EPTRe: gumshoe, yes you're right it's possible he did not know that BH was mafia, but the whole post still seems like a stretch even so.
I may as well just list everyone in the game and how I feel about them, might help other people maybe? and give some structure:
Alakaslam/marvelhz/austinmcc
Slam for obvious reasons. austin likely ate a martyr protection, mafia wasting a hit on the totally useless Odin seems like quite the stretch. Also Oats stuff. Just town.
jat, tehpoofter, Palmar, gumshoe, Vayne
It's possible that someone in this list is not town, it's just a useful catch-all grouping. I'll explain a bit more anyways
jat: said wait for Koshi's alignment, good boy. Votes Oats over s&b, townpoints. Townpoints for being first to attack BH's gumshoe case. Said he would read Foolish post tomorrow -> does it right then and responds, townpoints. Promised to shoot day 2 but didn't, meh. That's what I have written down; further Foolish was pretty sure jat was town, and jat has kinda seemed too prickly to be mafia.
tehpoofter: Another strong Fool townread. Bad shot on Koshi, despite lots of the thread telling him not to. That gives him negative points. But a string of things made me think he might be town. Something Oats said that stupidly I did not save, but I wrote down that it makes him lightly town (helpful I know). Said quite clearly that he preferred seeing an Oats flip and shooting elsewhere, when if tehpoofter was mafiavigi contemplating shooting an Oats who was suspicious to most of the thread, he could easily have hidden Oats' flip without much biteback. So townish? Oh yah, also:
On April 30 2014 08:45 Oatsmaster wrote:
Whats with all these lurkers coming back and calling me scum???
So many sheeples.
Poofter why do you keep pussyfooting around about shooting a dude? Shoot or dont, dont wave your gun around trying to scare people.
Whats with all these lurkers coming back and calling me scum???
So many sheeples.
Poofter why do you keep pussyfooting around about shooting a dude? Shoot or dont, dont wave your gun around trying to scare people.
Suggests poof is town
gumshoe/Vayne: already commented why. In addition to Vayne's rolestuff, his play has never suggested TMI which it can do as mafia.
Palmar: eeeesh. it's possible he's just shitting around the thread as mafia. actually quite possible. don't think it's the case though. used his Pardoner thing in possibly the least town-credit-grubbing way possible. So gives him townpoints. Also as mentioned in my first post, just a lot of little reads and comments that chimed with me. So leaning town.
Caller, Ace, Wave
So I'm semi-plumping for Wave to be town, despite what Palmar has written (which I feel makes sense). There are decent reasons he could be mafia though, what Palmar wrote, how he dealt with Oats/s&b on day 1, general apathy. So I dunno.
Caller's been pretty wacky and weird with his play, irrelevant but also kinda needlessly putting himself out there I guess. As before, Oats posts maybe suggest he is town, also maybe VE stuff too.
Ace: nothing.
I'd like to lynch VisceraEyes. I find little redeeming in his filter. Refer to my first post for general other reasons. Nothing much changed after page 37.
On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi everyone!
So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro.
Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did.
Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo.
Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response:
No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more.
My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so.
Hi everyone!
So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro.
Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did.
Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo.
Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response:
No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more.
My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so.
This post is generically weak. Just 3 meh candidates, never really followed up.
This one is just for funsies, not real evidence:
On May 03 2014 05:47 Blazinghand wrote:
I like #2. It makes a lot of sense. If Cephiro's really the cop, he'll have another check tomorrow. We can have him check someone we're very sure is town (like VE) for calibration. If he's really the cop, he might get shot, but if that's the case then we have a 50% chance of lynching the scum in Ceph/Bh/Slam rather than a 33% chance. Even better, if he's NOT the cop, he won't get two mislynches, just one. For example, let's say he checks VE and gets SAME. Since we can be very sure VE is town, we lynch Blazinghand, and when Blazinghand flips town, we lynch Ceph next rather than lynching Slam.
I'm sure that no matter how I rageI am still just a rat in a cage if you guys decide to lynch me, it's because you won't listen to reason, and after I flip you'll end up lynching slam anyways before lynching ceph. The important thing is that ceph claims his third check BEFORE I flip. If we lynch me today, Ceph can just claim he checked VE and got DIFFERENT and people will lynch oats too.
If Ceph checks VE before we lynch into me/slam, though, things get much more interesting. His charade will be harder to maintain. And if he's really the pcop? We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Today was a shit day for a pcop to claim anyways (as I'm sure you're now all realizing...)
I like #2. It makes a lot of sense. If Cephiro's really the cop, he'll have another check tomorrow. We can have him check someone we're very sure is town (like VE) for calibration. If he's really the cop, he might get shot, but if that's the case then we have a 50% chance of lynching the scum in Ceph/Bh/Slam rather than a 33% chance. Even better, if he's NOT the cop, he won't get two mislynches, just one. For example, let's say he checks VE and gets SAME. Since we can be very sure VE is town, we lynch Blazinghand, and when Blazinghand flips town, we lynch Ceph next rather than lynching Slam.
I'm sure that no matter how I rage
If Ceph checks VE before we lynch into me/slam, though, things get much more interesting. His charade will be harder to maintain. And if he's really the pcop? We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. Today was a shit day for a pcop to claim anyways (as I'm sure you're now all realizing...)
Really wacky that BH chose VE here.
