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On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that.
Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't?
Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town.
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On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority
Would totally lynch VA of course.
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On April 30 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority I am waiting on VA to come back and shoot Cephiro. I read the claim and was planning to talk to him about it. Pretty sure he typed that because he wants to shoot somebody today. If he doesn't do it or shoots somebody strange we have a problem. Voting him makes it sure he can't shoot. We want him to shoot a target town is ok with. So I suggest you give him a scummer instead of voting him. IN THE MEANTIME: Alakaslam and JAT think it is better to not let VA shoot obvious great scumtargets. Which means I can add another paragraph to my response to JAT ↓. Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town. My scumteams makes 0 sense even though you agree with 3 out of 4 guys in it? That's pretty much descrediting my entire scumteam while you only want to discuss your name in it. But wait. Do you really want those 3 shot? You were defending Foolishness with meta reasoning D1 right? You did give 3 names that needed to be shot right? It was RoL, Alakaslam and gumshoe. I do not see Cephiro in there. Wait let me see what is in your filter JAT: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 21:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote:
Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?
I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc. Do you think he would be this obvious as scum? I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment. IS IT MORE META DEFENSE OF PEOPLE IN MY LIST? It sure looks like it. EXTRA: So we have 4 people JAT wants shot: RoL, Cephiro, Alakaslam, Gumshoe. And then Foolishness lynched. But when VA claims dayvig (most likely) JAT wants to lynch VA instead of directing his shot on a scummer. Sounds legit!
Koshi when did you lose the ability to read? I did not defend Foolishness day1 I just stated that what he did (provide a read without reasoning) is not necessarily indicative of scum foolishness which is proven true.
And yes, your scumteam as a whole makes 0 sense as long as I am included in it.
I am not defending anyone else on it. Foolishness is a good lynch, the others are good shots. I literally say Cephiro is a decent shot in the fucking post you quoted.
Also VA did not claim dayvig anywhere. He softclaimed not VT that is all and I wanted to lynch that guy since day1.
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On April 30 2014 00:50 WaveofShadow wrote:
And yet somehow, I wouldn't be surprised if VA soft claimed blue and then let himself be lynched 'cause he didn't give a shit.
I guess we'll see.
For the talk of VA being dayvig, if Slam is actually town we likely don't have any more KP as we had SnB/Slam, and I don't see town getting shit tons of KP in a game where scum have 1-2 nightly KP.
This calculation doesn't add up like in other games. I can totally see more KP than usual just because of the no-flip mechanic.
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On April 30 2014 01:09 austinmcc wrote:
@Caller / VA stuff
No. Who cares if VA soft claims "not VT"? Palmar did that yesterday and you didn't ask someone to shoot him with anything real, nor did you try to push a lynch on him. 18,000 people have claimed or fakeclaimed vigi, and you didn't care much about that stuff. Yes. VA is either mafia or claiming a power role and maybe shouldn't be or is fakeclaiming and wants to get shot or whatever. Nobody cares. That's not AT ALL a reason to push someone for lynch.
"He said he was blue." GREAT. Nobody cares. Even if you think that indicates he's mafia because blues shouldn't be outing themselves, that would make you inconsistent in your response to claims AND that means that your #1 ichiban scumread for today is a dude who said he was blue and MIGHT be mafia or you think MIGHT be playing oddly/poorly.
If your #1 lynch is that, nobody in this game should be following you. Who is doing stuff that is SCUMMY?
@WoS
you wanted a task. There's a ... middle tier of people. Not the folks being discussed so far last night/today -----> BH, VE, prplhz maybe? Not the super vets, but they've been around longer than me, they can play, and they've posted. Could you look into them and give some general feelz, as well as anything super interesting in a townie/scummy way in any of those filters?
Also, dear God please don't listen to Koshi's crap about NKs. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Maybe one read in particular is good, maybe you're a consensus townie, maybe you're trying to derail a particular mislynch they want, maybe you took a shot, maybe getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Plus there's the whole "If Geript's reads were ACTUALLY right, that means Koshi more likely to be scum, which means don't listen to him." Geript probably has some good thoughts. But getting NKed doesn't mean all your reads are right.
Also there was already a task about looking at oats again or something, I gave it to you overnight.
@poofter
<3
I am generally in favor of using less KP, see all other posts. We dunno if we have coroners, how many, how many shots they have. I haven't played in no-flip games, and I think no-flips are pretty bad for town (especially when we don't know how many scum there are anyway, or KP formulas, so it's not even like we can ballpark it based on NKs). So I'm quite worried actually about no flips, towns seem to have a lot of trouble in games where they don't have a good handle on the setup and go into lategame unsure on scum numbers/mechanics, and the less no-flips we have, the better? Maybe?
My preferred targets would be oats/koshi/foolishness, but I'd much much rather wait than shoot. I'm playing "You don't ever shoot" mafia, and then in favor of dropping anyone who actually DOES shoot. Mwahahahaha. The more people alive, the more work scum has to do, get more mislynches, keep going and going, keep worrying about cops and whatnot. A couple extra alive dudes and an extra day or two is town-favored imo, moreso than the chance of hitting mafia with a shot and not having them flip.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF MUSHY REASONS BUT REALLY I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SHOTS BUT I'M NOT CURRENTLY KING OF THIS GAME SO YMMV.
I love this guy. Only strong townread I have right now. I will stop posting for a while since I am posting too much atm (I can't express how much I hate this restriction mechanic) but if you also have a task for me I will do it later today.
BH scumming it up and going for the most crapshoot lynch possible while avoiding to comment on anything that happened today/last night.
Oh, one last thing: Koshi if VA should be dayvig like you think he is perfectly able to shoot before we lynch him so that part of your post is - like most of the rest - total horseshit.
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That's not the only policy you are rescinding, Palmar. You also didn't lynch yourself for roleclaiming day1.
##Vote: Foolishness
Also scum: VA, BH.
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On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote:JAT, why is VA towards the tippy top of your scumlist? I know you posted on him, but the real meat of it is that VA is more engaged/cares, whereas you're not used to that. I've seen VA care in games. Is there more meat than just that? Talk to me about VA and why he should be on my scumlist please. VA caring doesn't vault him over other scummy people imo, but I'm pretty much always willing to find VA scummy and want to kill him  Also, talk to me about oats! You were kinda on board with oatsscum yesterday. You were worried about him not having a chance to defend himself. Lucky for oats/you (maybe), he DID get that chance. He's posted since I called him out. How do his posts make you feel, deep down inside? Why ain't HE at the tippy top of your scum lists?
About VA: I gave my reasons for him being scum in the first post I made about him and they are basically still the same. I just get the same feeling I got from him in the pm game (where he was my scumbuddy) - trying to be reasonable while pushing an agenda. He did his best to not give a fuck since I called him out but it's not convincing me.
About Oats: I was onboard yesterday mainly because I prefered killing him over SnB but oats is still pretty scummy. Sadly town oats often is pretty scummy too so you can never be sure with that one.
I was concerned that he couldn't defend himself but he returned and what he said was crap so I had no problem killing him. I still don't but I don't give in to the illusion that I am able to distinguish between antitown and scum oats very well.
I will read that Foolishness wall of text tomorrow...
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Ok, I couldn't resist to read it...
Foolishness you should not base your view on the game on speculation about if the lynch was controlled by mafia or not. As long as we don't know more alignments it leads nowhere. Also I really don't see why you clear people just because they had their own reasoning for voting SnB. I mean that's the thing to do as mafia - justifying your vote, isn't it? I don't see why BH has to be town from that in any way for example.
On April 30 2014 08:04 austinmcc wrote:Foolishness, that says a LOT about not-oats, when yesterday you were looking over him and snb at one point, and proceeded to just say nothing at all about oats ever. Including more or less up until now, because all this other stuff is real work and the oats bit is just him having a weak vote and being absent. This bit Show nested quote +I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? also doesn't quite jive with this bit [sic] You don't have to draw conclusions, you can be not really sure, but ... a red oats means mafia probably was NOT content with how things played out yesterday. Talk to me about oats and why he's mafia for doing scummy stuff and not for doing things that 2/3 the game is doing.
This is a very good post. Your narrative makes no sense if you actually think oats is scum Foolishness.
BANKS, I would be really upset if you shot Koshi right now. Don't do it. Hold your shot at least until later in the day.
Now I am gone for real...
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On April 30 2014 11:33 Tehpoofter wrote:
@JAT where are you on WoS?
Town - we seem to agree on a few things. Not a strong read though.
On April 30 2014 11:51 austinmcc wrote:
HEY EVERYBODY. EVERYONE SHOULD SAY WHAT YAMATO'S ALIGNMENT WAS. CORONER GETS A SINGLE CHECK EACH NIGHT, BUT THE RESULTS ONLY COME TO HIM. EVERYONE SAYS EACH DAY WHAT ALIGNMENT SOME NON-FLIPPED PERSON WAS. IF A CORONER DIES, THEN ... TA DA! WE JUST FOUND OUT THEIR RESULTS. THERE'S A NON-ZERO CHANCE THAT A CORONER OR MULTIPLE CORONERS GET KILLED BEFORE THEY CAN GIVE THEIR RESULTS OUT, AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T CRUMB OR DIDN'T CRUMB IN A WAY WE FOUND. IF EVERYONE, EVERY DAY, SAYS THE ALIGNMENT OF A NO-FLIPPED PLAYER (ASSUMING WE HAVE ONE), THEN THE CORONER IS COVERED.
ALSO IF YOU WANT YOU CAN TOTALLY SAY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOUR RESULT CAME BACK, AND USE THE WORD "FAKE" 3 TIMES DURING THE DAY AND NIGHT AFTER YOU GET A CHECK. THAT WAY MAFIA HAS TO DO A BUNCH OF LEGWORK IF THEY WANT TO TRY AND CATCH A CORONER BECAUSE ONLY ONE PERSON HAS CORRECT ALIGNMENTS EACH TIME. SUCK IT SCUM, ENJOY YOUR HOMEWORK. (OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD FAKE USE "FAKE" FOR BONUS MAFIAWORK. YESYES)
ON ANY FUTURE DAYS WE HAVE NO-FLIPPED PLAYERS, EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TOO
YOU'RE WELCOME, CORONER(S), ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT ME. YOU'RE WELCOME ME IF I'M THE CORONER. YAYAYAYA.
(I think Yamato was town. Also, any uses of the word fake in this post don't count towards my 3 for the day)
Gumshoe,
Yamato was probably town.
On April 30 2014 12:53 Foolishness wrote:
Austin I'm not sure what you're asking me about Oats. I think Oats is mafia for not doing anything this game and tossing around his vote. I think it's a debatable subject on whether or not there would have been more drama on day 1 if Oats is mafia. Personally, I don't think it's true, but I understand why you might think so.
Also I think Yamato is town.
You know why you are scum? Because a big part of your wallpost was about how you thought mafia sat back regarding the lynch day1. Then you gave a scumread on oats. Votes were tied 8:8 at some point between scum oats and town SnB in your world and you are telling me mafia just sat back? That people who pushed a SnB lynch have to be town? Not to mention that you somehow now are ok with killing Koshi who made the first original case on SnB despite saying that.
How on earth can anybody see this and go "yeah, that makes totally sense - Foolishness' reads/posts are good!"?
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On April 28 2014 13:01 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count! Palmar (1) - VisceraEyes, VayneAuthority, Odinofpergo, Ace Caller (0) - prplhz, Ace, Sandroba, yamato77, VisceraEyesGeript (0) - Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, BlazingHandVisceraEyes (0) - Caller, strongandbigprplhz (immune) (0) - Foolishness, Koshi, Blazinghand, Caller, prplhzstrongandbig (13) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, RebirthofLegend, BlazingHand, Caller, OdinofPergo, WaveofShadow, VayneAuthority, prplhz Cephiro (0) - prplhzFoolishness (0) - SandrobaOatsmaster (5) - Austinmcc, Yamato77 dead, Strongandbig, prplhz, justanothertownie, Cephiro, Sandroba, WaveofShadow, BlazingHand, OdinofPergoBlazinghand (0) - VisceraEyesSandroba (0) - VayneAuthority, WaveofShadowAlakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster Not Voting (2) - tehpoofter, gumshoe until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch.
Just look at this! The only person that has a chance of flipping scum on oats is Cephiro. Everyone else is town. Besides that there are only the non voters (I don't think that's alignment indicative so assuming there has to be scum there is a random thing) and Ace. EVERYONE ELSE IS ON SNB! And Foolishness it telling us mafia spread out and did not push this lynch. WTF!
This also makes me want to lynch oats again. We need a double lynch. Or a shot.
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I have limited time right now so I will adress Foolishness' bullshit in more detail later on. This guy is scum.
For now I bolded and underlined the part of him quoting me that completely invalidates the nonsense he is spouting:
On April 30 2014 19:42 Foolishness wrote:Now I just took the liberty of looking through your filter this game and noticed a quite unusual turn of mindset. Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 06:34 Foolishness wrote:
Gonna go out on a limb here and say that sandroba and Palmar are both town.
And by limb I mean I'd find it difficult to believe if you thought otherwise.
I'll just summarize main sandroba points:
1) in Bureaucracy mafia I made a bullshit case on day 1 and was afk for the rest of the game. I hardly even pushed it iirc. This game I got a town lynched.
2) I'm not soft defending Palmar, I'm hard defending him. I think he's town. Make a case if you think otherwise cause I haven't seen one other than he did something anti-town by pardoning prphlz. Even so, would not be upset if he died. Almost like a wildcard.
3) Cases weren't bullshit cause I didn't make them up. Legit thought prphlz was mafia (I've caught him before as mafia in the past). Don't think he's mafia anymore and would not lynch tomorrow.
So maybe this game is difficult and I or blazinghand or Koshi or 2 or all of us are mafia, and we all pushed a lynched yesterday that we knew was on a town.
Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). And it's even more likely cause there's a big handful of people that can be best summarized as:
1) Didn't really contribute much yesterday in terms of pushing a read.
2) Voted without much consideration or without following it up.
And that handful of people includes, Ace, Palmar, Alakaslam, Caller, RoL, WaveOfShadow, Cephiro and then VA and JAT to an extent.
Which boat you riding sandroba? You're "Foolishness is so awful as mafia this is him leading the town to a mislynch with his scumbuddy Palmar" or the "town lynched a town and mafia just sat back and enjoyed the show"? I know what boat I'm in and it doesn't involve any conspiracy theories about mafia buddies purposely ignoring each other.
Yes prphlz, I did look at would lynch Cephiro in a heartbeat.So, to clarify: Did you actually mean to say Palmar/Sandroba are town or is that a typo? Because the rest of your posts does not suggest that as far as sandroba is concerned. You basically call everything he said wrong. Also I think it is quite ridiculous that you group me in the list of people who "voted without much consideration". That is absolutely not true. I made it very clear that I thought oats was the better lynch and I even spoke to you about why your case does not make SnB mafia. You claim oatsmaster never got traction which is a blatant lie. If that was the case how come it was tied (8:8 or something like that) at some point? If you are town you can do better and you will have to because if you don't provide some magic today I am very inclined to sheep sandroba and lynch you. On April 29 2014 16:53 Koshi wrote:
##vote Foolishness
Because I am not impressed. Also Sandroba is ded.
imo people should shoot Foolishness. Also Palmar.
PEOPLE PLS SHOOT FOOLISHNESS AND PALMAR.
Thank you. I don't think we should be shooting Foolishness. If he doesn't start shitting towny rainbows we lynch him today. We learn nothing by shooting him.Could you please explain your Foolishness read in more detail now like you promised earlier? I still think your change from "mouth already full" to totes scum makes no sense the way you presented it. The same goes for you Koshi, so BANKS I would recommend not shooting Koshi. Koshi said it himself but I think it is kinda true that he would not lead a lynch that way as scum. I mean he could be scum but he will be readable in the future. We need to get rid of the question marks who will remain question marks all game and we sadly have plenty of them this game. Examples: slam, RoL, gumshoe... if you have some kind of scumread on one of those people they make a better shot than the vocal guys. Then a whopping two and a half hours later you say that I'm a good lynch (before proceeding to vote me hours after): Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:50 justanothertownie wrote:On April 30 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote:On April 30 2014 00:27 Caller wrote:we're ignoring all the other crap you guys are spouting, half of you are chasing your own tails and the other half of you are mafia. we're focusing on this now. On April 30 2014 00:14 Caller wrote:On April 29 2014 12:17 VayneAuthority wrote:
didnt even know there was vanilla town in this game, what a scrub lol are you guys fucking kidding me the guy just softed a blue claim, and there isnt a bomb or meth dealer or w/e role. There's only two reasons why you would do this: either you're a fucking retard that wants to get killed by mafia, or you're actually mafia. i tend to think better of humanity than to assume everybody is a fucking retard, so VA claim, it's out in the open anyways. ##vote: VayneAuthority I am waiting on VA to come back and shoot Cephiro. I read the claim and was planning to talk to him about it. Pretty sure he typed that because he wants to shoot somebody today. If he doesn't do it or shoots somebody strange we have a problem. Voting him makes it sure he can't shoot. We want him to shoot a target town is ok with. So I suggest you give him a scummer instead of voting him. IN THE MEANTIME: Alakaslam and JAT think it is better to not let VA shoot obvious great scumtargets. Which means I can add another paragraph to my response to JAT ↓. On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town. My scumteams makes 0 sense even though you agree with 3 out of 4 guys in it? That's pretty much descrediting my entire scumteam while you only want to discuss your name in it. But wait. Do you really want those 3 shot? You were defending Foolishness with meta reasoning D1 right? You did give 3 names that needed to be shot right? It was RoL, Alakaslam and gumshoe. I do not see Cephiro in there. Wait let me see what is in your filter JAT: On April 29 2014 21:39 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote:
Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?
I noticed that too. The problem here is that I would not put it past Cephiro to do this as town for some weird ass play. He totally claimed traitor with the recruiting stuff and the "don't shoot me it's not worth it" etc. Do you think he would be this obvious as scum? I mean he is a decent shot don't get me wrong, but I am not sure about his alignment. IS IT MORE META DEFENSE OF PEOPLE IN MY LIST? It sure looks like it. EXTRA: So we have 4 people JAT wants shot: RoL, Cephiro, Alakaslam, Gumshoe. And then Foolishness lynched. But when VA claims dayvig (most likely) JAT wants to lynch VA instead of directing his shot on a scummer. Sounds legit! Koshi when did you lose the ability to read? I did not defend Foolishness day1 I just stated that what he did (provide a read without reasoning) is not necessarily indicative of scum foolishness which is proven true. And yes, your scumteam as a whole makes 0 sense as long as I am included in it. I am not defending anyone else on it. Foolishness is a good lynch, the others are good shots. I literally say Cephiro is a decent shot in the fucking post you quoted. Also VA did not claim dayvig anywhere. He softclaimed not VT that is all and I wanted to lynch that guy since day1.
POOFTER! If you shoot Koshi I will be fucking mad. Don't do it or suffer the consequences -> I will shoot you when I return.
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On May 01 2014 00:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Other than the incorrect claim that it's a crap shoot nobody had any real objections to lynching gun eight
Yes, yes it is a crapshoot. If you have a gun feel free to shoot gumshoe - maybe I will even do it - but today we are lynching foolishness. Get on the wagon. Lynch of justice yada yada.
I want to see more votes on Foolishness!
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On May 01 2014 01:03 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 00:47 justanothertownie wrote:On May 01 2014 00:40 Blazinghand wrote:
Other than the incorrect claim that it's a crap shoot nobody had any real objections to lynching gun eight Yes, yes it is a crapshoot. If you have a gun feel free to shoot gumshoe - maybe I will even do it - but today we are lynching foolishness. Get on the wagon. Lynch of justice yada yada. I want to see more votes on Foolishness! Foolishness really is not scum. I'm in a mason qt with him and with few exceptions he has been helpful and honest. Even better he has pushed me to develop and clarify my reads. He asks questions and shares thoughts and ideas. Foolishness has put more work into solving this game than any of you jub jubs. Why not lynch one of the many scummy people like Gumshoe instead of the helpful foolishness?
Foolishness has not been helpful at all. He made made a bad case on SnB day1 and that's basically it.
Other than that he came up with a illogical theory about the day1 lynch and directly contradicted himself by elaborating on how mafia didn't care about the lynch while one of them (oats) was the realistic counterwagon.
He went at me after I had called him out for that and did not even read the post he quoted completely. But he still wrote a giant ass post about it. If he was town and really thought about it he would have noticed that I actually wrote that I wanted to lynch him in that post already.
Sandroba told us to lynch him. We are not talking about a usual read here - he was literally 100 % sure Foolishness is scum.
BH is also scum and defending him.
We are lynching Foolishness.
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On May 01 2014 01:33 Blazinghand wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mf59Tqn.jpg) What really seals the deal for me with "Foolishness is Scum" is this. Foolishness and I during D1 were hanging out in the !T being biffles. About an hour before the lynch, we're discussing various candidates and Foolishness said he had a meta read on Oatsmaster. He asked me to compare Oats post here as mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432880-white-flag-mafia?page=11#216 with Oats most here in this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?page=9#166What's important to see here is that these posts are actually very different. They both begin with a one-liner and have two paragraphs, but they represent different playstyles. In one, Oats is meta-ey, and in the other he talks about mindset and stuff. Basically, I'm pretty sure Foolishness was planting this as a trap to see if I would accept bad reasoning about Oatsmaster, and when I rejected it, he quickly moved on. In other words: even though we were productive, Fool was subtle trying to catch me out in case I was scum, and evaluate my chops. I can tell you that this is just one of many times we compared evidence. If I were scum, and also not quite as observant and talented as I am (since I am the #1 player on Tl Mafia) it might have even worked. Most people on this forum underestimate me or think I'm joking when I say I'm th ebest, and Foolishness probably bought into that when he tried to trick me like this. The point isn't whether or not I'm the best (though I am), the point is the fact that Foolishness was willing to go through all this effort means he must be town trying to solidify his read on me. I can't at all see how he could be scum.
Wow, what a great defense. You don't even address a single point brought up against him. All you give us is this story about how protown both of you have been in your qt. I don't know if you really are masons and I don't really care that much tbh. since it doesn't tell us anything about your alignment. One question though - where you in the qt from the start (only the 2 of you)?
As long as you 2 are not town/useful in the THREAD I call bullshit on your story about 2 townheros figuring each other out.
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We will see about that when he flips. I am done with this - you are not presenting arguments you just call me names and tell us how great you are (I remember the last time you were a mason btw. - best player NA...).
To everyone else: Read BHs posts. See that he doesn't raise a single point for foolishness being town that does not depend on their supposed qt experience (which we cannot check). Lynch Foolishness now and BH tomorrow.
afk
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AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again...
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On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi everyone! So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro. Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did. Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo. Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:07 Cephiro wrote:On April 29 2014 07:04 geript wrote:On April 29 2014 07:01 Cephiro wrote:
Mason group please recruit me. That's all for tonight. You've made what... 1 post. Fuck that idea. Vigi shoot Ceph. That will solve the problem. Now I've made two. There is no "problem". A vig shot on me would be a waste with much better targets around. No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more. My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so.
You are sheeping geript on his Cephiro read but don't even mention how Sandroba guaranteed us that Foolishness is scum? Wut?
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On May 01 2014 02:45 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again... I continue to be a fan of less/no shots. I'm gonna try to pull the lynch around, but it doesn't seem I can pull people to not shoot and just let lynches do work. If you're shooting someone who is a major lynch candidate, you probably should go ahead and do it, because ... we need to CONSOLIDATE and not be split and then have one guy with votes get shot late in a day when euros are asleep. I don't think you SHOULD shoot (if you actually can), but oh well. But you should make shots on your choice of guy. I'm trying to do a little leading here, but not full-on assign everyone actions, because I still want to see what everyone does when not assigned crap, and I don't have pull yet to do full-on assigning. So...I dunno. Mainly I just want to avoid no-flips. Having none or max of 1 a day lets us do that. I think the value of avoiding no-flips is pretty high for town, and it's high enough that it outweighs possibly shooting mafiosos? THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A TERRIBLY WRITTEN RESPONSE, UNSURE
Ok, at this point I have to realize that I will absolutely need post donations today again. Prplhz? Anyone? 
Yeah, noflip sucks. But I will definitely shoot today now that I claimed. If I don't scum just shoots me tonight and I don't get my shot. Or they don't and push me day3 for not dieing. No thanks.
I get that you want to see who I would decide to shoot on my own but if you aren't scumreading me please tell me who you would like to die. You are one of my townreads and I want advice before shooting. Everyone else may give suggestions too.
I could also ego trip and just shoot one of my top scumreads like BH, Foolishness or Vayne but I would rather see them flip tbh. (especially Foolishness). Shooting a lurking question mark may be better. I don't know. Need input.
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On May 01 2014 03:36 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:On May 01 2014 02:45 austinmcc wrote:On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again... I continue to be a fan of less/no shots. I'm gonna try to pull the lynch around, but it doesn't seem I can pull people to not shoot and just let lynches do work. If you're shooting someone who is a major lynch candidate, you probably should go ahead and do it, because ... we need to CONSOLIDATE and not be split and then have one guy with votes get shot late in a day when euros are asleep. I don't think you SHOULD shoot (if you actually can), but oh well. But you should make shots on your choice of guy. I'm trying to do a little leading here, but not full-on assign everyone actions, because I still want to see what everyone does when not assigned crap, and I don't have pull yet to do full-on assigning. So...I dunno. Mainly I just want to avoid no-flips. Having none or max of 1 a day lets us do that. I think the value of avoiding no-flips is pretty high for town, and it's high enough that it outweighs possibly shooting mafiosos? THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A TERRIBLY WRITTEN RESPONSE, UNSURE Ok, at this point I have to realize that I will absolutely need post donations today again. Prplhz? Anyone? Yeah, noflip sucks. But I will definitely shoot today now that I claimed. If I don't scum just shoots me tonight and I don't get my shot. Or they don't and push me day3 for not dieing. No thanks.I get that you want to see who I would decide to shoot on my own but if you aren't scumreading me please tell me who you would like to die. You are one of my townreads and I want advice before shooting. Everyone else may give suggestions too. I could also ego trip and just shoot one of my top scumreads like BH, Foolishness or Vayne but I would rather see them flip tbh. (especially Foolishness). Shooting a lurking question mark may be better. I don't know. Need input. See, this is fine by me.
Maybe. But it's not fine by me. I won't waste town KP and I have no intention to fight against retarded accusations tomorrow.
Thank you for the posts prplhz! Someone donate Koshi some. He needs to speak more - elaborate on those reads and so on because that last post was awful in my opinion.
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You know what. If I am not sold on a target until I am going to bed in 2-3 hours I might honor your request and hold my shot austin. You are right that they at least don't hit a coroner/medic etc. and I will just shoot the first person that attacks me for surviving in the face tomorrow. At least I am not ruining my awesome 5/5 scum kill statistic as vig this way.
But my vote is pretty much set in stone. It is on the biggest wagon (-> consolidation goes towards foolishness) and the person I want to lynch the most. I am not moving it.
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