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Also Caller, he did claim. I feel like you knew that already though, so any particular reason why you posted that? Alright I'm out so I don't waste more posts. People can comment on stuff I've posted or not. Whatevs. BH slotted to die and I'm still fine with that atm. | ||
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OH wait wtf for some reason I thought deadline was tomorrow LOL shit Well the above still stands. | ||
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On May 04 2014 11:07 austinmcc wrote: Any specific thoughts, assuming you don't mean BH himself? I checked the list to see exactly who you might be talking about, nobody off BH is really worrisome to me. VA's comments about this lynch in particular are funky (BH out of his mind, slam a lot scummier tho ----> if BH were town he'd be all up in thread's business, so I like this lynch (it was 7 BH, 1 slam at the time, so no lynch yet and we needed 2 votes) ----> keep vote on palmar) But otherwise nothing is smacking me in the face like a banana peel about the non-BHers. Just scum voting patterns. They don't ever pile all their shit into one basket. | ||
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On April 28 2014 12:15 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count! Palmar (1) - Caller (0) - Geript (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - prplhz (immune) (0) - strongandbig (8) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Cephiro (0) - Foolishness (0) - Oatsmaster (8) - Austinmcc, Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes Sandroba (1) - VayneAuthority, Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch. Tough to say. I use this time rather than the final lynch post because this is where things were most tense. From the looks of things it is entirely possible NO scum were on Oats at all here but if there are, they could only be between you, JAT and Cephiro. Scum almost ALWAYS spread themselves out on votes/close-to-final votes because they don't wall want to be caught in the same place at the same time. I'm not saying there can't be more than one scum on a wagon (ie there probably had to have been at LEAST 2 on SnB to help push that through) but I am willing to bet the others are nicely spread out elsewhere. | ||
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VERY INTERESTING. But also FUCK YES. I can't think of a reason this doesn't clear both Cephiro AND Slam. SLam, next time please think before you shoot. Important to note we don't know exactly how the traitor/mason and whatnot interaction went so we don't know if the scumteam knew who he was and vice versa for sure. This still heavily implicates Foolishness though imo, but I'd be ok to give him more time. Especially if he reveals whatever the hell went on in that QT. Imo Poofter is next. Gnight ladies and gents, and well done. | ||
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On May 04 2014 14:12 Hapahauli wrote: There will be no indication given as to whether or not the Traitor joined the mafia. Also some clarifications about Blazinghand's role in response to some questions asked to me (in the spirit of a semi-open setup): 1) He was a Recruiting Mason + a Traitor. He has no powers outside of those roles (i.e., he cannot recruit people to the mafia team.) 2) The traitor *always* returns red to detective checks. 3) It will not be revealed as to if he can join the mafia team, nor the hypothetical conditions required for the Traitor to join the mafia team. Yup. Makes sense to me and I figured as such. Nobody who voted BH is cleared today. Except me 'cause I pushed him yesterday :D :D :D | ||
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It appears as though I'm not going to be able to keep the raving masses from putting your head in a noose tomorrow, so my suggestion to you is to reveal details about your QT. Specifically, who else was recruited with you. If you can't do that, I'm afraid I and everyone else has no choice but to assume you are scum and you will be lynched. There was once a time where I would be considered for night kill; sadly I fear this time is long past but just in case people need to look into (and by look into I mean lynch with cleansing fire) Poofter. Even if people have found him somewhat towns in some way, think about pure role speculation. We have had a mafia dayvig flip, and we know of two confirmed town dayvigs. Is the more likely scenario to have three town vigs to scum's 1? Unlikely IMO. Poofter is scum 95% (I can't give that marv guarantee no matter how good I feel). Palmar and caller are worth looking into with some scrutiny as well. | ||
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I feel pretty decent about the remaining scum being amongst those I've named. | ||
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I dunno I'd look into him after foolishness and poofter maybe. There are scummier people than him still IMO. This is my last post I think so I dunno wanna comment on my list at all . Or about how to deal with foolishness or poofter? | ||
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On May 05 2014 07:00 Foolishness wrote: You assume I'm scum if I don't reveal that information? Why would I reveal information like that that's only going to benefit the mafia? I'm sure everyone remaining in that QT is town so there's no way I'm handing the mafia the town circle. Also you're assuming based off what information? That you don't "like" my posts this game? That you don't like that I pushed a mafia lynch and pushed the traitor to be lynched? You say that I made a bad case on day 1 and that's enough to override everything else I've done? Also is it enough to override not killing say in the group of RoL, Palmar, Caller, gumshoe, Ace all of which are guilty of doing nothing this game? Because all I see is that you want to kill off the active members of the town and just leave the inactive players sitting. How well has that worked out for town's in past games (re: it never works)? Or are you listening to JAT's arguments which basically consist of: JAT: Foolishness is scum for this reason! Town: Actually that reason's been refuted because of X, Y and Z. JAT: Foolishness is scum precisely because that reason has been refuted! I'm not sure what game you're playing, but if you're making assumptions about a player being mafia based on feelings and not liking their post and just ignoring all the other things they've done for the town then you're definitely not playing mafia. So congratulations on not reading. Hey Foolishness, surely you remember this post of yours? On May 03 2014 09:39 Foolishness wrote: I'm definitely not giving away anything about the mason QT unless it's necessary to confirm someone's alignment/behavior or until the traitor is dead. Mechanics about it only helps mafia/traitor who may have extra information regarding peoples' roles. Cephiro, do you know how your parity checks work in relation to the traitor? e.g. say you check the traitor night 1 and a town night 2, do you get a different result? Does it depend on if the traitor's been recruited (and if so when)? Your move. The night kill doesn't go unnoticed, I fully take into account thsi could be a frame attempt, but needless to say if you think you can look down your nose at other people in this game based on shady dealings of a QT we've seen nothing of and no results from, and a 'push' on Oats which was all of one post long, you've got another thing coming, good sir. | ||
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And on the note of talking about vigis, On May 05 2014 07:06 Foolishness wrote: JAT and tehpoofter are very likely town. There's little reason to doubt any of their actions this game. You're mad at poofter for shooting his suspect? After he: 1) Pushed his shot repeatedly in the thread. 2) Made multiple cases about why his shot was mafia. 3) Has constantly been giving reads and pushing suspects in the thread. 4) Wanted to shoot Oats but believed that Oats flip would give town valuable information about the votes. Until someone posts a nice big case about why poofter is mafia he is not up for lynch and will not be considered in the slightest. Also the theory that mafia have day vigi shots so poofter is likely mafia because he confirmed having a shot is bogus. You know what mafia is probably doing? Waiting until there's like 11 players alive and if they have 4 members up just cap 3 people and auto-win. What a smart way to win instead of ya know randomly shooting during the day and drawing attention to yourself. Unless we're not playing mafia of course. You don't get to decide this. Unless of course you have something different to offer. Any reason why you seem to think the game is balanced if town get 4 dayvigs? Are you assuming scum only have the one in Oats and maybe a second we don't know of or something, or that there are fucking 7-8 dayvigs running around this game? Your points as to why poofter is town do not hold water except for #2. All of the others are EXACTLY what a mafia dayvig would attempt to do to try and justify what he did if he wasn't planning on listening to anyone telling him not to shoot from the start? The fact that this is not obvious to you again detracts points from you. Have you ignored Poofter's latest post in the thread which practically screamed scum to everyone in the thread as he wished and washed and said 'welp, hmm, I guess maybe BH is scum and I guess maybe I'll vote him and sheep JAT and forego all blame but SLam totes defs scum guise.' Like I really don't get at all where you're coming from this game, so again if you're working with information the rest of town doesn't have, maybe you should let the rest of us in on it so we can stop being 'wrong.' ##Vote: TehPoofter | ||
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On May 05 2014 12:19 Foolishness wrote: There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have 1) Been already revealed. 2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town. ##Vote: Palmar We have zero proof this QT even exists because there is no corroboration from any other townies. For all we know if you and BH are both scum and he guessed right and got recruited (hell, even if he didn't) he may not have recruited anyone else and you are lying. You're so worried about mafia getting info from this QT, but all I personally ask is some proof that IT EXISTS, AND THAT SOMEONE ELSE IS IN IT. If you're SUPER worried about other info being released, then don't release it, but right now surely you must realize that hiding it makes absolutely zero sense right now. | ||
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On May 05 2014 12:19 Foolishness wrote: There are other people in the QT. If there was something that needed to be revealed about it then it would have 1) Been already revealed. 2) The other people would have incriminated me hard for lying or withholding information from the town. ##Vote: Palmar On May 05 2014 12:47 Foolishness wrote: Maybe I think the people in the QT are town because gee I don't know I'm in a QT with them? You are being extremely unhelpful right now. I don't know why you have such a hardon for doing things your own way instead of acquiescing and actually helping town win a game. No acknowledgement or understanding of why we are having difficulty believing you (which, by the way, I would honestly think a towny in your position would have if you wanted to keep playing by your own rules), no reasoning for your vote on Palmar---and if you expect people to simply listen to you and vote for him despite being wrong on RoL, I would think you should give us more than what you offered. SHouldn't a townie be trying to push his lynch through instead of sitting back and watching other people push the objectively wrong lynches in his opinion? Look at what you've offered on Palmar thus far: On Palmar: I am not opposed to lynching him because he's clearly not reading the game: On April 27 2014 17:30 Palmar wrote: Turns out playing with a post restriction isn't that bad at all, normally I'd throw all these in seperate posts but it's not awful to have to think ahead and combine comments. 1. @BH: I was kinda hoping I'd die so I could just check out and yell at people postgame. Your suggestion involves effort. Not sure I'll put in much effort over this weekend. 2. prplhz is now looking townie. I didn't actually read foolishness' case on him but I figured I'd fuck with town by pardoning him if people wanted to lynch him. Now I'm afraid I didn't really fuck with town. What I should have done is pardon fucking Caller so we would be forced to shoot him today. 3. geript is town hero, I'm probably just sheeping him today if I cba putting in effort. ##vote strongandbig Considering my case was all of one line long I'm not sure what game he is playing, but it's definitely not this one. To be honest I'm not completely sold on him being mafia and I don't know what his apathetic behavior is more indicative of. I do not expect Palmar to start putting effort into this game at this rate. Hence better to kill him sooner rather than later. On April 28 2014 12:34 Foolishness wrote: I think Caller is the "anti-town" person you need to be worried about Ace, not Palmar. 2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard. I'm just going to change my Palmar read status to: "I don't know". Thought he was town, but maybe not cause he had that bad post where he gave a bunch of reads day 1. Thought he was town again, but him dying would answer a lot of questions I think. I don't know. Would not bat an eye if he died. What I learned is that we should be killing RebirthOfLegend, Palmar, and Caller. Essentially you now simply advocate lynching into a group of lurkers/unknowns (you keep mentiong Caller/RoL/Palmar and then you add gumshoe) just so we avoid lynching active posters. Why the fuck would I want to simply lynch into coinflips when I have much better proof on other people/ You have offered absolutely nothing of any substance and until you do, you will not be receiving any support from me. Ultimately I'll have to decide if what you're doing is anti-town and glaringly scum enough for me to want to lynch you at the end of the day. Right now I'm still up to giving you a shot but you seem to not want to take it. Austin, when you read this, do you know what Foolishness-scum is like? | ||
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On May 05 2014 12:22 VayneAuthority wrote: why would a mafia be so hesitant to divulge it though? I feel like they always panic and just give you watever you want. its usually town that is stubborn like this. id much rather go the palmar/caller route then foolishness they seem a lot sketchier. Oh and VA? Reasoning for this is as I said earlier, if the QT was only him and BH to begin with, and/or contains only scum, then obviously Foolishness isn't going to give up any other names. Actually now I'm definitely wondering if the above isn't true---I could totally see him expecting people to try and lynch him today and having another scum-member 'corroborate' at the end of the day to try and force a no-lynch or some sort of chaos. I dunno that may be a stretch. LOL and you know, strike what I said about the NK being a frame from the record too. Was almost certainly a protect and RoL died. Can't see any reason at all why scum would shoot him over someone actually playing the game. lol I'm probably going to need extra posts today  | ||
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I mean, I'm ok to go Foolishness today, it just disappoints me that he's going to just lay down and die. I suppose he has no choice though really because anything he says to attempt to exonerate himself likely implicates another scum. If any other member of that supposed QT wants to speak up by the way, they had better do so with signifcant day time remaining; I will not have random shenannies late in the day because all of a sudden one person at the last second says 'oh wait I've been talking with Foolishness!' Alternatively as Slam posted, I wouldn't mind if we can attempt to figure out if Foolishness is lying simply by admitting in thread whether or not we are in QT. I personally am not, neither is Slam, JAT wouldn't be pushing fool all game if he was. I think other can be eliminated as well though I wouldn't mind hearing from people themselves. It wouldn't surprise me if VE were in there if this QT exists. | ||
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We absolutely need him to flip---i get that you're all gungho on Foolishness scum and have rammed it down our throats all game, but for somebody who has withheld his shot so long and doesn't even want to eliminate people who don't vote and don't bother playing the game and are thus inconsequential, it disturbs me that you'd think shooting him is a good idea. | ||
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That is all. | ||
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Austin, I suppose if you were trying to trap those who have been tunneling Foolishness or something, alright, but what have you got to show for waiting and wasting my time? I don't really appreciate you not setting me straight. I mean I appreciate the QT info, but you really just had to say you were in there. (Now of course this could be one epic as fuck scumplay from you---if anybody could do it, it would be you but I think at this point I'd be willing to lose to you if you pulled something like this and essentially faked an entire QT or something.) Can we talk a little plz? Who do you want lynched today, and why? Now Foolishness I'd appreciate the answering of a few questions if possible. 1) Like JAT says, there are a few cruicial reads missing---where are your reads on me/RoL from that QT considering you were attempting to push us to some degree D1? 2) What from the information that Austin released was so absolutely crucial to your 'circle' that you couldn't release any of it? Unrelated---I'm wondering now if one of the original shots wasn't on scum. If there has been a successful protect the past couple nights I can't imagine they had two shots (unless they had only 1 KP from the start I guess...). I still want Poofter lynched right now, and until somebody offers me something better he is who I will be pushing. 3) This isn't a question but can you do something today so I can feel justified in not lynching you beyond the stuff Austin said? | ||
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