wrote: Also this post count thingie is only a guideline and not a hard rule. Read OP pls. SnB lynch of Justice. He doesn't try to rally the town behind him ask others questions about his case the only thing he asked was to SNB "Am I scum?" He spends more time defending Oats than he does pushing his own lynch: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 07:02 Koshi wrote: Why isn't Oats lynchbait? Small filter. AFK till lynch. On April 28 2014 07:03 Koshi wrote: I read Oats filter after reading austin case and I don't see the connection. The case is larger than his filter. On April 28 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote: Oats even has way bigger filters than this as mafia. He is a fucking hard catch normally. Look at all the games. He always is like last mafia standing. He doesn't try to give extra reasoning why SnB is scum he basically says he is scum gogogogog. Look at the way austin approached his lynch (imo super townie) and how Koshi did... he was pushing but not and defending the other lynch. I think its super likely Koshi and Oats are both mafia and thats why I put him ahead of Foolishness. The other thing Koshi has done since day 1 right after the night phase ended: On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote: geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter: 1) Oats is town 2) Alakaslam is town 3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass. 4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot. 5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot. 6) RoL useless should be shot. 7) 8) SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well. So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi. So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi. So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro. He basically clears Oats and Slam because of geripts reads right after the shot and basically straight sheeps him with the Palmer read and now suddenly turns on Foolishness. Foolishness was right with him on day 1 on the lynch on SnB they were buddies he sheeped him instantly with his votes goign against his own reads. If Koshi/Oats/Slam are all mafia the geript shot was the best shot to make imo. I will post my Foolishness side of the coin tomorrow for now I need sleep and honestly after going through Koshi's filter again he looks so damn scummy its unreal. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On April 29 2014 21:10 Koshi wrote: Why can you write this long post about your townreads but your scumreads have to wait??? I have never ever felt it was benefiacial when I had strong scumreads to write my townreads down first. Anyhoezels. You are already wrong on me and Foolishness is a good busstarget because he probably cba anymore and the rest of your scumreads are the opposite of what geript told the thread. So you are saying they killed geript for WIFOM? That shit rarely happens, and it really rarely happens to somebody who doesn't get nk early normally. Anyway. Your reads suck but I am very patiently awaiting your awesome cases. Make sure they are awesome. Scum reads are more important and should have lots of quotes and points imo. Like I would want to make one long post on each of the four scum reads (minus maybe slam because quoting his posts is almost always useless) I don't understand you thing on Foolishness he is a good bustarget for me? Also you are assuming geript was right and killed by scum what if he was night vigged? (Honestly I think this is unlikely but I felt his kill was off for scum until I saw that you used it to clear Oats Slam and yourself any one of you could make that kill and be like "hurray I'm clear" maybe even multiple of you! 3 | ||
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On April 29 2014 21:22 Palmar wrote: that's not what I'm talking about, although there is a point to it. Dude is literally begging mafia to recruit him. I actually see your point here now when you said it earlier I didn't really catch it but I could definitely see this. BTW palmer read my Koshi case dude is scummy as shit and probably getting shot by me. Also what do you think of Foolishness? @austin/town what are your thoughts on day vig shots the no flip thing kinda sucks because I don't want to waste on someone who we won't know the alignment of ever. For me I feel like out of my list someone like Oats is a bad shot and a really good lynch because he gives us lots of information on a flip one way or the other. Get two days of good voting on him which is awesome. Also the fact that SNB flipped my role means that there is probably some other vigis floating around that might be red as I doubt town gets (at least) two day shots and mafia doesn't get any. I really am off to bed now I stayed up like an hour more than I intended because I had to quote like all of Koshi's posts cause every damn one was scummy. | ||
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On April 30 2014 06:00 Koshi wrote: Well I am also soon going to bed so make sure this poofter guy doesn't shoot Koshi in some insane mindset that he will lynch Fool and Shoot Koshi. Leave Koshi alone. this thread really needs more Koshi is town comments. Koshi "Don't shoot I'm town" bleh this makes me want to shoot you more because you don't give any evidence to your alignment you don't try to push me off you or even call me scummy. To me a town mindset would be there is a dude with gun to my head he is either a silly town who i need to convince not to shoot or he is scummy trying to get a shot on me. You havent really done either seems to me you have just kinda taken this "guys im really town though" approach. I think foolish might be scum but the more you the post the more I am convinced you're the scum between the two of you. if you're town like I need more or in my eyes you're giving foolishness a free pass (although seems there is some votes heading his way.) The only thing really holding me back atm is that I want you to get lynched so that I can brag about being super right. @ VE You said you were going to look over my case I believe Austin also asked you to look can you look at Koshi and tell me what makes you think hes town or even what makes Palmer scummier (I read what Palmer did as being a cry baby initially although him openly checking out of the game I'm not sure how to read... like if he is scum I feel like he does that if he doesn't like his scumteam. I feel like its slightly more town because when I was partner's with Palmer in that game a couple of us were afk and he basically carried the initial day with Steveling and in Titanic when he was scum he pushed his teammates to post post post and tried very hard it seemed as scum. Then in Catastophe he kinda trolled and sorta gave up on one of his win cons so to me it seems like more of town Palmer but its a bit different maybe you have a bit more insight into his meta. @ Oats Why should Koshi get my bullet over you? If not Koshi/you then whom? I feel like Austin has a really good case on you and you're not really fighting it at all. @WoS What does a Koshi scum push look like? What was townie about the way Koshi pushed (is use this word lightly) on SNB yesterday? I actually do like your BH case he has flown under my radar for the most part. What do you think of Foolishness as well? I was going to donate you a couple posts for you to answer but unless my math sucks you have only used 12 posts why say you're running out? Btw this post you made was my favorite of the thread:+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 13:24 WaveofShadow wrote: I will waste my posts whenever the fuck I please. ![[image loading]](http://www.ianspokerstars.net/_/rsrc/1321988779574/home/people/lek/rounders56.jpg) | ||
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On April 27 2014 06:46 Koshi wrote: I am sorry but if Foolishness says you are scum. You are scum. No need to second guess it. ##Vote: prphlz Especially when Koshi follows it up saying he thinks prphlz might be town/doesn't know why hes scummy but basically hes voting because you said so??? + Show Spoiler + On April 27 2014 07:13 Koshi wrote: I literally do this in every game marv is in and you never have a problem with it. You are even pushing me away to have marv his penis for you alone. Now suddenly it is a problem I follow the great Foolishness? I don't know what it is that makes prplhz scummy. I see: 1) trying to help town atmosphere saying stuff that is good for town atmosphere in theory. Then also votes Caller and gives reasoning. Asks a question to VE that probably has nothing to do with scumhunting. Asks the guys who think Caller is town why they think Caller is town. 2) Helping people who can't read the OP. Asking some questions to Ace that might not have anything to do with scumhunting. 3) Tell Oats he is wrong and Caller is scum. 4) Telling Caller he is scum. 5) Telling the thread Caller is scum. So I am going on blind trust here. Foolishness town hero. Can you go into a bit further detail on what you think of Palmer? like basically you're saying "I think he's town but I'd vote he's also not the best case" Ill look through your filter for a case you have on Palmer after this but I don't recall it. @town I Think Koshi is most definitely the scum between Foolish and Koshi.... look at the way they've played the game Koshi brings up a case on SNB but doesn't ever really push it he also defends the other lynch candidate Oats who if you read Austin's case looks scummy as well. I feel like he also REALLY wanted the Geript kill to be meaningful and brought it up very very quickly after the day start something I think mafia does because they know who is going to die. I am most likely shooting Koshi before days end unless some people I find townie can convince me otherwise (I'm looking at you austin, odin, ace, palmer, foolish). I think the lynch needs to be between Oats/WoS/BH/RoL I am going to read filters on them and decide where to place my vote. Koshi you have about 12 hours or so to convince me you're town or you'll be the proud owner of a bullet! | ||
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On April 30 2014 08:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Whats with all these lurkers coming back and calling me scum??? So many sheeples. Poofter why do you keep pussyfooting around about shooting a dude? Shoot or dont, dont wave your gun around trying to scare people. When you act scummy people call you scum shockingly enough. Read austin's filter I'd say 70% of it is a case on you. Who should we be sheeping Oats? I also am not going to just rando shoot this is my first time having a gun in forum mafia and I don't really want to be wrong I'd love to be able to say I always shoot mafia sort of thing post game so I am giving Koshi a chance to explain himself.  Besides the day is not even half over some people haven't posted since the night phase maybe we have a cop with a red check or something that a day vig could help solve. | ||
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On April 30 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote: So why are only the scummy people voting for me poof? If im so super scum and austins case is based on reality then I should get wrecked right? Funny that its not happening. Maybe its because his case is not right. Which begs the question, what exactly are you sheeping? Is this innocent ignorence or intentional malice? You only have one vote on you in gumshoe atm. Austin I know would vote you in a heartbeat. I think it is odd more people aren't wanting to vote on you too lynch there has been quite a few new cases brought up today on people who didn't get much talk day one. My koshi case, BH, RoL to name a few. I am of course partial to my own case I liked Foolishness's on RoL too. My only reservation on you Oats is that I've read you incorrectly in the two games we played in (Titanic and Catastophe) both times I called you wrong. I also don't like this thing where people don't really defend themselves against an accusation. Koshi just did his whole "I'm town guys for the realz" and RoL just put out a small 1 line defense then kinda sucked up to Foolishness: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 08:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Suck it phil. Your argument collapsed on top of itself. You talk about how I am lazy and apathetic and then say that after I sheeped you I pretended to draw the same conclusion. The real reason was because I just went WOOOO VOTE SNB, then went and did other things, then eventually came back and read it when I stopped being lazy. On April 30 2014 08:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: DOES THAT MEAN YOU TAKE IT BACK?! On April 30 2014 08:49 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: TUNNEL BUDDIES 4 LYFE? I need more than that like stand up and fight if you're town if you're scum feel free to continue as is. ##Vote: RebirthOfLeGenD Voting you but Koshi I'm still shooting you until further notice. @JAT where are you on WoS? @Slam I might regret this but what are your reads atm? If you had another shot where would you be pointing your gun? @Odin/Ace where you at? How do you guys feel about RoL? (Austin you can answer as well) 7 | ||
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@RoL You planning on hunting any scum today? It seems your posts have just been like 1-2 liners of defending yourself lightly and badly in my opinion. I have no clue who you think is mafia/town care to enlighten me/the rest of town? You're kinda not doing much tbh. Granted you're not the only one that this falls under today who else would you like to hear more from? Me personally Caller/Ceph/Ace/Gum/Odin/Prplhz I'd all want to hear a bit more from. Ocho! | ||
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@Koshi Tick Tock. @ Ace have you looked at my case on koshi/austin's on oats and foolishness' on RoL? cause honestly I'd vote all of them before I voted PAlmer. nien. | ||
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@Koshi Tick Tock. @ Ace have you looked at my case on koshi/austin's on oats and foolishness' on RoL? cause honestly I'd vote all of them before I voted PAlmer. nien. | ||
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The votes should be going to one of the 4 austin pointed out. It seems to be RoL isn't gaining traction so I'm going to consolidate further and switch to Oatsmaster. ##Unvote ##Vote: Oatsmaster Look at Austin's day one case look how scum Koshi attempts to bus him when the gun in his mind is about to go off then back off it later after I didnt shoot cause maybe he thinks I was faking or he persuaded me or something idk its a very odd thing to do and feels like scum. GUN TIME: I am convinced Koshi is mafia his posts lately were fake AtE like no ones business. He spent 3-4 posts on yelling at me and just calling me bad or mafia. He didn't really expand on his reads or try to tell me who to shoot minus what I think is busing Oats (who according to his geript read is confirmed town) I think its interesting that he threw dirt on Oats when he thinks the deadline is up (it would have been but I fell asleep early) Smells like mafia busing mafia here. I'm shooting Koshi and killing a mafia you guys that don't want me to can say thank you later, if by some chance I'm wrong Its on me but I'm not afraid of shooting vocal scum. (I use vocal lightly because he posts a lot but doesn't honestly say much a huge scum tell) #Shoot: Koshi I have posts to donate I'm going to look over who needs them and give them to people I think are townie. We absolutely need to consolidate and not vote Foolishness I'll go more into that with my next post. 10 | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:00 justanothertownie wrote: Oh god. Another scum. There is no reason. LITERALLY NO REASON to have a townread on Foolishness right now if you had a scumread at the start of the day. What has he done since then that convinced you? I want you to show me that specific thing. You didn't even use the BH mason excuse. You are saying I am trying to win? If so does that mean you have a townread on me? Because if that is the case why THE HELL would you shoot Koshi right now? Shockingly enough you can read someone as town and disagree with your reads. I think Koshi is scummy he gives his reads ME Palmer Ceph are consistant. No more Oats again austin went off from his earlier post:+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 03:29 Koshi wrote: austinmcc Bro from ABBA cult. My contributions to this thread have been plenty. They are between the post in which I am fighting for my life? I didn't know that fighting for your life was scummy. Yes, I have to repeat a lot that I am town. That is because there is a guy who wants to shoot me. If I could point out all the scummy guys and let you believe those are the scummy guys I would do it. Anyhoezels. I am without posts. I will keep last one for vote changing. I will be offline in 4 hours though. If you want me to answer stuff. You will have to give me posts now. Koshi scumteam: ThePoofter Cephiro Palmar Foolishness austinmcc Those guys. YES I KNOW I LOVE TO OMGUS. But I am content with those names for the time being. Then after hes shot:+ Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote: Also Cephiro. Don't forget him. Alakaslam. Alakaslam Poofter Palmar Cephiro Those 4. Don't forget them Why not bring these up in the like hours between those posts if it change you only try to solve the game when you're in danger of dying or dying. Scummy as shit. This is why I shot him JAT. And the reason I flipped on Foolishness is that I went into the day thinking it was 1 between Foolish and Koshi and Koshi got scummier as the day went on. I find it hard to believe two scummers started that first lynch. Foolish also looked very town after his very long post. It made me look again at RoL who I still think is scum with Oats. For me the teams is Koshi Oats RoL +3 between Ceph/Slam/Va/WoS/Ve/gum This is assuming 5 mafia +1 traitor. I am goign to make a post why Foolishness is town next but I'm at work so having to do shit between check-ins is a pain. | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:19 OdinOfPergo wrote: rip Koshi  I think you were town at least Which makes me think Poof is not town for #1 not waiting for this shot until he really had to take it.. instead of like 4 hours early. But wait I'm so confused.. Because scum having 2 extra shots during the day seems so strong.. so many people with guns this game. I waited something like 8 hours than I said I was going to and Koshi didn't do shit he just complained that I'm scum or really bad. He waffled on Oats who I think should be the lynch today and wasn't trying to solve the game or push a lynch at all he just was typing in caps a lot. Not in the same way Austin was look at Austin posts Vs koshi. Jat What specifically makes you think My shot was scum motivated? Do you think I've been trying to figure out the game? like if you think I missed I can understand having different viewpoints I'd think it would be dumb if we lynched Foolishness but I still think you're town cause you're working on figuring out the game. tbh if you're going to shoot shoot like w.e. I killed a mafia with my shot so I'm happy you're welcome town. We need to consolidate votes!!! We need 10 for a lynch and I don't think were at it. We need to not let scum Oats get away with another day of coasting and being the 2nd lynch. | ||
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On May 01 2014 07:42 Cephiro wrote: Ok read up on the shot and the things that happened after. Respect to poofter for taking the shot. Complaints because it would have been much better to shoot Oats (whom at least I, and probably many others agree that would've been a much more certain pick for scum), and lynch Koshi. For those who really think I am traitor... pls, did you read my post at all? Or are you just stupid? I liked your big post on Koshi. I think he did really scummy things. The reason for shooting him over Oats even thoguh I think both are scum is that Koshi's flip tells us he pushed a town lynch day 1 (something we already know) if we flip Oats and hes Mafia we have SO MUCH INFO from the vote movements yesterday.... like who pushed on Oats who moved off Oats who voted SNB for no reason things like that. We get info on him and vote analysis info on everyone in town!!! So I think KNOWING Oats alignment over Knowing Koshi's better for town in the end. Odin's thing with the Matyr was good and is the first time this whole day I have honestly thought Koshi might not be mafia. He still could have made that post as scum but it is a very odd one to make. ;/ But lets talk less about the shot more about the lynch we have to make in a couple hours here. If you want to tell me I'm bad for my shot then tell me but also tell me who we should lynch thats better. @Jat so the BH Foolish supposed QT thing do you think thtas a play made by scum? If so is it scum/scum or scum/town? Like BH coming out to say that Foolish is town because of a QT makes it hard for it to be Scum/Scum imo because thats like a mega risky play they have to bank on especially since BH calimed hes a recruiter and therefore HAS to pull more people into his QT therefore verifying his claims. So I think that BH here can't be scum with Foolish... I read Foolish as town so I'm thinking BH/Foolish Town Jat Odin Austin Me town Ceph's last post moved him off my list tbh like he seemed honestly angry his case wasnt heard. Where is Ace/VE/Caller? Palmer quit complaining about how you're playing bad and step up and make a case one at least one person I think you're frustrated/dejected town but like if you're not useful you're going to make us lose. TO ALL TOWN WE NEED TO LYNCH Can we get a new vote count? Jat I'm going to convince you Foolishness isn't scum just give me a minute I'm trying to do this shit from work and apparently today is phone call day so I keep getting interrupted trying to make big posts. grr. | ||
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On May 01 2014 04:12 Foolishness wrote: I'll consolidate my vote onto any of the four austin proposed (with the exception being myself of course). Also Cephiro promised us something good by half-way into day 2 and has not delivered yet. He wants the info from the player hes not pushing for a lynch instantly he thinks its scummy but hes reasonable and wants to point it out/pressure him to give info. Note in this case it worked as Ceph gave his reads and Foolish responds to them: On May 01 2014 05:16 Foolishness wrote: I'm having trouble understanding this world where 3 active town members on day 1 (plus one confirmed town who died at night) who each posted their own cases about why strongandbig should be lynched are mafia and not say the ~8 people who have yet to post a case, contribute to the town or post their own thoughts. I'm also having trouble believing that it's in the best interest to the town to kill the people who are posting cases and contributing and just letting those ~8 people get away with doing nothing. So I would be honored if someone can explain to me why the people who sat around on day 1 are all likely town. And ya know, you can do this by responding to the cases already made or by posting your own. Here he responds to the case and he doesn't like what Ceph had to say (me personally I read him as town because of his post although I dislike his Foolish/Odin read I still think it was town) Foolish here reasons with Ceph's idea not with him. A mafia Foolish could just call ceph scummy and vote for him here its an easy thing to push and he doesn't he argues against the idea to try to get him to follow his thought process. The part I bolded just radiates town: He encourages people to post cases and not just sheep which is an excellent way to catch scum because scum can't just blindly sheep. Look at Foolishness' big post for the day:+ Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 07:45 Foolishness wrote: Except it wasn't a bad case because 12 people voted on it? Oops. If someone wants to post an actual case against me I'll gladly respond to it (or quote it for me in case I missed it). I haven't seen any real arguments about how I'm mafia. Most of them are silly because they boil down to: 1) sandroba said so. Of which I have to say: a) He also said that Palmar is mafia (and Palmar said he was mafia let's not forget that) and Palmar is a much more questionable character than I am for obvious reasons. b) Like you have never nightkilled someone to incriminate another town? c) I already refuted what sandroba had to say about me. If you need clarification bring up an argument and I'll respond. 2) I pushed a "bad" case on day 1. Of which I have to say: a) It wasn't bad because a bunch of people (including townies) voted on it. b) A bunch of people independently came up with reasons why it was a good lynch. c) It's not my mafia meta like some people claim. According to the past 4 forum mafia games I've played I have either 1) done jack shit while I was alive or 2) make a case but never follow through. On that subject, I return to what I said in an earlier post. Some of you seem to have this idea that yesterday's lynch was a mafia controlled lynch. I find this hard to believe and it's probably not true. The main reason being is because of point 2b) above: a bunch of people all had given reasons why strongandbig was a good lynch, all of which came independently. These people include Koshi, geript (confirmed town), Blazinghand and myself. If this was a mafia controlled lynch than a lot of people who started the wagon on him would have to be mafia (which is not true. Of the 4 people I listed there I'm sure we're all town. At most one is mafia if you want to hedge I guess). Not to mention there was opposition to the lynch in the form of good opposition from people like Odin and prphlz (by this I mean actual reasons behind why he's town and not just "this lynch sucks like some people did"). Furthermore, how many people are there that sat and watched that lynch happen? There's a lot, and I'll come back to those people below and I've already said who in my previous posts. For every person in this game that is making constructive posts and pushing reads it feels like there's 2 people who are sheeping (though 2 is an exaggeration in reality). What do you think is the most likely scenario for what has happened this game: 1) mafia pushed the strongandbig lynch really hard. Of the voters for strongandbig there's ~4 mafia voting, and half the town is sitting derping while this happened. 2) Town pushed a lynch onto a town. Mafia have all their votes spread out and just sat and watched it happened (which means sheeping reads, not pushing whoever they are voting for and letting town self-destruct). It should be clear what happened yesterday unless you're in conspiracy theory land. I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? The people noteworthy here are: RebirthOfLegend Who is guilty of: 1) Sheeping the vote read here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 04:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: As my tunnel buddy, I'm required to agree with everything foolishness says. ##Vote StrongAndBig And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch. Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward. Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB. You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack. And then 2) in his most recent post here: He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver. So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him? Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend WaveOfShadow Who is guilty of: 1) Not doing anything day 1 in a broad sense. He's always a big presence in the thread but most people seem to have forgotten he was even in this game (I know I did on multiple occasions). 2) Flailing his vote around on day 1. First voting for sandroba here + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 09:03 WaveofShadow wrote: I was actually going to suggest more people shoot so we can use the coroner and veal a whole bunch of stuff at once ( I'm assuming its a one shot that only reveals one set of no flips ) Also ##Vote:sandroba And then unvoting an hour and a half later (to his credit that was when sandroba came back to the thread and voted a bunch). Then voting for Oats even though he doesn't like the case here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 10:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Dunno man, looks like Oats bein' Oats to me. I'd lynch him over SnB though for sure. 3) Says Palmar is suspicious and should probably be lynched but never doing anything about it: 4) Follows some weird train of thought that ends up with him voting Blazinghand? I can't even follow his logic through this one. He keeps saying he wants to sheep someone but doesn't seem to quite know where to go with that. He's either bored townie or mafia. I don't think I've ever seen him bored. Palmar Who is guilty of a lot of things. To be clear I will maintain my position that Palmar is town but I am still listing him here because he fits the bill and I would still vote for him should the rest of us decide he needs to die. My vote is staying on the better case for now. Oastmaster Who is guilty of: 1) Voting for strongandbig without any reasoning here: + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote: man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard. For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with ##unvote ##vote SnB Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls. 2) General absence on day 1. He was next in line to get lynched and hardly seemed to care. --- I have to stop here for now but I know I'm on the cusp of having this figured out. He comes out with his reads in a concise case like fashion hes pushing on people that either haven't done shit or have been doing scummy shit. The only weird thing he says is about Palmer and I called him out for it and he later gave in my opinion his only weird post of the day: On April 30 2014 09:53 Foolishness wrote: Koshi was one of the few posting things of substance yesterday so I thought he was town. I agree with you that his flip-flop-ness is questionable. I haven't looked at any of his past games (yet) so I'm not sure how normal this is for him. I do think you bring up some good points though, not sure if I'd shoot him yet. I'm just going to change my Palmar read status to: "I don't know". Thought he was town, but maybe not cause he had that bad post where he gave a bunch of reads day 1. Thought he was town again, but him dying would answer a lot of questions I think. I don't know. Would not bat an eye if he died. This is the only weird part of his reads and the only thing that felt off to me. Not sure how much I like this answer but the rest of his posts feel town to me and I can't see myself voting on him today over Oats who has been lurky is very much tied to Koshi and gives us a TON of info for vote analysis on flip. JAT Point out where I'm going wrong please but I think Foolish is town. 15(I have a double post idk how but counting it) (+4 given) | ||
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On May 01 2014 09:53 Blazinghand wrote: BTW we really need like 2 more votes on Oats. I've gotta run for a bit but I'll be back before deadline. Look, we can't no-lynch today. I'm willing to entertain shenannies if there will be people around We need a lynch Oats I think is mafia Austin thinks is mafia (look at austin's post if he isn't town this game like i dont even know hes bleeding green) Even if you might be fence on Oats or leaning scummy on him consider the information town gains from his lynch... two whole days of pushing on One guy 2 days of vote analysis to look at. This kind of info can't be garnered from anyone else in game. Vote Oatsmaster best day 2 lynch 2014!!! I have four posts left I can give them away if people need to change votes I'm going to go look at post counts for people but I think JAT is the only one that is close to capped. IF anyone knows who needs them let me know. On May 01 2014 08:27 Caller wrote: in case it isnt obvious poofter is mafia day vig and koshi was some poor townie idiot poofter waited until half of town wanted koshi dead then made case to shoot him town didnt say no he shoots no repercussions, hurray for mafia getting a free kill dont believe me? look at his most recent post, it screams mafia I was the first one to call out Koshi I think and I made a HUGE post against him at the start of the day... consider reading the thread before posting. Plenty of Townie people said I shouldn't shoot him Jat wanted to shoot me for it and I think he is townie (look at the passion he's putting into the Foolishness lynch which I think hes wrong about but its town passion imo) Foolish thought he was scummy but not a shot. I still think it was a good shot. @Caller What about my last post made me mafia? Also who do you think is mafia with me? Also is Slam scummy for shooting like he did? @Ace/VE You guys need to choose a wagon so we can at least get a lynch. VE you made a post but not a vote man you need to at least pick a side sitting on the sidelines is an awesome way to let scum get a no lynch and we're close on Oats if we don't get them then I think a mafia gets away. I know VE this is your time to be awake if you're playing Video mafia take the time to get in here and make your vote count. | ||
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@Jat. If you're so confident on foolish we have roles outed that can help make sure your shot hits or you can shoot him and vote Oats. Like I think foolish is town and both of these ideas I think are really terrible but IF we happen to be wrong on Oats I think we have a safety net in the fact that you still have a bullet. I agree with your point that Oats can look scummy as town but I felt like in Titanic he put through the effort to at least try to find scum in this game I haven't seen that and he looks a lot like he did right before and after he Trapped WoS in that Catastrophe game as scum. Also Jat who on the Oats train do you think is scummy? I realize I'm probably among them since we didn't see eye to eye on my shot but who else? just me? @Austin Sorry if I make you paranoid bro just trying to lynch scum. What do you think of Ace/VE not being here and voting no one that is going to get lynched today? I had town reads on both starting the day but their lurkyness is giving me pause. 3 posts left. | ||
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Ace where the F are you? Lurking town might lose this game despite the best efforts of those of us trying. This is my 2nd to last post I want to save the last one just in case but what do people think about things? Putting in info before a flip puts mafia in a really weird position because they have to know whats coming and pretend not to so posting anything about how you think todays lynch will turn out is good for town. Also I think were going to hit with Oats and already hit with Koshi (nice shot poofter!) but there is still more mafia out there. This is to everyone Who are they? I'll go first Caller/WoS/VA/Ace/RoL my top 5 atm I think there is at least 2-3 mafia in there. Caller's thing at the start of the day was townie enough to get discussion started but he hasn't done much since then and honestly hasn't done much since. WoS is admitedly not trying/playing bad/coasting he could be town or just using this apathy as a cop out as mafia. VA posts in these short little one line bursts and did that thing just now at the end where he said "i dont like this whoops too late" after saying not much all day. IF Oats happens to be town this might be a mafia looking for an out. Ace hasn't done anything all day but say lynch Palmer and afk a whole bunch. I don't see much scum hunting from him at all this is also the 2nd time he seems to not care about a lynch going through and ending up on a non-major wagon. RoL guilty of what WoS is doing look at Foolish's case at the start of the day for more info on that. | ||
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On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote: Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! This is especially pertinent. Good catch day 1 austin. So the fact that scum had a day vig we have myself as town day vig Jat claiming it and Slam already to have shot I think scum having equal amounts of vig shots to town would make sense if so I think Jat although really wrong on foolish/Oats wouldn't be that pushy on it as scum knowing the Oats flip is likely. Therefore I feel like Slam is very likely to be mafia day vig in this scenario. Now it could be mafia is sitting back and holding shots from day vigs for possible power roles but I think that even numbers of town/mafia day vigs makes the most sense. I will say this if you're going to accuse someone from this point forward VOTE FIRST then accuse so that way you can't instantly be shot like if we have a cop who gets a red check or something. Getting off work and playing some video mafia tonight + Show Spoiler + Feel free to join if you're interested will be with the daily mafia crew toss me a PM and ill get you in. @those who I called out in the last post before day end during the night can you attempt to give your thoughts and who is scummy/townie? What does the Oats flip do for your reads? NOT GIVING TOWN INFO IS BAD post restrictions doesn't mean lurk use those 5 posts wisely. 1 | ||
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On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote: Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town. Banks I'll get to you later. Is it later yet? @VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts? @JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill?? @Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out? @Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot? | ||
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On May 02 2014 10:41 OdinOfPergo wrote: Poofter I'm going to hold you to that statement.. Well maby I wont.. Because I really know I'll be dead before morning. But you know... Take a look from my perspective. What if I am town? Because you assume right now with your Koshi assumption I am 100% scum. That is the only way me and Koshi make any sense together. So are you saying me and Koshi are scum? Ok cool.. now factor Austin into that. Why the hell would I claim to save austin (In the heat of the moment, I might remind you. Before anyone comments. I claim to save Koshi... and then switch to Austin after Koshi tells me to fuck off, save the town, and save someone else.) I blatantly gave not only my entire role claim but who I was going to save this night. So like the progression there is so basic.. Poof shoots Koshi, I am martyr for Koshi. Kosh tells me HIMSELF not 2 fucking minutes later to move my save. I do. I move my save to austin. Koshi dies. Poof is confirmed to kill a townie. Yes this is fucking confirmed. Anyone who doesn't fucking realize this.. Please just lynch me tomorrow because you're worse than me. That's strait fucking impossible. Which means your scum. SO fucking lynch the claimed Martyr who will continue to save townies this entire game or go ahead and claim scum. I strait dare you. You shoot town. You respond.. "I don't care I think my shot was good!" Because your shot was totes on scum. Why are you ignoring EVERYTHING I do this game? LIKE I FUCKING GAVE MY LIFE TO SAVE SOMEONE AND YOUR IGNORING IT. The ONLY reason I'm alive right now instead of Koshi is because [g]KOSHI[/g] HIMFUCKINGSELF TOLD ME TO MOVE OFF HIM. Otherwise you would be arguing with Koshi right now and not me. Why are you ignoring me entirely? You're scum. That's why. Too many fucking shots have been called this game for scum to only have one vig. You're at least one more. Lynch this guy. I play confidently that doesn't mean I'm scum. (I do in video mafia and I usually am pretty stubborn) Also keep in mind when I shot all that stuff hadn't happened and I said that I was sure of my shot except what he did at death was weird but I wasn't going to take the thing he did at the end as a full clear (now I could be wrong and I accept that but I want to think I'm right) I think its really unlikely that you and him are scummates because you would have a hard time explaining a death other than your own or especially austin with that claim so I think you're very town. But that doesn't make Koshi town because yes he did let himself just die think about how bad that makes me look as town for shooting him as well as think about if he had accepted your save. Like if he accepted your save he just took a save that could be used for an important power role so if it turns out Koshi was just VT or something his play makes a lot of sense or if he is scum he basically has to claim a power role later or everyone would be like "why take a bullet from the martyr if you're just a VT" especially if the end conclusion is that I get lynched for it and flip town. Like I understand you think he was town thats fine. I think you're town for what you did not necessarily Koshi. Curiously what else have I done that you find scummy besides shooting Koshi? What was my agenda as scum? Lynch Oats? Try to save Foolish (who I think is town?) Like I shot I'm a day vig you say I'm making excuses and I don't think I am I certainly haven't said I regret shooting if he turns out town then yes I'll be upset at myself but thats my bad. Personally before we actually know for sure Koshi's alignment I think this talk isn't very useful. (obviously because I know you're just pushing on me when I'm town) @Odin so aside from me who am I scum with? What other things do you find scummy? And what will you do if Koshi turns out to be red? What kind of fruit basket will you send me? Spoilers: I like Strawberries and bananas the best. #Donate: 1 post to Odin I think that caps me but I'm interested in who else you think is scummy because I agree that if your claim is real you're likely to die tonight unless I'm wrong on austin (which honestly I can't imagine) | ||
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BH: I read as town because of the Foolishness supposed QT thing looks like he has hard claimed now. Slam: Slam has shot someone who was threatening to shoot someone on the day 1 town wagon lynch in the claim that he was protecting them. Slam did look a bit better in day 2 he actually made some coherent posts: + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 00:29 Alakaslam wrote: That is actually a good point for me being shot. As for my shot people really want me to fabricate reasons where there were none, lol Like I panicked and did not read his clarification, I even understand now that was a mistake. What is funny is that recognizing this fact now makes me badass scum powerful, the all knowing scum genie. It actually makes me a recovered former retard- but hey if I must be lynched DOIT now. On May 01 2014 06:13 Alakaslam wrote: K here is something. IF foolishness is scum, so also is Koshi most likely even though that makes very little sense. If foolishness is town Koshi could still be scum but most likely he is t. That show he actually might be thinking about the game in a townie sense most of his others are 1 liners or vote hoping or incoherent to me. I honestly have no clue what to make of him from his posts cause I disagree with a lot of the reads he makes The only thing I find weird about the claim is the part about N1 N2 compare and no correlation to N3 N4 compare (tbh seems like a shitty cop to me but w.e.) Austin did the leg work and found that another Ver game had a parody cop like this so that would be really weird for scum to make up (although it does avoid him having to make up a check for tomorrow before we lynched his other check this is in a scum!Ceph world which I don't believe in) I'm going to read BH filter ignoring the QT bit and see where I end up. | ||
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The activity level of this game feels like the end of Catastrophe so maybe with the Oats lynch mafia has the wind out of its sails. (Perhaps that poofter guy did shoot right after all!) I really think slam's shot has been scummy and then he hasn't done much but there was a weird posts that I think Foolish pointed out at the start of day 2 where BH took the party line most mafia do of "lets lynch the lurkers" and he voted gumshoe who was first to case Oats. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that. Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch. ##vote gumshoe I'm gonna go with JAT today as I still read him town and if hes right on BH then I'll look over Foolish again but if Jat is wrong I might have to reread him because he is really pushing this BH/Foolish connection hard. (I think too hard to be mafia but flipping BH will tell us a lot) ##Vote: Blazinghand @austin Oats had the ability to shoot all the 2nd day and decided not to despite him having to know heat was most likely coming his way. He I think could have gotten away with a Slam shot so him choosing not to shoot means either a) He for some reason thought shooting slam would cause him more suspicion b) He wasn't around to take a shot before the votes got too high c) He is mafia with any of the people he feels like he could shoot and without flips it does nothing but hurt him (i.e. Slam) For me I lean towards b or C cause honestly Slam was on my shoot list if Koshi hadn't been scummy. I wouldn't have given Oats grief over it and honestly probably given him some town cred. @Foolish I might be misunderstanding how the mason thing works but I don't understand your voting on BH if you're in a QT with him as I thought being in the QT meant you were both confirmed town. | ||
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@austin Thanks for the breakdown of the QT I think this makes foolish look really townie and I really don't see a scum team going all in on a single QT. I also understand reasons for not saying the names of others in the QT. I want to say though if you have info about how/when those persons in the QT were recruited and who pushed for them I think it might be valuable to the thread especially since I think Foolish is town. Did BH give other suggestions on recruits? I saw that you said Foolish was looking at me or you. Good to see that WoS has finally decided to play. I think its important to look at who is really putting forth effort in the thread atm and seeming excited. People like WoS and to a lesser extent Palmer have come out of the shadows and starting posting much more after 2 straight scum lynches. This reads townier for me on them because I'm excited that were kicking ass the past two days and hopefully can hit another one today. (Although looks like donkies are voting foolishness so I won't hole my breath) Towniest Town: Tehpoofter, Ceph, Austin. Slam Town circle: WoS JaT Foolish Slightly Town: Palmer Lurkers that made a big case on mafia and havent done shit else this game: Gumshoe Slightly scummy: Va, Caller Scummers: Ace, Prphlz, Ve I really think we're making a mistake hitting Foolish here the QT stuff seems like good info to me from austin. I think that Foolish was the other lynch to Oats day 2 and we know his alignment. I feel like scum is probably lurking/dejected after two straight lynches Foolish doesn't seem like that in his readings. We should be voting people like Ace who hasnt done shit all day maybe he does have real life things going on but he literally has just been pushing lynching Palmer and thats it. Like reading his short filter its no cases on Palmer just lets lynch him!!! Prphlz wanted to kill Foolish yesterday and has been riding this train with JaT since day 2. For me I think that the scenario here is town Jat is wrong about Foolishness and Prphlz has been pushing this agenda with him while letting JaT do all the leg work. I would love to hear from you Prphlz more on who else could be scum minus Foolish? VE: This feels exactly like Ve's game as traitor last game in Catastrophe to me. He just comes in talks about how town he is and how man hes so town like that shit does nothing for me at all. Not to mention he made this post: + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi everyone! So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro. Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did. Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo. Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response: No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more. My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so. I feel like Ace, Prphlz, Ve are playing lazy games and I feel like scum is playing a lazy game. VA gets on the list for basically claiming a role non chalantly and playing this super weird game that seems off to me. He hasn't died at night either after basically announcing hes an unknown role Why would scum not try to kill him? Caller did that weird thing on Palmer day one and has kinda checked out I gave him town points for that but (without looking) I don't know a single one of Caller's reads off the top of my head. 1st post of day. | ||
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Before I do. ##Donate: 3 posts to WaveofShadows Anyone else townie need some (seems like scum isn't even coming close to their cap each day tbh) @Austin you town read prphlz for wanting to kill foolish on the day that the cop claimed. Does it change your opinion now that BH flipped traitor? @gumshoe So you made a case on Oats you plan on doing anything else this game? 1 scum isn't all the scum. @Palmer I like these recent posts on Ace they make you feel even more townie and Ace even more scummie. ##Vote: Ace Ace I've always heard is really good before I even started playing forum I read the most recent champions game he was in and this play doesn't look the same at all. Can you give another read after 3 days aside from that Palmer is mafia? @Ace How do you feel the mafia are playing this game? More so what style of game? If Palmer is mafia who are his partners? @Jat I doubt I'm going to convince you that Foolishness is town because you have clearly built a tunnel and are planning on ramming it home, but maybe I'm wrong on Foolishness I agree with you my first real pause was the RoL flip thats no bueno at all Also he is voting Palmer which I don't care for. One of my big hang ups on why he is town though is: what Scum Foolishness has to gain keeping the info in the QT out of town's information. Does scum foolishness not go "damn I look scummy oh damn I could put all this info out to town from the QT" That is like the easiest town points he could ever get but he is still choosing to withhold info. Explain to me why Scum Foolish does this. @Foolishness Look at Palmer's most recent postings look how he has perked up today more so than any other day imo. Do you not get a town vibe on this? Like look at WoS who is now blowing up as town since the 2 straight good lynches after not doing anything. I feel like Palmer is doing the same thing. What do you think of Ace? What about some of the other people pushing on you? 2nd Post of the day (3 given) | ||
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Also I was just reading gumshoe's filter and realized that 2 of the posts he made today I totally thought austin made when reading through so maybe he done more than just case Oats. I move gumshoe to Slightly town with Palmer after realizing I can't read. 3 posts 3 given | ||
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On May 06 2014 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote: Thanks for the posts, but remember who else donated me posts in the hopes they'd get me off their back? BH. Don't toss a townread at me and throw posts at me because you think all of a sudden I'm townie, that should probably have been evident almost from the start of the game, though I can suppose I can forgive you if it wasn't. Oh wtf as I type this I looked and apparently prplhz was banned....? I don't give a shit that you're on my back I'm not sure you're town here but in my opinion you didn't do shit the first two days really. At least not like you did in Catastrophe which is I think the only game we've played together. I think if you or anyone takes giving of posts as alignment indicative they're dumb. HOWEVER, Since then you have been making posts and pushing I do like what you did on the BH lynch and thats when I started to question my read on you and today you've gone from "maybe I was wrong" to "holy shit town" As far as the Koshi shot I'm going to look like a genius or a donkey. Lets say Koshi was town do you feel I make that shot as only mafia like you seem to think or can I make a bad shot as town? I want to know your thoughts on Ace/VE. Like is this how Ace always plays? Have you played with him before? Is this VE thing not reminiscent of last game where he was traitor I mean just saying I'm town repeatedly. Why is Foolishness a forgone conclusion for you? Do you think its the right lynch? I mean I realize Jat/Prphlz are pushing hard on him even Palmer but you think we just like wait it out for another 15+ hours until lynch or what? The VA thing he is in the Slightly scummy. I don't think he is the lynch for today but I wouldn't put him in my town circle. Why should I know better? How do you know he was banned? What does that mean exactly? 4 posts 3 given | ||
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On May 06 2014 21:51 Palmar wrote: poofter, can you make a case on yourself to explain why you're mafia? @Palmer I'd have to say the biggest mafia thing against me would be IF Koshi was town then I shot a townie on my own basically. I also could be SUPER wrong on Foolishness seeing as I'm the only one who thinks hes town it seems. Or did you mean you need something you can like Copy paste to push a lynch on me?  @Jat why is Palmer caring and actually posting more scummy than townie to you?? That is the opposite read of what I would think. @Foolishness Stop making posts like this I'm like the only one defending you and this looks like you're giving up. On May 07 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote: WoS, it's called your bad at this game. I've officially run out of motivation and stopped caring. Your game to throw not mine. Just read the cases that have been made and hopefully you can make things work out in the end. 5 posts 3 given | ||
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On May 06 2014 03:14 austinmcc wrote: The QT doesn't really matter. I'm posting Foolishness stuff from it mainly to get people to quit talking about it. It doesn't matter if it's outed, or if we all die, or anything like that, but I think that talk about QT, and scumhunting via QT, are not as advantageous to town as making people post about actual other stuff, who has done what that is scummy, and not what might or might not be true about a QT that might or might not exist. Foolishness was added at the start of D1, before he'd done anything, this bit is true. BH added someone every night thereafter. On N1, they discussed who to add, BH decided on Sandroba. Said he added Sandroba, but was given another bite at the apple given Sandroba's dead-ness, and another person was added shortly thereafter. If true, it's an indicator that BH was not recruited on D1. As far as relevant Foolishness stuff in there:
THE END It's not been the most active QT. He was more active in it D1, early days, talked a decent bit with BH, has gone less posty recently. Unsure if weekend or sad about buddies. Generally, there was a small amount of anti-oats stuff, nothing that makes him super townie, not enough of it, and nothing where he's really trying to PUSH oats to the QT people. He was generally anti-BH yesterday, we were both confused at how BH was interpreted Cephiro's claim, at how the scenarios he was making up could ever be true (Cephiro traitor, guessed Slam and BH for mafia, was told that was incorrect and he failed to join mafia team ----> he fakeclaims cop and says one of those guys is mafia, thinking this will signal to the scumteam that he's the traitor, and will also get town to mislynch these people, stuff like that) It exists. It's not magical. I don't THINK foolishness's posts in QT point, in particular, to any alignment. I read this and felt like a lot of the stuff he was saying was pretty neutral and/or requires the knowledge of other's alignments i.e. Palmer/Caller/Ace/Prphlz to be town. I did however feel like the bolded parts stood out to me and found the point I underlined the most interesting as austin you made the big thing about how Foolishness didn't research Oats' games when the underlined part makes it seem like he did at least look through them and didn't see similarities (obviously he could fake that and just say he did to seem neutral but why not give a position) The thing is that (assuming what you posted was chronological order) He went from I'm unsure on Oats to talking about his past games and they don't match up. To me that shows a townie thought train of hmm I don't know about x better go research him. If he didn't find anything conclusive it also explains why he didn't express his views in the thread cause what good is that info? The other things I've highlighted are basically him asking the QT to post about his towniness meaning he is reading those in there as town and seems to come from a town mindset as scum he could just ask his teammates and it didn't seem like something he would do for town points. The part about him and Austin being on the same wave length regarding BH shows a mindmeld between two townier people imo. Like BH as mafia has 1 reaction and Austin and Foolish have the opposite to me that reads more townie. He also says he wants to recruit me and reads me correctly and I think that a scum foolishness could easily push on me for shooting as I did he definitely wouldn't find much resistance but the fact he reads past that makes him more townie to me. The part in Red is the scummiest part because to me the tone like was he gone for the weekend or is he not trying anymore cause 2 of his teammates went down and now hes given up. Kind of the opposite read of WoS/Palmer. I see Jat really really wants this lynch so its probably going to happen but I think Foolish is town here judging by whats in a QT that he wouldn't have known would be public at least this soon. He also has been casing people on D2 he made the case on RoL (it turned out to be wrong but I think people are allowed to be wrong and if he was right all the time that screams of TMI) He also is reading lots of other people in the QT it seems as well as in the thread. I agree he wasn't actively pushing the Oats lynch but his train of thought for Day 1 doesn't make a lot of sense unless the whole train on SNB was scum. Even then its a very weird train of thought for a scum to have. Even if their buddy was the other lynch that day why not go after someone like myself who didn't even post/vote? Why not accuse one of the towns on the wagon of being scummy? Just doesn't seem like a good scum agenda tbh maybe I think too highly of Foolishness' scum play from video mafia but to me he tends to have more try-hard scum agendas. I ask austin to look at this and tell me that what I said doesn't make sense. Where am I going wrong reading Foolish if hes scum? I agree he is given up it seems which isn't very useful for town but idk I'm just not getting that as scum give up. (The good news is if he is scum its probably an easy game because that means we have demoralized the team!) 6 posts 3 given. | ||
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On May 07 2014 07:09 justanothertownie wrote: In my experience the guys that seem to be scumhunting just a little are way more likely to be scum than the people who just flat out refuse to do anything. Also "this guy has done less than me so you can't lynch me before him!" is literally the worst defense I have ever heard. I will agree with you here the fact that he is saying that is not a high level of play I'd expect and scummy. @WoS no clue on the prphlz thing lets hope he was scum or thats no good for town. My only concern WoS about switching is that I read both Foolish and Palmer as more townie so unless we swap to Ace/Ve/Caller I'm not really sure I'm down because lets be honest if we switch off Foolish and get it wrong Jat will 100% shoot one of us and since I'm reading you more town I feel like that is not good. Although VA brings up a pretty good point about Palmer being a possible scum with Caller. @Va I wouldn't ask the question if I didn't think it needed an answer even if I think its obvious I want to see where your head is at. My issue is that I think Caller is scummy but Palmer not so much especially with how he seems to have perked up as of late. I think Caller is more likely scum than Palmer. 8 Posts 3 given | ||
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On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote: This is no joke btw. We super lynch poof if fool is town. Why you so sure Foolishness is town now? You said the same thing about Ace earlier? On May 06 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote: It doesn't matter what Foolishness' (or my) alignment is when it comes to Ace. If Foolishness is town, Ace knows this is a train wreck and doesn't care about it. Hell, let's assume I'm confused scum and will flip mafia, even that wouldn't help Ace's case, just make it look worse that he's not pushing a good lynch better. Any reason you're bringing this stuff up before you even know Foolishness alignment? Who do we lynch if Foolish flips scum like you seem to think he will? Who is the auto must lynch in this world? 9 posts 3 given. | ||
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On May 07 2014 08:46 justanothertownie wrote: Townies WILL consolidate onto Foolishness later if the alternative is the no lynch. Stay and there will be a lynch. I find it hard to believe that you are letting your top scumread from earlier (Poofter) manipulate you this way. I'm sure doing a great job of manipulating in that no one is voting with me and the majority is on my town read. JaT, I'm going to strike up posts like that doing to the hour of the time that you're awake but that looks scummy as fuck trying to push on me when I'm not even getting shit done or agreeing with the vote flop to Palmer. I'd be gung ho for Ace though. @WoS we need to get a lynch for sure no lynching is not good because if prphlz gets mod killed and was town that basically gives scum 2 free kills and town 0 information. Ceph needs to be around for this. Others are just AFK factories. I don't want to kill Palmer or Foolish but JAT might have an anerism if we don't lynch Foolish and I just can't see him going this crazy about a lynch as scum like maybe if this was in time around a possible lylo I'd be sketched out but this seems like a town Tunnel. The numbers aren't there to switch atm to Palmer because of Prphlz afk and JAT hardon for Foolish. Ace obviously isn't happening and I could be wrong on Foolish especially with his attitude at the end of day. ##Unvote ##Vote: Foolishness @JaT what happens if foolish flips scum apparently if hes town I'm the auto lynch whose the auto lynch if he is scum? I asked Palmer too. 10 posts 3 given. | ||
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##Donate: 7 posts to Justanothertownie @Slam you might need to vote change or we won't get a lynch. Going to save my last 4 posts if needed. Please If I asked you a question try to get it if you can. I will be around for a couple more hours but really need to check into my other game. I hope I'm wrong about Foolish. Will keep checking in to be sure. @Palmer so either way Foolish flips good to know I'm scum. Guess you're really sticking to that anti-town mindset 11 posts 10 given | ||
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Marv is here! Glad we didn't get a modkill, Marv when you get around to it why did prphlz push on Foolish the day we had a cop claim with a 50/50 scum? Also What in the world is Ace doing this game? What about VE? How good/bad was my shot on Koshi? Who should Jat shoot? @WoS I think we need to talk about the semi lurkers people like VE, VA, Palmer. Also the super lurkers like Caller Gumshoe Ace. I feel like there is a couple mafia in this group. I think prphlz was leaning scummy tbh outside of that group I read everyone else pretty townie. I also read Palmer as town for what its worth him and you both did the same thing where you perked up after lynches. I have a pretty strong town circle I think. If JAt shoots into a lurker prefer Ace or Caller then we can lynch someone like VE VA and I think there is a high likelyhood we hit 1-2 mafia. I think the only way that scum is in a good spot is if Austin or Jat is actually scum. Otherwise I think town wins this game, so rather than throwing dirty on people that have been playing townie this game imo we should look at the people not playing towards their wincon. @Caller/Ace/Gum/Ve/Va/Palmer If you guys had to lynch 2 of that six who would ya'll want to kill and which 2 would you not want to kill? Please rank them as well. Also if there is a scum not in those six who is it and why? The town in you guys need to step up and play if we miss a couple more times we could be at lylo so we need to know where everyone stands and figure this game out. It would be a shame to lose after hitting two mafia in a row. @Austin/WoS/Jat What is your reads on the 6? For me its Ace/CAller most scummy followed by VE. Gum did the Oats case but I would be really scared if he was hanging around a lylo so I want him to do something. Va apparently WoS has some reason why he isn't scummy so I'm kinda going with that atm. Palmer perked up just like WoS did which was very townie to me after the double hit on scum. @Ceph/Slam What are your feelings on the matter? ##Donate: 3 posts to: Palmer I think you went over. Saving the other one but I probably won't be around for most of the night going to look at my other game and at work. | ||
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On May 09 2014 01:20 Palmar wrote: YO TOWN WAVEOFSHADOW IS MAFIA PALMAR OUT Can you explain to me why a Mafia WoS sees his partners dying off and decides "I'm going to start trying harder and seem more excited about the game" he had basically the same feel in posting tone that you did where you suddenly got happier because the game was going in towns favor. He goes from sorta defeated to Alright maybe we got this! Why does ScumWoS do this? How is VE/VA/Caller more town than WoS? @Austin I don't have QT access but that instantly suspicious thing that you brought up reminds me of Catastrophe where I PMd VE during the PM phase and was hit with nothing but a wall about how he couldn't trust me. (He was traitor in that game) So when you said that it makes me actually feel like he is more Scummy. @slam/Austin/Jat/Wos/Palmer how is marv's scum game? Cause I had a pretty decent scum read on prphlz but Marv seems really town its hard to think they're the same "person" in the game cause htye seem like different alignments to me. Is marv good enough at scum to look townie like this? @Jat I think Ace/Caller are both fine shots neither has a connection to others so their flips are not as productive as someone who has said more than 2 sentences. I'm not wholly opposed to holding a shot. I will say that if I still had my shot shooting both caller and Ace would be a good day I feel like we hit a scum a large majority of the time. Caller asking everyone to role claim was really really weird to me it seems to benefit scum more than anyone else. @Caller can you explain the benefits of role claiming today? Why is it pro town and what information do you hope to gather? 1st | ||
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On May 09 2014 06:22 Caller wrote: Ace is just making some shit up because he's defending his scumbuddy see i can do it too Who is his scum buddy in your mind? Palmer? What do you think of Marv coming into the thread? Does it change how you felt on prphlz? (honestly don't even know how you feel/felt on him even if you said) + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2014 06:18 Palmar wrote: btw I'm going to sleep so I can wake up in a few hours and watch the browns fuck up the nfl draft. The Browns are the worst drafting team ever. I have two buddies who are huge fans so can't wait to see what kinda dumb stuff they do this year! 2nd | ||
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On May 09 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote: also poofter, dunno what drugs you're smoking but prplhz was mega town. He had opinions and pushed stuff and said stuff. That alone makes prp 99% town. You should check out his scumgames. The good kind of course. The part that stuck out to me was his push on Foolishness the day that Ceph came out. I just can't understand how that is townie. Austin seemed to think so too so maybe I'm just missing it but he seemed to not care at all like he already knew the info. Can you explain why that push was townie? He also was tunneling Foolish the day Oats got lynched. Thats my hold up with him/you because your posts have all seemed townie but he was off to me. I haven't seen his or your scum games though so I can speak to neither and people talk about you being really good so if he was playing bad scum you could be playing good scum. Also What do you make of Ace's interaction with Palmer? and Caller's "everyone mass claim"? I wish we could shoot both of them tbh. I feel like Ace is trying to buddy Palmer after pushing him for days and Caller says not a lot for the whole game then says "hey can a bunch of roles out that would be nice" Can some of the quite people please seem town you can't all be scum? Thanks 3rd. | ||
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@austin so the thing on VE that is hard for those of us not in the QT is that is all we have to go off whats posted in the thread. Can you maybe read Ve's filter from just in game and tell me what part makes him town? Like look at it from an outside perspective. I realize I'm using some of the QT stuff and its kinda compounding/confirming what I'm reading in thread maybe I just have confirmation bias. I'll do the same and see where I end up. @Slam I realize this could easily be wasted but please save this in case we need to do some vote changes or what have you. ##Donate: 2 posts to Alakaslam | ||
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@ Austin so we get you like VE is town who is the better lynch today? @VA Ve's alignment is really important if he is scum he has connections to people his pushes on Caller/Palmer day 1 as well as his involvement in the QT. I think someone like Caller/Ace are better shots Ace has like a small connection to Palmer for pushing him for 4 days and then suddenly he has Dota so they're friends. I will say his posting today has seemed for the first time all game townie. 5 posts 2 given | ||
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@VE So who else is with marv/prphlz? Which of the lurkers do you find the most scummy? 6 posts 2 given | ||
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On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote: Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far. I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh? A pipe dream I'm afraid. Although Ace seems to have small fragments of content today Caller just seems weirder and gumshoe might as well be a deaf mute. I however like to look at the wider picture we still have almost a full day to look into everyone. Tunneling is a great way to lose a game as town and convince yourself someone that is town is actually mafia ::cough:: Jat and Foolish ::cough:: I think a wide strokes approach is good at this point. Maybe not someone necessarily connected with Marv/prphlz but just in general someone scummy like a number 2 if for whatever reason Marv didn't pan out. I agree that prphlz looks scummy in his posts and is getting town read off one situation that does seem townie. I am slightly scared of Marv becuase he looks focused on finding scum seems like hes read up on things which reads townie to me but I've heard that he is very good. Why should he be reading you town VE you keep saying you're confirmed and shit what makes you so damn town cause honestly I'm not convinced from what you've said in the thread and your posts in the QT that austin has linked look kinda like our small interaction in Catastrophe pm where you kinda acted paranoid and blew me off but wanted to get a couple reads out of me demanding them. 7 posts 2 given | ||
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On May 09 2014 13:04 VisceraEyes wrote: In Catastrophe I was a traitor. I had no inside knowledge of the scumteam, and had no say over the kills. Comparing that game and this game, you'd have to factor that in and understand that it makes me town in this game. I had a TOWNIE perspective in Catastrophe. Look at BH, his first instinct in the game, as traitor, was to form a town circle. The exact same response he'd have as if he were a townie. The difference of course is that the traitor could be recruited in this game and not in Catastrophe, but for the sake of argument BH played this game with a townie perspective too. Trust me dude. Don't believe what you hear. This is my town-play. I get "I'm not impressed" literally /all/ the time. You're not hurting my feelings bro. @VE So you're saying that as traitor you actually want to play more townie? I really don't understand this logic I mean yes you want to appear town and work the game out but my question is why the town circle thing as traitor? Like for your own benefit? What makes Marv the correct lynch today? I mean aside from he is reading you wrong what if he is just reading you wrong? @Austin thanks for pointing that out after rereading it I can see that as being more townie of him to do my only issue is that was day 1/night 1 since then I haven't seem the same gusto just a whole bunch of "I'm town I'm town marv misreads me as mafia" I need to reread tomorrow on this. @Palmer I'm surprised this is the first time you've called me scum today I thought after yesterday it was super clear that I was the lynch (supposedly based on Foolishness' flip but I think you stated town or mafia I was still mafia). What took you so long to call me mafia today? @marv what made you change your mind on me? Is it because I said I thought you might be scummy based on your predecessor? Like aren't you above that kind of "this guy called me mafia so he is mafia" level of play? What do you think that the moment you call me not town Palmer hops up to agree with you? @Jat where you at man? What do you think about hte VE/Marv/WoS thing going on, I feel like there is at least one mafia in there (probably not WoS) or a scum team of like some combination of Ace/Caller/VA/gum is just sitting back and laughing today and coasting to an easy victory. With that point in mind I'd like to hear from VE/Marv/WoS who should Jat shoot today? Should he shoot? I'll go first. I think Caller is my preferred shot because of his lack of interest in the game/ability to figure it out. Ace being a close second because of the way he has interacted with Palmer in that He is scum he is scum he is scum then nvm he gave me Dota shit he must be town. Gumshoe would be a kill you make instead of the mod at this point. 8 posts 2 given | ||
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On May 09 2014 19:07 marvellosity wrote: I have stated repeatedly and firmly, with reasoning, who jat should be shooting, so the fact you're asking me this question is, again, ridiculous. Your reads may have changed so just curious where you stood. Lots of people have talked since then and made more connections I think if your read stayd in the same place all day it would be ridiculous especially with a decent amount of discussion today. I will say you do seem more invested in the game than prphlz was. If you argument that prphlz would be too much of a wuss as mafia to not play the game like that its fine if others can corroborate it. Player replacing is super fucked up for me because it never happens in video mafia ever so it makes me really paranoid when my read switches on someone its because of the player. @JaT I agree that austin is clearly still town hero here he is way too passionate about what he thinks and clearly doesn't care about how it makes him look. I feel like on WoS if he was mafia he wouldn't be putting in the kind of effort he did starting day 2/3 he would have been doing it from the beginning. He seemed honestly uninterested the only reason I see this being the case is if he thought his mafia team was going to get steamrolled which is hard to imagine with lots of good players in this game. So I actually think its a really good reason to town read someone. I think of VE/Marv/WoS ... WoS is the least likely to be mafia. I'm headed to bed leave your questions for me if you have them and pray lurkers figure out how to use their keyboards. 9 posts 2 given. | ||
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On May 09 2014 23:24 VisceraEyes wrote: No, I'm saying my viewpoint was that of a townie. Obviously I was /playing/ with the objective of winning for scum, but the way I saw the game in that game as compared with this game would be that of either a townie or traitor. And BH flipped traitor, so unless you think I'm a second traitor then I can only be townie playing with no information and no influence over night-kills. Apples to apples style. The town-circle thing as traitor A) makes him look really townie if they work things out and B) allowed BH to scan for potential teammates. My point was that a few games ago BH was a similarly a recruiting mason thingy and played in a similar way to the way he played this game, a game where he was aligned with scum and had similar powers to when he was aligned with town. Tell me everything you think about marv/prplhz and then vote for him plz because he's the lynch today. I understand the traitor thing a bit more now but its not really relevant as we need to get a lynch for some reason I thought it was tomorrow. So Prphlz to me seemed scummy I asked marv when he first joined to address some posts (I can look it up but its in mine and his filter and I want to get my thoughts out since we don't have a lot of time) He did answer them fairly well it seemed townie. Prphlz to me seemed mafia and Marv seemed more town until he made a couple of derogatory posts at the end. like his one that says "nice" and the whole list of town thing. This post: On May 10 2014 05:03 marvellosity wrote: marv definitely the best lynch. Then you can also lynch my scumbuddies VE and Ace. List of Clever Townies you should Listen to when I Die: If Marv flips scum I'd say almost 80% chance one of those is actually mafia probably Ace. I do that shit all the time as scum. Like make a frustrated post when you're going down to try to WiFOM a partner. I don't think this comes from a townie perspective. @WoS/Austin Why is lurkshoe better than Marv today? I mean in my head its something the mod will take care of for us. Unlike Ace and Caller who are still question marks I think good shot JAT Gumshoe might just get replaced or mod killed. Seems like a waste of a lynch. For me town is Austin/Jat/WoS/VE/Palmer ^^Probably 1 in there is scum just cause otherwise its all lurkers Scum:Hopefulyl Caller/Ace/VA/gum (maybe he will get mod killed?) Marv for me was looking town with his entrance but I really feel like the Vote he did on VE kinda saying he was scum for calling him scum + the WiFOM action of VE/ACE I quoted don't seem townie to me. I already suspected Prphlz this replacement shit is pretty lame. I don't like Marv saying prphlz isn't capable of making that kind of play as scum like he is putting him down or something. I have a feeling most of the people in this game are capable of making a number of plays as either alignment and the fact he is using it to defend himself doesn't sit right to me, Can anyone else back up Marv's claim about prphlz? ##Vote:: Marvellosity I'm around until end of cycle. @Marv Why are we making a mistake voting you over x? And who is X? I know you have given your reads before and I know you think its VE/Ace but which one is better/more likely to be scum? Do you think Jat's shot hit? I might be repeating questions but I think its a good idea to get people's ideas of what is going on. ##Donate: 3 posts to Marvellosity I think Jat said you were running low please don't waste them on things like your "nice" post. @VA why am I a better lynch than Marv/Gum other wagons? If you knew I was town where would your vote be tonight? 10 posts 2 given | ||
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On May 10 2014 09:41 justanothertownie wrote: I agree that gumshoe is not the lynch. I really hope he just gets modkilled. Yeah, marv is running out of posts if I counted it correctly he was 2 posts over his limit before you donated so he should have 1 left now. You can count yourself if you look into his filter (3 posts were made in the night). If you want to verify his prplhz read yourself go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2 Open the prplhz spoiler and you see all his games on this site. Click on them to get to his filter there. Austin, gumshoe might be modkilled. Lynch could be a waste. Fancy a switch to Ace maybe? I'll read this on lunch be back in about 45 minutes to an hour I'll have my phone on and try to check in while I'm eating. I agree gum might be modkilled this is an oddity. Funny you said Ace I think today is the first day I thought he might actually be town as he seemed to start trying and caring. The weird thing with him is his interaction with Palmer recently has seemed.. off. I can't really explain it. 12 posts made 5 given | ||
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On May 10 2014 10:02 Palmar wrote: His 12 hours to do something bit was never going to end up with him changing his mind on confirmed town koshi. It was awful play and he should've known it. We lynch poofter. So you disagree with a shot I took what 3 days ago. Have I done anything scummy since then? If so what? Why myself over marv/ace/gum? I find it really really weird you said "not marv today" what is that about? Like why not yet when is the right time? @WoS can you tell me again why you don't agree with the Marv lynch? I would feel comfortable on him ace/gum. I liked what VE had to say today so he has moved up to my town Ace also today for the first time looks town. Marv for me started very town but I didn't like what he did at the end of the day and VE is seeming super town to me and he seems convinced on this marv lynch. We need to lynch so I'm willing to move around but I think me VE are right here. 13 posts given 5 | ||
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On May 10 2014 11:11 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, what? What's happening right now is unacceptable... I think we might be right on 1 or 2 of the wagons and scum is going for a ML we need to consolidate. I'm down for Marv/Ace. Not lynching would be no good. Austin is drunk people afk. We're fucked. I've never seen a no lynch before in forums. 14 posts 5 given | ||
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On May 10 2014 11:54 justanothertownie wrote: Oh come on people. Fine if we consolidate this way - do it! ##Unvote ##Vote: gumshoe NOW SWITCH. ##Vote: Gumshoe Doing god's work here boys.... I mean mods work. I still think Marv is a better lynch. | ||
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On May 10 2014 11:57 WaveofShadow wrote: Gumshoe is gonna be modkilled so in theory I'd switch to anyone but marv but I don't think it matters. We're NO-FLIPPIN TONIGHT BOYOS I think marv was the right lynch and the scum just bought a misslynch well played scum. We kill marv tomorrow. | ||
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Those last second CFD's are intense and getting a no lynch feels like I got left cold and dry. Off work probably going to drink and play video mafia to cool my sorrows. I don't understand how the Marv lynch was so hard. I'm rescinding my town read on Palmer for the bullshit he pulled not even voting a lynch candidate. Scum team: Marv/Gum/Palmer/Ace <<<<<<<there is 3 in there almost always. This is my favorite austin btw:+ Show Spoiler + On May 10 2014 12:22 austinmcc wrote: Nobody rwety town wi. wr wib. Fuckbscum we win all is well. Marc actually scmy will try lake real post when can type but sang lynxg for today. Gumshie was lynch today Sry gumshie, but when you afk you come back whenever, not just hour befoeblynxgn. | ||
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On May 10 2014 17:24 Alakaslam wrote: Nobody gave me a post and I was here the whole time to consolidate. -_- Well. I am not sure it would even have mattered. I am headed to the smash forum, I need to thank someone... I was wondering I thought I counted that I gave you enough for a vote switch but apparentely I'm shitty at math I also assumed you'd just say fuck it and switch with just a vote. @JaT why do you automatically assume your shot on Caller was bad? @austin I assume you're more sober now so ##Donate: 2 posts to Austin I'm gonna be playing poker all night so I won't even be around after about an hour. I think the lynch tomorrow is Gum/Marv order is irrelevant that was scum purposedly not wanting a lynch through on two buddies I imagine. Palmer fucking off and voting Ace and not consolidating is really really sketchy he is out of the town. WoS got moved out of town for not voting on Marv yesterday although he was on gumshoe if I was partners with Marv I'd move on gumshoe too and try to protect him and I believe that Marv and gum are scum 80% of the time +. Town: Tehpoofter Slam Austin Jat VE Questions: WoS Palmer VA Mafia: Marv Gum Ace | ||
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On May 12 2014 01:54 justanothertownie wrote: So, first of all your scumteam makes no sense. Marv is most definitely not scum with Ace. He bullied me really hard to shoot Ace so as long as he wasn't 100 % convinced I am fakeclaiming this means they are not on the same scumteam. He wouldn't even get any towncred for it due to the noflip. Why is WoS scummy for not voting marv? Why am I NOT scummy for doing the same? This isn't the first time someone is complaining about how hard it was to get marv lynched but be honest here - does that mean he is more likely scum when the people who refused to lynch him were basically WoS, austin and me? 2 of those are in your townlist one in unknown. I have the horrible feeling gumshoe might be town and literally the worst player imaginable. If that is the case we are totally fucked (thanks gumshoe!) so I am wondering if this is not the perfect time to lynch him regardless for policy reasons. Hm... Gumshoe, if you are town you better go into try hard mode today and posting some weak shit about Vayne is NOT try hard mode. I want your reads about every other player in the game WITH reasoning. As I said before I will just assume that Wave is town for the rest of the game. If he is scum and pulled that conceding shit etc. then I hope he is proud about winning this way. If he is town and annoyed that is perfectly understandable. WoS, please don't just vote gumshoe and peace out. At least try to win this game with me. I will go over all the lynches again later and see if I find something. So I will concede that Marv and Ace as scum is unlikely I still feel like yesterday was scum trying really hard to save marv with a move ANYWHERE else. It makes me think that either gum is a poor townie who has played against his win con minus posting on Oats or he was a bus of a weak member who they can gain credibility off of. Jat I feel like you've been wrong town all game thats why you didn't move down over WoS. I feel your passion in your tone you REALLY thought Fool was mafia you also really read prphlz/marv as town for AGREEING with you on that Foolishness lynch. You also scum read me for disagreeing with you on the shot on Koshi. So to me you've just been wrong all game and continue to be wrong. WoS on the other hand could have fooled me with his tone read about perking up after the scum got lynched maybe because I was thinking along the same lines that alright we are gonna win this! he was excited too but it could have just been scum motivation to step it up after some partners got caught. I'm about to head to lunch and am at work but I think for now going to fully catch up afte | ||
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On May 12 2014 08:55 VayneAuthority wrote: I think poofter is our best bet, his shot still doesnt sit well with me at all. my second choice is gumshoe if people still up for that. ##unvote ##vote:Tehpoofter So after what 4-5 days your best scum read at this point is "this one dude shot someone who looked town to me"? What do you think of Marv this game? What about Ace? | ||
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On May 12 2014 09:03 marvellosity wrote: Also, you aint lazy, go look at prplhz mafiagames, and stop with this bullshit "i need to see if this is what townmarv would do". Who gives a shit what i'd do, look at his blasted scumgames and come back and recognise it is blatantly not prplhz's mafia play. And then come back and realise that when i replaced in i put a shit-tonne of effort into the game (whether my results were correct or not). I know this wasn't directed at me but how do you do this easily? Like is there a list or something? I have tomorrow off so I should have time to read up but don't want to waste time looking through the games under the mafia list to see if prphlz was in them then see if he was town. To answer your question from earlier about VE/you and why I think you're the scummier one. It is actually for something austin quoted from the QT and has to do with a video mafia read. So VEtown on video mafia will be sorta in your face and not afraid to call someone out or call them a dick or w.e. for not doing something he thinks they should. He is verbose and open. Reading some of the quotes austin posted from the QT changed my mind (because if you'll recall I was actually pushing more heavily on VE than you at the time) I'll link them but I don't expect others to have the same meta read on VE unless they've seen him on video before but: + Show Spoiler + On May 09 2014 12:24 austinmcc wrote: 1 hour later VE responds Posts today where he's not quite sure about me, maybe ARE YOU FUCKING SCUM AUSTIN? Make sure to show nested quotes as I didn't want to just copy paste but the first 2 I initially read as more of a scummy thing like that from Catastrophe but on 2nd read I see the line about it being suspicious and him wanting to read it as more townie because as scum he would put in the suspicious line but leave out the reading. The third one was exactly how I felt about the Oats lynch. I could have shot him the day I shot Koshi but I wanted to see his flip because it gave town a lot of information so the fact he was thinking the same way as me that who you shoot/lynch is an important distinction is more townie. The last two are the ones that rely on my video mafia read. The bolded part plus the last line that got unquoted and I'm not sure how to fix are both things I could see him saying as town in those games and I actually read them in his voice. I imagined him pulling his ecig out of his mouth and puffing right before the first one and getting closer to the camera. If you're town marv go back and read my short filters like you suggested I think you will come back realizing I'm town here. JAt you should do so as well they aren't big filters as I'm low volume and the post count doesn't really effect me in the slightest. Now onto todays lynches. So I'm going to hold off on voting Marv until I've read some of those prphlz scum games and see what they show up. So assuming its not Marv, Ace seems like a good bet or potentially VA/Gum. VA moved down on my list after that bullshit vote he made on me today off something that happened 2 days ago... if I'm scum VA why not push it then?? I know you had Jats backing at the time. @WoS say we knew gumshoe was green who would be your 2nd choice for scum? @VE/Slam How many mafia should be left? Is it like video mafia VE so number of players divided by 4? Assuming its like that we would have started with 5 on the cusp of 6 so I guess with trator that probably means 6. So 2 confirmed dead, I think between Koshi/Yamato/Caller we would have to be pretty unlucky not to have hit 1 mafia. This brings us to 2-3 left. For me 3 is more realistic and I want to play safe. So I feel like the lynch was controlled yesterday and some people didn't/werent concerned about getting a lynch. At this point they would need to have some sleeps to be successful if they have 3 out of the suspicious bunch. Myself/JaT Austin Slam VE were all still alive. vs something like Marv/VA/Ace/gum/Palmer/WoS <<<I feel like the 3 are in there with WoS being conditional on gum's alignment if gum is scum WoS is back in the village if he is town hes probably my number 1. He has been all about consolidating but yesterday wanted instead to sit on the lurker with austin which would be a great move to deflect from a teammate like marv. Blah I need to just figure out where I can read prphlz because like 70% of my reads revolve around marv and how I think we missed and if I'm wrong I'm just being a dope about half of these. | ||
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WoS could be scum with Marv is scum team especially if gum was just straight afk and not just afk in the thread. Town Circle: Me Jat VE Slam. <<<would not lynch. | ||
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On May 12 2014 11:38 justanothertownie wrote: I am lazy enough not to do that before caring about rereading some stuff that happened this game when I could just read you by your play if you were trying to lead this town... POOFTER, I am only going to repeat myself once: Thanks JAT I missed this earlier. I have homework now! @Jat do you think Marv is trying to currently lead town in a townie fashion? I feel like the distinction between Ace and Gum here could be pertinent. Also did you see my guess on number of scum left? You think its how many? | ||
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So basically I said fuck it and haven't even looked at this page in days. Caught up now and seeing that we're about to lynch a town so this sucks/exciting I've never been mislynched on forums yet and don't plan on it. I hope people are alive to get an actual lynch though. So I'm going to spend 1 maybe 2 posts on defending myself before trying to figure out who the actual mafia is. First I'm town vigi and I shot Koshi which seems to be the biggest thing people are hung up on me for. So if you all remember the first actual day of this game I was out of town and wasn't here at all for the game and almost got replaced I just happened to log on right after I got home and stopped myself from getting replaced and the post that was up at the time was who had been lynched. I looked at the wagons and the vote count before even reading a single other word of the game. So I had a unique view of day 1 knowing what was going to happen. So reading through I became VERY suspicious of anyone who was pushing for the SnB lynch at the end of the day I made a large post where I FoS Koshi, Foolish (two main wagon leaders of the push) Oats (the opposing wagon) Slam (slam made that rando shot on yamato):+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 20:48 Tehpoofter wrote: So this game started good to know. Been catching up all day. So I'm going to say I came into reading the thread during the night knowing S&B's alignment I didn't read a word before looking at the day post. Where I'm at so far: In the red corner we have! Koshi Foolishness Oats Alakaslam (reads to come on these in later posts) Light Reds: WoS WoS - This is an associative read and is based on the fact I strongly feel Koshi to be scum. When Koshi gave his big list of everyone in town he said that WoS "town cuz good posts" WoS didn't respond to this but when prphlz said that he was in his "trying" list he said "I'm not even sure I could consider my activity... "trying""+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol I'm not even sure I could consider my activity so after 'trying.' snb not scum foolishness nice meta evidence from a year ago when SnB literally JUST played a really solid town game where he explains himself in paragraphs like you said. Dunno who I wanna vote. Getting weird feels from VE ---- mebbe because I'm not used to him actually trying lately? BH has actually decided to play this game which is non-indicative but his aggressive ego push on SnB is a style he tends to use more often as scum than town. Also his 'non-care' games lately have been more from town though obvs he likes to change stuff up Dunno My posting kinda shit so far Why not point it out on Koshi's list too? he also soft defends Koshi with geript, He also said my particular favorite line to say when I'm scum "Man I wish I were scum this game" + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice. Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm Also should look at vote analysis Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8 I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA) Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame Its light red because if I'm wrong on Koshi I think WoS stuff can isn't as bad like I did like most of his posts those just stood out to me as odd. In the green corner we have! austin Austin is in a land of his own in town aside from Tehpoofter he's my topest town! He was actively trying to push against the ML on S&B he was asking lots and lots of questions and is addressing almost everyone in the thread. He was also doing so in a small amount of posts after reading day 1 I thought to myself "Wow how did austin not cap on posts" Then i looked at his filter and he made 19 posts and gave 6 away. To me he felt like the strongest presence in the game but he didn't even make the full posts allotted to him he gave away 1/5th of them. Basically he said a lot in few words which I think is very townie to do scum say little with a lot of words imo. Caller The town reads fall off from here but I think what Caller did (once I got to the part that the nuke was fake) was that he started discussion HELLA early in a gmae with limited postings this was super pro town in my opinion. I think mafia would loved to have rued in the chaos and wasted posts of a game starting he also didn't endanger town and even said that the nuke wasn't real before it hit and Palmer had done the anti-town thing he was claiming. MafiaCaller would have waited until after Palmer did whatever anti-town thing he was going to do (assuming in this case of course Palmer is town) then say "it was just fake bro calm down" instead to me it read kinda like "ok lets not let things get out of hand here I just wanted people to talk" Odin His first post was exactly what I was thinking in my read through. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 14:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: So you're giving up your "if I'm town Palmar is scum" heuristic geript? These people are a lighter green Ceph Palmer Ace Ceph - Made a big post at the start of the day instead of the end he also seemed far more confident than he did in cell mafia as scum to me, this isn't enough for a solid read though. Palmer - His reaction to be a big baby and hold town hostage seems more town than mafia to me but I have a hard time or reading him as mafia. I do however think that as scum Palmer might give up and do the same thing but I feel like he would have screwed with town more. Ace - He called out Foolishness on his weak meta case against SnB and I felt had a townie mindset on the Caller/Palmer situation I think he is wrong on Palmer but he did try to push his lynch on Palmer which is a townie thing. My reason for not putting him higher is that he replied to the post about him not talking about NBA/posting gifs by posting a gif which could be a joke or mafia being like "shit I better give out my town tell thanks for reminding me" So that was the main thing I felt people found scummy about me I will look over other points of if you guys have questions please ask. Other evidence I'm town aside from the fact that I've been trying to figure out the game, talk with everyone, ask questions and find scum. IF you look at my posts they're almost all about who I think is scummy or townie. Also when I was rereading prphlz (before I got salty) I realized his night post where he broke down the votes that went onto Oats I was the one that pushed Oats to majority meaning as we now know Oats as scum was not able to shoot as he had majority so if he saw the wagon swinging I basically saved a town from getting shot. I really don't want to waste anymore time looking at myself and want to actually play and find the last mafia. I will however take questions of course but the case on me is basically the shot and I think my thought process was pretty good (maybe flawed conclusion) but from my perspective I felt the shot was good. 1st post. | ||
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VE is still town for me that tell I have on him from the way he spoke basically being in your face. He also has woken up and attempted to solve the game. (I made a bigger point on this the other day) JAT again his push on foolishness was really wrong but really pationate. As far as I'm concerned these are my 3 lock towns that I wouldn't even consider until final 3. WoS is slightly below these guys but still town to me. The only real point I have against him is that he is kinda weird on hte gumshoe issue. I think gumshoe's flip could tell us a lot about WoS. The three scummy people: I feel like a team would be Palmer/Va as my most likely pair. Palmer has been playing really weird this game and his interactions with Ace seem like distancing more than trying to push lynches on each other. He also tried to justify himself as confirmed based on either way that I flip: On May 15 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote: ##vote tehpoofter I'm confirmed town if he flips mafia as I've been wanting to kill him since the koshi shot. I'm confirmed town if he flips town for voting VA first today and trying to avoid a bad lynch. VA has been flowing under this guise of a blue claim the whole game. I'm not even sure what it is he has exactly claimed but its been bogus. He really doesn't push anything just hopes in and casts a vote and doesnt push for a lynch of defend who he isn't voting or seem invested at all. Gumshoe being the third if he combined all his posts he still probably wouldn't be over the day 1 post limit. He had that huge case on Oats in the beginning but the way he entered the thread on Marv's day was really scummy just before lynch as if to only not get mod killed. I think that Palmer/Gum are likely and so is VA/Gum. I really think that math wise 6-2 makes the most sense. From my point of view unless WoS is somehow mafia (I think unlikely) This game is auto we have 3 lynches and a sleep I know I'm town so lynch into Va/Palmer/Gum and town wins. Obviously this is assuming my town reads are all correct but I feel pretty sure about them and that means 3 night kills between then and now. I really can't decide between VA/Palmer/Gum who is most likely to be on a team as they could all be together. I'm going to say for post game bragging the team was most likely Oats, BH, Caller, Ace, VA, Palmer. ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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On May 16 2014 07:03 justanothertownie wrote: Ok. The more important part - as you obviously realize - is who you think the remaining scum are and why. If you are town you are in a unique position right now. Yep I addressed it below but this is basically a won game if my Town reads are correct. Lynch Va/Palmer/Gum in any order. JAT Can you tell me why you're voting me like I really need to not get lynched I'm town and I'm worried there isn't enough people around. WE are at 8 so I would prefer not to waste our sleep if we need it later. @Marv/VE What team do you think is more like Va/Palmer? Palmer/Gum? VA/gum? Or am I bad at math and there should be 3 mafia? Also side note if you want to not lynch town you should vote for someone else. I think VA is most likely to flip scum followed by Palmer. | ||
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On May 16 2014 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I'm going to vote gumshoe or you, poof. I'm not voting VA today. Actually the Koshi shot is kinda a trivial part of why I think you're mafia. I kinda explained how i felt the evolution of your reads on me/ace/VE weren't natural, how you never went for Ace even though I'd made scum-cases on two of your scumtargets (ace/VE) and yet you called me mafia. I find that hard to get over. Even though I don't think anything you've written is massively townie just now, I'm tempted just to kill gumshoe after all, even though I've been hardpushing your lynch. The thing is, right, I find it practically impossible that you and gumshoe are both town, and therefore the push on Vayne feels... not correct to me. Dunno how other people feel but I could maybe vote gumshoe after all. Or I could leave my vote on poofter. What does everyone else think? Fair enough I know that other people had addressed the shot. The day you subbed in I had VE/prphlz/Ace as my biggest scum reads I think (I might be getting my days mixed up) I was calling for one of Caller/Ace to get shot that day but it was the first day he actually played which was... odd. I wasn't sure what to make of it but I felt he was a good shot for Jat so saying I wasn't pushing against him is false. VE came out with somtehing that I explained in a previous post that made me think he was really townie and that left me to you and I really thought that the way the no lynch day happened it looked like you were very much likely to be scum BUT not with Ace. Since Ace flipped scum yesterday that makes you town to me. Can you explain exactly what was unnatural I'd like to clear that up because as far as I'm concerned if we lynch Gum/Va/Palmer in any order I don't see us losing the game. Basically I just need everyone to read me as town and its auto (only hang up would be WoS) Like if you're only lynching between me and gum is it! I know I'm town and as I detailed earlier he is likely to be with the others as neither voted him the day that we were CFD off Marv and onto Gum. OMG I just looked at this. The day we went onto gum the only ones not voting were Slam (out of posts) Marv, Ace confirmed scum, gum for obvious reasons, VA/Palmer. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2014 12:01 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count: Ace (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - Marvellosity (1) - Palmar (1) - Alakaslam gumshoe (5) - WaveofShadow, austinmcc, justanothertownie, tehpoofter, VisceraEyes tehpoofter (2) - Vayneauthority, Palmar vayneauthority (1) - gumshoe Day ends in . There are 11 players alive, and it takes 6 to lynch. | ||
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On May 16 2014 07:47 justanothertownie wrote: I am also down to lynch scumshoe. I don't know his scumgame but if it also looks like this he can die in a fire as far as I am concerned. At least poofter is playing the game again. But as you said poofter didn't address the real problems here. It is not the shot on koshi. Banks. Look at marvs accusation, look at what we discussed recently. A main point for me is your behaviour towards Ace. You listed him as scumread but never pushed him. You did not vote him despite me pushing him 2 days ago but you DID vote gumshoe who had not returned prior to that. People who list mafia as secondary scumreads are very often mafia themselves. I understand JAT and part of it is reputation for me. I honestly thought that ACE would be better at mafia than he was. Like he wrote that manafesto. I was expecting if Ace was mafia some sort of big play or like at least more than just lurk until you get lynched mafia. So I did think he was scum but in my head I'm thinking "he is too good for this right?" Also the only day where I didn't want to lynch him was the day we NL and thats because I was tunnelling hard on Marv. I was behind VE and thought they were unlikely together. I was however that day saying he would be a good shot along with CAller.... JAt Look at my post on the votes on the no lynch day. Look at who is voting what and more importantly WHO ISNT VOTING VA/Palmer..... Va lurks like all day and then suddenly just comes in and adds his two cents when I show up and start actually playing as town!!! He is scared his misslynch is falling through. Boys I think we got em. We lynch gum/VA/Palmer any order and I don't see how town loses this one! | ||
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On May 16 2014 07:53 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, probably... I mean I don't want to lose to scum gumshoe if he is playing this way. That would kinda suck. But poofter you will have to be convincing if you want to make a switch happen today. And it won't be on VA it seems. Like in my mind they could all be scum. God if we don't make a switch then were dead if its all three btw. If its VA/Palmer/Gum then we lose if I'm lynched. That last vote post scared me when I looked at it. Like palmer has the time thing but why does VA not switch? I agree VA not happeneing today despite claiming blue like 9 days ago and not really claiming what it is (unless I missed it) is still alive and kicking and hasnt done anything. I'll vote gumshoe of course as he is of the 3. If you lynch me you are lynching town. ##Vote Gumshoe | ||
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On May 16 2014 07:57 marvellosity wrote: because I made cases on both your other scumreads and you ended up voting for me and not for Ace. You basically totally ignored the Ace thing. It looks terrible. Like, you didn't explore the option that I was town and ace was mafia on that day, even though I was pushing Ace quite hard - I got nothing from you even though Ace was one of your scumsuspects. Bleh. Although Vayne forcing a nolynch on gumshoe is shit. Palmar is excused because the gumshoe wagon happened at like 4am his time or something. V v tempting to lynch gumshoe simply because you're at least trying though.Would like input from others. I agree but I'm going to have my reads change and as I felt VE was someone I had come around on I was looking at his reads and in my head if I think VE is town and he thinks marv is scummy and marv thinks these other two people are scummy maybe I'm wrong abotu Ace too because up until that day I had VE As scummy. So I don't understand how thats not a logical process of thought. PLUS we had a vote on you CFD away at the last second to a no lynch. Like that is really really shady. When Ace flips mafia that changes things though and you were right on him VE was wrong on you and I was right the first time on Ace. Like If I get lynched and town loses because of that I'll be upset because I feel like that logic train makes sense to me. What can I clarify further? I'll go find the posts where I was telling Jat that ACe was a good shot. | ||
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On May 16 2014 08:07 justanothertownie wrote: Meh, the other guy who repeated what I said was scum... I am torn on this. I want to believe you and tbh there are some things that point slightly towards town here (the timing of your vote on oats for example) but I also know that you are good at defending yourself from lynches. Palmar and Vayne both on your wagon doesn't feel good though. Hm... Who am I mafia with here? Like the only team that would remotely make sense in my mind would be me and gumshoe. So lets lynch him first and if we lynch VA/Palmer and we get a town flip from either then I should be reevaluated but I think they could ALL THREE BE MAFIA look at that marv no lynch day. Like people fucking off and not voting on someone who posted like gumshoe did. I've done more to figure out the game than any of those four by far. VA does nothing, gumshoe posts maybe 20 times. Palmer plays like a troll pushes on ace but doesnt sits on wagons instead of securing a lynch. Like I've been talking to people interacting pushing lynches (correctly on Oats) trying to solve the game. Like my defense is good cause I'm town. That vote on oats when I pushed him from no shoot to shoot you really want to lynch the guy that did that? I could have literally saved a townies life with my vote! I agree talk to others and stuff but I think this game is won if we lynch VA/Palmer/Gum if you guys end up misslynching me then just pray there aren't three cause thats gg. Even sleep is better than lynching me in that case although I relaly would hate to waste it this early. if we need it later. | ||
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On May 16 2014 08:34 Palmar wrote: To be clear my vote on marv was a troll vote, both of them. I think it was obvious when I backed off and picked any other lynch closer to the deadline. I'm perfectly fine with killing gumshoe, thank you based austinmcc ##vote gumshoe Why didnt you switch to Ace yesterday? | ||
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On May 08 2014 07:59 Tehpoofter wrote: If Ace actually nuked Caller (doesn't seem likely since mod posted since that without clarifying) that would be the most useful thing he's done all game. Man if Ace and Caller are both scum the "Fake a nuke" scum meta would be so real. Marv is here! Glad we didn't get a modkill, Marv when you get around to it why did prphlz push on Foolish the day we had a cop claim with a 50/50 scum? Also What in the world is Ace doing this game? What about VE? How good/bad was my shot on Koshi? Who should Jat shoot? @WoS I think we need to talk about the semi lurkers people like VE, VA, Palmer. Also the super lurkers like Caller Gumshoe Ace. I feel like there is a couple mafia in this group. I think prphlz was leaning scummy tbh outside of that group I read everyone else pretty townie. I also read Palmer as town for what its worth him and you both did the same thing where you perked up after lynches. I have a pretty strong town circle I think. If JAt shoots into a lurker prefer Ace or Caller then we can lynch someone like VE VA and I think there is a high likelyhood we hit 1-2 mafia. I think the only way that scum is in a good spot is if Austin or Jat is actually scum. Otherwise I think town wins this game, so rather than throwing dirty on people that have been playing townie this game imo we should look at the people not playing towards their wincon. . On May 09 2014 09:32 Tehpoofter wrote: Can you explain to me why a Mafia WoS sees his partners dying off and decides "I'm going to start trying harder and seem more excited about the game" he had basically the same feel in posting tone that you did where you suddenly got happier because the game was going in towns favor. He goes from sorta defeated to Alright maybe we got this! Why does ScumWoS do this? How is VE/VA/Caller more town than WoS? @Austin I don't have QT access but that instantly suspicious thing that you brought up reminds me of Catastrophe where I PMd VE during the PM phase and was hit with nothing but a wall about how he couldn't trust me. (He was traitor in that game) So when you said that it makes me actually feel like he is more Scummy. @slam/Austin/Jat/Wos/Palmer how is marv's scum game? Cause I had a pretty decent scum read on prphlz but Marv seems really town its hard to think they're the same "person" in the game cause htye seem like different alignments to me. Is marv good enough at scum to look townie like this? @Jat I think Ace/Caller are both fine shots neither has a connection to others so their flips are not as productive as someone who has said more than 2 sentences. I'm not wholly opposed to holding a shot. I will say that if I still had my shot shooting both caller and Ace would be a good day I feel like we hit a scum a large majority of the time. Caller asking everyone to role claim was really really weird to me it seems to benefit scum more than anyone else. @Caller can you explain the benefits of role claiming today? Why is it pro town and what information do you hope to gather? 1st On May 09 2014 09:50 Tehpoofter wrote: The good kind of course. The part that stuck out to me was his push on Foolishness the day that Ceph came out. I just can't understand how that is townie. Austin seemed to think so too so maybe I'm just missing it but he seemed to not care at all like he already knew the info. Can you explain why that push was townie? He also was tunneling Foolish the day Oats got lynched. Thats my hold up with him/you because your posts have all seemed townie but he was off to me. I haven't seen his or your scum games though so I can speak to neither and people talk about you being really good so if he was playing bad scum you could be playing good scum. Also What do you make of Ace's interaction with Palmer? and Caller's "everyone mass claim"? I wish we could shoot both of them tbh. I feel like Ace is trying to buddy Palmer after pushing him for days and Caller says not a lot for the whole game then says "hey can a bunch of roles out that would be nice" Can some of the quite people please seem town you can't all be scum? Thanks 3rd. This is the first post where I say that CAller might be a better shot than Ace until then I had all been about shooting Ace. I realize this makes me look bad but I'm not going to leave something like this out cause I'm town and this was my thought process and I think that part of the post is important. On May 09 2014 18:48 Tehpoofter wrote: @VE So you're saying that as traitor you actually want to play more townie? I really don't understand this logic I mean yes you want to appear town and work the game out but my question is why the town circle thing as traitor? Like for your own benefit? What makes Marv the correct lynch today? I mean aside from he is reading you wrong what if he is just reading you wrong? @Austin thanks for pointing that out after rereading it I can see that as being more townie of him to do my only issue is that was day 1/night 1 since then I haven't seem the same gusto just a whole bunch of "I'm town I'm town marv misreads me as mafia" I need to reread tomorrow on this. @Palmer I'm surprised this is the first time you've called me scum today I thought after yesterday it was super clear that I was the lynch (supposedly based on Foolishness' flip but I think you stated town or mafia I was still mafia). What took you so long to call me mafia today? @marv what made you change your mind on me? Is it because I said I thought you might be scummy based on your predecessor? Like aren't you above that kind of "this guy called me mafia so he is mafia" level of play? What do you think that the moment you call me not town Palmer hops up to agree with you? @Jat where you at man? What do you think about hte VE/Marv/WoS thing going on, I feel like there is at least one mafia in there (probably not WoS) or a scum team of like some combination of Ace/Caller/VA/gum is just sitting back and laughing today and coasting to an easy victory. With that point in mind I'd like to hear from VE/Marv/WoS who should Jat shoot today? Should he shoot? I'll go first. I think Caller is my preferred shot because of his lack of interest in the game/ability to figure it out. Ace being a close second because of the way he has interacted with Palmer in that He is scum he is scum he is scum then nvm he gave me Dota shit he must be town. Gumshoe would be a kill you make instead of the mod at this point. 8 posts 2 given AT marv I get It I was wrong on you but do you think me being wrong on you after you sub in for prphlz who I think plays scummy just in general for me makes me mafia? I will admit the wagon on you did give me pause but what did it for me was that you weren't lynched and no lynch happened. I think gumshoe is a fine lynch if he flips town VA/Palmer and we win. I have no clue how many posts I'm at hopefully not near cap. I'm a bit worried how fast Palmer switched (hopefully its just a bus or there are only 2) I wish other people are around to give some input on what they think. | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:37 gumshoe wrote: I aim to impress : D Unvote vote: Gumshoe kill me and be cursed : P you are no king of mine. what do you think likely scum teams are? I mean not like you have been paying attention but you did FoS Oats in the like one thing I remember you doing. If you're town giving up is really silly if you're scum roll over and die plz. | ||
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On May 16 2014 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here, I just want to lynch someone who isn't me or JAT or marv. Is that possible? Thx. ##Unvote ##Vote: gumshoe VE what do you think of me? What do you think of what I said about Palmer/VA/gum? Honestly the order doesn't matter to me why are you leaving WoS off that list and do you think there is any way we lose today? | ||
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On May 16 2014 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote: No I don't think we can lose today imo. You're leaning town to me. I would have to reevaluate hard before saying with certainty that I can just lynch into Palmar/VA/gum for the win if gum flips town. As for my no-lynch list or whatever, at this point there are a bunch of little things that make me think marv is town, and admittedly I have /not/ gone back to see if prplhz' play is similar to his scumgames, which they very well might not be. And leading the Ace lynch is just...I don't know, it pretty much buys him until final three where he gets autolynched anyway. JAT was hard on Oats I think? Early, like, early enough where it doesn't make sense for him to be scum given that we know Oats was a day-vig, presumably with a shot still. And a solid body of effort consistent through the game regardless if I'm right about him being on Oats. I can roll with a JATownread for now. Understandable hopefully Gum flips scum here. I agree with the Jat town Marv town. Jat also pushed realyl really hard on foolish the day Oats was the counter wagon then didn't give up despite Oats getting lynched. To me it seems like scum wouldn't push that hard on a counter wagon unless it was lylo (this was day 2) He seemed convicted in his approach to the lynch. I read 2 of Prphlz mafia games briefly and prphlz does seem to play a more timid friendly mafia than what he played in this game. Plus the MArv push on Ace makes me think that Marv is town here. | ||
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@WoS props on the lynch on gum glad you pulled us off MArv. | ||
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I still think my theory of a team involving VA/Palmer/Gum/ACe holds strong after looking at the votes from the other day with gum surviving the CFD at EoD. The best part is Marv I still see you have worries about me now that there is an extra ML If were okay with Marv/VE/Jat/Wos we can lynch down the line between Me Palmer/ VA we win auto. I really don't have a preference if it makes you feel better you can start with me. I feel like VE/Jat/WoS (after the gumshoe lynch)/Marv (with the Ace lynch) have proven their townieness. Va/Palmer I believe are the last scum if there is 2 if there is 1 probably just VA the way he has played the game and didn't want to go on gumshoe or Ace is the most compelling to me. I Think VA is the best chance of hitting mafia and hopefully just winning the game right there. If its not him its most likely Palmer. ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
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On May 18 2014 09:08 marvellosity wrote: doesn't really bear thinking about. it's pointless. then again i'm going to humour you so i don't waste my rapidly dwindling supply arguing further jat is the only megatown. I had niggling doubts but after gumshoe got lynched I went back and re-read the almost-gumshoe lynch from a couple days prior and jat looked soooooo town. He tried to consolidate town on to Ace (mafia) and then on to gumshoe (mafia). I wanted to find you scummy just now but it turns out you're probably just dumb. So not you either probably. VE ~~~~~~ meh. not a beacon of townie light to me especially as he was rallying people to my lynch the day gumshoe didn't die T.T But I guess he felt better for no particular reason although he still hasn't done that much. Also the fact no-one really went for his lynch kinda speaks in his favour (i know normally resistance to lynch = scummy, but in this case people i consider townies were either umming and ahhing or outright defending him.) So Palmar. Palmar can be scum simply for not being on lynches at the right time and not doing anything. Obviously my read is that this isn't the case, and I've tried to explain a few times why. Just don't feel it. I think in the end I want to lynch poofter, to see if i'm right, to make VA play if poof flips town too. Also there's the little thing i mentioned before... on the day Ace got lynched, the only two people else who had votes were gumshoe (1) and poofter (2). And Ace didn't fight that lynch, at all. Because the alternatives were buddies? We can lynch Mafia if you want as well Marv How about we lynch VA/Palmer if they flip town then you can lynch me because I'm quite confident they are the last 1 or 2. How about the fact I wanted to lynch gum the day we almost lynched you? I was willing to consolidate I also wanted Ace shot along with caller. I also Was least sure on gum until I looked at the votes from your lynch day and realized he could easily be someone mafia was tryign to not get lynched. Like I instantly voted right after. Do I really sound different to you than I did in the Catastrophe game? It surprises me you're not reading me as town from my posts. Can you explain further your read on Palmer? I mean basically because hes been wrong and fucked off and not done anything. How is that reading slightly town to you? The phrase "I just don't feel it" is weird to me can you explain any further? Because to me hes the 2nd most likely mafia in the game aside from VA. I have no clue wtf happened at night would someone who gets hit and has a vest typically claim it in this format? I know in epicmafia thats common but I've never played with it on forums outside of titanic and Koshi claimed he was Vet. | ||
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On May 18 2014 09:24 marvellosity wrote: ok it does make me feel better. ##Vote: tehpoofter That makes one of us. Can you explain your read on Palmer further please and can you convince the rest of town to lynch VA/Palmer after I flip town? When I flip town Marv if you were still alive who would be your next two? I'm assuming VA/Palmer Just curious what your plan is going to be. Like I feel like we're in a really good spot I just have played too many games to know that when I die my reads get forgotten and people talk themselves out of auto wins because they doubt themselves or get convinced by strong mafia players to go elsewhere. WHEN POOFTER FLIPS TOWN LYNCH VA/PALMER I want everyone like chanting this to themselves that wants to vote me off "to be safe" cause I shot Koshi and had a different read than some. I feel like we earned an extra ML last night so I'm not as worried today as I was yesterday about dying as I think town can afford my death unless I'm wrong on WoS Marv Jat or VE we auto win. | ||
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VA why are you so sure its me? Have you evaluated Palmer at all? What do you think of the interaction between him and ACe throughout the game? Specifically the way they seemingly reconciled on the night there was a No Lynch. | ||
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On May 18 2014 09:42 marvellosity wrote: it should be 100% obvious who I would lynch if you flipped town, so no worries there You've played enough mafia to know that plans and lynch orders get lost when people get lazy Your 100% obvious especially with how you're talking about Palmer causes me to be skeptical that if Palmer is mafia he won't be able to move himself away from a lynch. If' hes town and its just VA then it doesn't matter I just don't want to martyr myself and have town lose cause I decided to make you feel at ease  I'm off for dinner and probably going out tonight. I'll be back tomorrow hopefully we can get a mafia in Palmer/VA instead of wasting a ML. | ||
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On May 19 2014 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote: It's mostly that I'm townreading poofter at this point. Like, his posting just doesn't feel like it's coming from an informed perspective. Palmar has done nothing and frankly the fact that poofter is even attempting to look town makes Palmar a better lynch today. Palmar as scum is absolutely capable of not giving a shit and doing nothing. While I concede that it's possible that town Palmar does the same, I feel comfortable saying that I find it far less likely. What do you feel about VA? I really want to understand Marv's read of Palmer but I don't so I'm okay with going on either Palmer or VA today. @JaT Which is your preference out of Palmer/Va/Me? Do you have the same feeling of "auto" as I'm getting? @Palmer Say you knew I was town who is the mafia left? | ||
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