You Only Shoot Once Mafia - Page 67

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

May 05 2014 15:24 GMT

#1321

And if VE/whoever is in there and there is substantial evidence that BH and Foolishness were discussing things in a way that suggests that BH genuinely read him town/Foolishness is not scum then it is HORRENDOUS play to refuse to bring it to the thread. I generally see no reason at all to be that secretive about it in the first place. What does scum gain from knowing who is in the qt? Nothing as long as you don't come out with roles or similar shit.
Besides that - like I already said - is there anyone who really thinks a traitor would try to make an all town qt? Seriously?

I am warning you right now. Foolishness is getting lynched today and if he is not because some cowards don't have the balls do to so then I will straight up shoot him.

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

May 05 2014 15:38 GMT

#1322

No, JAT, you won't.
We absolutely need him to flip---i get that you're all gungho on Foolishness scum and have rammed it down our throats all game, but for somebody who has withheld his shot so long and doesn't even want to eliminate people who don't vote and don't bother playing the game and are thus inconsequential, it disturbs me that you'd think shooting him is a good idea.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

May 05 2014 16:31 GMT

#1323

I think shooting him is a great idea, then we can lynch poofter.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 16:55 GMT

#1324

On May 06 2014 00:38 WaveofShadow wrote:
No, JAT, you won't.
We absolutely need him to flip---i get that you're all gungho on Foolishness scum and have rammed it down our throats all game, but for somebody who has withheld his shot so long and doesn't even want to eliminate people who don't vote and don't bother playing the game and are thus inconsequential, it disturbs me that you'd think shooting him is a good idea.

Town

On May 06 2014 01:31 Palmar wrote:
I think shooting him is a great idea, then we can lynch poofter.

Scum

When will folks see the light? Like it is right in front of you rubbing shoulders

Can ppl really be so dense or am I?

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

May 05 2014 17:07 GMT

#1325

Yes, I absolutely will.
If you want his flip you will have to lynch him with me today. Scum will never shoot him (because he is scum but they also wouldn't if he wasn't). Funny that you are saying we absolutely need his flip while voting a different guy. The way to have him flip is to fucking lynch him.
I would have shot day2 but austin didn't want me to. Now I see some people who don't bother (Ace, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, VE) but none of them strikes me as really scummy and I want to shoot scum if possible. So if you want me to shoot one of them give me a good reasoning for it and vote Foolishness and we can maybe work something out. I would love to shoot VA but he basically hardclaimed hero by now so I won't.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 17:41 GMT

#1326

JaT when pholks shuts the ears and sing "lalala can't hear you" I sing back "scumscumscum I won't hear you"

You know?

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

May 05 2014 17:47 GMT

#1327

On May 06 2014 02:41 Alakaslam wrote:
JaT when pholks shuts the ears and sing "lalala can't hear you" I sing back "scumscumscum I won't hear you"

You know?

That's nice! Maybe you should start a choir!

I want some info about this qt now. There is literally no reason to not give town information. Foolishness, do you think the people in the qt will get shot just for being in the qt? The "town circle" (lol)? While we have 2 confirmed townies AND austin running around? It seems like mafia has only 1 KP - they would need 3 (!) nights of successful shots before even considering shooting some poor dude for being in your awesome qt.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

May 05 2014 17:56 GMT

#1328

If anyone thinks I'm scum, you should try and push to lynch me today. I will only nominally be around to fight it, so it's your best shot of actually getting me lynched, and I prefer to be lynched than shot so people don't just assume I was scum or whatever later in the game. I need you to KNOW that I'm town when I die, so I want to die to the lynch rather than a bullet.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 17:59 GMT

#1329

Well. Palmar is scum for the plethora of reasons including the one in the post just above these. Ace likely scum for lmao-ing while pushing me for Yamato shot, he knows better and doesn't believe what he writes as he writes it, the novelty is so great he can't help but put some lol in his writing

VE I am actually null on

Caller is pushing the world as scum. Like 6 people or something. Markiplier type scum.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 18:00 GMT

#1330

On May 06 2014 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
If anyone thinks I'm scum, you should try and push to lynch me today. I will only nominally be around to fight it, so it's your best shot of actually getting me lynched, and I prefer to be lynched than shot so people don't just assume I was scum or whatever later in the game. I need you to KNOW that I'm town when I die, so I want to die to the lynch rather than a bullet.

I did once think you were scum, but for now I will let others push you & see what happens

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

May 05 2014 18:01 GMT

#1331

VE's been so spectacularly wrong all game that he couldn't be scum - because at some point VE would have made a play that does NOT directly implicate him, like being on the right side of maybe ONE lynch or something.

I can assure you that VE is town here.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

May 05 2014 18:14 GMT

#1332

The QT doesn't really matter. I'm posting Foolishness stuff from it mainly to get people to quit talking about it. It doesn't matter if it's outed, or if we all die, or anything like that, but I think that talk about QT, and scumhunting via QT, are not as advantageous to town as making people post about actual other stuff, who has done what that is scummy, and not what might or might not be true about a QT that might or might not exist.

Foolishness was added at the start of D1, before he'd done anything, this bit is true. BH added someone every night thereafter. On N1, they discussed who to add, BH decided on Sandroba. Said he added Sandroba, but was given another bite at the apple given Sandroba's dead-ness, and another person was added shortly thereafter. If true, it's an indicator that BH was not recruited on D1.

As far as relevant Foolishness stuff in there:

Palmar holding town hostage instictively town-palmar-y
Prplhz overreacted in the past as mafia when accused, not sold on prplhz but wants to poke and see what happens
Geript is geript-y
Cephiro's opening is townie, in line was past town openings
As far as snb voters go (this is still D1, no flip/no lynch yet), worried only about Palmar and SnB
Don't know anything about oats, is he a good lynch?
Unsure whether to be happy with snb voters or worried
Oats's past games don't match up with this one, either town OR scum
"Shape might be conclusive here because I cannot find anything of that shape when he's town. He has those kinds of posts when he's mafia.

Of course I'm not switching to Oats unless we really have to. But at the end of the day he might not be a bad lynch, and worth looking into tomorrow if he's still alive." <-------- Fool re: oats
This lynch doesn't feel like it was mafia pushed. Felt like town messing up. Will confirm later.
Foolishness suggests inviting me to QT N1 (I was not the invitee that night). Feels like I'm town at a glance, but hasn't looked into me hard.
Palmar likely town if he continues to play the game. If afk for all of D2, kill immediately. Coming in to just post reads (N1) while being under no pressure = townie. Palmar and Sandroba both probably town. Suggests sandroba being added to the QT, rather than Palmar or myself or someone else.
Start of D2: "I'm still not feeling the Palmar lynch, but I could be convinced otherwise. It bothers me that Ace is pushing it and not doing anything else. sandroba also said that Palmar is mafia (but he also said that I'm mafia).

I'm tempted to push on Oatsmaster to see how that transpires."
Wouldn't be upset on D2 if Caller or Palmar got lynched, but doesn't think either of them is the best option for town.
Ace feels open, not hiding anything, not pushing an agenda, would probably be trying harder to do something if he were mafia.
Mystery man asks Foolishness what he thinks about BH. Fool doesn't know, isn't worried about it.
Not in response to anything really specific, on D2: "Though Blazinghand, I do still think that thing on Oatsmaster really points to him being mafia.

And yeah I realize it's all heuristical hence I'm not doing anything about that particular point."
"Someone go in the thread and say that I'm town for:

1) posting reads and cases
2) responding to situations and not ignoring them
3) not being afk

Of which all my reads are not doing." (This actually feels minorly townie to me. I'm not used to seeing scum give out a press release on why they're town and ask folks to disseminate it). When asked why people should defend him, "Because the arguments hold more weight when someone else says them. I only care cause the votes were close and town will lose if they lynch me."
Wants to add me or poofter N2
Unsure why BH would think Ceph lying about cop claim? (Perhaps point in Fool's favor? If BH no recruited, town is assuming the check is golden, scum has no clue what's up because as far as they know ceph has checked town/town
Still worried about prplhz, but doesn't want to kill him D3/D4, is kinda interested in what I'm thinking about prplhz (when I'm posting that I think prplhz town for wanting to lynch outside slam/BH)
Foolishness and I have to argue with BH and explain how traitors work. lololol
Fool and I both confused at what BH tries to say about Cephiro maybe being a traitor, but failing to get recruited, trying to cover his butt with a made up cop check...seriously it made no/little sense. Nothing terribly important there though
Foolishness says he gets townie vibes from Gumshoe, including Gumshoe's big early D2 post where he votes oats and cases oats. I was initially very worried about that post, because I've never seen Gumshoe actually post cases and stuff in games, but apparently he's been posty in some and lurky in the ones we've played jointly. Foolishness generally finds gumshoe townie, refutes some points I make that the post may have been pre-written and a copy-paste error causes some of the wonky quote tags in the post.
"I'd be surprised if either JAT or poofter was mafia. Especially poofter given what happened on day 2."
When I pray to ABBA to safeguard me through the night, Foolishness notes that ABBA had my back

THE END

It's not been the most active QT. He was more active in it D1, early days, talked a decent bit with BH, has gone less posty recently. Unsure if weekend or sad about buddies. Generally, there was a small amount of anti-oats stuff, nothing that makes him super townie, not enough of it, and nothing where he's really trying to PUSH oats to the QT people. He was generally anti-BH yesterday, we were both confused at how BH was interpreted Cephiro's claim, at how the scenarios he was making up could ever be true (Cephiro traitor, guessed Slam and BH for mafia, was told that was incorrect and he failed to join mafia team ----> he fakeclaims cop and says one of those guys is mafia, thinking this will signal to the scumteam that he's the traitor, and will also get town to mislynch these people, stuff like that)

It exists. It's not magical. I don't THINK foolishness's posts in QT point, in particular, to any alignment.

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 18:14 GMT

#1333

VE can you shoot?

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 18:20 GMT

#1334

Austin

Blonde had my back

Because I was a pain in the ass

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

May 05 2014 18:25 GMT

#1335

lol, Foolishness wants to lynch RoL for days and there is nothing about that in there? No insight? No case? Nothing good on anyone else? This guy is mafia and we lynch him today. Seriously what is this?!

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 18:59 GMT

#1336

Oh

Rol you are wiser than I that's for sure.

I hope there are more martyrs

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 19:01 GMT

#1337

JAT dude the qt probably contains the martyrs or some other sensitive info. Back off on that.

Foolishness is town.

justanothertownie

16326 Posts

May 05 2014 19:09 GMT

#1338

On May 06 2014 04:01 Alakaslam wrote:
JAT dude the qt probably contains the martyrs or some other sensitive info. Back off on that.

Foolishness is town.

I have no idea why you think there would be more martyrs or why that would be in the qt. And I have SERIOUSLY no idea why you think what austin posted makes Foolishness town. Look, I trust austin so I will work with what he gave us and shut up about the qt. Fact is - there is obviously nothing in there that makes Foolishness town. Look at Catastrophe or Shadow game and pay attention to the cases Foolishness gives in those game. How much work, point of view explanation and detail is in there. How correct he was about many things in both games day1.
Then look at this game.
Then put your vote where it fucking belongs.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

May 05 2014 19:24 GMT

#1339

On May 06 2014 04:09 justanothertownie wrote:

Show nested quote +

What I wrote out is what's there. It doesn't make him town, no. It doesn't make him auto-mafia. To me, it was kinda meh either way, and I wanted to see who was super duper concerned with the QT over anything else. I know I'm in it so I see things differently, but to me he/others are scummy or not for stuff that's in the thread already, and anyone who was just sitting around going "GIV QT" with nothing more was someone I wanted to maybe look at more.

Also, slam has been town on Fool I believe since before the QT. Afaik, that's "fool is town" and not "fool is town b/c of QT stuff."

Alakaslam

United States17336 Posts

May 05 2014 19:38 GMT

#1340

That is correct.

I think Ace or palmar are scum, but not both. So my vote is on one of them

As far as why, I restate:

Ace made a statement as if I had made a scumslip because I stated that my shot on Yamato was a mistake (does anyone doubt that? Really?) He even had an attitude that seems like he was laughing as he wrote it because it was all so convenient how I set myself up for mislynch. Immediately a few folks glomed onto it in a way I found scummy, but not as scummy as the initial pointing out because of blatant "Hey look, vet- let's sheep" mentality. But that is OMGUS I guess

Palmar is constantly pushing for things like taking shots, and pushing random people and not playing much. He pardoned Prplhz not because that was anti town, but because he was up for lynch- at the time, that was anti town. But from a townie mindset, however I am a strong supporter of WIFOM as scum. That is a great example; to play the insulted townie and use a power against town. I did this in a scumgame to great effect even though it essentially condemned me. (curse of Alakaslam kept me alive another day though

) It doesn't matter that this helped town slightly, since 1) a town got lynched anyway and 2) it is about perception building, not actual advances. It is like Day9 once found. The marginal advantage > leaps and bounds, this would be especially true in mafia where excessive mafia progress can start outing them.

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