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WaveofShadow
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Even when you call me names and insult me. And even if you're scum. If we're going to lynch the association pair I propose BH first, though it would be nice to hear some reasoining from you at some point as to what makes BH scum outside of association. | ||
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Did they think he was bluffing or some shit? I guess either that or JK/'paramedic' (whatever that is) | ||
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First of all: On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote: Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS!  This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me? Other stuff: Foolishness, how about this. I will vote for RoL today. If he flips town, then you are scum. How does that sound? Because I can't honestly believe if you've been so active in this other QT that you haven't come down with a list of a few scum here beyond the megalurk that is RoL. It's like BH pointing out gumshoe as primary lynch. It's terrible and BH had zero basis on which to do it other than lurk. I'll give you that you have slightly more to go on w/RoL but it's not much, and it's low hanging fruit. (Not to mention the fact that you're playing a little differently from Shadow and Catastrophe, but that's just feels and not strong ones.) I've noticed your list for today is RoL/Caller/Palmar. This means that you've also given though to the first thing I said in this game? And yet you posted a big ol' case on me a little while ago? And still seem to think I'm scum 'but not above other people and I need to be held accountable.' How, exactly? Your thoughts really don't seem to add up in a good way this game, good buddeh. One final thing. Thoughts on Ace? Are we still waiting for him to show up and wow us? Is this one of those games where he just doesn't give a shit like so many others? | ||
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I remember the last time you spammed shit like /dunked and played like a crazy fool. It was Carnival Cruise. | ||
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On May 02 2014 15:32 Blazinghand wrote: Well good new for you is that I only get 25 posts today. So I can't really waste them on dunks. But those two we re SO SWEET. Plus you gotta admit everything about this claim smells wrong Not really. I don't think the checks were bad at all honestly, and even if not checking a 'sure town' is sort of a misplay, I could see myself making the same one. Is Ceph known for being good at bluerole use? The unfortunate part is that the scenario that Ceph is traitor (or another scum) fakeclaiming to try and get us to use two lynches is quite realistic. Especially if at this point he is in fact the traitor and was recruited by the scumteam and they planned all this shit out. I'm trying to consider how to use JAT's shot to deal with this atm---I don't know if this can be let go in any way. I also wonder if we have a coroner of any sort---I'm assuming not since I feel like it would have/should have been used already. | ||
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Like mebbe 5 or so if you're actually super keen on giving them all away (though I'm not sure why you are)... Save a few plz just in case. | ||
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/dunked ##Vote: blazinghand | ||
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On May 03 2014 07:38 Foolishness wrote: Blazinghand has a better chance of flipping mafia. ##Unvote: RebirthOfLegend ##Vote: Blazinghand Oh really? Care to explain the rationale behind this? Are we ever going to be let in on your super secret dealings? How much of what BH has talked about re: your QT jives with you? | ||
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On May 03 2014 08:26 Foolishness wrote: There's no dealings. He's just been saying a lot of weird things. I never made a conscious effort to try to figure out his alignment. Nor did I ever really pay close attention to the things he said. I didn't let him influence any of my thoughts this game. I was the first one to suggest the strongandbig lynch (other people in the QT can confirm this) and he ran with it. I take full responsibility for the mislynch on day 1 (minus what Koshi did). My gut tells me that alakaslam is town. I don't really have evidence to back that up other than I thought his justification for his vigi shot came from a town mindset. Really either lynch sounds good depending on how you look at it. Your thoughts on this BH? | ||
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On May 03 2014 09:54 justanothertownie wrote: You are assuming yamato and Koshi were town and there was no successful medic/jailkeeper action regarding the KP. Which is a terrible assumption. Well, the no successful medic/JK action part imo, but on the whole yeah. What up with that prplhz? | ||
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Even IF prplhz were not to know all of that stuff you just listed and/or didn't bother looking it up, which is pretty likely, why would he assume that after one (or even MAYBE 2) scumkills we'd be down to 1 scum KP? It's a horrible assumption this early and it's extremely suspicious imo. Also I don't think you commented on the stuff I mentioned re: JAT earlier. Also what do you make of Foolishness now seemingly ok with lynching BH all of a sudden? Genuine or distancing attempt considering how linked he has been to BH by stuff BH himself has said, and as well through (maybe not necessarily good) assumptions JAT and I have made? And on a third note Palmar/Caller. Where you at with them? Come on Austin, let's chat. | ||
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I have to look back at a couple games of his to know for sure but I'm about as null as null could be on him. Austin re: oats No I don't think him not shooting says a great deal; oats is extremely erratic with power use (read: bad) so there could bean y number of reasons Oats didn't shoot. Even if Slam was scum and oats didn't want to shoot him what stopped him from blowing his load and hitting someone else whom people would have been ok with shooting? ( ie someone like gumshoe, RoL, etc) You could be on to something here with the meta read of slam though and that's something I'll try to look into later; I've never really attempted to read slam for real before and I know the amount of trolling impossible-to-read-ness hasn't been as much as usual for him so I want to figure out what that means for sure. It personally gave me a gut town read of him after I calmed down re: the shot but I mean that could just be good scum play from him. | ||
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I kinda like it. | ||
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On May 04 2014 06:59 austinmcc wrote: My main problem is just wanting more STUFF in the thread. For a game with post limits, ever since D1 nobody has been getting into big trouble on posting, and there's boatloads of fucking off. It's the weekend, so that's not unnatural, but I'm in favor of less fucking off and just more STUFF in the thread. From both town AND mafia. BH's filter never looks good when I reread it. The ol' "swap to oats, NO WAIT THERE'S AN HOUR LEFT, swap back to SnB!" bit. I'm willing to vote oats ---> D2 starts and oats is scummy but he wants to push gumshoe ----> foolishness is trying to trap me in QT with oats meta, but look how oats is posting here in a different manner than he was posting in a game where he was mafia ---> voting oats for no real reason ---> hey guys, let's shennanies to a random different target is butt. Going straight from gumshoe --> oats because "we're not lynching fool" yesterday, without considering other options (and still later wanting to shennany onto palmar, real or fake). None of it's groovy. There's like, one post that I find pretty townie, but I don't think it's quite on "can't be scum" level. What I worry about re: BH is that good old 'too scummy to be scum' metric. Essentially it's like what you said: his filter looks like balls and there's a lot of classic scum play in there: push lurkers, try to get votes off your buddy, shenannies etc It just doesn't seem like scum actually play like that very often. That paranoia is setting in but I think I have meta to support the BH lynch as well. I dunno, I think plan is to stay on course because we're in very good shape if he flips red, it's just that we're in very poor shape if he doesn't. | ||
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On May 04 2014 07:25 Cephiro wrote: To elaborate: I think that VA is town misplaying his role (I am fairly certain what it is unless I've been fooled, which would be a good thing.) But he isn't contributing, he's mainly just saying "Yo, I'm around, thing X sucks, thing Y doesn't, btw I wanna survive." And thinking about his play and the role I assume him to have, it makes a little bit more sense if he was mafia, but it's sub-optimal whichever alignment he is. Which is why I hope he's managed to mislead me as town and I have no idea what he's doing. There's also a small chance that he's simply going for a super lategame play. But this is not relevant nor important right now. Thinking about this I actually agree, though I still want to look back at some old VA stuff to be sure. Ceph can I ask you, what is different about this game than like every other one where you barely play and just vomit out massive and usually irrelevant large posts? | ||
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On May 04 2014 06:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Hmm Caller agrees instead of pushing his own weird shit. I kinda like it. Actually I take this back. Was he on board for Oats? | ||
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On May 04 2014 08:33 Tehpoofter wrote: I reread BH's filter today at work seeing if there was much in there that was townie. (It was thank god more coherent than Slam's) It looks like a lot of activity is dying in the thread and I'm a bit sketched out about the fact that everyone is voting BH who claims to be in a mason QT vs Slam who day shot someone threatening to shoot people BWing on a town. Honestly I don't find any of them particularly townie the only saving grace for BH for me has been this Mason QT thing I mean if he is fake claiming mason is a ballsy move from him as scum. I would think that has very low success because he links himself so heavily with Foolish who is forced to back up his claim. I know more about Foolish than BH and I honestly feel like Foolish would make a better play than that but it could have been he was forced to go along with the BH ploy or steam role a mafia. The activity level of this game feels like the end of Catastrophe so maybe with the Oats lynch mafia has the wind out of its sails. (Perhaps that poofter guy did shoot right after all!) I really think slam's shot has been scummy and then he hasn't done much but there was a weird posts that I think Foolish pointed out at the start of day 2 where BH took the party line most mafia do of "lets lynch the lurkers" and he voted gumshoe who was first to case Oats. + Show Spoiler + On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote: Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that. Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch. ##vote gumshoe I'm gonna go with JAT today as I still read him town and if hes right on BH then I'll look over Foolish again but if Jat is wrong I might have to reread him because he is really pushing this BH/Foolish connection hard. (I think too hard to be mafia but flipping BH will tell us a lot) ##Vote: Blazinghand @austin Oats had the ability to shoot all the 2nd day and decided not to despite him having to know heat was most likely coming his way. He I think could have gotten away with a Slam shot so him choosing not to shoot means either a) He for some reason thought shooting slam would cause him more suspicion b) He wasn't around to take a shot before the votes got too high c) He is mafia with any of the people he feels like he could shoot and without flips it does nothing but hurt him (i.e. Slam) For me I lean towards b or C cause honestly Slam was on my shoot list if Koshi hadn't been scummy. I wouldn't have given Oats grief over it and honestly probably given him some town cred. @Foolish I might be misunderstanding how the mason thing works but I don't understand your voting on BH if you're in a QT with him as I thought being in the QT meant you were both confirmed town. Does anybody else absolutely hate this post? | ||
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On May 04 2014 08:46 justanothertownie wrote: Me. It's like he is setting himself up for a BH town flip. Makes me feel uneasy. I think regardless of outcome of today's lynch I want to see poofter swing. Hell I might actually be more convinced of this now than even BH. Especially given the Koshi shot. Hmmm. I feel very marv-y atm. I think I may actually ask for some extra posts today. People's thoughts on this post and poofter in general. Go. | ||
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Let's begin. You just donated posts to me. Since when do you consider ME a valuable member of town? You talk big about all the disdain you give Oats but I can't ever consider a time when you played aggro-BH that you bothered to consider or listen to anything I say, whether town or scum. So then why give me posts when I ask for them instead of using them yourself to try and deflect the lynch if you're town? Is giving me more room to spout from what your perspective as town is incredibly wrong propaganda the best use of your 25? This post donation alone looks like you know how I latch onto you when you're scum (and even when you're town...ie Catastrophe) as an attempt to softly buddy me. Foolishess: I'll give you that as scum mason, town Foolishness probably wouldn't be my first choice. I think like you said it was GK you grabbed the other time you were scum mason? Like many of us have said thus far though, you both look scummy, and it's not a completely unheard of play to pull here. The biggest problem I have with your mason QT is you're BOTH still reluctant to reveal the 'other members.' Why? And why was Foolishness so quick to change his mind and think you're scum after STILL offering no real information as to what you've been up to in there? This point somewhat relies on pre-flip association and as always I try to take that with a grain of salt but the mason QT is fishy. I think before this is over it's going to be time to reveal who else is in there, or you're not going to have much to stand on with this point because for all I know you could simply be faking the existence of the QT entirely if you're both scum. Oats: Already mentioned the issues I have there. Your pushing and voting on him was textbook scum (maybe why I have my doubts about it) but still. In the world of KISS that makes you scum. Cephiro: This may be the worst part here. Why would a scum Slam who accepted the fact that Cephiro was telling the truth simply give away all his posts and resign himself immediately if it wasn't clear right away which of the two of you he felt would be lynched? MAYBE if you mentioned Slam's meta here like Austin did you could say 'because scum Slam always gives up' or something, but you don't bother with that. Without that meta, the argument makes no sense. If anything a TOWN Slam would be more likely to think that people would find him the townier of the two and be confident as to give up his posts. And of course your flip in opinion on Ceph himself looks like balls but I need not tell you that. I worry that some of the above is susceptible to confirmation bias so I would appreciate other opinions. | ||
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