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On May 09 2014 11:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
Sorry Austin. I trust marv more than you and will be sheeping him today. Even if Palmar convinces him to vote me.
The stars have really aligned in this game--- for once I actually have a strong town read on marv I have no reason to doubt AND I don't feel guilty or stupid sheeping him because all sorts of meh.
Maybe I will care more sometime tomorrow before deadline.
##vote: visceraeyes Do 'splain please?
I'm interested in the strong read on marv.
I'm mainly interested though in what specifically about the case you like, and whether you think "here is a post/are a couple posts where VE wasn't trying to solve the game (despite giving reads)" is a good counterargument to "VE has been trying to solve the game, here is a time in thread where he was trying to figure out the Caller/Palmar stuff, and he was trying to figure out Foolishness and BH in QT".
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Like...you're saying
"I trust marv's read on VE more than yours" or "I trust marv more than you"
but in the case, what you'd ACTUALLY need to be thinking is
"I trust marv's read on VE, based on just what VE has put in thread, over your read and Foolishness's read, both of whom had access to everything that VE has posted this game AND I trust marv's read on VE, but his read on me is butt he should be reading me town because of x, not be all wishy washy on me"
(Or, I guess "I trust marv working with partial information over you and Foolishness working with full information AND I trust marv's VE read despite thinking his read on my should be different than what it is")
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On May 09 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 11:25 austinmcc wrote:
Like...you're saying
"I trust marv's read on VE more than yours" or "I trust marv more than you"
but in the case, what you'd ACTUALLY need to be thinking is
"I trust marv's read on VE, based on just what VE has put in thread, over your read and Foolishness's read, both of whom had access to everything that VE has posted this game AND I trust marv's read on VE, but his read on me is butt he should be reading me town because of x, not be all wishy washy on me"
(Or, I guess "I trust marv working with partial information over you and Foolishness working with full information AND I trust marv's VE read despite thinking his read on my should be different than what it is") You know who else had access to everything in a QT and still thought somebody in there was scum? I can think of somebody. Sure, but you know this isn't actually the argument you want it to be. I pushed him yesterday and voted for him, was wrong.
That doesn't mean I'm wrong on VE. And you also KNOW Foolishness is town now, and he was townie on VE. So...it's not just me here.
Just because i CAN be wrong with full information doesn't mean that full information doesn't lead to better reads than partial information. If you want to keep score, full information > partial information. austin + foolishness = 2 people, marv = 1 people, 2 people > 1 people. austin was wrong on foolishness. That's like 2:1 in favor of VE being town. That's TWICE as much. If he's mafia, he would have had to get TWO town PMs also (two is twice as much as one).
AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE KINDA WORRIED ABOUT SHOOTY MCGEE BALANCE? THAT TOWN MIGHT HAVE SLAM + POOFTER + JAT VIGIS AND SCUM MIGHT JUST HAVE WAVE? JUST IN TERMS OF BALANCE CRAP AND NOT AT ALL ABOUT POSTS, PLEASE TO SPECULATE FOR ME. WE HAVE 3 CONFIRMED VIGIS, 1 CLAIMED VIGI, 1 CLAIMED HERO. DO YOU THINK 3v1 (town v scum) VIGIS IS BALANCED IF SCUM HAS A HERO? DO YOU THINK THAT 2v2 WITH A TOWN HERO IS NICE AND HAPPY? PLEASE WORK THE HERO INTO YOUR VIGI SPECULATION AND JUST SPITBALL FOR ME HOW YOU THINK THOSE NUMBERS WORK/DON'T WORK
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On May 09 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:
How exactly does the QT matter zero where Foolishness was involved but it matters where VE is involved? Open the spoiler, senor.
Ace askedCorrect me if I'm way off here but is there any reason Foolishness is Scum that has anything to do with not being related to a QT? i.e. "Isn't Foolishness just scummy for stuff in the QT". Which might lead to "No, that's not the case, here is why Foolishness is scummy."
Why was prplhz townie/why IS marv townie?
Like prplhz's comments on SnB are basically that Foolishness's case is butt. He votes oats, who is not his preferred lynch, drops this On April 28 2014 11:52 prplhz wrote:
don't remember seeing an easier lynch and a bigger wagon than oats but whatever, better than strongandbig
##Vote Oatsmaster
i don't hold high hopes for this
inb4 it's a scum tell that i vote for a wagon and denounce it in the same post 9 mins before deadline
and swaps back to SnB when consolidation occurring.
D2 we lynch Foolishness over Caller/Ace/BH, no mention of oats (who I was still pushing) - + Show Spoiler +On April 30 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote:
Like Foolishness has done exactly what he said his scum meta is: he completely disappeared d2 after making a bad case on d1. Today we just do what sandroba said, 100% scum lynch on Foolishness. we're not going with some Caller/Ace/Blazinghand bullshit. Today we listen to probably the best town player (no no, not me, sandroba) saying that he's 100% sure on someone else and we lynch Foolishness. Get on with it.
His thoughts on oats D2?On May 01 2014 11:57 prplhz wrote:
oats 11 votes already dead On May 01 2014 11:59 prplhz wrote:
he could be scum but i'd rather lynch fool
SUPER DUPER MEGA DOESN'T MAKE HIM SCUMMY. I WAS TOWNIE ON HIM BEFORE AS WELL, BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT WAS PARTICULARLY TOWNIE TO YOU.
On May 09 2014 11:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't even understand what you capsblasted at me just now, but I can see that you called me scum. Something you want to get at, honey? Yeah. You know how sometimes I call you Oats or Oats WoS? Ta da! That was a mistake and the part where I say you flipped scum should say that Oats flipped scum. Also I'm talking here because I'm not scummy on you, and I'm trying to understand where you're coming from on this, because it confuses me from town WoS.
The caps bit is this- Earlier, you said one thing against Poofter was that we had, vigi-wise
Alakaslam, Snb (i keep forgetting that), Oats, JAT, Poofter
and you thought JAT was town, so it was 3 town vigis, 1 scum vigi, and an unknown in Poofter. - Based on this, you were somewhat speculating that Poofter was mafia, because 4 town vigis and 1 scum vigi was out of whack.
- However, VA has been claiming Hero all day every day, so I'm wondering if you will just spitball thoughts out on how you might balance 5 vigis and a hero. Does 4 town vigis and 1 scum vigi make more sense to you IF scum have a hero? Does 3 town vigis, 2 scum vigis, and town gets the hero feel yumtastic? Does 4 town vigis and a town hero v 1 scum vigi smell like roses?
You will not be forced to lynch specific people based on only this, but I just want to see what you think here. You were looking at Poofter in terms of this before, but weren't considering VA. I'm wondering how things come out if you consider everyone.
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On May 09 2014 12:02 WaveofShadow wrote:
I wasn't pushing poofter when I was based on the role speculation. It was just some yummy icing. I'm not sure where VA fits into all that...speculation is just that, speculation. (Also remember we've had a claimed vig for...how many days now who hasn't shot when he's had more than ample opportunity for some very good ones. All he's done is threaten people all game with it.)
Also you didn't answer my question austin. I don't care about why you said that, or who you were answering. I want to know why the stuff in the QT doesn't have anything to do with why you call Foolishness scum and/or is completely non-indicative to you, and yet the stuff VE has done in the QT is very town-indicative. (1) What you're saying is "BUT YOU SAID THE QT DIDN'T MATTER FOR FOOLISH AND NOW YOU SAY IT'S EVERYTHING ON VE" and what I'm saying is "The first comment has some context, here it be"
(2) PLEASE SPECULATE ANYWAY. I WANT TO SEE YOUR SPECULATION. SHOW ME YOUR THROBBING SPECULATION.
(3) Foolish in the QT isn't alignment determinative to me. He has some comments, but VE is like...actively PUSHING fool and BH to try and figure out their alignments and their reads. Fool talks some, says stuff, but he's not pushing against anyone else in there, and his reads in the QT are the same as his reads in the thread. There's also the fact that VE's stuff...specifically counters what marv is saying? The QT is relevant to "VE is not trying to figure out the game." Nothing from Foolishness in the QT is the same relevance? Not to mention that VE has posted way less in thread as compared to Foolishness, so ... what he's done in QT is a larger percentage of his overall stuff. That one doesn't say why Foolishness's wouldn't matter, but it's a reason why, for VE, the QT is particularly important. You're missing much more of VE's contributions/comments/actions than you are of Foolishness, and the THINGS that VE did in the QT were more telling than what Fool did in the QT (If you think that scum would never tell a recruiter mason to add a NK target to the QT on the night of the shot, then this statement doesn't apply to you, as Foolishness saying to add Sandroba on N1 would ONLY be townie in your mind, and would be super duper relevant. I thought it could go either way, as scum might not want to be in a QT with a growing number of townies)
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15. Need to consolidate these.
Jesus Christ could you hard claim Masons in the thread any more? The fact that you're not dead is very suspicious to me. -.-
I'm going to read this thang before I post too much. 1 hour later
Okay, having read this thang I only have one question for both of you:
Are you fine with the other one? As in, you've spent time together in here, do you feel like the other is trustworthy?
I assume the answer is yes based on what's been said in thread and in here but I want to make sure before we go further.
Does anyone in here think that Caller/Palmar are town? BE HONEST BECAUSE ITS IMPORTANT.
BH respondsI don't think Palmar is really town but I wanted to give him more time to prove himself since he's a potentially valuable asset. I figure if by halfway through today he's still derping and herping we should kill him. 1 minute later VE respondsCaller now. and 1 minute after that Also I have no such reservation about Palmar. He's looked town as town in the last few games. HE does not look town this game, so I'm willing to lynch. Tell me what you think of Caller immediately.
FoolishnessI feel the same about Palmar as what Blazinghand said.
I don't know about Caller. I thought he was town early yesterday but haven't gone back to confirm that read. Really I wouldn't be upset if either of these guys died. I don't think lynching either of them is the right move for the town though. VE respondsAnyway I want to lynch caller not shoot him. I want to know whether he's scum or not because to me that's important with what he's doing right now. Foolish I think you're town but sandroba didn't and he's confirmed town now so if you don't want town to lynch you please prove you're town to the thread.
When asked by Fool why we should lynch Caller over "ace/oats/RoL/WoS/etc."I don't know why you think Ace is scum, Wave and Oats look like their typical town selves imo, RoL could hang imo, but what is there to gain in lynching RoL over lynching Caller? Like, there have been people who have taken stances on Caller/Palmar, no one is talking about RoL at all. Maybe if you kinda EXPLAIN what there is to gain?
BH asks who's around, Fool says he is but thinks VE got mad at him and wasn't around, VE says to fuck mafia and that he's gonna sleep/read, and addsFor the record, everyone who called me town died. I was under the impression you thought I was /not/ the worst Mafia player to have ever lived, but I guess that's wrong.
</3 Fool respondsNo what you said is correct, I do not think you are the worst mafia player to have ever lived.
Also I did say that game that you're my favorite, I didn't just say that to say it. VE says nothing more on that front.
He pushes to add me to the QT, says I'm good and that there's no way I bus oats so early with Oats having a shot. He does this while BH is waffling on whether to add me and says he wants to go look at past games of mine to see if I'm town.
There are a chunk of posts where he wants to lynch Slam over BH, but thinks BH is a silly billy for not trusting Cephiro's cop claim. He wants me to go reread The Game, but I never found out why. He agree Foolishness/BH can't be scumbuddies, b/c QT had a bunch of posts and even IF this was some scum ploy (add a buddy to QT), it wouldn't read like it does.
Posts today where he's not quite sure about me, maybeFoolish was cleared because if he were scum Sandroba wouldn't have been shot on the night BH tried to recruit him. We talked about this bitch. I say no, I was unsure on that point and more focused on interactions which didn't matter once BH flipped not-OG-mafia. He respondsMaybe, but taken with the interactions...like, both the interactions AND what I mentioned said he was likely town. Not one or the other, who cares if...
ARE YOU FUCKING SCUM AUSTIN?
Anyway, there's most everything. To me, how he interacts with me today is relevant; the point I mentioned before where BH says he wants to lynch gumshoe and gumshoe's target (oats), and VE calls him mafia for that, or sorta-jokingly (not specifically posted here because the above is all there it to it); his entrance; the way he asked BH/foolishness about palmar and caller, while responding quickly and not wanting to shoot caller, only lynch him; sorta half-joking with Foolishness about some comment from an old game.
It's just posted pretty freely, he's looking into things, starts out questioning them. Blah blah.
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Poof you asked for in thread stuff, and I posted just more specific QT crap.
Look at his conversation with Ace during N1. He's actively trying to figure out what Ace is thinking about stuff, looks to be evaluating that, and coming around to think Ace makes some sense. He follows that by asking Ace about prplhz, who is connected to Palmar, and so VE looks to be like, not only trying to understand what Ace is saying/thinking, but push him to see where it stops (is prplhz mafia then if palmar is mafia, b/c of pardon?). iirc that was the most glaring bit to me where he's honestly trying to figure something out.
Re: who I want to lynch today
Started simple and pared down a list to Caller / Palmar / VA / Gumshoe. My larger option has more people, but more people is bad and there should be scum in there.
VA's D2 takes him off my list for me. He likes Foolishness and Foolishness's reads at that time, later references Fool's D2 reads post when I'm asking him why he's townie on Foolishness and what reads he agreed with. At the very least, that's just a minor thing that checks out. He's offering Palmar and Oats as lynch/shot options, and votes/sticks on oats. Although it looks like he's got cold feet at one point, "its too easy, should we abort", he doesn't move his vote. His initial post after the Oats flip is to assume everyone on Oats D1 is clear. Shows me that he's thinking about the flip, what to do with it, what does it say. I dunno that the conclusion is 100%, but I like the thought to be barely barely townie. Also I kind of liked the recent post where VA asks WoS what I'm pushing, when WoS is saying he trusts marv more than me and wants to sheep him. Just at the very least following along and asking a decent question there.
Whatever.
That leaves me with Caller/Palmar/Gumshoe.
Gumshoe I dunno about. He HAS occasionally posted stuff like his Oats thing. There's a big post on rayn in cell mini, where he just compares rayn's play in cell to a past game. I'm not used to seeing ginormous posts from Gumshoe, and not cases, so it caught me by surprise but he HAS done it in the past. It's still wonky to me that basically the biggest thing he's done is drop a fat case where everything Oats did was scummy, vote oats, and then just afk the rest of the game. The last two cycles only dropping by the last hour of the day (little less than random afking) is ... not lovely. There's nothing meaty to go off of, though. If scum thought oats was gonna be in trouble D2, maybe you have one guy push him to look good later (because Gumshoe so often suspected/mislynched, needs something to get by in late game), but that's only looking at it from a scum perspective. BLAH BLAH BLAH this post ends abruptly and I go to sleep
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I think it's unlikely that JAT/poofter/VA are all town. 4 vigis + hero v. 1 vigi seems wonky, you'd give the hero to the team that has low numbers and could potentially almost get wiped or actually get wiped by that many vigis. Someone there is red. I don't think any of them are the lynch for today. Nobody should get lynched solely on account of this, but I think everyone should look into those 3 and see if they can rule someone OUT (can't be mafia), and whether anyone in that group looks particularly scumdiddlyumptious.
I come down to Palmar/Caller/Gumshoe/Marv.
Palmar wonky just because he feels very inconsistent internally? I *think* this might be slightly town, just because I feel like Palmar can be lazy/trolly as scum, but recently he's at least tried to look townie early, or townie when he's not being lazy/trolly. This game, he doesn't talk about oats ever, which I dislike. But if he's trying to ACCOMPLISH anything, push anything for mafia, he's doing terrible at it. Thinks killing slam is a good idea D1/D2, but votes BH over slam. Thinks fool is a good lynch D2, but also RoL, the guy Fool is pushing. Thinks Poofter is scum if Fool is town, and LOOKS like he means it, but instead of pushing Poofter is now pushing WoS (for bad reasons). It just seems like he's not trying to accomplish anything, nor is he trying to look town. He also took 0 opportunity to say oats was scummy or anything, when my recent experience with scum Palmar is that if you look a little scummy, are up for lynch, are being pushed, and aren't responding at all, he's gonna be pissed at you and start calling you scummy. The fact that he said nothing about oats when oats was doing nothing is inconsistent with that, see III Titanic scum QT. So overall, there's nothing to make me particularly green on Palmar, but it doesn't look like he's red, and in a group of possibles that takes him out of consideration for me today.
Caller / Gumshoe / Marv
I'd be interested in people pushing marv talking some about prplhz. Were you scummy/townie on him, why, what has made you change/not change your mind, blah blah. Like...personal thoughts, not just +1ing someone else. I don't like the idea of lynching marv the day he joins, but I think this push on VE and his responses have been BAD. "I don't have full info but yeah I'm more right" and "He's not trying to solve anything in this post here, therefore he's not trying to solve anything anywhere" aren't legit and marv seems to think they are. I'm used to arguing about crap with marv when we're both town, but NORMALLY i'm probably the one who's wrong. I'm arguing something dumb, or absolutely convinced that this one odd thing could save me thousands on my mortgage and also makes someone town/scum. This time, I'm entirely right and he's got the bad arguments. That's not something I'm used to, and it's not our normal arguing.
I think marv is an option today but I'm hesitant to lynch him MAINLY because of hindsight about Foolishness, and feeling like things could be better if we'd lynched into inactives and not Fool. Yes, there are people we don't want in LYLO. Yes, we have some ?s. Every day we say we'll deal with that later, while lynching someone active/semi-active and scummy is ... another day we can keep doing this same dance. We'll ALWAYS find someone who did something weird or scummy and keep lynching those people over the folks we really need to figure out and/or kill.
I end up on Caller/Gumshoe then.
Gumshoe pushed oats, in kind of a curious way ---> "Hi, I haven't played this game, here's a bunch of reasons why everything this guy has done is scummy" ---> that guy is scum. Yeah, he made a big post with pictures and crap, and yeah, he pushed oats when there wasn't a NEED to do so yet, if he just wants to be on a scum lynch he could have waited a bit if oats is a buddy. But his response after the lynch is Sigh so hard to get inspired for this game T_T Glad to see Oats flip though! "I just posted a case, despite you bitches thinking I never post cases. Also it was totally right. Also we lynched mafia today. Also that mafia had a shot he didn't get to fire. Man, it's so hard to get inspired."
Combine that with all the other excuses/promises in his filter and...he's not looking groovy. When I've seen townGumshoe afk there are promises but also a lot of playful crap. See Dr Who, where he basically does nothing except post some nonsense about seeking companions, offer to trade role information when he's been afk forever, FAKE CLAIM A ROLE HE AIN'T GOT AND SOMEONE ELSE DO GOT, GET SHOT IN THE FACE FOR IT, etc. Even when he's barely playing, he APPEARS to still enjoy things and joke around. This game he's much more serious. That could be flavor, someone should look at more past games (I looked at a few, but other people need to look him up).
But he's just all over the place with excuses and promises, and that's never gonna be happy happy - + Show Spoiler +On April 27 2014 12:45 gumshoe wrote:
Hey guys ) : didn't realize this was going on till now ( busy with an sc 2 clan tourney ( that I won !!!!!!!!!) all day ) it's late now but I am actually really excited to play this game. Will catch up first thing tommorow.
On April 28 2014 14:58 gumshoe wrote:
Haro, its late but I owe town a few thoughts. I wont make anymore excuses, suffice to say been a spectacularly busy couple days.
I'm not asking people to think I'm town because of my absence / : I can and have lurked as scum, all I ask is not to make anything of it, because it's literally just me being lazy and a jerk to the game, nothing else. Sigh so hard to get inspired for this game T_T Glad to see Oats flip though! Anything specific anyone wants me to look at? Or any questions for me to answer, I find my best odds of getting back into a game are usually specific missions XD I gave him some things to look at after this, he didn't respond to them. On May 04 2014 10:47 gumshoe wrote:
##Vote: Blazinghand
Pretty sure slams town, he reads like slam, and if Bh is scum we can always back up so it's no biggie.
Let the flames burn! I think slam is town and BH is mafia, so we should lynch BH. Also, "if BH is scum we can always back up". I dunno what that means at ALL. And it's weird to say that you think A is town, B is mafia, and drop a little "If B is mafia, we're okay, it's no biggie." OF COURSE IT'S NO BIGGIE IT'S HOW YOU THINK THINGS ARE SET UP. On May 04 2014 12:29 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 12:12 austinmcc wrote:
Thanks for making some posts and donating some posts, Gumshoe.
JAT, gotta see. Him being a traitor means some associative stuff is all wonky now, we dunno whether he was recruited or not (afaik so far). It's like VE in Catasrophe, if BH couldn't communicate with mafia yet, then his filter will be somewhat informative but it's not like they'd be coordinating and he wouldn't KNOW if his reads were correct.
Still, scum lynch. Bitches, paper, etc.
(WoS get out of my head) Anytime!(in an ideal word) so yeah ceph and slams confirmed town, that's always nice. Also filter diving blazing again still isn't a bad idea, maybe he 180ed on someone he read as scummy/townie which might suggest he joined scum at some point. Ima probs do that tommorow. Night night town, gj ( : ALSO NOTE HOW THAT HAPPY FACE SMILEY IS ACTUALLY A FROWN WITH EYES BELOW IT. IS GUMSHOE SUBCONSCIOUSLY FROWNING!?!?!?!? On May 07 2014 11:36 gumshoe wrote:
Hey guys, family just left for Israel to pick up my cousins so should be free here on out. I wouldn't ever vote plam cause of how his pardon thing went down. Truly doubt he's scum. As for fool, haven't honestly read much of him, but from what I remember he seems to play a bit of an aggro style that made me think he was possibly the traitor a while back.That's impossible now of course, but it doesn't seem like there are any better candidates and hopefully this will answer some questions no matter how it goes.
Vote Foolishness
I was gone, should be free, i THINK fool plays aggro (BUT NEVER SAYS WHETHER FOOL IS OR ISN'T THIS GAME OR THAT FOOL IS SCUMMY OR ANYTHING DEFINITIVE LIKE THAT) ---> there aren't better candidates. Hopefully it answers some questions, none of which Gumshoe is asking?
SERIOUSLY THOUGH PEOPLE SHOULD ACTUALLY READ HIS GAMES AND HAVE A LEGITIMATE DISCUSSION, EVEN IF EVERYONE COMES AWAY UNSURE. ALSO HE USES LOTS AND LOTS OF LITTLE QUESTIONS IN 1-2 TOWN GAMES I SAW, MANY OF HIS POSTS ARE JUST A LITTLE ?, WHETHER READ-RELATED OR NO. DOES HE DO THAT AS SCUM, IS IT JUST HOW GUMSHOE WORKS? IF IT'S JUST A TOWN THING, IS HE DOING IT HERE? I DON'T THINK THERE WERE AS MANY ?s HERE AS THERE WERE IN THE GAMES I SAW BUT IT WAS A TINY SAMPLE AND LYNCHING SOMEONE FOR NUMBER OF QUESTIONS IS DUMB.
Whatever.
Caller or Marv are my choices for the day. Marv's recent push makes me dislike, prplhz's filter is okay but his stance on oats is kinda meh and the whole wanting to lynch Foolishness thing is NOT a plus once BH flips traitor and not actual mafia. In terms of "THINGS THAT PEOPLE HAVE DONE", the prplhz/marv slot comes out scummier than the Caller slot for me.
Mainly because Caller hasn't really done much besides fakenuke and then vote for NOT oats, NOT oats, and throwaway a vote on VA because he wouldn't claim or something dumb like that.
Gumshoe also a possibility, just because.
WELL THAT GOT NOWHERE.
I'm out for a bit and none of this really went anywhere, gg me. Will check in in a couple hours.
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On May 10 2014 00:32 justanothertownie wrote:
If someone wants to be a townhero - donate marv posts. We need him to post more regardless of his alignment. Marv, if you should get some be more careful. I know it is hard to be that restricted in playstyle and it sucks but believe me not being able to posts later on is more annoying then holding back a bit earlier.
Austin, you rambled on about all those other question marks. What about Ace?
Ace, your time is slowly running out. You did some things (good) but it is not enough.
I will keep holding back most of my opinions for a few more hours for specific reasons (and because I have to travel) just so you know. Ace has been more chatty today, said some things. Seemed more sensible. The BIGGEST knock on Ace imo is just that ... in Nuclear Mini he was scumbuddies with oats, and when I got on oats's case about his reads that game and dunked him, Ace made some "Ooooooh, Oats just got dunked" comment.
TO SOME EXTENT, his comment after I think I won an argument there with Marv reminded me of that. Flashbacks.
Otherwise, nothing has really swung me in any direction. Fool said this back on D2 The only things I have about Ace are:
1) I don't feel like he's hiding anything or pushing an agenda.
2) I feel that if he was mafia he would be trying harder to do something (yes I realize how silly this argument sounds). and that's mostly still true until just now, where he's maybe doing something or taking a position. Fool was not clearly town on him though, Ace was in the list of like 5-6 unknown/scum possibilities. Just that comment stuck with.
So...my thoughts on Ace are that there are finally things to pushpin into the Ace bulletin board, and for some reason I think that takes him off my list, and I'd rather wait and see if/how Marv flips, what Ace does in the next bit, etc.
He was also kinda anti-foolishness lynch, like the way he interacted with me saying things that I was scummy on Fool for it felt ... I don't know. Either scum taking a great position to sort of sit back and critique a case, or legit town trying to figure out why I wanted this guy lynched, going through reasons. That bit is worth looking at much harder, but overall, Ace just has actual STUFF and he's not as ? for me. I don't feel like i KNOW his alignment, but I feel like there are things to work with.
I'm about to head out to a bachelor party for the weekend, SURPRISE. That's one reason I've been ass at getting through everything I should be reading, and I will try to check phone tonight like 1-2 times, but otherwise, I'm gone til Sunday.
Whatever. Keep talking about marv. I don't really think he's the lynch for today, would really rather weed out ?s. Caller or Palmar are probably the spots to look. I think marv is objectively more questionable, but if we keep pushing this down the road then we end up in LYLO with ?s, rather than scummy looking marv. VE also is somewhat distressed by that position from me. There's also just a tendency to jump on something new rather than really look at a pile of ?, and we gotta avoid that, and even if marv is the lynch, people need to talk about other crap and work on figuring other crap out.
Someone(s) else, please look at Geript's filter. When I went and read to try and figure out maybe why he was shot, a lot of his reads were actually wonky. He was townie on oats, scummy on Fool, I THINK he was scummy on sandro. He was looking at Koshi, which is a reason to kill him IF Koshi was scum, but Koshi's shot response DOES look town, although he was a wonky oats-defender. If NOT because of Koshi, anyone spitball a particular thought as to why Geript was shot? He died N1. Probably 'portant. From what I saw, Palmar kept saying nice things about Geript, so it made me look slightly askance at Palmar, maybe seeing him as a threat. BUT IT'S ALL SPECULATION YET STILL IT WOULD BE NICE FOR PEOPLE TO READ THAT AND THINK ABOUT IT AND POST ABOUT IT AND DISCUSS IT YESYESYES.
Yeah! Leaving computer and not placing a vote yet and not doing a good job of trying to lead town today. Boo me! ABBA would be sad.
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Anyway, talking about marv good. Possibly lynching marv good. Lynching marv not the best imo. But possibly, yum yum that sounds good.
Geript's filter
WoS just rando-speculating about vigis and Hero, he should seriously just think through it and post some stuff in thread because it's dumb but I would appreciate it and it's not a stupid stupid question like I would sometimes ask, it's at least mostly legit.
VA should talk about prplhz/marv some more, even if he wants to vote poofter
VE is town. Don't lynch
Gumshoe's past games. Does anyone else see a bunch of little ?s? Does he do that as scum as well?
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It's too late in day to argue shot target, still be playing marv/ve games.
Need 2-3 targets max, agreed upon, that you can actually get a majority for. I think gumshoe, maybe a caller or palmar or botg. Also, if you're going to shoot someone you should do it now or earlier. The posturing is meh, akd people seem to mainly talk AFTER shots, so some of whatever vali3 exists in shooting is lost.
In a game with one scum kp though i atill don't like shooting. We get no flip, and any mis-shot is a whole cycle scum don't have to survive, sorta
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##vote: gumshoe
Again, will try and check back before deadline but unsre on sobriety and ability to operate phone.
I want to let marv/vw simmer a bit but everyone should talk about it imo
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He's the lynch because I'm drunk and also out of everyone he's the least readable and I'm worried about lategame although seriously Simone go read some padr games of his.
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Vert drunk maybe check back to vote. If gumsgoe back in lat hour and vote lynch face plz. Towb gumshoe sometimes inactive but doesn't care and joke. Always come back last hour is smelly and lynch. Maybe modkill, if so, dunno if bad.vote maybe so but I nit good person make good vote now.
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Tv h gun@*83.99"?. That says lynch gumshiej plzl. Too many.lag.hour returns, always making sure don't.die . Sry gu.shied
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Fuck you phoenbe assgole spell thing wrongk
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Nobody rwety town wi. wr wib. Fuckbscum we win all is well. Marc actually scmy will try lake real post when can type but sang lynxg for today. Gumshie was lynch today Sry gumshie, but when you afk you come back whenever, not just hour befoeblynxgn.
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On May 10 2014 12:38 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 12:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2014 12:12 gumshoe wrote:On May 10 2014 12:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe, do me a favour.
Shut up, go away, and at least have the decency to enjoy your victory in silence. What fuckin victory? I was about to be lynched/die just like in doctor and catastrophe and just like those games I flooded my thoughts in last second to give town something instead of jack all (and to slack my guilt a smidge) I get your pissed, but I'm not scum and your bieng a dick. This is likely the last thing I will say this game, though I probably need time to cool down and we'll see. I don't give a shit about your guilt. Your last second flooded thoughts don't mean a goddamn fucking thing. Gumshoe, being a dick IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE DONE ALL GAME, BY JOINING AND REFUSING TO PLAY. ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE TOWN. IF YOU ARE TOWN, NEVER PLAY A GAME ON THIS SITE AGAIN. Show nested quote +Gumshoe, <3
If town lynches me today and I curse this town from here to eternity I don't include you. Show nested quote +Gumshoe hurry up and find out who is scum so I can sheep you and be done with it. Show nested quote +God damn it gumshoe I went from liking your posting early to finding you annoying to really liking you again. Been a long time since we started playing, you know that you were the first person to be really nice to me on tl? To find my jokes funny, my play impressive? Basterd is pretty much my favourite game I've ever played on this site (even though I lost) and thats pretty much because of how much fun I had playing with you ) : from figuring out why you fake claimed to trying to theory craft a way for us both to win, that game was far and away the most engaging for me, the most inspiring. I was pretty bitter when I lost, but was still pretty happy in the end that you at least came out alive. Town wanted to lynch you to buy time, but that didn't happen, I wouldn't let it. So at least I did that. I can never unlock the perfect ending to that perfect game, but we, together, can win this one, I just have to stop lurking and you have to calm down because together we can solve games Wos. Help me bring back that funny, smart, charismatic player that wouldn't give up on you then and wont now. What do you think of Vayne, do you think Mafia have vannilas? what does caybwvhavw to do with Cadillac? He sat he have rike. Even I'd you love wos and bastards we better and you shouldblocrb us and play si we don't lunch you.
Cuz sometimes we want lynch you. What you think avou rkakrv and ve zpkz. Their filters jot makassice, and they Fo bs be issue tinmoerow, so marc and ve burg town Jr I ly only one? I'd just one, who Nd why? SIJR DRIBI ABF VIT TUV IT IS JICEBVUTB8T IS BABDD DIBR #O
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OH THAT DID NOR COME OUT WELL
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gg all, sorry for phone death. Town and ABBA 4 lyfe
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