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This game was a hell of a lot more fun when I didn't care about it.
I've already explained why JAT looks like shit, he has done nothing but push Foolishness all game to the detriment of any other scumhunting and usefulness. I've also already explained why I don't like Austin's push on Fool AFTER he came out with the QT as to me, the QT made him look townier. Also I was/am mad at them/myself. Fact remains that there are still a billion to people to lynch ahead of either of them. I want to say you're one of them but strangely enough your 'proof' actually resonated with me.
Also Palmar plz.
I kicked your ass as scum in Survivor series. You really think I'd be caught like that? I care about my scumgame way too much to play the way I did for the first half of the game, but of course that's not necessarily indicative for you.
Maybe Ace's nuke will actually land. That'd be nice. I guess maybe Poofter tomorrow? I think a lot of his stuff yesterday made me hate him less than I did after that one post so I'll have to re-read. Or we can just start YOLOing into lurkers. Something about the way VA was so easily convinced to switch bothers me even though I read him as town. meh.
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I'd say shoot VE. Almost feels like a waste since he may get modkilled on D15 or whenever Hapa decides its late enough in the game that warnings/replacements aren't sufficient. Higher chance of him being scum than gumshoe who has played exactly like this countless numbers of times as town (and I inevitably get him mislynched for it)
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Almost out of posts---either way wait till daytime imo. I'm sure of my read on gumshoe and I can elaborate further if necessary later---of course I could be wrong but this certainly fits the pattern. I'd be hella pissed if I was wrong though cauae I always mislynch him and if the one time I protect his lurking ass and he's scum...ugh.
As for VE I want to check a couple things because there's a couple things I saw him post that make me think town but I want to look back at Catastrophe and compare. Either way I'm pissed at him for not playing. He's better than this imo. Gumshoe isn't.
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On May 08 2014 03:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Welp. I'm the other person in the QT with Austin/Foolish/BH. I'm pretty surprised to see Austin throw in his lot with the Foolish voters considering we had a chat in the QT where we pseudo-cleared Foolish based what happened. And the whole time he was all "Sry if ur green" and "I think ur town BUT" and shit.
People are clearing him based on, if I'm not mistaken, the martyr dying the night after Austin looked super town for pushing Oats. Consider though that if Austin is scum, it makes him look REALLY GOOD if they simply TARGET the guy who basically hard-claimed martyr that night.
Because he was so blah on the Foolish lynch as it was happening, I'm removing Austin from town-mayor position. He's not fit to rule.
You're removing him.
You know, if you felt this way, and was part of the QT while it was going on, maybe, you know, you could have FUCKING DONE SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
JAT just fucking shoot him. Town or scum I don't even care---I have zero misgivings as to how useful he has been versus how useful I expect him to be as the game progresses.
Oh marv is here.
Marv solve this fucking game for me 'cause I'm just about done with this horseshit. Give me a 100% and I'll sheep you I don't even care. I had a townread on prp so that's good enough for me.
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Meh.
Not scum but lost my will to live in this game really. I think the only thing keeping me going would be to keep my mislynch stat low because I already assume this is a win for scum.
If you guys think Palmar is capable of catching me out completely based on one post as scum then by all means. I'm gone all day and am show up sporadically if something interests me. This game was much less stressful and annoying when I didn't care about it. Now I know why everyone else does the same!
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On May 09 2014 00:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 00:06 justanothertownie wrote:
@marv: The thing is - do you see a reason for caller to be town? I mean I am not dead set on shooting him over people like VE or gumshoe but he was on like every wrong wagon and useless besides that. Also, I don't really see why people think VA is town and I won't sheep a day1 read from Koshi who was very wrong on many things this game. Just finished reading the thread. Don't have great reasons for Caller to be town, but the Oats posts and his general attitude leave it as a possibility, and he is at least tied to players like Oats + VE, which means information can be gathered. I think gumshoe is reasonably likely to be town. One reason is that he went quite hard on Oats at some point. Also BH went at him. The biggest reason, imo (connecting the two), is that gumshoe made a very very long post saying for a long time how his accuser, BH, was town. Having spent a bazillion words saying how his accuser was town, he then used this sidestep to... call Oats mafia instead. This seems like such an unlikely mindset/sequence for mafia to pull off. Why bother spending so much time saying how your accuser is not mafia (when he is your scumbuddy) only to call another scumbuddy mafia instead? Simpler explanation = he is town. VA is quite possibly town because he keeps banging on about whatever his role is like a weirdo as if anyone ever gives a shit, but he just keeps on going on about it. Reminds me a bit of Hogwarts when he kept saying he was practically confirmed town for something role-related.
You should shoot Ace 100%. He has nothing tying him to anyone. His flip is meaningless in regards to anyone else's alignment. Town loses nothing by losing Ace, and we might just hit a mafia. There's no particularly good reason to think he's town or scum, and with a lack of other connecting information, he is essentially the perfect shot.
I said this literally DAYS ago,.
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Oh and hey marv at the end of Survivor series you said you now knew how to tell if I was scum. What's with the wiffle waffle on that?
I dunno best read on me this game goes to that one by VA ages ago.
On April 30 2014 07:46 VayneAuthority wrote:
yea i'd say anyone pushing foolishness is suspicious as fuck. his reads are good besides WoS, that guy would not play this terrible as scum he barely ever gets to play it.
I would lynch VE except he did a bunch of that posting around one deadline where he thought he was confirmed town or some shit?
On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO
Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town.
Banks I'll get to you later.
I dunno doesn't SEEM like scum would throw that around but then I remember thinking similar thoughts in the beginning of Catastrophe too and I was wrong so I meant to look through there (haven't yet).
Marv 2 questions (though I probably can't follow up until later)
a) Your poofter/Oats interaction business is fairly compelling actually, though I had him as a massive scumread after that one pre-deadline post on BH I mentioned. What did you think of that?
b) Is VA likely to be convinced by me and acquiesce to vote for Foolishness after what he said earlier about Foolishness being town, AND knowing VA usually does what he wants, how he wants it? I'm still leaning town on VA but these things are slightly contradictory.
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Sorry Austin. I trust marv more than you and will be sheeping him today. Even if Palmar convinces him to vote me.
The stars have really aligned in this game--- for once I actually have a strong town read on marv I have no reason to doubt AND I don't feel guilty or stupid sheeping him because all sorts of meh.
Maybe I will care more sometime tomorrow before deadline.
##vote: visceraeyes
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On May 09 2014 11:25 austinmcc wrote:
Like...you're saying
"I trust marv's read on VE more than yours" or "I trust marv more than you"
but in the case, what you'd ACTUALLY need to be thinking is
"I trust marv's read on VE, based on just what VE has put in thread, over your read and Foolishness's read, both of whom had access to everything that VE has posted this game AND I trust marv's read on VE, but his read on me is butt he should be reading me town because of x, not be all wishy washy on me"
(Or, I guess "I trust marv working with partial information over you and Foolishness working with full information AND I trust marv's VE read despite thinking his read on my should be different than what it is")
You know who else had access to everything in a QT and still thought somebody in there was scum?
I can think of somebody.
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I've already explained why. I really didn't like how the QT made him MORE sure Foolishness was scum somehow, when his posting it was the first thing that made me question it. Still highly unlikely Austin is scum, but since prp was likely town, marv is likely town, and marv is marv.
He don't make mistakes like that.
Also helps that my personal read leans towards VE scum.
Seems pretty simple to me.
You know what? I don't exactly feel like letting this go.
On May 06 2014 10:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 10:22 Ace wrote:On May 06 2014 10:18 austinmcc wrote:On May 06 2014 10:13 Ace wrote:
Lynch Palmar In addition to Foolishness? As opposed to Foolishness? Correct me if I'm way off here but is there any reason Foolishness is Scum that has anything to do with not being related to a QT? I've skimmed this thread and that's one of the dumbest reasons to lynch someone ever. BH was scum, so Foolishness was in a QT with him = Foolishness scum? The only reasons are non-QT related. QT stuff matters almost zero, BH adding him matters zero.- The SnB case doesn't read like town-foolishness
- Sandro scummy on Foolishness
- Foolishness made 0 attempt to ... lead take/take over/post much in the way of reads
- That same point x2 given how passive some of our days have been
- Scummy on oats, but doesn't think mafia worried about the D1 lynch (which was almost oats at one point), and instead of pushing oats pushes RoL. Goes through past games of SnB, prplhz, RoL, WoS, everyone except....oats. Just says oats is mafia for not posting, when MULTIPLE players say oats is not scummy, he's just oats-y. Foolishness, ye olde lover o' past games and meta reads, declines to comment AT ALL basically on oats's past games, whether this is oats-y behavior, and just half-ass wants to lynch him, except not as much as RoL, even when oats is being discussed heavily.
- Foolishness has essentially pushed SnB, prplhz (ish), oats, RebirthOfLegend, very very very likely Cephiro, and pretty likely JAT.
- Granted I think it was the first mislynch on him evah, but in Shadow Game Foolishness was ... pretty defensive. When folks turned their gaze on him hard, he was making cases, reading a bunch of past games of half the game, trying actively to solve things. Here, there's been mid-level scumspicion on him the whole time and he's done...not much/any of that, again, really 0 interest in trying to round people up and lead town really.
- Kinda just never ever PUSHING his reads. He's willing to consolidate on anyone D2, rather than actively trying to get any support for RoL. On D3 he drops one post on BH/Slam, and then there's nothing else.
- This is smelly only in hindsight, and only if Foolishness flips mafia, and really isn't scummy but it's just kind of neat if he's mafia
On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote:
I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles.
Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)?
Those are my reasons. JAT has also posted a couple things that I hadn't been looking at, a couple inconsistencies in his posting, like saying he wasn't going to claim QT stuff until the traitor died --> BH dies, flips traitor --> I'm not claiming QT stuff. The ONLY QT-related reasons to lynch him are basically that he's also not trying to wrangle up any control there, and while he and BH chatted a good bit on D1, he's not really trying to push BH towards RoL D2, not trying to push him towards Oats, really just ... not interested in arguing his reads within the QT, and lately not very interested in discussing anything. If that changes and we get to yappin', I'll say so.
How exactly does the QT matter zero where Foolishness was involved but it matters where VE is involved?
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On May 09 2014 11:37 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2014 11:28 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 09 2014 11:25 austinmcc wrote:
Like...you're saying
"I trust marv's read on VE more than yours" or "I trust marv more than you"
but in the case, what you'd ACTUALLY need to be thinking is
"I trust marv's read on VE, based on just what VE has put in thread, over your read and Foolishness's read, both of whom had access to everything that VE has posted this game AND I trust marv's read on VE, but his read on me is butt he should be reading me town because of x, not be all wishy washy on me"
(Or, I guess "I trust marv working with partial information over you and Foolishness working with full information AND I trust marv's VE read despite thinking his read on my should be different than what it is") You know who else had access to everything in a QT and still thought somebody in there was scum? I can think of somebody. Sure, but you know this isn't actually the argument you want it to be. I pushed him yesterday and voted for him, was wrong. That doesn't mean I'm wrong on VE. And you also KNOW Foolishness is town now, and he was townie on VE. So...it's not just me here. Just because i CAN be wrong with full information doesn't mean that full information doesn't lead to better reads than partial information. If you want to keep score, full information > partial information. austin + foolishness = 2 people, marv = 1 people, 2 people > 1 people. austin was wrong on foolishness. That's like 2:1 in favor of VE being town. That's TWICE as much. If he's mafia, he would have had to get TWO town PMs also (two is twice as much as one). AT THE VERY LEAST, YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU WERE KINDA WORRIED ABOUT SHOOTY MCGEE BALANCE? THAT TOWN MIGHT HAVE SLAM + POOFTER + JAT VIGIS AND SCUM MIGHT JUST HAVE WAVE? JUST IN TERMS OF BALANCE CRAP AND NOT AT ALL ABOUT POSTS, PLEASE TO SPECULATE FOR ME. WE HAVE 3 CONFIRMED VIGIS, 1 CLAIMED VIGI, 1 CLAIMED HERO. DO YOU THINK 3v1 (town v scum) VIGIS IS BALANCED IF SCUM HAS A HERO? DO YOU THINK THAT 2v2 WITH A TOWN HERO IS NICE AND HAPPY? PLEASE WORK THE HERO INTO YOUR VIGI SPECULATION AND JUST SPITBALL FOR ME HOW YOU THINK THOSE NUMBERS WORK/DON'T WORK
I don't even understand what you capsblasted at me just now, but I can see that you called me scum. Something you want to get at, honey?
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I wasn't pushing poofter when I was based on the role speculation. It was just some yummy icing. I'm not sure where VA fits into all that...speculation is just that, speculation. (Also remember we've had a claimed vig for...how many days now who hasn't shot when he's had more than ample opportunity for some very good ones. All he's done is threaten people all game with it.)
Also you didn't answer my question austin. I don't care about why you said that, or who you were answering. I want to know why the stuff in the QT doesn't have anything to do with why you call Foolishness scum and/or is completely non-indicative to you, and yet the stuff VE has done in the QT is very town-indicative.
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Ok let's just lynch lurkers then
May as well go out in style
I mislynch him every game but maybe this time I'll actually be right
##unvote
##Vote: gumshoe
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I was 100% waiting for this.
BRING US HOME MARV
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I was just about to say I have so many posts and so very little to say today.
Here ya go marv.
##donate 5 posts: marvellosity
Wave #1 town hero
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I would actually laugh if we lynched marv today. I certainly won't contribute to it 'cause dude's obvs townmarv but whateva. Sorry buddeh but it would be pretty hilarious.
I think I seriously wouldn't mind just lynching the shoe tonight. I think its high time for me to be wrong about him again.
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I know exactly what it is, VE, and its far more disconcerting to me that you feel the need to write an essay to try and tell me that.
Slam, I have actually really enjoyed your play this game. Especially that last post lol.
It seems dat dem scums have already won when all the townies just want to quit.
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Oh yeah VE. Terrified.
Just look at Palmar pushing a case against me like a coherent human being.
And you? You've all of a sudden developed a set of teeth after wallowing away in your last like 8 games and I'm all of a sudden supposed to be in awe of your brilliant play?
Please. If I were scum the only person I'd be terrified of is marv and even him I manage to put in my back pocket (or kill) before he can do shit to me.
You can do whatever the hell you want, I'm long past the poinr of caring. Games long over for me.
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On May 10 2014 05:17 marvellosity wrote:
jat, stfu if you won't just fucking shoot Ace. Christ.
He has literally been posturing with this fucking shot all game.
He does not have one.
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On May 10 2014 05:14 marvellosity wrote:
yeah, definitely don't lynch Wave this game. If he is mafia, I want him to win quite hard. *brofist*
So my list earlier was kinda incorrect. Wave and Slam should not be on the lynch list.
ace/ve/caller/poof good lynches. Palmar's a good lynch regardless of his alignment.
Town really shit the bed this game. A buttload of "illustrious" players casting around not playing. One good lynch through austin, and one cop check. One awful lynch on the monumentally townie s&b (sandroba: I am 99.9% sure s&b is town), one lynch on a town Foolishness making sense, and one lynch on prplhz who played one of his towniest games and a marvellosity who quite clearly read the whole thread, pulled things from all over it and gave detailed reasoning on every player.
It is actually amazing.
Also you better lynch me because I might smash through my post count limit, and having 5 posts tomorrow would be *so* boring.
4 posts left after this I think.
I fully accept blame for much of this honestly.
I should have actively fought the snb lynch harder specifically.
As for foolishness, all the guy had to do was fucking TALK to me because I was already questioning my scum read of him as soon as Austin posted the QT, but he chose not to so I'll only accept partial blame.
If people lynch you marv at the very least I'll know I did the right thing this time.
Why don't you come yolovote gumshoe with me? For funz?
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