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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-28 01:09:18
April 28 2014 01:08 GMT
#481
Vote Count!


Palmar (2) - VisceraEyes, VayneAuthority, Odinofpergo, Ace
Caller (0) - prplhz, Ace, Sandroba, yamato77, VisceraEyes
Geript (0) - Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, BlazingHand
VisceraEyes (0) - Caller, strongandbig
prplhz (immune) (1) - Foolishness, Koshi, Blazinghand, Caller, prplhz
strongandbig (7) - Foolishness, Alakaslam, Geript, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes, RebirthofLegend, BlazingHand
Cephiro (0) - prplhz
Foolishness (1) - Sandroba
Oatsmaster (5) - Austinmcc, Yamato77 dead, Strongandbig, prplhz, justanothertownie, Cephiro
Blazinghand (1) - VisceraEyes
Sandroba (2) - VayneAuthority, WaveofShadow
Alakaslam (1) - Oatsmaster

until lynch. With 22 alive, 12 votes are needed to lynch.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 28 2014 01:08 GMT
#482
Because this is my first game with Foolishness and I'm really unsure where I stand on him. Like I think SnB is a great fucking lynch but after I got up from my nap I wasn't really impressed with his meta read on him. I've also not been impressed with him missing the fact that Ceph has indeed played scum recently and played it exceptionally similar to this game. As far as tone being different, idk that's possible I guess. But I'm also not coming in 200 pages late. That's a pretty big difference. Like I can read this whole thread in less than an hour likely. Like I have really not been impressed by Foolishness, but I'm just not quite seeing it. Maybe it's just that I haven't ever played in a game (other than 1-2 video) with foolishness in it.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 28 2014 01:10 GMT
#483
Oh fuck... this is majority lynch. I fucking hate majority lynhc.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 28 2014 01:11 GMT
#484
On April 28 2014 09:32 sandroba wrote:
So far I got as possible scum foolishness oats slam and possibly koshi and bh. I'm fair game to kill any of these today.

Lynch all the guys on snb!
I had a good night of sleep.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 28 2014 01:15 GMT
#485
Here's the thing. I don't see any better wagon right now. Not having a lynch is 100% not acceptable. SnB is wagon of justice people. Do the right thing. Free smores to everyone who joins.
~21
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25551 Posts
April 28 2014 01:17 GMT
#486
We need 5 more on SnB or we no-lynch. Come on guys.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 28 2014 01:22 GMT
#487
I only have like 3 posts left after this, so I'm gonna try and cover a couple things.

On April 28 2014 09:47 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 09:43 austinmcc wrote:
On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Geript save me!!
Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that. Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner.
I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum
Really? I'd be interested in you pointing out where this happens.

Cuz after the fake shot, geript NEVER MENTIONS the fake shot, and mentions caller/palmar in relation to someone else feeling like they had too much information, not as a way of giving any kind of read on caller or palmar themselves, until writing this post.

On April 27 2014 15:46 geript wrote:
I think I'm wrong on Koshi. That case on SnB is really quite good. BH's less so but not awful. Koshi for right now is the hero this town deserves. I'm really disappointed that I didn't see this before :/ S&B's early filter from Catastrophe HERE looks really different, but I'm not quite sure how that translates over. I compared it to his filter from Sicilian HERE where he was mafia dayvig. BH's points against S&B actually look a lot better on that because S&B was so "I don't know" and 50/50 on shit. In comparison, S&B looks a bit hedgy in his posts in Catastrophe but his posts come off as more matter of fact or that it's just how he feels. Whereas in Sicilian, it just looks and feels like he's saying stuff because he feels compelled to talk. I don't think that Koshi's point from his list post (says "let's talk about who we think are scum bu doesn't") is a good one, but damn I really like his short case on S&B.
#unvote
#vote strongandbig

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This post in which it APPEARS that geript dislikes SnB and has come around on Koshi due to Koshi's case on SnB, and not for any reasons whatsoever involving caller/palmar/nukes/crabcakes.





Sandro, would be interested in minor explanations, specifically whether you're drawing connections betwixt folks or whether they're all just scummy in their own rights. Also, pretend (if you're not actually there) that you're in the mafia QT this game please. Does the mafia team push all mafia duders to post their full post count each day? Do they think giving away posts is a good strategy to look townier? Do they not care at all about the restriction and just play however they want? Essentially, do you think a mafia team is going to shift their post counts at all due to the restriction, because they think a certain way of using posts feels townie?

I honestly could care less by post cap and giving away posts. I dont think it means shit. And yes I find them all scummy for different reasons, it's d1 and trying to put a team together or talking about what might be their strategy is a waste of time. Tell me if you agree with what I said about foolishness instead.
I disliked Foolishness's case on SnB, when I often find myself liking town foolishness's cases. It's been awhile since I played with mafia Foolishness, Bureacracy and Parallel Worlds. I don't fully agree with scum foolishness busting out D1 cases, iirc he didn't in Bureacracy until he was really getting hammered for NOT doing it, and I remember him not getting moving for a bit in Parallel. So, I'm not inclined to super sheep your foolishness meta there, specifically don't agree with how mafia foolishness acts. I'm not inclined to lynch him D1, and I'm certainly not inclined to try and start swapping votes to him at the tail end of a D1 where town hasn't gotten a majority all day and has a bunch of sneaky snakes. His SnB case worries me, but only because I'm reacting differently to that than to cases he's made in recent games we've played. Enough to watch him. Not enough to put him top on any list I'd make.

It's difficult to tell whether you're associating people or find them all scummy in their own right when you don't write anything and there are ties between folks based on pushing one lynch/not pushing another. Just checking.


On April 28 2014 09:57 geript wrote:
To snooglewoogle I am the oats whisperer. I don't think any of your points actually make him scum. Normal people, maybe but not oats IMO.
I'm really surprised slam shot without any provocation. That's pretty far out his character. Like really really far out of his character. Enough so that I'm considering him again.
I don't get why Sandroba doesn't like the SnB stuf.
~16
I'd totally claim to be more oats-whispery than you. Or at the very least I can often identify town oats even when people are trying to lynch him. Regardless of who whispers best, I think you be wrong.


***NEW THINGS***
On April 28 2014 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:
The problem with going after oats now is that he won't be able to defend himself if he is town. His filter looks horrible though.
This was a legit point. I don't love the idea of lynching someone when they won't be around to defend themselves. BOO ME FOR MAKING MY POST LATE IN THE DAY. BOO ME. There, now we're done.

HOWEVER

Oatsmaster DID come back to thread. Now let's see what he came back to the thread and did, and how he defended himself.

On April 28 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
well what the fuck.
##unvote
##vote Slam

The reason I didnt talk about nuke+caller+palmar is that happened fucking long ago and it did have an impact on my read, ie geript town. Austin, you know when town does stupid shit it makes them look like scum but when they stop their stupid shit it doesnt make them look like scum? I dont know if you know how to play, but reads change based on new info.

Meh i need more time to figure out why the fuck caller instantly shoots a fake nuke because its not for the lulz but I think that Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was.
Caller was TOWN for nuking palmar, because what scum would out themselves, so stupid it couldn't be scum. Slam is MAFIA (or voteworthy) for shooting someone without provocation. Why the difference? There isn't one given.

Also, in his defense, his geript read changed BECAUSE of fakenuke/caller/palmar, even if he didn't mention any of that. GREAT GREAT, OATS IS HERE AND CAN DEFEND HIMSELF, HE'LL DO THAT, WE'LL SEE IF WE'RE STILL SCUMMY ON HIM. GOGO DIALOGUE AND DEFENDING SELF!

When questioned further about how fakenuke/caller/palmar led oats to change his mind on Geript -->
On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Geript save me!!
Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that.Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner.
I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum
Ah, gotcha. So geript changed his vote for fakenuke/caller/palmar reasons, and THAT is why those things play into Oats's shifted read on Geript.

Except if you read Geript's filter, that is 10000000% NOT THE CASE.




It was a problem that oats wouldn't be able to defend himself
Oats came back and had a chance to defend himself
Oats responded to a single thing, by misrepresentation/blatant lie
When offered an opportunity to point out where the thing he said happened actually happened, he never responded

If ANYONE would like to show where geript's mind changed because of fakenuke/caller/palmar, please be my guest and quote some posts and show me what oats is seeing. You really should do that. If you CANNOT, then you need to read Oats's return to thread, the point he tried to defend himself on, and go "well gee golly gosh, that right there is just not true" and then you need to ask yourself why someone defends themselves by making crap up. He didn't leave the thread, cuz he thinks Sandro is bad, but neither he nor anyone else is gonna be able to find Geript talking about fakenuke/caller/palmar leading him to change his vote from caller to SnB.

Specifically, dudemen on SnB, please read Oats's return to the thread. EVEN IF YOU WANT TO VOTE SNB NO MATTER WHAT THE END, please tell me whether you think Oats is making up a defense by misrepresenting/lying, or whether you can actually find posts that say what he say was say-ed.
Fe fi fo fum.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 28 2014 01:26 GMT
#488
On April 28 2014 10:15 geript wrote:
Here's the thing. I don't see any better wagon right now. Not having a lynch is 100% not acceptable. SnB is wagon of justice people. Do the right thing. Free smores to everyone who joins.
~21

Sorry luv muffin
You're my bro and all, but I just don't think SnB is scum.
I don't know what sandro's return to the thread makes me think, especially considering I was looking at Oats before he told me that's what I should be doing. Problem with Oats of course, being I can't read that guy worth a dick (was wrong about him for the first day or two in Catastrophe). If you had to lynch somebody who wasn't Oats (because apparently you don't think he's scum even though his filter admittedly looks real shit) and wasn't SnB, who would it be?

##Unvote
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
April 28 2014 01:31 GMT
#489
Palmer. He's been super worthless and assholey and he's one of a very few who might get enough to be lynched outside of Oats/SnB. I don't get why you don't think SnB is mafia. Wanna essplans that plz Wubby.
22?
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 28 2014 01:32 GMT
#490
On April 28 2014 10:06 Koshi wrote:
Also this post count thingie is only a guideline and not a hard rule. Read OP pls.

...


Regarding post-limits, we will give a warning for a first offense. Multiple offenses, and/or outright flaunting the post restrictions will result in a modkill.

That's how it was enforced in Sicilian (with identical OP text), and that's how it will be enforced here.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 28 2014 01:36 GMT
#491
Catastrophe was the first time I've ever seen SnB play that hard.
Start to this game feels like that. I've already explained Foolishness's meta read as not being great, what are the other cases against him?

I dunno this is one of those things I feel ok about, not Shadow-game VE-read amazing. I personally think we should be lynching into one of the useless vets today, because ultimately they are the ones who seem to get the most demotivated and lurky when they roll scum.

Not sure what that means for Palmar specifically---I could totally see him being a jerk like that as town but I'd be perfectly fine to lynch him for his weird spitefulness.

I can donate some posts maybe so we can continue this convo if necessary. What do you make of Slam's shot and random-ass addendum that he was going to shoot me? That post he made is probably the most sense I have ever seen him make, and it was BAD. Like...scum-bad. Who knows how to read that guy?
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 28 2014 01:40 GMT
#492
##Donate 5 posts to prplhz
##donate 5 posts to alakaslam
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austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
April 28 2014 01:42 GMT
#493
Geript, WoS, Koshi, Blazinghand

On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard.
For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with
##unvote
##vote SnB

Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls.
On April 28 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
well what the fuck.
##unvote
##vote Slam

The reason I didnt talk about nuke+caller+palmar is that happened fucking long ago and it did have an impact on my read, ie geript town. Austin, you know when town does stupid shit it makes them look like scum but when they stop their stupid shit it doesnt make them look like scum? I dont know if you know how to play, but reads change based on new info.

Meh i need more time to figure out why the fuck caller instantly shoots a fake nuke because its not for the lulz but I think that Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was.
On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Geript save me!!
Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that. Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner.
I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum
What townie returns to thread and unvotes a near-majority candidate to be the only person on slam?

Also, please show me the posts that back up the bolded statement, the last bolded statement. Or you, geript, can explain why oats is correct that you unvoted geript because of fakenuke/caller/palmar, and not because you liked Koshi's SnB case and thought SnB was scummy.

Cuz if you can't do that, then hi, here's a dude whose defense 100% consists of a single lie. When asked to explain that lie, he failed to do so (despite still being around, because he called sandro a baddie).



(Oats I didn't love the bits where slam tried to make a lot of sense in his responses post-shot, but I don't think he's dying today, and we can watch him throughout the rest of the game and judge him based on his play/posting rather than the shot. I've had mixed success reading him, am not the slamwhisperer)
Fe fi fo fum.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 28 2014 01:45 GMT
#494
MY GOD 7 POSTS I AM RICH, RICH BEYOND MY WILDEST IMAGINATIONS
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 28 2014 01:48 GMT
#495
On April 28 2014 10:42 austinmcc wrote:
Geript, WoS, Koshi, Blazinghand

Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard.
For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with
##unvote
##vote SnB

Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls.
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote:
well what the fuck.
##unvote
##vote Slam

The reason I didnt talk about nuke+caller+palmar is that happened fucking long ago and it did have an impact on my read, ie geript town. Austin, you know when town does stupid shit it makes them look like scum but when they stop their stupid shit it doesnt make them look like scum? I dont know if you know how to play, but reads change based on new info.

Meh i need more time to figure out why the fuck caller instantly shoots a fake nuke because its not for the lulz but I think that Palmar's actions are of angry town rather than angry scum. Angry scum will be angrier and less inclined to play the game than palmar was.
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2014 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Geript save me!!
Geript changed his vote because palmar didnt die. Not for anything else austin. You must be deluded to think that. Anyway pretty much all the nuke did was waste time and a pardoner.
I cant believe you guys dont want to lynch alak for that horrific shot. Yamato was annoying but not scum or shotworthy. Look a the way he rationalizes it like shooting someone for the sake of shooting someone rather than shooting scum
What townie returns to thread and unvotes a near-majority candidate to be the only person on slam?

Also, please show me the posts that back up the bolded statement, the last bolded statement. Or you, geript, can explain why oats is correct that you unvoted geript because of fakenuke/caller/palmar, and not because you liked Koshi's SnB case and thought SnB was scummy.

Cuz if you can't do that, then hi, here's a dude whose defense 100% consists of a single lie. When asked to explain that lie, he failed to do so (despite still being around, because he called sandro a baddie).



(Oats I didn't love the bits where slam tried to make a lot of sense in his responses post-shot, but I don't think he's dying today, and we can watch him throughout the rest of the game and judge him based on his play/posting rather than the shot. I've had mixed success reading him, am not the slamwhisperer)

Dunno man, looks like Oats bein' Oats to me. I'd lynch him over SnB though for sure.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 28 2014 01:48 GMT
#496
Do I switch to oats or stick with snb?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 28 2014 01:50 GMT
#497
Actually fuck it I have to sleep.

Sorry if you guys wanted to switch. see you tomorrow.
Computer says mafia
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 28 2014 02:01 GMT
#498
Before reading both foolishness and blazinghands cases on SNB I took a look through his filter just so I could get my own read beforehand. I'd be inclined to see it the same as they did. It felt like SNB was trying a bit too hard to be non committal on everything. It just struck me as effort into making sure he wasn't saying anything anyone could take issue with. Foolishness went a bit more indepth and compared it to other games, however I'd say it seemed clear enough that the only real incentive to put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch.


Sorry about my low activity, I will try to be more consistent with my posting going forward.

Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB.
You seem to be low on posts, I suppose its only fair to give you a bit more to work with in the few hours before your demise. I will be around until deadline if I don't accidentally fall asleep while watching dreamhack.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
April 28 2014 02:05 GMT
#499
On April 28 2014 11:01 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
...

Also, ##donate 2 posts to SNB.


Invalid. You cannot donate more than 10 total posts per cycle.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 28 2014 02:10 GMT
#500
@rol "put effort into being as neutral as humanly possible is to hide the fact you are scum and be able to point fingers at those who were more influential on the D1 lynch."
I don't understand how being as neutral as humanly possible helps you point fingers at those more influential on d1 lynch. Also I don't get this neutrality from snb's posts at all and he seems pretty clear headed and very similiar in the way he thought about stuff in the last game in which he was town.
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