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Sweet. Been waiting forever to post this...fucking used up all my posts like a derp.
On May 05 2014 07:00 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2014 06:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
So here's the deal Foolishness.
It appears as though I'm not going to be able to keep the raving masses from putting your head in a noose tomorrow, so my suggestion to you is to reveal details about your QT. Specifically, who else was recruited with you. If you can't do that, I'm afraid I and everyone else has no choice but to assume you are scum and you will be lynched.
There was once a time where I would be considered for night kill; sadly I fear this time is long past but just in case people need to look into (and by look into I mean lynch with cleansing fire) Poofter. Even if people have found him somewhat towns in some way, think about pure role speculation. We have had a mafia dayvig flip, and we know of two confirmed town dayvigs. Is the more likely scenario to have three town vigs to scum's 1? Unlikely IMO. Poofter is scum 95% (I can't give that marv guarantee no matter how good I feel).
Palmar and caller are worth looking into with some scrutiny as well. You assume I'm scum if I don't reveal that information? Why would I reveal information like that that's only going to benefit the mafia? I'm sure everyone remaining in that QT is town so there's no way I'm handing the mafia the town circle.Also you're assuming based off what information? That you don't "like" my posts this game? That you don't like that I pushed a mafia lynch and pushed the traitor to be lynched? You say that I made a bad case on day 1 and that's enough to override everything else I've done? Also is it enough to override not killing say in the group of RoL, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, Ace all of which are guilty of doing nothing this game? Because all I see is that you want to kill off the active members of the town and just leave the inactive players sitting. How well has that worked out for town's in past games (re: it never works)? Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of: JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason! Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z. JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted! I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're making assumptions about a player being mafia based on feelings and not liking their post and just ignoring all the other things they've done for the town then you're definitely not playing mafia. So congratulations on not reading.
Hey Foolishness, surely you remember this post of yours?
On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote:
I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles.
Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)?
Your move.
The night kill doesn't go unnoticed, I fully take into account thsi could be a frame attempt, but needless to say if you think you can look down your nose at other people in this game based on shady dealings of a QT we've seen nothing of and no results from, and a 'push' on Oats which was all of one post long, you've got another thing coming, good sir.
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The reason Blazinghand wouldn't post it would be if he was Unrecruited and thought he was town.
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Foolishness
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There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have
1) Been already revealed.
2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town.
##Vote: Palmar
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Wow that looks empty with no context
Someone asked if the QT would only benefit scum, why didn't BH just post it.
K think. If he was scum scum already know. If he was unaware he was scum, then he was playing from a townie mindset.
Hijole
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On May 05 2014 12:19 Foolishness wrote:
There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have
1) Been already revealed.
2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town.
##Vote: Palmar
Though I agree, why palmar?
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why would a mafia be so hesitant to divulge it though? I feel like they always panic and just give you watever you want. its usually town that is stubborn like this. id much rather go the palmar/caller route then foolishness they seem a lot sketchier.
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And JAT if you weren't lying about your shot, shoot Ace imo. If the hosts won't remove him from the game we may as well.
And on the note of talking about vigis,
On May 05 2014 07:06 Foolishness wrote:
JAT and tehpoofter are very likely town. There's little reason to doubt any of their actions this game.
You're mad at poofter for shooting his suspect? After he:
1) Pushed his shot repeatedly in the thread.
2) Made multiple cases about why his shot was mafia.
3) Has constantly been giving reads and pushing suspects in the thread.
4) Wanted to shoot Oats but believed that Oats flip would give town valuable information about the votes.
Until someone posts a nice big case about why poofter is mafia he is not up for lynch and will not be considered in the slightest.
Also the theory that mafia have day vigi shots so poofter is likely mafia because he confirmed having a shot is bogus. You know what mafia is probably doing? Waiting until there's like 11 players alive and if they have 4 members up just cap 3 people and auto-win. What a smart way to win instead of ya know randomly shooting during the day and drawing attention to yourself.
Unless we're not playing mafia of course.
You don't get to decide this. Unless of course you have something different to offer. Any reason why you seem to think the game is balanced if town get 4 dayvigs? Are you assuming scum only have the one in Oats and maybe a second we don't know of or something, or that there are fucking 7-8 dayvigs running around this game?
Your points as to why poofter is town do not hold water except for #2. All of the others are EXACTLY what a mafia dayvig would attempt to do to try and justify what he did if he wasn't planning on listening to anyone telling him not to shoot from the start? The fact that this is not obvious to you again detracts points from you.
Have you ignored Poofter's latest post in the thread which practically screamed scum to everyone in the thread as he wished and washed and said 'welp, hmm, I guess maybe BH is scum and I guess maybe I'll vote him and sheep JAT and forego all blame but SLam totes defs scum guise.'
Like I really don't get at all where you're coming from this game, so again if you're working with information the rest of town doesn't have, maybe you should let the rest of us in on it so we can stop being 'wrong.'
##Vote: TehPoofter
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WoS, why do you assume this is a frame attempt? Isn't it far more likely that he protected the right person? And yeah look Foolishness lynch target just flipped town...
On May 05 2014 07:00 Foolishness wrote:
Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of:
JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason!
Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z.
JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted!
This is just blatant lying.
I have to wonder Foolishness. Why do you assume that people in a TRAITOR RECRUITED QT are all town? Seems pretty far fetched to me, especially since the townier people like austin, WoS, prplhz, Cephiro, me do not seem to be a part of it.
On May 05 2014 10:52 austinmcc wrote:
People who wanted to straight up lynch Foolishness instead of BH/slam seem unlikely to be mafia, given that mafia could essentially guarantee 2 mislynches, or at very least 1 mislynch and 1 traitor kill (they know neither BH/slam is mafia mafia, just let town lynch one and then the other). It seems like too big an opportunity for scum to pass up at all. You can split yourselves on BH/slam if you're worried about all being on one side, but KNOWING that neither is mafia mafia means FREE MISLYNCHES to the mafia team. I don't see mafia passing up FREE MISLYNCHES in order to try and push Foolishness. Super especially if Fool is mafia, then prplhz is 200000% cleared (Hi there, I'd like to lynch this dude, who is mafia, instead of FREE MISLYNCHES).
This is bad logic in my opinion. I don't disagree with the prplhz townread but your reasoning for that is awful. You assume that scum really thought Cephiro had to be the traitor which is a bold assumption. If they didn't then trying to lynch outside the checks is a really mafia oriented play. Of course prplhz is likely town if Foolishness is scum but that's also the case without this reasoning.
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On May 05 2014 12:19 Foolishness wrote:
There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have
1) Been already revealed.
2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town.
##Vote: Palmar
We have zero proof this QT even exists because there is no corroboration from any other townies. For all we know if you and BH are both scum and he guessed right and got recruited (hell, even if he didn't) he may not have recruited anyone else and you are lying. You're so worried about mafia getting info from this QT, but all I personally ask is some proof that IT EXISTS, AND THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS IN IT. If you're SUPER worried about other info being released, then don't release it, but right now surely you must realize that hiding it makes absolutely zero sense right now.
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WoS does have a point about banks.
But then shooting further
I think shooting period is scummy.
It denies town a lot of info. I hadn't thought about that when I did because
Well
Do you think I was thinking or do you think my knee jerked?
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On May 05 2014 12:23 prplhz wrote:
omfg don't shoot ace
I don't think I will. No worries.
##Vote: Foolishness
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Oh yeah he is martyr
So he probably
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HIJOLE I will do my best then
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On May 05 2014 12:26 justanothertownie wrote:I don't think I will. No worries. ##Vote: Foolishness
I think you live up to your name.
But I still just don't see it about foolishness being scum. I just don't atm. I dunno maybe I will try to find a more complete case on him?
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For the record, I am not in the QT.
I don't know if town should try and out the qt like this though.
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On May 05 2014 12:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote:
I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles.
Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)? Your move.
How did I not notice this before. Foolishness asking Cephiro for information about traitor when mafia knows traitor is between his checks and him. Coincidence? I don't think so.
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Maybe I think the people in the QT are town because gee I don't know I'm in a QT with them?
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On May 05 2014 12:19 Foolishness wrote:
There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have
1) Been already revealed.
2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town.
##Vote: Palmar
On May 05 2014 12:47 Foolishness wrote:
Maybe I think the people in the QT are town because gee I don't know I'm in a QT with them?
You are being extremely unhelpful right now. I don't know why you have such a hardon for doing things your own way instead of acquiescing and actually helping town win a game.
No acknowledgement or understanding of why we are having difficulty believing you (which, by the way, I would honestly think a towny in your position would have if you wanted to keep playing by your own rules), no reasoning for your vote on Palmar---and if you expect people to simply listen to you and vote for him despite being wrong on RoL, I would think you should give us more than what you offered. SHouldn't a townie be trying to push his lynch through instead of sitting back and watching other people push the objectively wrong lynches in his opinion?
Look at what you've offered on Palmar thus far:
On Palmar:
I am not opposed to lynching him because he's clearly not reading the game:
On April 27 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote:
Turns out playing with a post restriction isn't that bad at all, normally I'd throw all these in seperate posts but it's not awful to have to think ahead and combine comments.
1. @BH: I was kinda hoping I'd die so I could just check out and yell at people postgame. Your suggestion involves effort. Not sure I'll put in much effort over this weekend.
2. prplhz is now looking townie. I didn't actually read foolishness' case on him but I figured I'd fuck with town by pardoning him if people wanted to lynch him. Now I'm afraid I didn't really fuck with town. What I should have done is pardon fucking Caller so we would be forced to shoot him today.
3. geript is town hero, I'm probably just sheeping him today if I cba putting in effort.
##vote strongandbig
Considering my case was all of one line long I'm not sure what game he is playing, but it's definitely not this one. To be honest I'm not completely sold on him being mafia and I don't know what his apathetic behavior is more indicative of. I do not expect Palmar to start putting effort into this game at this rate. Hence better to kill him sooner rather than later.
On April 28 2014 12:34 Foolishness wrote:
I think Caller is the "anti-town" person you need to be worried about Ace, not Palmar.
2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard.
I'm just going to change my Palmar read status to: "I don't know". Thought he was town, but maybe not cause he had that bad post where he gave a bunch of reads day 1. Thought he was town again, but him dying would answer a lot of questions I think. I don't know. Would not bat an eye if he died.
What I learned is that we should be killing RebirthOfLegend, Palmar, and Caller.
Essentially you now simply advocate lynching into a group of lurkers/unknowns (you keep mentiong Caller/RoL/Palmar and then you add gumshoe) just so we avoid lynching active posters. Why the fuck would I want to simply lynch into coinflips when I have much better proof on other people/ You have offered absolutely nothing of any substance and until you do, you will not be receiving any support from me.
Ultimately I'll have to decide if what you're doing is anti-town and glaringly scum enough for me to want to lynch you at the end of the day. Right now I'm still up to giving you a shot but you seem to not want to take it.
Austin, when you read this, do you know what Foolishness-scum is like?
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On May 05 2014 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote:
why would a mafia be so hesitant to divulge it though? I feel like they always panic and just give you watever you want. its usually town that is stubborn like this. id much rather go the palmar/caller route then foolishness they seem a lot sketchier.
Oh and VA? Reasoning for this is as I said earlier, if the QT was only him and BH to begin with, and/or contains only scum, then obviously Foolishness isn't going to give up any other names. Actually now I'm definitely wondering if the above isn't true---I could totally see him expecting people to try and lynch him today and having another scum-member 'corroborate' at the end of the day to try and force a no-lynch or some sort of chaos. I dunno that may be a stretch.
LOL and you know, strike what I said about the NK being a frame from the record too. Was almost certainly a protect and RoL died. Can't see any reason at all why scum would shoot him over someone actually playing the game.
lol I'm probably going to need extra posts today 
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