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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 28 2014 02:14 GMT
#501
Part of the reasoning for switching off Caller is that the fake nuke changes the whole point of lynching him in the first place. I don't find that strange to include. So I'd say you're half right, ie Oats not really properly explaining my vote on SnB but I'm really not seeing this as an important issue.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 28 2014 02:22 GMT
#502
Sorry, let me clarify a bit, Being neutral means when a lynch goes south you won't likely end up on someones radar for being the person who pushed the wrong lynch. This is why it's never a bad idea to check out the 3-5 votes on lynch. Chances are you will find a mafia who is trying to hop on a band wagon.
On April 27 2014 00:37 strongandbig wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 14:47 geript wrote:
##Vote Caller

There's lots of amounts of stupid that I can deal with; well maybe not lots, but that's beside the point. But either fake nuking or real nuking idk 4 hours into a game means you don't care about the game whatsoever. If Caller is town, this is 100% unacceptable especially since Day Vig powers are no-flip. On top of this, Palmer's best day is day 1; why in the fuck if Caller was town would he give Palmer any incentive to just fuck off like that. Like it's a complete crapshoot to think that this would "incentivize" Palmer to read/analyze/whatever over just saying "fuck this game." I know that Caller is known for some pretty fucked up games and as far as I know he's not a half bad player. This play is just fucking ridiculous; if you don't want to play, then don't play. But if you're going to pull bullshit like this, then we're going to fucking lynch you for it. If this isn't real, then we'll find out but I see no reason not to lynch the fuck out of Caller as of right now.

2


My initial reaction is definitely to nod along with this.

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On April 26 2014 14:54 Blazinghand wrote:
I honestly don't see how this says anything about caller's alignment. If you really thought that caller was scum blatantly shooting someone geript you wouldn't feel the need to write such a long paragraph justifying such a simple thought. Caller is just Caller and you're just scum. Scum who is overexplaining cause he knows he's lying

##vote geript


I don't agree. In a game with a jillion dayvigs analyzing the use of dayvig shots is actually significant. Plus, do you actually disagree with his analysis? Or just with his post length?


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On April 26 2014 14:54 VisceraEyes wrote:
If Caller is scum someone like Foolishness or Ace dies if they're town not Palmar.


This is a good point though. Not voting caller despite mostly agreeing with
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On April 26 2014 15:02 Blazinghand wrote:
VE, be more careful with your posts. They don't grow on trees! Slam, keep on posting, the sooner you use yours up, the better.

VE: I understand what you're saying about Palmar, but I do not think it likely he will flip scum. I don't think it's a good policy to just maxvote anyone with a nuke on them because thye MIGHT be scum and shoot someone. If there's anyone I'd trust as town to actually make a non-shit shot, also (besides myself, who never misses) it would be palmar.

I'd rather place my vote on geript.

Suck it.

I like this post too.... How do so many ppl be making so much sense?

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On April 26 2014 15:45 Caller wrote:
##Vote: Visceraeyes

#rekt


Ok I never thought I would be agreeing with caller so early but here we are... VE just feels scummy here.



At what point do we start calling alakazam scum for wasting his posts spamming so he doesn't have to contribute?

Posting now cause my phone is getting wet and I don't want to accidentally delete stuff.


On April 27 2014 02:51 strongandbig wrote:
We have more than 30 hours left in the day. Lets talk about who is scum for a while. There's no need to shut anything down yet.

This whole little post along with those bits in red. That's how I interpreted it anyway.

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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
April 28 2014 02:29 GMT
#503
##unvote
##vote: strongandbig

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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 28 2014 02:36 GMT
#504
##unvote
##vote oatsmaster

@rol do you dissagree with any of the points snb made in those posts? Keep in mind, although he is agreeing with a bunch of different people, it's early day 1 and it is pretty normal to take your time to realise who is making sense and who is trying to pull the strings. Do you think that it is more likely for mafia to make a post like that, than a townie trying to figure out the game?
@caller didnt you have an oats gut scum read? Why in hell are you voting for the opposing wagon?
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
April 28 2014 02:39 GMT
#505
OK snap we need to consolidate.
I haven't been around so I'm going to
##Unvote
I still don't like anything Palmar has done.
But I have no hope of pushing this lynch and no one else seems to think..
well, bluntly put, doing anti town things makes you not town.
w/e. I'm not happy but there is tomorrow.

I'm also willing to donate post to people who are around to discuss topics.
I'm a bit behind but I will focus on catching up before the deadline.

Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
April 28 2014 02:43 GMT
#506
Sry guys can't post any more tonight, gf is here and we're going to bed soon. Anyway I've made all the defense I want to and I'm comfortable with killing oats. Also comfortable with killing ve and slam. Probably also bh.

Honestly if there's a last minute voteswitch to anyone other than oats it should probably be to slam. Even his explanation doesn't make sense, when he shot Yamato he had already said he was gonna shoot bh not ramdomize between my voters. Seems like an excuse to use a shot without having to justify a strong scum read. It's not just a yolo trollshot like caller's fake nuke was, IMO.

Anyway I'll try and sneak a peek at my phone in an hour or so to see if I need to switch my vote. But I've explained my thought processes already and if you still think I'm lying then fine, at least if I get lynched I'll flip town and you can all QQ about how wrong you were.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 28 2014 02:45 GMT
#507
Playing LoL for dat sweet sweet 2xIP
##Vote: Oatsmaster
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 28 2014 02:52 GMT
#508
don't remember seeing an easier lynch and a bigger wagon than oats but whatever, better than strongandbig

##Vote Oatsmaster

i don't hold high hopes for this

inb4 it's a scum tell that i vote for a wagon and denounce it in the same post 9 mins before deadline
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
April 28 2014 02:54 GMT
#509
Omfg if we don't lynch snb today I promise none of you halfwitted semihodors will ever live this down.Consolidate to SnB. Its Majority.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 28 2014 02:55 GMT
#510
bh why should we lynch snb
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
April 28 2014 02:57 GMT
#511
Does prphlz always want to policy lynch people?
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
April 28 2014 02:59 GMT
#512
fine i can't have a no-lynch

##unvote

##vote oats
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 28 2014 03:00 GMT
#513
no i don't remember wanting to policy lynch people in any game, except for that one game where i wanted to policy lynch mrzentor but i was scum in that game

i can link it to you if you don't believe me
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
April 28 2014 03:04 GMT
#514
OK.

I haven't really thought about everything yet.
So this is really subject to peer review.
But let me lay it out as best I can.

Geript,VE,Slam, and Yam claimed to have dayvig. Or at least soft claimed it.
The only person to retract on this is Geript if I have been reading things correctly.

So..

Who between Slam, VE, and Geript is scum?
Yam already died.
I refuse to believe that scum Yam outted himself without making ANY action..
to let his scum team KILL him for wifom.
That's retarted.
We don't need a Yam flip to presume he was town.

SnB
This guy is such a hot topic.
I really feel uncomfortable with his lynch atm though.
Like I read it... and come to the conclusion "This dude totes scum"
and then someone post something and I re-read
And then I am like "Wtf Odin, you so confirmation biased"
Basically, I've been double guessing myself the entire game with him.
I'm confused and I'm not sure if he's scum or bad town.

Cephiro voting Oats is pretty interesting to me.
I don't like Oats play.
I have no regards to Ceph play.
And what I mean by "no regards" is this guy has literally posted ONE post since this game has begun.
He has 4 other post but they don't appear to say much.
So why the heck is Ceph flying under the radar?
Why is he silent voting Oats?
Will we ever know?
Given circumstances, probably not. This dude could totes be scum.

Lastly since I'm running short on time.
Geript soft claims dayvig in his post towards WoS.
He later gives this up.
I don't remember the exact post right now but filter him or w/e.
there is a "or else" Wave replies something to the lines of "that's cute babe"
I didn't take much of it from then but now it MAY be important.

Consider that Geript,Yam,VE, and Slam have claimed dayvig.
This is a retarded amount of KP for town during the day.
I don't buy it for a second.
Yam died. I don't believe he had dayvig but I do believe he was town.
One. Maby two if NOT 3 of them are either strait FULL of Themselves, outright lying, or scum.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
April 28 2014 03:04 GMT
#515
Wait, we have an extra hour. Get the fuck onto SnB

##unvote
##vote SnB
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 28 2014 03:05 GMT
#516
hey fool you still around?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
April 28 2014 03:06 GMT
#517
Expanding on Oats/Ceph since I didn't before.
I'm not really sure what to make of Ceph.
I can believe Oats to be mafia per his play.
I'm not entirely sure on it but it's in my list.
If Oats flip mafia then I think we should look into Oats.

per that

##Vote: Oatsmaster
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
April 28 2014 03:07 GMT
#518
On April 28 2014 12:04 OdinOfPergo wrote:
This guy is such a hot topic.
I really feel uncomfortable with his lynch atm though.
Like I read it... and come to the conclusion "This dude totes scum"


you should just stop your throught process here and vote SnB
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
TL+ Member
OdinOfPergo
Profile Joined December 2011
United States840 Posts
April 28 2014 03:07 GMT
#519
sorry, if Oats flips mafia then I think we should look at Ceph.
Wording too strong.
Ik weet niet wie ik denk dat ik ben. Ik weet niet wie ik zogenaamd in gesprek met. je niet hier, niemand is. Ik ben hier niet, niets is.
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
April 28 2014 03:09 GMT
#520
On April 28 2014 10:40 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
##Donate 5 posts to prplhz
##donate 5 posts to alakaslam

Oh! Thank you greatly!

On April 28 2014 09:06 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2014 22:53 prplhz wrote:
One thing is to propose a dumb plan or come up with a dumb read, townies do that all the time and disagree on whether it's actually dumb or not. Another thing is shooting someone a couple posts into the game, everybody know that's a dumb thing to do. There aren't multiple points of view here, I know it's a dumb thing, you know it's a dumb thing, Caller knows it is a dumb thing. Caller knows it's a dumb anti townie thing and he's doing anyway and that's really all there is to it: people who know something is anti town and yet proceed to do it are likely scum, it's that simple.


As much as trying to think about the game as an environment where people for for the logical or optimal choices, that's not what happens here. I don't even bother trying to make my assumptions on optimal plays or expecting someone to do what I feel is logical since it just won't happen. Townies rarely make the best choices available, even if it seemed like an easy choice looking at it later on. As scum, you can intentionally play sub-optimally to make you look more town to people that assume there is no reason to not do such. (Such as in my last game in Cell, I pushed for geript at the end instead of prplhz when going for prplhz would have been the "easy" mislynch, but I thought that if I push for him it may seem to others too easily as the obvious mislynch pick, and that someone might pick on the logic and defend me for not going for prplhz even though I could have done that, since "trying to get geript lynched made no sense from mafia perspective".

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On April 28 2014 04:54 prplhz wrote:
If what Caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him? He only got 4 votes, including sandroba and Ace who usually have quite a bit of town pull. Hence it needed more explanation, I responded to people using arguments like "too dumb to be scum" and explained why they didn't apply. If what caller did was super scummy to everyone then why didn't people want to lynch him?


There's just no point in going 100% "Lynch Caller" after what he did, agree on that and kill the discussion, it doesn't get us anywhere. Especially with the most votes -> disable daykill powers mechanic which can be used in interesting ways. If it had been a real nuke, I'd probably be voting to lynch Caller right now. I still don't like what he did, but at the moment I feel it was much more likely to come from a town player rather than a scum player. At start when we "can afford", there's no reason to force ourselves into a decision at the start of a cycle when a lot of things can still come up.

Point of curiosity: Just how many posts did JAT waste solely on asking people to donate him more? Yeah. Using your last posts to provide nothing yet ask for more is a bit interesting.. contradictory even. Given that you can't be sure you'll gain any, why not make use of what you have left if you're in danger of running out?

@geript: I prefer to concentrate on one thing at a time, enjoy esports first and delve into mafia later, rather than do both half-assedly at the same time.

Alakaslam: Retarded shot. And here I was thinking you might be town a while ago.

General: I am not getting on snb wagon, I feel like it's a mislynch wagon. The oats wagon might be onto something however, and I don't see any bad names on that wagon either. If I had to consolidate on someone, I would get on Oats.

Caller's shot is terribad. Why prp...?

Will be around for a little while or until I fall asleep. Also doing this to prove I have no KP:

#Kill: Blazinghand
#Nuke: Blazinghand


... Only one hash, proves nothing -_-

On April 28 2014 09:57 geript wrote:
To snooglewoogle I am the oats whisperer. I don't think any of your points actually make him scum. Normal people, maybe but not oats IMO.
I'm really surprised slam shot without any provocation. That's pretty far out his character. Like really really far out of his character. Enough so that I'm considering him again.
I don't get why Sandroba doesn't like the SnB stuf.
~16


No provocation?!?

Did you read my given reason for my shot?!?

I was in an RNG list he set up with no posts left! I was half defending all the vets on that list, a quarter getting an opportunity to say something, and a quarter self defense!

Stuff like this I say please AMA about my shot because clearly I did not make myself understood!
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