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On May 06 2014 10:10 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 09:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright let's see here.
Austin, I suppose if you were trying to trap those who have been tunneling Foolishness or something, alright, but what have you got to show for waiting and wasting my time? I don't really appreciate you not setting me straight. I mean I appreciate the QT info, but you really just had to say you were in there. (Now of course this could be one epic as fuck scumplay from you---if anybody could do it, it would be you but I think at this point I'd be willing to lose to you if you pulled something like this and essentially faked an entire QT or something.)
Can we talk a little plz? Who do you want lynched today, and why?
Now Foolishness I'd appreciate the answering of a few questions if possible.
1) Like JAT says, there are a few cruicial reads missing---where are your reads on me/RoL from that QT considering you were attempting to push us to some degree D1?
2) What from the information that Austin released was so absolutely crucial to your 'circle' that you couldn't release any of it?
Unrelated---I'm wondering now if one of the original shots wasn't on scum. If there has been a successful protect the past couple nights I can't imagine they had two shots (unless they had only 1 KP from the start I guess...).
I still want Poofter lynched right now, and until somebody offers me something better he is who I will be pushing.
3) This isn't a question but can you do something today so I can feel justified in not lynching you beyond the stuff Austin said?
What have I got for wasting your time? My whole thing is that no time was wasted, but I understand we feel differently there. I'd rather we be looking at non-QT crap, cuz the QT has jack all. And BH would have been pure claiming scum if he didn't invite me, because of the oats lynch + everyone calling me townie + protective roles SAYING they'd target me. You HAVE to add that person, imo. I honestly assumed that everyone would assume I was in there. Also, my recent scumplay has been a far cry from epic. I want to lynch Foolishness. I do not want to lynch poofter today. Foolishness more likely scum, Foolishness more info/connections. Time to de-foo the scumteam. Nobody being particularly active means no trapping, there doesn't seem to be any desire from anyone to ever formulate other reads except to check in every 72 hours, say someone is mafia, and dip. Why poofter over foolishness?
Cephiro, I guess don't reveal who you checked last night, but I would personally <3 if you looked into the group of Ace/Caller/palmar/VA/Poofter. With probably a preference towards...ace/palmar/VA. All checks valid, no checks not accepted, and you may or may not die tonight, so ... maybe we get successful checks, maybe no.
Surely you must have something better to go on that makes him scum from the QT, no?
Why do YOU want Foolishness lynched? If you had to sum it up in a few short points?
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On May 06 2014 13:36 Foolishness wrote:Oh the stuff about the mason QT has already been answered by Blazinghand. Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 01:48 Blazinghand wrote:
One of the two of us is a Mason Recruiter. We began speaking at the start of D1, and have continued to do so. There's a 3rd person in the QT who was added for D2. You're a donkey. Show nested quote +On May 04 2014 12:02 Hapahauli wrote:Night 3: Blazinghand (Recruiting-Mason//Traitor) has been lynched!Night ends in . All players have 5 posts. A fourth person was added the previous day. Now that Blazinghand is dead the QT no longer gets members (mod confirmed) so it's just us 3 talking in there. Personally, I don't see any reason to reveal who the other two members are because I think they are both town and revealing that information is giving the mafia shiny targets to shoot at. But at the same time I'm not terribly opposed to it, so if the other member(s) want to reveal themselves that's their decision.And as I stated, I've been through that QT since the start and have been through it multiple times. If there was information in there that was important to the town (like say night action results or something) or something in there that incriminated someone (let's say another member in the QT was horribly opposed to the Oatsmaster lynch) then that information would already be out there, either by me or someone else. Really you guys are making mountains out of molehills, and letting mafia sit back and do nothing (again). Why not kill the people that aren't contributing to the town and are clearly apathetic? I've already spent posts responding to JAT and WoS and I'm not going to waste time or take up space beating a dead horse by arguing them. You can look through my filter to see what I've said. If someone else has a big point that needs answering then say so and quote it and I'll respond (like Ace just did now).
Please.
In the depths of the scum QT:
'Oh shit guys! Austin just revealed himself as part of the infamous TOWN CIRCLE!'
'Hey that's right! Wait, hold on a second. Is he on our team?'
"I dunno, let's check.'
3 hours later......
'Nope guys, he hasn't posted in our scum QT and I just started reading the game and found out that the traitor is dead so I don't think he's part of our team!'
'Does that mean we can shoot him?'
'Well hold on, let's take an inventory here. Who have we been shooting at so far?'
'Well correct me if I'm wrong but I think our goal is to shoot at town, right?'
'Yes, go on....'
'And as such we have to shoot at members who look pretty townie and are very helpful so the members of town don't lynch us, right?'
'Yes, I like where you're going with this....'
'Well so far I think we've tried to shoot at Austin a bunch of times, right?'
'Well I dunno. He has been pretty townie-looking, and pretty active in thread.'
'Yes, but now that he's revealed himself to be a part of the TOWN CIRCLE!, we can totally shoot him!'
'Hey guys, but didn't you just say we've already been shooting at him? Why does his being in the TOWN CIRCLE! change anything?'
'Shut up, noob! We know what we're doing!'
End Scene
Sorry Foolishness. The 'play dumb' card just isn't going to fly anymore. You start playing for real now, or like I said, you're probably going to be lynched whether or not I have anything to say about it.
(And as an aside, to think you've responded to everything that JAT and I have brought against you is just assinine. You're not going to waste posts responding? WTF have you even done today? Are you running out of posts all of a sudden with your fabulous case on Palmar?)
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Austin, does scum Foolishness purposefully play useless and antagonistic like this in thread (but semi-useful in QT)?
On May 06 2014 13:24 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2014 11:12 Ace wrote:
Foolishness can answer that when he gets back. If not or the answer is trash I'll vote him tomorrow. Not gonna filter dive when there are basketball games to watch. What am I answering? It might help for you to quote it, because there are some people who are on my ignore list.
Shit like this certainly isn't going to help him not get lynched---I'm really trying to figure out what he's trying to accomplish here but for the life of me I can't. He's pissing me off, and I want to lynch him but I don't feel great about this.
And yet....and yet there's just an insane amount of scummy things he's done this game as brought up by basically everyone, but his QT behaviour if you're telling the truth really paints him in a townie light. If he's scum is everything he said in there fabricated? Does that make sense?
Ugh.
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On May 06 2014 20:26 Tehpoofter wrote:@WoS I read your case on me what about my last post was super scummy? Does the fact that BH flipped traitor make your case stronger or weaker in your opinion? Also how do you feel about my Koshi shot? Why bring up that one of the early shots might have been on scum but then immediately say I'm still mafia? Does that mean that you think Yamato was scum shot by slam? @austin Thanks for the breakdown of the QT I think this makes foolish look really townie and I really don't see a scum team going all in on a single QT. I also understand reasons for not saying the names of others in the QT. I want to say though if you have info about how/when those persons in the QT were recruited and who pushed for them I think it might be valuable to the thread especially since I think Foolish is town. Did BH give other suggestions on recruits? I saw that you said Foolish was looking at me or you. Good to see that WoS has finally decided to play. I think its important to look at who is really putting forth effort in the thread atm and seeming excited. People like WoS and to a lesser extent Palmer have come out of the shadows and starting posting much more after 2 straight scum lynches. This reads townier for me on them because I'm excited that were kicking ass the past two days and hopefully can hit another one today. (Although looks like donkies are voting foolishness so I won't hole my breath) Towniest Town: Tehpoofter, Ceph, Austin. Slam
Town circle: WoS JaT Foolish Slightly Town: Palmer Lurkers that made a big case on mafia and havent done shit else this game: Gumshoe Slightly scummy: Va, Caller
Scummers: Ace, Prphlz, VeI really think we're making a mistake hitting Foolish here the QT stuff seems like good info to me from austin. I think that Foolish was the other lynch to Oats day 2 and we know his alignment. I feel like scum is probably lurking/dejected after two straight lynches Foolish doesn't seem like that in his readings. We should be voting people like Ace who hasnt done shit all day maybe he does have real life things going on but he literally has just been pushing lynching Palmer and thats it. Like reading his short filter its no cases on Palmer just lets lynch him!!! Prphlz wanted to kill Foolish yesterday and has been riding this train with JaT since day 2. For me I think that the scenario here is town Jat is wrong about Foolishness and Prphlz has been pushing this agenda with him while letting JaT do all the leg work. I would love to hear from you Prphlz more on who else could be scum minus Foolish? VE: This feels exactly like Ve's game as traitor last game in Catastrophe to me. He just comes in talks about how town he is and how man hes so town like that shit does nothing for me at all. Not to mention he made this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi everyone! So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro. Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did. Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo. Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:07 Cephiro wrote:On April 29 2014 07:04 geript wrote:On April 29 2014 07:01 Cephiro wrote:
Mason group please recruit me. That's all for tonight. You've made what... 1 post. Fuck that idea. Vigi shoot Ceph. That will solve the problem. Now I've made two. There is no "problem". A vig shot on me would be a waste with much better targets around. No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more. My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so. Before Ceph's claim basically I think he named 3 town. He also doesn't try to push these reads really at any point during that day. Yesterday he voted on Slam and never really pushed this read at all either. I feel like Ace, Prphlz, Ve are playing lazy games and I feel like scum is playing a lazy game. VA gets on the list for basically claiming a role non chalantly and playing this super weird game that seems off to me. He hasn't died at night either after basically announcing hes an unknown role Why would scum not try to kill him? Caller did that weird thing on Palmer day one and has kinda checked out I gave him town points for that but (without looking) I don't know a single one of Caller's reads off the top of my head. 1st post of day.
What the fuck 'finally decided to play?'
I was instrumental in GETTING BH lynched in the first place. I didn't just start doing shit after he flipped. What have YOU done exactly? Fuck that noise.
As far as the shots are concerned, IF one of the scum was shot by you or slam, I firmly believe it had to have been yamato., No way in hell was Koshi scum, and no way in hell is Slam scum. The two thoughts work perfectly well, but my case on you being scum is in no way reliant on that anyway. It seems as though you can likely breathe easy though for another day because Foolishness is going to be lynched today no matter what happens.
Also highly HIGHLY doubt prplhz is scum atm. Same goes for VA and I'm pretty sure you should know why on that one as well.
I don't hate this post nearly as much as that other one of yours, but it's real easy to do absolutely nothing, come back and vomit some reads and slink back into the shadows because everyone is ignoring you. I expect you to USE your posts today, and start interacting with people if you're not scum.
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Thanks for the posts, but remember who else donated me posts in the hopes they'd get me off their back?
BH.
Don't toss a townread at me and throw posts at me because you think all of a sudden I'm townie, that should probably have been evident almost from the start of the game, though I can suppose I can forgive you if it wasn't.
Oh wtf as I type this I looked and apparently prplhz was banned....?
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On May 07 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
WoS, it's called your bad at this game.
I've officially run out of motivation and stopped caring. Your game to throw not mine. Just read the cases that have been made and hopefully you can make things work out in the end.
I'm sorry dude, but this is pitiful. Take responsibility for your own actions. Hell I'm not even voting for you yet and somehow you're ready to pin an entire game on me.
##unvote
##vote: foolishness
I'm tempted to formulate a switch to palmar later but honestly right now I have no reason to beyond 'herp he's not doing stuff' which could be said about 70% of the people in this game. I'm sure lynching each and every lurker would turn out well for us.
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Very very tempted atm.
Do we even have enough people to switch? I hope mods don't plan on counting prplhz in the majority right now because as is we may no-lynch
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On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI This is no joke btw. We super lynch poof if fool is town.
I'm more inclined to lynch you and then super lynch Fool if you flip town. Hell, JAT can even shoot him.
Problem with lynching in general is we need VE/gumshoe/Cephiro all to show up.
I do so love when people sign up for mafia and play games.
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On May 07 2014 08:35 justanothertownie wrote:
WoS, why the hell are you doing this? You can't possibly have a strong scumread on Palmar by the way you are posting and you were really scummy on Foolishness earlier. If you make this a no lynch or a Palmar lynch and the guy flips town first thing I do tomorrow is shooting you no questions asked. Wtf dude. Scum is giving up, rolling over for us to lynch him AND YOU WANT TO SWITCH? WHAT THE FUCK?!
PEOPLE GET ON FOOLISHNESS RIGHT NOW. Do NOT shit the bed here.
I am off and I swear to all that is holy that my bullet will be put into the head one of you guys if you fuck this up.
Right now it's a no-lynch anyway in case you haven't realized. Disappearing until tomorrow if you want a flip today is probably a bad idea. Also I don't respond to threats, and I'm pretty sure the way you've been ranting and slavering away all game, I doubt anyone else will either. Whatever happens will happen despite you it seems.
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Oh are you EU? Meh. Drop the attitude, JAT. It isn't making anybody want to join your cause. As you can see it didn't work for Foolishness either. As I said, whatever happens is going to happen despite your presence or lack thereof, and I don't even know if there's anything I can do depending on who is around for the next few hours. People who sign up and don't play a game is absolute bullshit, and in this game it's even more punishing because we have to deal with no-flips in the case of modkills.
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On May 07 2014 08:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah, the noflip modkills really fucking suck.
Attitude or not it is baffling to me how you are toying with the idea to switch off a person you are scummy on to a wagon with much less votes and scummy people on it while being afraid of a no lynch. It makes no sense and it makes me angry when we have the opportunity to kill Foolishness who basically claimed scum today.
Sorry if I am going overboard and I really don't mean it in any personal way but what is going on here right now looks like pure stupidity to me if you guys are town.
The point is, there are things in Foolishness' play that give me pause, and they should give you pause too. It worries me that despite interaction with Foolishness in the QT, Austin is somehow MORE sure now of his alignment than before, when even I was sure he was scum. No, as much as you want to call it that, Foolishness did not 'claim scum.' It's entirely possible he is telling the truth and is frustrated at being targeted basically all game when in his mind he has been nothing but useful/helpful. I've seen it before and I'm sure I'll see it again. It's frustrating to ME that you have done absolutely nothing this entire game but tunnel him into oblivion without even once considering other options or possibilities. That's not good townie play.
Objectively, you're probably right and I think the most likely lynch we're going to get is Foolishness today but I don't feel fantastic about it.
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On May 07 2014 08:58 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 07:53 VayneAuthority wrote:
austin foolishness has pretty much the same reads as me so I have no reason to lynch him. If he flips scum then I will just follow you guys the rest of the game but I still have a little dignity. Everyone seems to forget that palmar threatened to play anti-town and then didnt die to that fake nuke and that caller was the one that shot it. anyone that thinks this is not 2 fuckers fucking around is blind imo, pretty sure they are both mafia. What are the reads? Cuz as best I can tell, he's got enough town that you likely end up at the tail end of his scumlist. I get the palmar/caller thing, but the summation of your thoughts on foolishness is "he has PRETTY MUCH the same reads as me", with no further detail, and no explanation of where you guys disagree?
Show nested quote +I read this and felt like a lot of the stuff he was saying was pretty neutral and/or requires the knowledge of other's alignments i.e. Palmer/Caller/Ace/Prphlz to be town. I did however feel like the bolded parts stood out to me and found the point I underlined the most interesting as austin you made the big thing about how Foolishness didn't research Oats' games when the underlined part makes it seem like he did at least look through them and didn't see similarities (obviously he could fake that and just say he did to seem neutral but why not give a position) The thing is that (assuming what you posted was chronological order) He went from I'm unsure on Oats to talking about his past games and they don't match up. To me that shows a townie thought train of hmm I don't know about x better go research him. If he didn't find anything conclusive it also explains why he didn't express his views in the thread cause what good is that info? Look at what he does with SnB, prplhz, or people in past games. He pulls from multiple games, generally creating a full idea of what someone plays like. With oats, his QT posts are: Show nested quote +I'm looking through Oatsmaster's game. This game looks neither like his town nor his mafia play.  those are both D1. Nothing about oats's stuff ever brought to thread though, and that was it. No more posts in QT about his meta. Nothing in the game about his meta. I don't see "hey here's a single post and a single post" as equivalent to what I think of when I think of Fool looking at someone's past games. There are...NO conclusions there except "eerily similar", there was NO checkup on whether people who said "oats = oats" had merit, etc. If you read just the text of those posts, you go "Foolishness says he's looking into oats!" But there's nothing in thread. There's no analysis, no conclusions, anywhere. Especially in a game where I had a hard time convincing people that this looked like mafia oats and not "oats", it is ... off ... to me that the above is ALL we've got, ESPECIALLY if Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if he was almost the D1 lynch and Foolishness thought he was scum, and ESPECIALLY if Foolishness was the secondary lynch candidate AND oats was almost the D1 lynch AND Foolishness thought he was scum. If you're town and Foolishness is scum, you're going wrong because you're not drawing a complete picture of Foolishness, you're valuing little things he says in a QT over what's in thread, you're looking at some things and you're not looking for CONCLUSIONS and ACTIONFOOLISHNESS.
Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:On May 07 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI This is no joke btw. We super lynch poof if fool is town. I personally think this is 100% wrong.
Austin where was all this stuff when JAT and I were discussing Foolishness days ago?
As far as preflip associations go btw I'd be more sure of a Foolishness red flip if we were sure Palmar is town. Not quite sure why Poofter and Foolishness are inextricably linked, Palmar.
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Alright Austin I feel better about lynching him. Just know that if he flips town you yourself may be in trouble, despite your early Oats push.
On May 07 2014 09:06 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 09:00 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar has good reads this game. Oats/BH were both scumreads (granted BH was traitor) and Foolishness is in there too. No way in hell I will be voting him. Also marv/rayn meta on Palmar says he is town. Idgaf Palmar is most likely town Palmar afaik. lol please read thug life mafia. he bussed his entire team and trolled just like this. the similarities are actually astounding
He trolled like this in LXI too where he was one of like 8 cops or some shit.
Vayne I really don't want a no-flip right now, can I get you to switch? A foolishness flip will really help us get a better read of basically everyone in the end anyway has the entire game has sort of revolved around him for way too long. Hell that's a good reason to flip him on its own.
Slam switch back pls kthx. I do feel the urge for shenannies but we have a lot of the towniest people on Foolishness right now so at least you can feel good about that.
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On May 07 2014 09:32 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 09:26 austinmcc wrote:On May 07 2014 09:18 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 07 2014 09:15 austinmcc wrote:21 What are the reads? Cuz as best I can tell, he's got enough town that you likely end up at the tail end of his scumlist.
I get the palmar/caller thing, but the summation of your thoughts on foolishness is "he has PRETTY MUCH the same reads as me", with no further detail, and no explanation of where you guys disagree? For this exact moment, I don't care if you're going to afk and do very little all game. But i WOULD like to know what "foolishness has pretty much the same reads as me so I have no reason to lynch him" means. What are the reads you agree with/disagree with? What ARE foolishness's reads? Do you know them? Regardless of whether you feel this On May 07 2014 09:08 VayneAuthority wrote:
You are basing a scumread off some one's position on oats. who actually wants to take a stance on oats one of the most erratic players lol. I just ignored him all game and then he died, thats what you do with oats.
I'd still actually like to know why you feel the way you feel about Foolishness. (Also I totally want to take stances on oats, he's not unreadable AT ALL (you can join folks in reading thug life for that, lol)) isn't thuglife where we had some one shoot oats because he was really scummy then he was town? that doesnt help. 22 gonna hold off posting more for a moment. People not posting, would be nice of you to donate some to JAT or myself, <3<3 Thug Life was austin keeps ranting that oats is town, oats WOULD have been lynched on like D4 or D5, but got cop checked overnight as town. Mr. Cheesecake in particular was pushing him for the next day and that was the main way he outed himself as mafia. Oats isn't unreadable. I can't claim to know his alignment 100% every game, but I've had a good track record of being correct any time I actually have a strong feeling on him. I dunno that I could teach you how to oatsread like I could teach you how to Dougie, however. VA, I ... don't like that. Shocker. You're okay with Foolishness because of his reads from the start of D2. Of those 4 reads, 2 guys are dead (and he was 1 and 1), 2 are alive. And he doesn't APPEAR to be scummy on WoS anymore, although he hasn't explicitly said as much (see his posts referencing WoS). You're not at all troubled that "Foolishness's Reads", which you may like, are found at the start of D2, and he's basically put in less effort since then, despite town pushing itself further and further into a good position? you are asking me to be a hypocrite, I am rarely in a position as town to tell people to try harder. Could foolishness try harder to not get lynched if he's town? obviously. am I in a position to scold him? lol nope. I wouldn't give a shit either if i was getting lynched when I was somewhat playing the game when people that I won't name are currently in this game playing as pacman villains
Which is why I've been asking people to shoot into those guys for fucking ages and yet nobody wants to. I don't want to waste an entire day and a lynch on that shit. Fucking figures a game with 80 vigs and I don't get a shot. Still never been a vig in 30 games.
I think I'm down to 2 posts so I'm out for now until close to deadline, unless of course miraculously one of the 'about-to-be-modkilled-but-not-really-'cause-let's-try-to-find-a-replacement-4 days-in' people shows up and wants to donate.
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TY for posts Ceph. And holy shit Slam.
O.O
Austin this lynch feels so off to me. Is the way Foolishness has played over the last couple of cycles really just scum giving up? And the fact that so many people are seemingly not ok with the lynch by pushing other people and yet they all eventually fall in line....
Again I stick it out here foe earlier reasons but I have definite reservations here. I'm just not sure I see a scum Foolishness antagonize the people who are out to get him. It doesn't make sense. You agreed with me when I said so earlier.
If he DOES flip scum though I think we've all but won, and lynch into my list from last night to win. (Yet another reason why I don't think it makes sense for Foolishness to give up here unless the whole scumteam is basically afk now or beyond caring, which is of course a possibility).
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TOo much last minute 'Ok guise Foolishness defs scum here I am after not playing at all ever hai'
Lol VE not even gonna vote 'cause he's too busy playing dailymafia with the big boys.
Thanks town vigs for shooting into active people! Really appreciate it!
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This is the perfect situation for scum right now. Austin and JAT now look like shit, the rest of the players in this game aren't even playing...
Fucking shit dicks.
Palmar or Poofter tomorrow. I'll have to really look hard to decide which. I'm thinking Palmar.
JAT I'm really interested to hear what you have to say about this. And there had better not be one fucking WORD about how 'it's his own fault' or any of that shit, because you have been nothing but antagonistic and remorseless this entire game and have not accomplished anything else and YOU WERE FUCKING WRONG. You'd better analyze where you went wrong and fucking step it up.
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On May 07 2014 12:31 Ace wrote:
why are we shooting people that post?
You're right. You should have been shot days ago but all of our vigs are either pussies or idiots.
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