WoS could be scum with Marv is scum team especially if gum was just straight afk and not just afk in the thread.
Town Circle: Me Jat VE Slam. <<<would not lynch.
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 12 2014 02:46 GMT
#1866
WoS could be scum with Marv is scum team especially if gum was just straight afk and not just afk in the thread. Town Circle: Me Jat VE Slam. <<<would not lynch. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 12 2014 02:49 GMT
#1867
On May 12 2014 11:38 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On May 12 2014 09:03 marvellosity wrote: On May 12 2014 08:51 justanothertownie wrote: On May 12 2014 08:38 marvellosity wrote: On May 12 2014 07:45 justanothertownie wrote: On May 12 2014 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Did you not hear the part about me being wrong about marv? And I'm not sleeping anyone. I have my own reasons for wanting to lynch Ace. Mostly YOLO, but there are other reasons. That's nice and all but where are those reasons? What point is there in holding them back? All you have done this game is screaming "I AM TOWN I AM TOWN I AM SO TOWN CONFIRMED TOWN WHAT YOU SCUMREAD ME? YOU SCUM! I AM TOWN!" and next to nothing else. The only reason I am hesitant on scumreading you is that austin and Foolishness townread you for reasons that I can't check myself. On May 12 2014 07:07 Ace wrote: ##donate 10 posts to marv So, do you want to say anything? No? @Marv: Let's say I have this urge to lynch Poofter right now since our little discussion. How would you convince me that we should lynch Ace first? I wouldn't. I certainly ain't leading this town. I'd like to lynch Ace. I'd also like to lynch poofter. If x,y,z said "let's lynch poofter" I'd say "oki doki" I should probably try to meta him although this blasted postcount limit makes it hard. I was pretty sure he was town in Catastrophe (dunno if you remember, but i was quite anti-lynching him when his name was brought up at the end of day 1) because i knew he was mafia in the ongoing Cell game and his play looked quite different. Unfortunately reduced posting reduces some of that effectiveness, might give it a go tomorrow though. His filter really is very short though. The infirmed prplhz (bless his soul) *still* has 2 more pages than poof does... me no likey. I'm coming around on VE being town, for slight gameplay reasons i can't describe, but mainly because a) if VE is town, I can say I listened to other people and came around on VE like a good, civilised townie b) if VE is mafia after all, I can blame everyone for talking me out of it it's really win win. Hm. Ok, I will have to see if I think that's what townmarv would do. Anyways, since your vote is on Ace and not Poofter I would still like some more reasoning than "he discredited me in that one post" and "Ace cos Ace". There are several days of Aces play to look into besides that. Just one post that tells everyone exactly why Ace is likely scum and should be lynched. That you are giving Poofter reasons so easily and there is almost nothing about Ace makes me feel uneasy. On May 12 2014 08:47 Palmar wrote: If poof is maf we gotta lynch dat mf scumshoe #preflipassociativereads #scumhunt4lyfe ##vote thepoofter You know what'd be great? If any of you damn "vets" would explain what he does/thinks at least once. I don't need any more reasoning. If you have a better bet, *you* tell *me*. If you wanna lynch poof over Ace, you go ahead and tell me why Ace should live, and quite possibly I'll run with that. Anyways, my point wasn't that he discredited me, because he does that all day every day as town too, so that's whatever. It was the manner and how, which I hoped I'd got across. ergo a) ace discredits marv b) ace discredits marv while at the same time saying the same stuff marv has said *and* deciding that somehow makes marv the best lynch Also, you aint lazy, go look at prplhz mafiagames, and stop with this bullshit "i need to see if this is what townmarv would do". Who gives a shit what i'd do, look at his blasted scumgames and come back and recognise it is blatantly not prplhz's mafia play. And then come back and realise that when i replaced in i put a shit-tonne of effort into the game (whether my results were correct or not). I am lazy enough not to do that before caring about rereading some stuff that happened this game when I could just read you by your play if you were trying to lead this town... POOFTER, I am only going to repeat myself once: Show nested quote + On May 10 2014 09:41 justanothertownie wrote: I agree that gumshoe is not the lynch. I really hope he just gets modkilled. Yeah, marv is running out of posts if I counted it correctly he was 2 posts over his limit before you donated so he should have 1 left now. You can count yourself if you look into his filter (3 posts were made in the night). If you want to verify his prplhz read yourself go here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database#2 Open the prplhz spoiler and you see all his games on this site. Click on them to get to his filter there. Austin, gumshoe might be modkilled. Lynch could be a waste. Fancy a switch to Ace maybe? Thanks JAT I missed this earlier. I have homework now! @Jat do you think Marv is trying to currently lead town in a townie fashion? I feel like the distinction between Ace and Gum here could be pertinent. Also did you see my guess on number of scum left? You think its how many? | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 21:57 GMT
#2033
![]() So I'm going to spend 1 maybe 2 posts on defending myself before trying to figure out who the actual mafia is. First I'm town vigi and I shot Koshi which seems to be the biggest thing people are hung up on me for. So if you all remember the first actual day of this game I was out of town and wasn't here at all for the game and almost got replaced I just happened to log on right after I got home and stopped myself from getting replaced and the post that was up at the time was who had been lynched. I looked at the wagons and the vote count before even reading a single other word of the game. So I had a unique view of day 1 knowing what was going to happen. So reading through I became VERY suspicious of anyone who was pushing for the SnB lynch at the end of the day I made a large post where I FoS Koshi, Foolish (two main wagon leaders of the push) Oats (the opposing wagon) Slam (slam made that rando shot on yamato):+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 20:48 Tehpoofter wrote: So this game started good to know. Been catching up all day. So I'm going to say I came into reading the thread during the night knowing S&B's alignment I didn't read a word before looking at the day post. Where I'm at so far: In the red corner we have! Koshi Foolishness Oats Alakaslam (reads to come on these in later posts) Light Reds: WoS WoS - This is an associative read and is based on the fact I strongly feel Koshi to be scum. When Koshi gave his big list of everyone in town he said that WoS "town cuz good posts" WoS didn't respond to this but when prphlz said that he was in his "trying" list he said "I'm not even sure I could consider my activity... "trying""+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2014 05:22 prplhz wrote: People who are at the very least trying: VisceraEyes Koshi Alakaslam (maybe) WaveofShadow strongandbig OdinOfPergo Blazinghand justanothertownie geript VayneAuthority (maybe) austinmcc People who make me angry: Blazinghand Oatsmaster Ace Foolishness sandroba Palmar People who /in'd this game because Ver is hosting even though they don't actually want to play in this game: RebirthOfLeGenD Ace gumshoe (maybe) Lol I'm not even sure I could consider my activity so after 'trying.' snb not scum foolishness nice meta evidence from a year ago when SnB literally JUST played a really solid town game where he explains himself in paragraphs like you said. Dunno who I wanna vote. Getting weird feels from VE ---- mebbe because I'm not used to him actually trying lately? BH has actually decided to play this game which is non-indicative but his aggressive ego push on SnB is a style he tends to use more often as scum than town. Also his 'non-care' games lately have been more from town though obvs he likes to change stuff up Dunno My posting kinda shit so far Why not point it out on Koshi's list too? he also soft defends Koshi with geript, He also said my particular favorite line to say when I'm scum "Man I wish I were scum this game" + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice. Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm Also should look at vote analysis Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8 I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA) Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame Its light red because if I'm wrong on Koshi I think WoS stuff can isn't as bad like I did like most of his posts those just stood out to me as odd. In the green corner we have! austin Austin is in a land of his own in town aside from Tehpoofter he's my topest town! He was actively trying to push against the ML on S&B he was asking lots and lots of questions and is addressing almost everyone in the thread. He was also doing so in a small amount of posts after reading day 1 I thought to myself "Wow how did austin not cap on posts" Then i looked at his filter and he made 19 posts and gave 6 away. To me he felt like the strongest presence in the game but he didn't even make the full posts allotted to him he gave away 1/5th of them. Basically he said a lot in few words which I think is very townie to do scum say little with a lot of words imo. Caller The town reads fall off from here but I think what Caller did (once I got to the part that the nuke was fake) was that he started discussion HELLA early in a gmae with limited postings this was super pro town in my opinion. I think mafia would loved to have rued in the chaos and wasted posts of a game starting he also didn't endanger town and even said that the nuke wasn't real before it hit and Palmer had done the anti-town thing he was claiming. MafiaCaller would have waited until after Palmer did whatever anti-town thing he was going to do (assuming in this case of course Palmer is town) then say "it was just fake bro calm down" instead to me it read kinda like "ok lets not let things get out of hand here I just wanted people to talk" Odin His first post was exactly what I was thinking in my read through. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 14:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: So you're giving up your "if I'm town Palmar is scum" heuristic geript? These people are a lighter green Ceph Palmer Ace Ceph - Made a big post at the start of the day instead of the end he also seemed far more confident than he did in cell mafia as scum to me, this isn't enough for a solid read though. Palmer - His reaction to be a big baby and hold town hostage seems more town than mafia to me but I have a hard time or reading him as mafia. I do however think that as scum Palmer might give up and do the same thing but I feel like he would have screwed with town more. Ace - He called out Foolishness on his weak meta case against SnB and I felt had a townie mindset on the Caller/Palmer situation I think he is wrong on Palmer but he did try to push his lynch on Palmer which is a townie thing. My reason for not putting him higher is that he replied to the post about him not talking about NBA/posting gifs by posting a gif which could be a joke or mafia being like "shit I better give out my town tell thanks for reminding me" So that was the main thing I felt people found scummy about me I will look over other points of if you guys have questions please ask. Other evidence I'm town aside from the fact that I've been trying to figure out the game, talk with everyone, ask questions and find scum. IF you look at my posts they're almost all about who I think is scummy or townie. Also when I was rereading prphlz (before I got salty) I realized his night post where he broke down the votes that went onto Oats I was the one that pushed Oats to majority meaning as we now know Oats as scum was not able to shoot as he had majority so if he saw the wagon swinging I basically saved a town from getting shot. I really don't want to waste anymore time looking at myself and want to actually play and find the last mafia. I will however take questions of course but the case on me is basically the shot and I think my thought process was pretty good (maybe flawed conclusion) but from my perspective I felt the shot was good. 1st post. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 22:20 GMT
#2036
VE is still town for me that tell I have on him from the way he spoke basically being in your face. He also has woken up and attempted to solve the game. (I made a bigger point on this the other day) JAT again his push on foolishness was really wrong but really pationate. As far as I'm concerned these are my 3 lock towns that I wouldn't even consider until final 3. WoS is slightly below these guys but still town to me. The only real point I have against him is that he is kinda weird on hte gumshoe issue. I think gumshoe's flip could tell us a lot about WoS. The three scummy people: I feel like a team would be Palmer/Va as my most likely pair. Palmer has been playing really weird this game and his interactions with Ace seem like distancing more than trying to push lynches on each other. He also tried to justify himself as confirmed based on either way that I flip: On May 15 2014 23:49 Palmar wrote: ##vote tehpoofter I'm confirmed town if he flips mafia as I've been wanting to kill him since the koshi shot. I'm confirmed town if he flips town for voting VA first today and trying to avoid a bad lynch. VA has been flowing under this guise of a blue claim the whole game. I'm not even sure what it is he has exactly claimed but its been bogus. He really doesn't push anything just hopes in and casts a vote and doesnt push for a lynch of defend who he isn't voting or seem invested at all. Gumshoe being the third if he combined all his posts he still probably wouldn't be over the day 1 post limit. He had that huge case on Oats in the beginning but the way he entered the thread on Marv's day was really scummy just before lynch as if to only not get mod killed. I think that Palmer/Gum are likely and so is VA/Gum. I really think that math wise 6-2 makes the most sense. From my point of view unless WoS is somehow mafia (I think unlikely) This game is auto we have 3 lynches and a sleep I know I'm town so lynch into Va/Palmer/Gum and town wins. Obviously this is assuming my town reads are all correct but I feel pretty sure about them and that means 3 night kills between then and now. I really can't decide between VA/Palmer/Gum who is most likely to be on a team as they could all be together. I'm going to say for post game bragging the team was most likely Oats, BH, Caller, Ace, VA, Palmer. ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 22:24 GMT
#2037
On May 16 2014 07:03 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2014 06:57 Tehpoofter wrote: Uh oh boys. Were in trouble. So first off someone pointed it out before as to why I was absent (they didn't know they were but they were) I was salty as fuck about being a donkey and losing to Hf/Kosh with my first mishammer on forum in another game ![]() So I'm going to spend 1 maybe 2 posts on defending myself before trying to figure out who the actual mafia is. First I'm town vigi and I shot Koshi which seems to be the biggest thing people are hung up on me for. So if you all remember the first actual day of this game I was out of town and wasn't here at all for the game and almost got replaced I just happened to log on right after I got home and stopped myself from getting replaced and the post that was up at the time was who had been lynched. I looked at the wagons and the vote count before even reading a single other word of the game. So I had a unique view of day 1 knowing what was going to happen. So reading through I became VERY suspicious of anyone who was pushing for the SnB lynch at the end of the day I made a large post where I FoS Koshi, Foolish (two main wagon leaders of the push) Oats (the opposing wagon) Slam (slam made that rando shot on yamato):+ Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 20:48 Tehpoofter wrote: So this game started good to know. Been catching up all day. So I'm going to say I came into reading the thread during the night knowing S&B's alignment I didn't read a word before looking at the day post. Where I'm at so far: In the red corner we have! Koshi Foolishness Oats Alakaslam (reads to come on these in later posts) Light Reds: WoS WoS - This is an associative read and is based on the fact I strongly feel Koshi to be scum. When Koshi gave his big list of everyone in town he said that WoS "town cuz good posts" WoS didn't respond to this but when prphlz said that he was in his "trying" list he said "I'm not even sure I could consider my activity... "trying""+ Show Spoiler + On April 28 2014 06:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Show nested quote + On April 28 2014 05:22 prplhz wrote: People who are at the very least trying: VisceraEyes Koshi Alakaslam (maybe) WaveofShadow strongandbig OdinOfPergo Blazinghand justanothertownie geript VayneAuthority (maybe) austinmcc People who make me angry: Blazinghand Oatsmaster Ace Foolishness sandroba Palmar People who /in'd this game because Ver is hosting even though they don't actually want to play in this game: RebirthOfLeGenD Ace gumshoe (maybe) Lol I'm not even sure I could consider my activity so after 'trying.' snb not scum foolishness nice meta evidence from a year ago when SnB literally JUST played a really solid town game where he explains himself in paragraphs like you said. Dunno who I wanna vote. Getting weird feels from VE ---- mebbe because I'm not used to him actually trying lately? BH has actually decided to play this game which is non-indicative but his aggressive ego push on SnB is a style he tends to use more often as scum than town. Also his 'non-care' games lately have been more from town though obvs he likes to change stuff up Dunno My posting kinda shit so far Why not point it out on Koshi's list too? he also soft defends Koshi with geript, He also said my particular favorite line to say when I'm scum "Man I wish I were scum this game" + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 07:59 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh look I have a post left. Man if I were scum I'd be so happy to be in this game. I think my name has been mentioned/people have talked to me like twice. Don't really blame people though cause I feel exceptionally unless this time around Take palmar off scumlist, mebbe add Oats? Though a lot of first day choices come down to town v town so hmm Also should look at vote analysis Scum don't vote together D1 if they can avoid it for the most part so I'd look at where votes were before the mad scramble for consolidation started...? I think I'm speaking about when Oats and snb we're it'd at 8 I think VA could be scum this time around---looks like he's trying to be more useless (town VA) now after being called out for being try hardy early (Scum VA) Though I'm not sure what it means if we both voted sandroba. Probably doesn't mean anything other than he wanted to put his vote somewhere his scu m buddies weren't. Also pretty convenient of him to drop hammer. And none of that 'if I were scum I wouldn't drop hammer' shit cause there are a ton of people who would I'll be around after deadline to talk if anyone cares about me caus I won't be dying tonight, ill be around till we lose at endgame Its light red because if I'm wrong on Koshi I think WoS stuff can isn't as bad like I did like most of his posts those just stood out to me as odd. In the green corner we have! austin Austin is in a land of his own in town aside from Tehpoofter he's my topest town! He was actively trying to push against the ML on S&B he was asking lots and lots of questions and is addressing almost everyone in the thread. He was also doing so in a small amount of posts after reading day 1 I thought to myself "Wow how did austin not cap on posts" Then i looked at his filter and he made 19 posts and gave 6 away. To me he felt like the strongest presence in the game but he didn't even make the full posts allotted to him he gave away 1/5th of them. Basically he said a lot in few words which I think is very townie to do scum say little with a lot of words imo. Caller The town reads fall off from here but I think what Caller did (once I got to the part that the nuke was fake) was that he started discussion HELLA early in a gmae with limited postings this was super pro town in my opinion. I think mafia would loved to have rued in the chaos and wasted posts of a game starting he also didn't endanger town and even said that the nuke wasn't real before it hit and Palmer had done the anti-town thing he was claiming. MafiaCaller would have waited until after Palmer did whatever anti-town thing he was going to do (assuming in this case of course Palmer is town) then say "it was just fake bro calm down" instead to me it read kinda like "ok lets not let things get out of hand here I just wanted people to talk" Odin His first post was exactly what I was thinking in my read through. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2014 14:52 OdinOfPergo wrote: So you're giving up your "if I'm town Palmar is scum" heuristic geript? These people are a lighter green Ceph Palmer Ace Ceph - Made a big post at the start of the day instead of the end he also seemed far more confident than he did in cell mafia as scum to me, this isn't enough for a solid read though. Palmer - His reaction to be a big baby and hold town hostage seems more town than mafia to me but I have a hard time or reading him as mafia. I do however think that as scum Palmer might give up and do the same thing but I feel like he would have screwed with town more. Ace - He called out Foolishness on his weak meta case against SnB and I felt had a townie mindset on the Caller/Palmer situation I think he is wrong on Palmer but he did try to push his lynch on Palmer which is a townie thing. My reason for not putting him higher is that he replied to the post about him not talking about NBA/posting gifs by posting a gif which could be a joke or mafia being like "shit I better give out my town tell thanks for reminding me" So that was the main thing I felt people found scummy about me I will look over other points of if you guys have questions please ask. Other evidence I'm town aside from the fact that I've been trying to figure out the game, talk with everyone, ask questions and find scum. IF you look at my posts they're almost all about who I think is scummy or townie. Also when I was rereading prphlz (before I got salty) I realized his night post where he broke down the votes that went onto Oats I was the one that pushed Oats to majority meaning as we now know Oats as scum was not able to shoot as he had majority so if he saw the wagon swinging I basically saved a town from getting shot. I really don't want to waste anymore time looking at myself and want to actually play and find the last mafia. I will however take questions of course but the case on me is basically the shot and I think my thought process was pretty good (maybe flawed conclusion) but from my perspective I felt the shot was good. 1st post. Ok. The more important part - as you obviously realize - is who you think the remaining scum are and why. If you are town you are in a unique position right now. Yep I addressed it below but this is basically a won game if my Town reads are correct. Lynch Va/Palmer/Gum in any order. JAT Can you tell me why you're voting me like I really need to not get lynched I'm town and I'm worried there isn't enough people around. WE are at 8 so I would prefer not to waste our sleep if we need it later. @Marv/VE What team do you think is more like Va/Palmer? Palmer/Gum? VA/gum? Or am I bad at math and there should be 3 mafia? Also side note if you want to not lynch town you should vote for someone else. I think VA is most likely to flip scum followed by Palmer. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 22:51 GMT
#2043
On May 16 2014 07:29 marvellosity wrote: I'm going to vote gumshoe or you, poof. I'm not voting VA today. Actually the Koshi shot is kinda a trivial part of why I think you're mafia. I kinda explained how i felt the evolution of your reads on me/ace/VE weren't natural, how you never went for Ace even though I'd made scum-cases on two of your scumtargets (ace/VE) and yet you called me mafia. I find that hard to get over. Even though I don't think anything you've written is massively townie just now, I'm tempted just to kill gumshoe after all, even though I've been hardpushing your lynch. The thing is, right, I find it practically impossible that you and gumshoe are both town, and therefore the push on Vayne feels... not correct to me. Dunno how other people feel but I could maybe vote gumshoe after all. Or I could leave my vote on poofter. What does everyone else think? Fair enough I know that other people had addressed the shot. The day you subbed in I had VE/prphlz/Ace as my biggest scum reads I think (I might be getting my days mixed up) I was calling for one of Caller/Ace to get shot that day but it was the first day he actually played which was... odd. I wasn't sure what to make of it but I felt he was a good shot for Jat so saying I wasn't pushing against him is false. VE came out with somtehing that I explained in a previous post that made me think he was really townie and that left me to you and I really thought that the way the no lynch day happened it looked like you were very much likely to be scum BUT not with Ace. Since Ace flipped scum yesterday that makes you town to me. Can you explain exactly what was unnatural I'd like to clear that up because as far as I'm concerned if we lynch Gum/Va/Palmer in any order I don't see us losing the game. Basically I just need everyone to read me as town and its auto (only hang up would be WoS) Like if you're only lynching between me and gum is it! I know I'm town and as I detailed earlier he is likely to be with the others as neither voted him the day that we were CFD off Marv and onto Gum. OMG I just looked at this. The day we went onto gum the only ones not voting were Slam (out of posts) Marv, Ace confirmed scum, gum for obvious reasons, VA/Palmer. + Show Spoiler + On May 10 2014 12:01 Hapahauli wrote: Vote Count: Ace (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - VisceraEyes (0) - Marvellosity (1) - Palmar (1) - Alakaslam gumshoe (5) - WaveofShadow, austinmcc, justanothertownie, tehpoofter, VisceraEyes tehpoofter (2) - Vayneauthority, Palmar vayneauthority (1) - gumshoe Day ends in . There are 11 players alive, and it takes 6 to lynch. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 22:57 GMT
#2046
On May 16 2014 07:47 justanothertownie wrote: I am also down to lynch scumshoe. I don't know his scumgame but if it also looks like this he can die in a fire as far as I am concerned. At least poofter is playing the game again. But as you said poofter didn't address the real problems here. It is not the shot on koshi. Banks. Look at marvs accusation, look at what we discussed recently. A main point for me is your behaviour towards Ace. You listed him as scumread but never pushed him. You did not vote him despite me pushing him 2 days ago but you DID vote gumshoe who had not returned prior to that. People who list mafia as secondary scumreads are very often mafia themselves. I understand JAT and part of it is reputation for me. I honestly thought that ACE would be better at mafia than he was. Like he wrote that manafesto. I was expecting if Ace was mafia some sort of big play or like at least more than just lurk until you get lynched mafia. So I did think he was scum but in my head I'm thinking "he is too good for this right?" Also the only day where I didn't want to lynch him was the day we NL and thats because I was tunnelling hard on Marv. I was behind VE and thought they were unlikely together. I was however that day saying he would be a good shot along with CAller.... JAt Look at my post on the votes on the no lynch day. Look at who is voting what and more importantly WHO ISNT VOTING VA/Palmer..... Va lurks like all day and then suddenly just comes in and adds his two cents when I show up and start actually playing as town!!! He is scared his misslynch is falling through. Boys I think we got em. We lynch gum/VA/Palmer any order and I don't see how town loses this one! | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 23:06 GMT
#2047
On May 16 2014 07:53 justanothertownie wrote: Yeah, probably... I mean I don't want to lose to scum gumshoe if he is playing this way. That would kinda suck. But poofter you will have to be convincing if you want to make a switch happen today. And it won't be on VA it seems. Like in my mind they could all be scum. God if we don't make a switch then were dead if its all three btw. If its VA/Palmer/Gum then we lose if I'm lynched. That last vote post scared me when I looked at it. Like palmer has the time thing but why does VA not switch? I agree VA not happeneing today despite claiming blue like 9 days ago and not really claiming what it is (unless I missed it) is still alive and kicking and hasnt done anything. I'll vote gumshoe of course as he is of the 3. If you lynch me you are lynching town. ##Vote Gumshoe | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 23:13 GMT
#2050
On May 16 2014 07:57 marvellosity wrote: because I made cases on both your other scumreads and you ended up voting for me and not for Ace. You basically totally ignored the Ace thing. It looks terrible. Like, you didn't explore the option that I was town and ace was mafia on that day, even though I was pushing Ace quite hard - I got nothing from you even though Ace was one of your scumsuspects. Bleh. Although Vayne forcing a nolynch on gumshoe is shit. Palmar is excused because the gumshoe wagon happened at like 4am his time or something. V v tempting to lynch gumshoe simply because you're at least trying though.Would like input from others. I agree but I'm going to have my reads change and as I felt VE was someone I had come around on I was looking at his reads and in my head if I think VE is town and he thinks marv is scummy and marv thinks these other two people are scummy maybe I'm wrong abotu Ace too because up until that day I had VE As scummy. So I don't understand how thats not a logical process of thought. PLUS we had a vote on you CFD away at the last second to a no lynch. Like that is really really shady. When Ace flips mafia that changes things though and you were right on him VE was wrong on you and I was right the first time on Ace. Like If I get lynched and town loses because of that I'll be upset because I feel like that logic train makes sense to me. What can I clarify further? I'll go find the posts where I was telling Jat that ACe was a good shot. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 23:19 GMT
#2051
On May 16 2014 08:07 justanothertownie wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2014 07:57 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 16 2014 07:47 justanothertownie wrote: I am also down to lynch scumshoe. I don't know his scumgame but if it also looks like this he can die in a fire as far as I am concerned. At least poofter is playing the game again. But as you said poofter didn't address the real problems here. It is not the shot on koshi. Banks. Look at marvs accusation, look at what we discussed recently. A main point for me is your behaviour towards Ace. You listed him as scumread but never pushed him. You did not vote him despite me pushing him 2 days ago but you DID vote gumshoe who had not returned prior to that. People who list mafia as secondary scumreads are very often mafia themselves. I understand JAT and part of it is reputation for me. I honestly thought that ACE would be better at mafia than he was. Like he wrote that manafesto. I was expecting if Ace was mafia some sort of big play or like at least more than just lurk until you get lynched mafia. So I did think he was scum but in my head I'm thinking "he is too good for this right?" Also the only day where I didn't want to lynch him was the day we NL and thats because I was tunnelling hard on Marv. I was behind VE and thought they were unlikely together. I was however that day saying he would be a good shot along with CAller.... Meh, the other guy who repeated what I said was scum... I am torn on this. I want to believe you and tbh there are some things that point slightly towards town here (the timing of your vote on oats for example) but I also know that you are good at defending yourself from lynches. Palmar and Vayne both on your wagon doesn't feel good though. Hm... Who am I mafia with here? Like the only team that would remotely make sense in my mind would be me and gumshoe. So lets lynch him first and if we lynch VA/Palmer and we get a town flip from either then I should be reevaluated but I think they could ALL THREE BE MAFIA look at that marv no lynch day. Like people fucking off and not voting on someone who posted like gumshoe did. I've done more to figure out the game than any of those four by far. VA does nothing, gumshoe posts maybe 20 times. Palmer plays like a troll pushes on ace but doesnt sits on wagons instead of securing a lynch. Like I've been talking to people interacting pushing lynches (correctly on Oats) trying to solve the game. Like my defense is good cause I'm town. That vote on oats when I pushed him from no shoot to shoot you really want to lynch the guy that did that? I could have literally saved a townies life with my vote! I agree talk to others and stuff but I think this game is won if we lynch VA/Palmer/Gum if you guys end up misslynching me then just pray there aren't three cause thats gg. Even sleep is better than lynching me in that case although I relaly would hate to waste it this early. if we need it later. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 15 2014 23:44 GMT
#2057
On May 16 2014 08:34 Palmar wrote: To be clear my vote on marv was a troll vote, both of them. I think it was obvious when I backed off and picked any other lynch closer to the deadline. I'm perfectly fine with killing gumshoe, thank you based austinmcc ##vote gumshoe Why didnt you switch to Ace yesterday? | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 16 2014 00:15 GMT
#2058
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 16 2014 00:20 GMT
#2061
On May 08 2014 07:59 Tehpoofter wrote: If Ace actually nuked Caller (doesn't seem likely since mod posted since that without clarifying) that would be the most useful thing he's done all game. Man if Ace and Caller are both scum the "Fake a nuke" scum meta would be so real. Marv is here! Glad we didn't get a modkill, Marv when you get around to it why did prphlz push on Foolish the day we had a cop claim with a 50/50 scum? Also What in the world is Ace doing this game? What about VE? How good/bad was my shot on Koshi? Who should Jat shoot? @WoS I think we need to talk about the semi lurkers people like VE, VA, Palmer. Also the super lurkers like Caller Gumshoe Ace. I feel like there is a couple mafia in this group. I think prphlz was leaning scummy tbh outside of that group I read everyone else pretty townie. I also read Palmer as town for what its worth him and you both did the same thing where you perked up after lynches. I have a pretty strong town circle I think. If JAt shoots into a lurker prefer Ace or Caller then we can lynch someone like VE VA and I think there is a high likelyhood we hit 1-2 mafia. I think the only way that scum is in a good spot is if Austin or Jat is actually scum. Otherwise I think town wins this game, so rather than throwing dirty on people that have been playing townie this game imo we should look at the people not playing towards their wincon. . On May 09 2014 09:32 Tehpoofter wrote: Can you explain to me why a Mafia WoS sees his partners dying off and decides "I'm going to start trying harder and seem more excited about the game" he had basically the same feel in posting tone that you did where you suddenly got happier because the game was going in towns favor. He goes from sorta defeated to Alright maybe we got this! Why does ScumWoS do this? How is VE/VA/Caller more town than WoS? @Austin I don't have QT access but that instantly suspicious thing that you brought up reminds me of Catastrophe where I PMd VE during the PM phase and was hit with nothing but a wall about how he couldn't trust me. (He was traitor in that game) So when you said that it makes me actually feel like he is more Scummy. @slam/Austin/Jat/Wos/Palmer how is marv's scum game? Cause I had a pretty decent scum read on prphlz but Marv seems really town its hard to think they're the same "person" in the game cause htye seem like different alignments to me. Is marv good enough at scum to look townie like this? @Jat I think Ace/Caller are both fine shots neither has a connection to others so their flips are not as productive as someone who has said more than 2 sentences. I'm not wholly opposed to holding a shot. I will say that if I still had my shot shooting both caller and Ace would be a good day I feel like we hit a scum a large majority of the time. Caller asking everyone to role claim was really really weird to me it seems to benefit scum more than anyone else. @Caller can you explain the benefits of role claiming today? Why is it pro town and what information do you hope to gather? 1st On May 09 2014 09:50 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2014 09:40 marvellosity wrote: also poofter, dunno what drugs you're smoking but prplhz was mega town. He had opinions and pushed stuff and said stuff. That alone makes prp 99% town. You should check out his scumgames. The good kind of course. The part that stuck out to me was his push on Foolishness the day that Ceph came out. I just can't understand how that is townie. Austin seemed to think so too so maybe I'm just missing it but he seemed to not care at all like he already knew the info. Can you explain why that push was townie? He also was tunneling Foolish the day Oats got lynched. Thats my hold up with him/you because your posts have all seemed townie but he was off to me. I haven't seen his or your scum games though so I can speak to neither and people talk about you being really good so if he was playing bad scum you could be playing good scum. Also What do you make of Ace's interaction with Palmer? and Caller's "everyone mass claim"? I wish we could shoot both of them tbh. I feel like Ace is trying to buddy Palmer after pushing him for days and Caller says not a lot for the whole game then says "hey can a bunch of roles out that would be nice" Can some of the quite people please seem town you can't all be scum? Thanks 3rd. This is the first post where I say that CAller might be a better shot than Ace until then I had all been about shooting Ace. I realize this makes me look bad but I'm not going to leave something like this out cause I'm town and this was my thought process and I think that part of the post is important. On May 09 2014 18:48 Tehpoofter wrote: Show nested quote + On May 09 2014 13:04 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 09 2014 12:59 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 09 2014 12:50 VisceraEyes wrote: On May 09 2014 12:08 Tehpoofter wrote: @austin I posted it in one of other posts but can you link me to some of the townie posts you have for VE that are from the thread and not the QT. I feel like a lot of your argument is from things happening in the QT and not things in the thread. @VE So who else is with marv/prphlz? Which of the lurkers do you find the most scummy? 6 posts 2 given Poof I don't care. Right now we need to lynch marv/prplhz because he's literally claiming scum by going after me so hard right now. I'm like confirmed town, he's a jackass if he's town. And he's not a jackass, marv is easily one of the best town players I know. And he's wrong about me. PAY NO MIND to the fact that he's prplhz and prplhz is one of the scummiest players in the thread, marv is the best lynch today by far. I'll discuss lurkers when marv dies. Maybe by then they won't be lurkers anymore eh? A pipe dream I'm afraid. Although Ace seems to have small fragments of content today Caller just seems weirder and gumshoe might as well be a deaf mute. I however like to look at the wider picture we still have almost a full day to look into everyone. Tunneling is a great way to lose a game as town and convince yourself someone that is town is actually mafia ::cough:: Jat and Foolish ::cough:: I think a wide strokes approach is good at this point. Maybe not someone necessarily connected with Marv/prphlz but just in general someone scummy like a number 2 if for whatever reason Marv didn't pan out. I agree that prphlz looks scummy in his posts and is getting town read off one situation that does seem townie. I am slightly scared of Marv becuase he looks focused on finding scum seems like hes read up on things which reads townie to me but I've heard that he is very good. Why should he be reading you town VE you keep saying you're confirmed and shit what makes you so damn town cause honestly I'm not convinced from what you've said in the thread and your posts in the QT that austin has linked look kinda like our small interaction in Catastrophe pm where you kinda acted paranoid and blew me off but wanted to get a couple reads out of me demanding them. 7 posts 2 given In Catastrophe I was a traitor. I had no inside knowledge of the scumteam, and had no say over the kills. Comparing that game and this game, you'd have to factor that in and understand that it makes me town in this game. I had a TOWNIE perspective in Catastrophe. Look at BH, his first instinct in the game, as traitor, was to form a town circle. The exact same response he'd have as if he were a townie. The difference of course is that the traitor could be recruited in this game and not in Catastrophe, but for the sake of argument BH played this game with a townie perspective too. Trust me dude. Don't believe what you hear. This is my town-play. I get "I'm not impressed" literally /all/ the time. You're not hurting my feelings bro. @VE So you're saying that as traitor you actually want to play more townie? I really don't understand this logic I mean yes you want to appear town and work the game out but my question is why the town circle thing as traitor? Like for your own benefit? What makes Marv the correct lynch today? I mean aside from he is reading you wrong what if he is just reading you wrong? @Austin thanks for pointing that out after rereading it I can see that as being more townie of him to do my only issue is that was day 1/night 1 since then I haven't seem the same gusto just a whole bunch of "I'm town I'm town marv misreads me as mafia" I need to reread tomorrow on this. @Palmer I'm surprised this is the first time you've called me scum today I thought after yesterday it was super clear that I was the lynch (supposedly based on Foolishness' flip but I think you stated town or mafia I was still mafia). What took you so long to call me mafia today? @marv what made you change your mind on me? Is it because I said I thought you might be scummy based on your predecessor? Like aren't you above that kind of "this guy called me mafia so he is mafia" level of play? What do you think that the moment you call me not town Palmer hops up to agree with you? @Jat where you at man? What do you think about hte VE/Marv/WoS thing going on, I feel like there is at least one mafia in there (probably not WoS) or a scum team of like some combination of Ace/Caller/VA/gum is just sitting back and laughing today and coasting to an easy victory. With that point in mind I'd like to hear from VE/Marv/WoS who should Jat shoot today? Should he shoot? I'll go first. I think Caller is my preferred shot because of his lack of interest in the game/ability to figure it out. Ace being a close second because of the way he has interacted with Palmer in that He is scum he is scum he is scum then nvm he gave me Dota shit he must be town. Gumshoe would be a kill you make instead of the mod at this point. 8 posts 2 given AT marv I get It I was wrong on you but do you think me being wrong on you after you sub in for prphlz who I think plays scummy just in general for me makes me mafia? I will admit the wagon on you did give me pause but what did it for me was that you weren't lynched and no lynch happened. I think gumshoe is a fine lynch if he flips town VA/Palmer and we win. I have no clue how many posts I'm at hopefully not near cap. I'm a bit worried how fast Palmer switched (hopefully its just a bus or there are only 2) I wish other people are around to give some input on what they think. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 16 2014 00:51 GMT
#2064
On May 16 2014 09:37 gumshoe wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2014 09:35 justanothertownie wrote: On May 16 2014 09:17 gumshoe wrote: Eh, I'm still staying on Vayne, not voting for someone I'm pretty sure is town, even to save myself cause honestly, I'm pretty done with this game and I feel in mah gut poof is town. You are done with this game before you even start playing? Impressive. I aim to impress : D Unvote vote: Gumshoe kill me and be cursed : P you are no king of mine. what do you think likely scum teams are? I mean not like you have been paying attention but you did FoS Oats in the like one thing I remember you doing. If you're town giving up is really silly if you're scum roll over and die plz. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 16 2014 00:58 GMT
#2066
On May 16 2014 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here, I just want to lynch someone who isn't me or JAT or marv. Is that possible? Thx. ##Unvote ##Vote: gumshoe VE what do you think of me? What do you think of what I said about Palmer/VA/gum? Honestly the order doesn't matter to me why are you leaving WoS off that list and do you think there is any way we lose today? | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 16 2014 02:13 GMT
#2069
On May 16 2014 10:27 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On May 16 2014 09:58 Tehpoofter wrote: On May 16 2014 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm here, I just want to lynch someone who isn't me or JAT or marv. Is that possible? Thx. ##Unvote ##Vote: gumshoe VE what do you think of me? What do you think of what I said about Palmer/VA/gum? Honestly the order doesn't matter to me why are you leaving WoS off that list and do you think there is any way we lose today? No I don't think we can lose today imo. You're leaning town to me. I would have to reevaluate hard before saying with certainty that I can just lynch into Palmar/VA/gum for the win if gum flips town. As for my no-lynch list or whatever, at this point there are a bunch of little things that make me think marv is town, and admittedly I have /not/ gone back to see if prplhz' play is similar to his scumgames, which they very well might not be. And leading the Ace lynch is just...I don't know, it pretty much buys him until final three where he gets autolynched anyway. JAT was hard on Oats I think? Early, like, early enough where it doesn't make sense for him to be scum given that we know Oats was a day-vig, presumably with a shot still. And a solid body of effort consistent through the game regardless if I'm right about him being on Oats. I can roll with a JATownread for now. Understandable hopefully Gum flips scum here. I agree with the Jat town Marv town. Jat also pushed realyl really hard on foolish the day Oats was the counter wagon then didn't give up despite Oats getting lynched. To me it seems like scum wouldn't push that hard on a counter wagon unless it was lylo (this was day 2) He seemed convicted in his approach to the lynch. I read 2 of Prphlz mafia games briefly and prphlz does seem to play a more timid friendly mafia than what he played in this game. Plus the MArv push on Ace makes me think that Marv is town here. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 16 2014 05:56 GMT
#2081
@WoS props on the lynch on gum glad you pulled us off MArv. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 18 2014 00:16 GMT
#2143
I still think my theory of a team involving VA/Palmer/Gum/ACe holds strong after looking at the votes from the other day with gum surviving the CFD at EoD. The best part is Marv I still see you have worries about me now that there is an extra ML If were okay with Marv/VE/Jat/Wos we can lynch down the line between Me Palmer/ VA we win auto. I really don't have a preference if it makes you feel better you can start with me. I feel like VE/Jat/WoS (after the gumshoe lynch)/Marv (with the Ace lynch) have proven their townieness. Va/Palmer I believe are the last scum if there is 2 if there is 1 probably just VA the way he has played the game and didn't want to go on gumshoe or Ace is the most compelling to me. I Think VA is the best chance of hitting mafia and hopefully just winning the game right there. If its not him its most likely Palmer. ##Vote: VayneAuthority | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 18 2014 00:26 GMT
#2145
On May 18 2014 09:08 marvellosity wrote: doesn't really bear thinking about. it's pointless. then again i'm going to humour you so i don't waste my rapidly dwindling supply arguing further jat is the only megatown. I had niggling doubts but after gumshoe got lynched I went back and re-read the almost-gumshoe lynch from a couple days prior and jat looked soooooo town. He tried to consolidate town on to Ace (mafia) and then on to gumshoe (mafia). I wanted to find you scummy just now but it turns out you're probably just dumb. So not you either probably. VE ~~~~~~ meh. not a beacon of townie light to me especially as he was rallying people to my lynch the day gumshoe didn't die T.T But I guess he felt better for no particular reason although he still hasn't done that much. Also the fact no-one really went for his lynch kinda speaks in his favour (i know normally resistance to lynch = scummy, but in this case people i consider townies were either umming and ahhing or outright defending him.) So Palmar. Palmar can be scum simply for not being on lynches at the right time and not doing anything. Obviously my read is that this isn't the case, and I've tried to explain a few times why. Just don't feel it. I think in the end I want to lynch poofter, to see if i'm right, to make VA play if poof flips town too. Also there's the little thing i mentioned before... on the day Ace got lynched, the only two people else who had votes were gumshoe (1) and poofter (2). And Ace didn't fight that lynch, at all. Because the alternatives were buddies? We can lynch Mafia if you want as well Marv How about we lynch VA/Palmer if they flip town then you can lynch me because I'm quite confident they are the last 1 or 2. How about the fact I wanted to lynch gum the day we almost lynched you? I was willing to consolidate I also wanted Ace shot along with caller. I also Was least sure on gum until I looked at the votes from your lynch day and realized he could easily be someone mafia was tryign to not get lynched. Like I instantly voted right after. Do I really sound different to you than I did in the Catastrophe game? It surprises me you're not reading me as town from my posts. Can you explain further your read on Palmer? I mean basically because hes been wrong and fucked off and not done anything. How is that reading slightly town to you? The phrase "I just don't feel it" is weird to me can you explain any further? Because to me hes the 2nd most likely mafia in the game aside from VA. I have no clue wtf happened at night would someone who gets hit and has a vest typically claim it in this format? I know in epicmafia thats common but I've never played with it on forums outside of titanic and Koshi claimed he was Vet. | ||
Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
May 18 2014 00:35 GMT
#2146
On May 18 2014 09:24 marvellosity wrote: ok it does make me feel better. ##Vote: tehpoofter That makes one of us. Can you explain your read on Palmer further please and can you convince the rest of town to lynch VA/Palmer after I flip town? When I flip town Marv if you were still alive who would be your next two? I'm assuming VA/Palmer Just curious what your plan is going to be. Like I feel like we're in a really good spot I just have played too many games to know that when I die my reads get forgotten and people talk themselves out of auto wins because they doubt themselves or get convinced by strong mafia players to go elsewhere. WHEN POOFTER FLIPS TOWN LYNCH VA/PALMER I want everyone like chanting this to themselves that wants to vote me off "to be safe" cause I shot Koshi and had a different read than some. I feel like we earned an extra ML last night so I'm not as worried today as I was yesterday about dying as I think town can afford my death unless I'm wrong on WoS Marv Jat or VE we auto win. | ||
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