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The OP only has Day Vigi as a kill power role (besides america), which indicates to me that we don't have normal vigis/NK roles. People should read. There are variations, but the fact that "Day Vigi" is the role and not "Vigi" means MAYBE no NKs. If you ARE townie and DO have a shot, I don't think you should be using it. Wait for more info.
Geript, why do you dislike that post of Cephiro's? You can add general Cephiro-is-mafia stuff for flavor, if you'd like, but why do you want Ceph shot in response to that post?
On April 28 2014 12:59 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2014 12:56 prplhz wrote:
@fool did you check the cell mini mafia cephiro meta or were you too lazy? I will when it becomes a more relevant issue (focusing on snb and oats right now). I assure you I haven't forgotten. That means later tonight or tomorrow (real-life tomorrow not game tomorrow) before someone throws a fit at me for ignoring it. On April 29 2014 06:34 Foolishness wrote:
Or maybe what really happened is that a bunch of townies pushed a lynch onto another townie and the mafia sat back and watched it all happened. This is even more likely given that there wasn't ever that hard of a push against anyone else (the Oatsmaster case never got the traction, though to be honest I would probably lynch him). Foolishness, come on down. You're the first contestant on "What colors showed up in Oats's PM and why were they red?" In the lightning bonus round, you get to answer the question "Why should we be lynching oats tomorrow instead of anyone else?"
Sandroba, do you really think Foolishness is the lynch tomorrow? Why Foolishness over oats?
Wave, what is "oats being oats"? I know you can do "x being x" for some folks, but I don't know what parts of oats's filter you think are him being him, rather than any kind of alignment stuff. Could you separate out (if possible) things that *I* think are relevant to oats's alignment into things you think are oats being oats and "other stuff"? NOTHING I've seen has made me want to back down from this at all, so let's chat and you either convince yourself one way or another or convince me or whatever. (Also, Sandroba is very very very unlikely to be mafia)
Slam, did you follow people's reactions to your shot well at all? Regardless of whether that's a yes or no, you know your own alignment, you know you shot someone and maybeprobablydefinitely should not have, especially if you actually hadn't read his recent posting, so I would <3<3<3 you looking through REACTIONS to your shot for what you find scummiest/towniest?
Odin, I would <3<3<3<3 (even one more than slam can get) if you would try and focus on anything and everything that is NOT claims/shots/rolecrap during D2 (and for anything else you post N1). People softclaimed and hardclaimed and did crap and I'd much much much rather lynch people who do stuff that is SCUMMY than people who claimed something or shot someone or whatever. If you're town, you didn't seem to be sure of oats OR snb yesterday, and we need town people to have reads and know who they want to lynch. If town, you seemed distracted by claims/shots and crap, looked like more thought going into that than whether the leading candidates were town or mafia, and that ain't good for us. Please please. If you're mafia, none of that applies and plz concede.
Ace, you were "not sure" of Oats but scummier on Oats than SnB. You're Foolishness's phone-a-friend for "Why should we lynch Oats tomorrow over anyone else, including Palmar." Ring ring. He's stumped and needs your help answering.
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On April 29 2014 09:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ceph sounds really whiny.
Austin, everything you put in your case is me not mentioning caller/nuke/palmar. Not bad considering it happened 12h before my post. I already read it, made my conclusions and moved on. Absolutely no point bringing it up again. Thats totes scummy. Geript obviously stopped his tunnel because palmar didnt die, not cause of a sick case on someone else. This is townie because faking a shot and fucking off gives even more eason To push caller. Ive said this already and you just keep twisting things to suit your own narrative that im so super scum. Geript says NOTHING about the nuke, waits 2.5 hours, and THEN changes his vote to SnB after Koshi posts a case on SnB and Geript likes Koshi's case, mentions coming around on Koshi, and mentions finding SnB scummy.
The reason Geript changed his vote was:
Nuke stuff
Koshi made a case on SnB that Geript liked
At the very least, they're jointly involved, and based on the fact that the vote change is RIGHT after Koshi's SnB stuff and the vote post is 100% about Koshi/SnB, I'm going to go out on a gigantic limb and say that Geript has other reasons for moving his vote. It's not even that he was "tunnel"ed on Caller, he posts why he wants Caller dead, votes Caller, and has been talking about Koshi and other crap as well.
You've said things I think are false, or said things I don't think explain anything you're trying to explain. So far, no dice on being not-scummy. I WOULD like you to contribute and do stuff though, because towards the end of D1 you half-sorta-ish defended yourself and then peaced out.
On April 29 2014 09:31 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:57 austinmcc wrote:
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Geript, why do you dislike that post of Cephiro's? You can add general Cephiro-is-mafia stuff for flavor, if you'd like, but why do you want Ceph shot in response to that post?
Ceph has been lurking and hasn't taken any realistic stance on anything this whole game. Apparently he finds the people who were on the SnB wagon scummy, but he never talks about it. Apparently, he's got ok reads or something but doesn't want to contribute until halfway through day 3 where there's no longer a good chance of a mislynch (bullshit). He hasn't bothered trying to look town. He hasn't try to push good lynches. He hasn't done shit. He's a decent player and the last time he was a shitty lurker like this he was mafia. I see no reason to expect him to derivate from his shitty lurker status or provide something useful to the game. So I want him dead with a capitol DED.
Snooglewoogle,
How many people didn't try to push good lynches/didn't take realistic stances on anything/much? Also, the very fact that his response to who would you shoot is "Nobody" grants him MINOR town points in my eyes, but the fact that he then writes a treatise on WHY he doesn't want to shoot anyone and why he should be masoned and why the earth is round and why he really doesn't want to shoot anyone just reeks townie to me. Scum can say ANYONE they'd shoot with reason --> Palmar, Caller, Sandroba, Foolishness, Me, Oats, Slam, scum has any number of answers with reasons at their fingertips. Instead of saying who he'd shoot, he says he doesn't want to kill people (which yeah, scum can say), and then he spends years explaining himself. Scum that go with the "nobody" option don't spend that long trying to explain it, imo. I think you're 100% off base.
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On April 29 2014 11:02 geript wrote:
Dear snooglewoogle. I will take your points under consideration. I would still shoot him personally, but that's easy to say because I don't have a gun. Also, I get what you're saying about Oats. I just disagree. Please pretend they're both town... who do you shoot then? If I assume they're both town, then I'd shoot Plammer for playing dota. Or Foolishness. He seems weird too.
ps. I'm not your snooglewoogle; you're my snooglewoogle. You have to come up with a different name for me. It's how the game works. You shoot nobody.
If you're compulsive, you have two choices:
(1) Still shoot oats. Cuz we'd just be pretending, and pretending don't change things, and you want to be 1000000% sure. There's also minor added value to shooting oats, in that multiple people have posted about votes/vote switching, and votes matter a lot more when we know the alignments of BOTH snb and oats. People who want to draw conclusions from votes atm are silly, I think, because they don't know whether this was town/scum or town/town, and it's likely mafia behavior is slightly different depending on what scenario we were in.
(2) Not foolishness. Whatever sandro may say, I don't want to gun down suspicious Foolishness on N1. He's not infallible, he's suspicious, but I think shooting Foolishness N1 because he's weird/suspicious is a bad idea. Like ... rando shooting yamato towards the end of D1 bad idea.
(3) Heavy superlurkers. Gumshoe superlurking doesn't say anything about his alignment, but it would be nice to get rid of ?s early, and I'd rather get rid of ?s than non-oats-s.
(4) Possibly Koshi but don't shoot Koshi.
I LIED ABOUT THERE BEING TWO CHOICES.
Also, because you used a semi-colon, I'm willing to come up with a different name for you, and you can be Pookie Pie.
Look look I won't shut up here's oats stuff. I'm going to keep trying to say this in a clear manner and not muck it up.
Oats votes Geript becauseOn April 26 2014 22:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
No, trading 1 for 1 is dumb and stupid for scum either way.
Firstly, Caller knows that this shit is totally not helpful for scum especially with no flips. Its way better to claim nuke and say its for a double lynch then nuke and nobody knows whether that dude was scum or not but caller gets cred. Thats just 1 example. Also, it doesnt even take Palmar out of the game and since Palmar's self-professed day 1 is his best, its arguably a waste of a nuke when palmar leaves his super sick list of scum. Caller had no idea what/how palmar would react to this.
Geript not seeing this and masking this lynch as a policy lynch is really bad, especially with the dude with the most votes not being able to shoot so thats a totally better policy vote/lynch than caller who has already shot. Its a 'townie' reaction but its not actually a townie reaction, lynch that shit.
Oats does not think Geript is policy lynching Caller. Oats thinks Geript is PRETENDING to policy lynch Caller, and really just wants a mislynch. Pretending to be policy lynching while seeking a mislynch is NOT townie behavior, it's scummy behavior. The MOTIVES and geript's REACTION are scummy, therefore he's scum, therefore oats votes him.
On April 28 2014 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
man wtf yamato why are you derailing a lynch and not proposing anything else you useless bastard.
For the record, I am totes fine with SnB lynch and I now think that geript is not scum because he dropped his policy lynch. Which he had arguably more reason to continue with
##unvote
##vote SnB
Im going to sleep, kill scum guyys pls.
Oats didn't think Geript was policy lynching. Oats's REASON for voting Geript was that he was SAYING he was policy lynching while really just seeking a mislynch.
The actual location of the vote was not the issue. The motives were. The motives don't change, Geript did a thing that Oats found super scummy. Geript moving his vote has NO impact on his motives, on what he did, blah blah. Moving a vote should NOT unscummify Geript. If there's ANYTHING to unscummify Geript, it's that Oats thinks mafia Geript would continue to push Caller, despite Oats thinking it's a terrible idea to push Caller ever this game.
This is NOT a logical change in read. Geript was mafia because of motivations and faking a policy lynch. When Geript unvotes, it doesn't remove that stuff, therefore, the read should be the SAME, or at the very least, the no more push should be BALANCED/CONFLICTING with the faking of a lynch, not "now Geript insta-town." If Oats is being truthful about his reads, he shouldn't be changing his mind based purely on the location of Geript's vote. Therefore, Oats is not being truthful about his reads; he's just making 'em up.
It's not just not talking about what I think he should have been talking about. It's not just not going after Palmar when he was anti-town on Palmar for reasons that aren't ever gone but apparently he just doesn't care about Palmar for the next billion hours. It's those things plus this bit about not thinking there's good reason for unvoting Geript and finding him town.
I'm still interested in the folks who say this is oats being oats or looks like town oats. Have you been in games in which town oats changes his reads for reasons that don't appear to make sense, or seems to forget his scum reads, or is happy to do nearly nothing? Do you think those things are NOT happening here?
Blazinghand, let's play doc save/marry/kill.
prplhz
odinofpergo
JAT
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@Caller / VA stuff
No. Who cares if VA soft claims "not VT"? Palmar did that yesterday and you didn't ask someone to shoot him with anything real, nor did you try to push a lynch on him. 18,000 people have claimed or fakeclaimed vigi, and you didn't care much about that stuff. Yes. VA is either mafia or claiming a power role and maybe shouldn't be or is fakeclaiming and wants to get shot or whatever. Nobody cares. That's not AT ALL a reason to push someone for lynch.
"He said he was blue." GREAT. Nobody cares. Even if you think that indicates he's mafia because blues shouldn't be outing themselves, that would make you inconsistent in your response to claims AND that means that your #1 ichiban scumread for today is a dude who said he was blue and MIGHT be mafia or you think MIGHT be playing oddly/poorly.
If your #1 lynch is that, nobody in this game should be following you. Who is doing stuff that is SCUMMY?
@WoS
you wanted a task. There's a ... middle tier of people. Not the folks being discussed so far last night/today -----> BH, VE, prplhz maybe? Not the super vets, but they've been around longer than me, they can play, and they've posted. Could you look into them and give some general feelz, as well as anything super interesting in a townie/scummy way in any of those filters?
Also, dear God please don't listen to Koshi's crap about NKs. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Maybe one read in particular is good, maybe you're a consensus townie, maybe you're trying to derail a particular mislynch they want, maybe you took a shot, maybe getting NKed doesn't mean your reads are right. Plus there's the whole "If Geript's reads were ACTUALLY right, that means Koshi more likely to be scum, which means don't listen to him." Geript probably has some good thoughts. But getting NKed doesn't mean all your reads are right.
Also there was already a task about looking at oats again or something, I gave it to you overnight.
@poofter
<3
I am generally in favor of using less KP, see all other posts. We dunno if we have coroners, how many, how many shots they have. I haven't played in no-flip games, and I think no-flips are pretty bad for town (especially when we don't know how many scum there are anyway, or KP formulas, so it's not even like we can ballpark it based on NKs). So I'm quite worried actually about no flips, towns seem to have a lot of trouble in games where they don't have a good handle on the setup and go into lategame unsure on scum numbers/mechanics, and the less no-flips we have, the better? Maybe?
My preferred targets would be oats/koshi/foolishness, but I'd much much rather wait than shoot. I'm playing "You don't ever shoot" mafia, and then in favor of dropping anyone who actually DOES shoot. Mwahahahaha. The more people alive, the more work scum has to do, get more mislynches, keep going and going, keep worrying about cops and whatnot. A couple extra alive dudes and an extra day or two is town-favored imo, moreso than the chance of hitting mafia with a shot and not having them flip.
THERE'S A BUNCH OF MUSHY REASONS BUT REALLY I JUST DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF SHOTS BUT I'M NOT CURRENTLY KING OF THIS GAME SO YMMV.
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@WoS
More/different tasks if you really want. Read poofter's stuff on Koshi. Specifically, pushing snb, then getting gifted posts, and coming back late in the cycle to say snb was the lynch of justice, blah blah, without actually DOING anything, without talking about oats, without trying to get people to move to snb when the lynch could have gone either way (yet he thinks oats is town and snb is mafia), blah blah. Does poofter have the right of this? Does that feel like Koshi, as Koshi claims? Does it feel like Generic Yum Yum Good Play?
Seriously though, Koshi's stuff on Geript's reads is bad bad. Koshi 100% knows snb's alignment. Koshi 100% knows Koshi's alignment. Koshi looks at geript's reads, goes "He was wrong about snb and wrong about myself, but he was probably right in all this other stuff." ALL THE EVIDENCE, IN KOSHI'S MIND, SAYS THAT GERIPT'S READS WERE INCORRECT. KOSHI IGNORES THAT 100% AND DECIDES THE REST OF GERIPT'S READS ARE JUST ALL GRAVY.
Geript's reads are useful, we can talk about em, use em, but Koshi should be having his OWN reads more than using Geript's to push D2 crap. Shouldn't be 72 hours of "Here's what Koshi thinks" and then when Geript flips "Oh wait, here's what Geript thought, let's work off this."
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On April 30 2014 01:57 WaveofShadow wrote:
Austin I never once said I was going to take all of geript's reads at face value. I still believe they killed him for a reason. Also if you look Koshi recently went back and said what he wrote about geript's reads were dumb and bad...does that change what you think?
Re: Oats...can't read the guy worth shit. Like ever. Yeah yeah, it's just this bugged me Koshi your point re:geript makes a lot of sense----only thing that recently struck me is that clarification as to geript's death could be a very sneaky question from scum to try and figure out the role use. I'm keeping that in my back pocket right now despite my townread of you.
I read Koshi's post and went HOLY CRAP WHAT IS THIS. Because again, Koshi knows the alignments of Koshi and SnB out of that entire list, and if Koshi is town, Koshi knows that Geript was 0/2 on those. Koshi then assumes scum shot Geript because he was right, and sort of gloms onto whatever Koshi thinks Geript was thinking, despite...again...all the actual EVIDENCE koshi has pointing to Geript being 0/2 and a bad person to just sheep sheep.
But you liked it, and also townread Koshi, when I'm finding Koshi a little bit scummy. Seriously interested in you looking at what Poofter said about Koshi's D1/late D1, and then your own thoughts on that stuff. You still townie on Koshi?
As far as Koshi saying his post was "probably indeed complete shit", I don't care about it. I don't like that Koshi would EVER think that, and saying it was bad after getting called out on it doesn't win him any points. His push on snb is meh. His late D1 is meh. His start to today is super meh. His continued saying oats is "strange" and "lynchbait" says NOTHING, it's all hot air. Lynchbait OFTEN means "There are legitimate reasons to suspect this guy and lynch him, I agree, but I actually think he's town because of x, and is just the convenient mislynch. Instead of saying that, Koshi just CALLS him lynchbait twice now, without ANY real explanation of WHAT oats is doing this game and why it's scummy/townie/anything. Not to mention oats HAS had scummy/do-nothing D1s/early game. See Nuclear if nothing else, where he straight up couldn't come up with reasons to vote/have reads the way he did, I caught him there on him, called him on it, and proceeded to not lynch him and he survives for a billion years despite having poop reads and explanations just like here.
Seriously. If a person looks scummy (Koshi), them saying "Oh yeah that crappy post I made was crappy" doesn't change my read at all. The reason it's crappy is because Koshi SHOULD be thinking critically and SHOULD be seeing that Geript is 0/2 in reads (if koshi town) and SHOULD NOT then be super concerned with Geript's reads and what Geript thought. Koshi should have HIS OWN reads. Realizing this after getting called on it is worth no town points.
I really wish Oats was playing this game as lllllllllllllll. Both you and Koshi are making these general statements "I can't read him" and "Oats seems like lynchbait" without really backing them up. I know people can be hard to read, but is the STUFF that is happening SCUMMY or TOWNIE or NOTHING. Regardless of who is doing it. I'm interested in that, at the very least. I promise not to force you to lynch Oats or force you to medic save him or force you to do anything, but if he was lllllllllllll then what do you make of his actions? (Koshi that goes for you too and also I think you're off on how Oats plays mafia)
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JAT,
why is VA towards the tippy top of your scumlist? I know you posted on him, but the real meat of it is that VA is more engaged/cares, whereas you're not used to that. I've seen VA care in games.
Is there more meat than just that? Talk to me about VA and why he should be on my scumlist please. VA caring doesn't vault him over other scummy people imo, but I'm pretty much always willing to find VA scummy and want to kill him 
Also, talk to me about oats! You were kinda on board with oatsscum yesterday. You were worried about him not having a chance to defend himself. Lucky for oats/you (maybe), he DID get that chance. He's posted since I called him out. How do his posts make you feel, deep down inside? Why ain't HE at the tippy top of your scum lists?
On April 30 2014 02:13 WaveofShadow wrote:Important posts: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 11:02 geript wrote:
Dear snooglewoogle. I will take your points under consideration. I would still shoot him personally, but that's easy to say because I don't have a gun. Also, I get what you're saying about Oats. I just disagree. Please pretend they're both town... who do you shoot then? If I assume they're both town, then I'd shoot Plammer for playing dota. Or Foolishness. He seems weird too.
ps. I'm not your snooglewoogle; you're my snooglewoogle. You have to come up with a different name for me. It's how the game works. Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 05:27 sandroba wrote:
Last post so I better make this count.
Foolishness and palmar are mafia together. That actually makes caller town. Here is what happened day 1.
Caller fake nukes palmar -> Foolishness posts BS case on prpl which is so bad it doesnt get any real traction -> palmar thinks he will die and uses his scum power to save foolishness from the embaressment and being completely obvious scum and if coroner flips palmar later it will make prpl look bad and foolishness look good -> caller: "lol gotchu bitch that was kebab" -> palmar foolishness : "fuuuu now we obv scum gg" Austin, Caller, thoughts? My thoughts WERE that geript and sandroba were town
My thoughts now are that Foolishness has a greater chance of being mafia than Palmar, and that I'm not overly worried about Palmar. Certainly not TODAY-worried about Palmar. Geript's bit on Palmar is nothing serious. Sandroba bit on Palmar reads like Sandroba fishing for something or doing something. The whole "Palmar targets prplhz because Foolishness posted a case on prplhz blah blah blah" stuff is all ... sillypants. I don't know exactly what he was trying to do there, but I don't read that at all seriously?
Caller,
I think VE is town for now. I will not be hop hop hopping anywhere, nor will I be hop hop hopping on anything. To thread - + Show Spoiler +
YEAH BUT WHY DO YOU THINK THAT?
He was not only kinda scummy on Foolishness early, but also concerned that BH found Foolishness lovely jubbly, and called BH out on that. IF Foolishness is mafia, I think that combo makes VE unlikely to also be mafia.
I also think his conversation with Ace overnight reads very town? It reads like VE is interested in what Ace is saying, doesn't agree, then sees what Ace is saying and thinks he might be right. There's just a natural progression of thought and in a townie way.
VEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,
If caller is scum and had a fakenuke, don't you think he would have...been more dickish with it? Spammed a little, caused a little more havoc, SOMETHING? There was next-to-no enjoyment of the moment.
Also, why is plammar today's lynch over Foolishness or over Oats, who btw is still mafia? I know you were townie on Palmar and then said Ace convinced you otherwise, but how'd he convince you so hard that Palmar should be the lynch for today? ALSO QUESTION --------> DOES THE MANNER IN WHICH PALMAR POSTED HIS "HOLD THE TOWN HOSTAGE" CRAP READ LIKE TOWN/SCUM PALMAR TO YOU? I'm honestly interested in this, can you sort of....look at that both ways. Why each alignment Palmar posts that, what he's thinking, which one really fits?
Also also, what did you make of Poofter's post and why is Oats super duper mega mafia?
Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why?
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I AM PERFECTLY WILLING TO WASTE 4% OF MY DAILY POSTING ALLOTMENT TO SAY THAT I DID A SHITTY JOB OF USING THE PROPER LINK FOR THAT PICTURE AND I AM SAD NOW.
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Foolishness, that says a LOT about not-oats, when yesterday you were looking over him and snb at one point, and proceeded to just say nothing at all about oats ever. Including more or less up until now, because all this other stuff is real work and the oats bit is just him having a weak vote and being absent.
This bit I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? also doesn't quite jive with this bit Oastmaster [sic]
You don't have to draw conclusions, you can be not really sure, but ... a red oats means mafia probably was NOT content with how things played out yesterday.
Talk to me about oats and why he's mafia for doing scummy stuff and not for doing things that 2/3 the game is doing.
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Couple random things before sleep.
##vote: Oatsmaster
Still my preferred lynch of the day, unless he's getting shot. Also, I THINK I'd rather have a shot on oats over koshi? If both are scummy, and both have decided to do little/nothing today, I think oats gives us SLIGHTLY more info? Plus, you know, I want him to be mafia this game.
HEY EVERYBODY. EVERYONE SHOULD SAY WHAT YAMATO'S ALIGNMENT WAS. CORONER GETS A SINGLE CHECK EACH NIGHT, BUT THE RESULTS ONLY COME TO HIM. EVERYONE SAYS EACH DAY WHAT ALIGNMENT SOME NON-FLIPPED PERSON WAS. IF A CORONER DIES, THEN ... TA DA! WE JUST FOUND OUT THEIR RESULTS. THERE'S A NON-ZERO CHANCE THAT A CORONER OR MULTIPLE CORONERS GET KILLED BEFORE THEY CAN GIVE THEIR RESULTS OUT, AND MAYBE THEY DIDN'T CRUMB OR DIDN'T CRUMB IN A WAY WE FOUND. IF EVERYONE, EVERY DAY, SAYS THE ALIGNMENT OF A NO-FLIPPED PLAYER (ASSUMING WE HAVE ONE), THEN THE CORONER IS COVERED.
ALSO IF YOU WANT YOU CAN TOTALLY SAY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOUR RESULT CAME BACK, AND USE THE WORD "FAKE" 3 TIMES DURING THE DAY AND NIGHT AFTER YOU GET A CHECK. THAT WAY MAFIA HAS TO DO A BUNCH OF LEGWORK IF THEY WANT TO TRY AND CATCH A CORONER BECAUSE ONLY ONE PERSON HAS CORRECT ALIGNMENTS EACH TIME. SUCK IT SCUM, ENJOY YOUR HOMEWORK. (OTHER PEOPLE SHOULD FAKE USE "FAKE" FOR BONUS MAFIAWORK. YESYES)
ON ANY FUTURE DAYS WE HAVE NO-FLIPPED PLAYERS, EVERYONE SHOULD DO THIS FOR THOSE PEOPLE TOO
YOU'RE WELCOME, CORONER(S), ASSUMING YOU'RE NOT ME. YOU'RE WELCOME ME IF I'M THE CORONER. YAYAYAYA.
(I think Yamato was town. Also, any uses of the word fake in this post don't count towards my 3 for the day)
Gumshoe,
HEY GUMSHOE. HEY GUMSHOE.
Have you played with Caller before?
Poofter,
I haven't looked back at any other RoL games, but for now I'm fine with him, mildly mildly townie? He gave away a boatload of posts yesterday, and not for entirely useless reasons. His response to Foolishness is alright by me.
I THINK I disagree with Foolishness saying it's scummy for him to do a stupid sheep vote ---> later reading SnB and finding SnB scummy. If he wants off of SnB, he can move ezpz. If he wants to stay on SnB, he doesn't have to do anything. He drops a stupid vote early, and just goes "lol stupid vote." For now, he's nowhere NEAR the top of my list, and I think he's on the town side for me?
On April 30 2014 08:45 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 08:04 austinmcc wrote:Foolishness, that says a LOT about not-oats, when yesterday you were looking over him and snb at one point, and proceeded to just say nothing at all about oats ever. Including more or less up until now, because all this other stuff is real work and the oats bit is just him having a weak vote and being absent. This bit I'm not really sure what this says about Oatsmaster (if anything) given that he was second in line to be lynched. What I do know is that mafia were very content with how things played out yesterday and did not fear one of their own getting killed. This means that the vast majority (if not all) of the mafia team were sitting back and sheeping along, because why would you put yourself out there to get townie's lynched when you can just let the town do it for you? also doesn't quite jive with this bit Oastmaster [sic] You don't have to draw conclusions, you can be not really sure, but ... a red oats means mafia probably was NOT content with how things played out yesterday. Talk to me about oats and why he's mafia for doing scummy stuff and not for doing things that 2/3 the game is doing. You misunderstand. That paragraph means I don't know if that in itself says anything about Oats. I read that particularly thing as neutral. If you think that if Oats was mafia then more drama would have happened yesterday I can respect that.Also weren't you the one saying Oats was mafia post after post? Yup. That was me on D1. And N1. And today. Ta da!
In terms of "if you think that if Oats was mafia then more drama would have happened", you have Oats in red in your list. That indicates, to me, that YOU think oats is scummy/mafia.
Like...is the "if you think" in that bolded relevant to "If you think oats is mafia" or is it Oats is mafia and "if you think more drama would have happened" i can respect that?
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On April 30 2014 12:07 Tehpoofter wrote:
@Austin Wouldn't a lynch on Oats garner more info? Like knowing his alignment makes the vote assessment from day 1 really interesting. A shot only flips the results if a Coroner outs or is killed. So having him die by a shot doesn't give us that info for me a flip of Oats gives town solid info either way vote train analysis becomes much better Imo when the alignment of both big trains is known. So I disagree with you sir. Although this Coroner thing is hella townie... I honestly didn't read Yamato too closely because by the time I knew the game was going on Day 1 had ended and I saw the front page with him getting shot (SPOILERS) I'll read his filter and give a real or fake read on him later.
@RoL You planning on hunting any scum today? It seems your posts have just been like 1-2 liners of defending yourself lightly and badly in my opinion. I have no clue who you think is mafia/town care to enlighten me/the rest of town? You're kinda not doing much tbh. Granted you're not the only one that this falls under today who else would you like to hear more from? Me personally Caller/Ceph/Ace/Gum/Odin/Prplhz I'd all want to hear a bit more from.
Ocho! More info, but right now seems less likely. I need to do more wranglin'
As of yet, oats appears to either be scummy or oats-y to everyone. And he's done jack all N1/D2, which should be pushing needles towards scummy.
But that's basically it, if people don't start voting oats, then he's not going to get lynched. Since dayvigs can fire at any point, it's really a nonissue. If oats is the lynch, he's not the shot. If he's not the lynch, I personally think he's a good shot. Learning how coroner works this game makes me SLIGHTLY more okay with shots, but honestly I still don't like them overall. If you're going to shoot though, then I think koshi/oats is fine, would just prefer oats if not lynched.
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On April 30 2014 12:16 Caller wrote:
why the fuck are we playing hypocoroner? all this does is cause mafia to whittle down the amount of coroner possibilities
if anything coroner should claim, as there's an unknown amount of protection roles that can be stacked upon them. It somewhat whittles down, but not tons. People who aren't coroners should just split on each side of things. If we whittle down possible coroners by like...D5, then oh well who cares the coroner is probably dead/claimed by then. Unless you think mafia is going to get a great snipe BECAUSE of doing this within like...one day, then it's not a minus.
Caller, have you played with gumshoe before/has he played in one of your games? Not the most important thing, but I'm interested.
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I actually don't understand all the "don't shoot koshi" folks.
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Basically, between N1 and D2, he said he was going to lay low. His scumreads were Palmar/SnB/geript/VE/Foolishness at the end of D1. (see spoiler below, first post)
After that, what...98% of his today is just him saying he's town. I'm town; don't shoot. Don't shoot; I'm town. I'm shoot; don't town; poofter is mafia. Whether he's ACTIVE or not, I think he's had 1-2 legit posts during N2/D2, where he flips his read on Palmar.
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I don't find his reads to make much sense recently. And seeing how the main read he had on D1 was that SnB was scum, that means I'm looking at someone I think pushed a bad lynch D1 ----> has weird reasoning for reads N1/D2. That's not a plus imo.
Coming into today he wants to kill Foolishness/Palmar, with the primary reason apparently being "Sandroba said so." Then he wants Cephiro/Palmar/Foolishness shot, because ... Sandroba said so. And heck, he notes that Palmar is suspicious of Foolishness and Cephiro, so in his mind, Palmar is bussing like half his scumteam or something --- + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2014 05:36 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 05:26 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 05:20 Palmar wrote:This is my 7th post this night and I've only been gifted one. What a rebel! Sandro, I don't have a scumread on you but I don't see why anyone is guaranteed to be scum for not townreading you tbh. Like Koshi said - what about Vayne? Also, watch out for your post limit. Koshi, did your reads change after that flip? I changed my read on SnB. I am easily impressed. Sandroba already impressed me. Sandroba The Siren. What were my reads? Palmar, SnB, geript & VE? Now we can add Foolishness. On April 29 2014 16:53 Koshi wrote:
##vote Foolishness
Because I am not impressed. Also Sandroba is ded.
imo people should shoot Foolishness. Also Palmar.
PEOPLE PLS SHOOT FOOLISHNESS AND PALMAR.
Thank you. On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote:
geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter:
1) Oats is town
2) Alakaslam is town
3) Cephiro needs to be shot really badly. geript was on Cephiro ass.
4) Foolishness is weird and needs to be shot.
5) Plammer is playing Dota and needs to be shot.
6) RoL useless should be shot.
7) Koshi is scum
8) SnB is scum
SnB was wrong about the last 2 but still got shot. This means he got a pretty decent % right on the other 6. I have read his entire filter twice now and I don't think I missed another big read of his. He had Sandroba as town, so that's something he was right about, but it is not something he would get shot over knowing that Sandroba got shot as well.
So please reread geript his filter as well and please let me know if I missed something. I am pretty sure I didn't. There is something minor on prplhz but nothing too big. His early filter was about Policy lynch Caller and Koshi.
So let me add something about this Koshi guy. This Koshi guy is totally not harmful. Almost every time it gets very obvious the longer the game progresses that this Koshi guy only wants the best for town. So I would say please leave the Koshi guy alone and not shoot him. Really. No kidding here. No bullets towards Koshi.
So imo the vigis should really shoot Cephiro, Palmar, Foolishness. Just all 3. Shoot them. I see Palmar even agrees on Foolishness and Cephiro.
Bonus thing - While pushing "Follow sandro!" and "Follow geript!" because their reads must have been so doggone right, he half-fails to notice that both of them, as far as I can tell, found Koshi scummy On April 28 2014 09:32 sandroba wrote:
So far I got as possible scum foolishness oats slam and possibly koshi and bh. I'm fair game to kill any of these today. No quote for geript, it's in the spoiler above He says Geript is wrong, but basically he was pushing (last night and then today) to sheep the reads of..................two guys who have him as mafia. He doesn't question them, doesn't seem to think they're wrong/unreliable.
Then he decides Palmar is town for posting about Cephiro's "recruit me! recruit me!" stuff. On April 29 2014 21:19 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 21:13 Palmar wrote:
Like does no one but me care that Ceph is literally claiming traitor?
Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 22:18 Cephiro wrote:
Koshi: How does he know there is a traitor? Unless he simply pointed out that he's one and wants to be recruited. Scumbag.
This somewhat indicates that Cephiro knows there is a traitor while he didn't read the OP. So yeah, this might have been a slip. Foolishness/Cephiro pls shoot both. They are confirmed mafia or without doubt will never get nk. Maybe Foolishness will get NK if he is town and starts playing. SOoooooo if the first vigi could please SHOOT CEPHIRO. Thank you. Palmar is off the scumlist atm. Boom. Palmar, his #1 D1 lynch, a good target during the night, a guy that Sandroba said was mafia and boy howdy we should all just sheep Sandroba.......well, that guy is town now just for the traitor thing (I'm cool with this, however, it's not that weird to me for someone to take a single post and flip a read based on it).
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He's super pissed at Poofter for talking about shooting him. On April 30 2014 20:34 Koshi wrote:
What is your case actually? I didn't really push the SnB lynch? I just pushed it to prevent Oats being lynched? That's not even the right timeline. I started on SnB WAYYYY before Oats got any action and I didn't go to Oats because I indeed don't really see why Oats is scum. Even though he could be. I just found his play lackluster but not scummy. WHICH I CLEARLY STATED IN THE THREAD.
Why am I getting fucking shot for stating my opinion on people their alignment?????? BEcause you think Oats is scum and you are drawing connections to me and fucking Oats?
AND OATS IS NOT PLAYING THE GAME BUT YOU WANT TO FUCKING SHOOT ME OVER OATS???? REALLY??????????????????? ARE YOU FUCKING BAD AT THIS GAME????????? IS THAT IT?????? But remember, Poofter is scummy on Foolishness. They have a read in common, both Poofter AND Koshi think Foolishness is scum. And koshi is pissed that poofter won't shoot Oats (who koshi seems to think received an oats-colored PM), but ISN'T pushing Poofter to shoot Foolishness, their shared scumread. Koshi is basically calling Poofter dumb/mafia for shooting Koshi over Oats, when he doesn't think Oats is particularly scummy. He SHOULD be calling Poofter dumb/mafia for shooting Koshi over Foolishness, who they BOTH have is mafia.
I see some activity. But for people who don't want to shoot someone active/contributing/synonyms, can you please pick out like...the 2 best contributions Koshi has made N1/D2? What are the two smartest things he's said? Where does he have insight that you hadn't thought about? Is he actually contributing to helping you find mafia, or is he just posting?
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FACT: We nearly no lynched yesterday, due both to lack of candidates AND time zones causing us trouble late.
FACT: Our current votes look like this:On April 30 2014 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:Vote Count: Foolishness (4) - Koshi, prplhz, justanothertowie, Palmar Palmar (2) - Ace, VisceraEyes VayneAuthority (0) - Caller, AlakaslamGumshoe (1) - Blazinghand Blazinghand (1) - WaveofShadow Visceraeyes (1) - Caller, AlakaslamOatsmaster (2) - Gumshoe, austinmcc RebirthOfLegend (2) - Foolishness, tehpoofter OdinOfPergo (1) - Alakaslam Day ends in . There are 19 players alive, and it takes 10 to lynch.
FACT: Nobody has even 1/2 a majority.
FACT: There are mafia in this game and they don't want us to lynch mafia.
OPINION: We should start consolidating. Specifically- BH, you're the ONLY Gumshoe voter. If you're in a QT with Foolishness, you guys BOTH find a lynch you like, and BOTH vote that guy. Stop splitting off, and you KNOW that town isn't going to lynch Gumshoe D2 when he's always hyperafk and there are so many people that so many people find actively scummy.
- Alakaslam, nobody else is voting Odin. Nobody has discussed Odin as mafia. You need to consolidate your vote onto someone else.
- Caller, nobody has joined you all D2 on VE except slam. VE has gained no traction, despite doing jack squat.
- WoS, see all the above.
A rough list of - Foolishness
- Palmar
- Oatsmaster
- RoL
seems to provide everyone with something? It's highly unlikely all 4 of those are town. Moreover, there are some splits there. Foolishness pushes RoL and hard defends Palmar, RoL attacks Palmar, Foolishness sorta finds Oats mafia maybeish. Blah blah.
I PERSONALLY still want to lynch Oats. I'm still suspicious of Foolishness, but between letting someone who is posting sometimes in thread and apparently posting in a QT live, vs. letting someone live who actually is just doing nothing, I'd much rather keep the Foolishness alive than the Oats. Sorry Oats.
I PERSONALLY don't want to lynch RoL. I gave some reasons when asked (maybe by JAT?), but also the push on him from Foolishness makes me shy away even more. Foolishness's cases have not resonated with me this game like they have in recent ones.
ANYWAY. SEEING AS WE HAVE PEOPLE ALL OVER THE GLOBE AND WE HAD TROUBLE GETTING MAJORITY ON D1 AND WE'RE HAVING LOTS OF TROUBLE GETTING MAJORITY ON D2, WE REALLY NEED TO START CONSOLIDATING.
DOES ANYONE THINK THAT THE ABOVE LIST OF OPTIONS IS PARTICULARLY BAD? NONE OF THOSE 4 ARE MAFIA? THERE'S SOMEONE WHO SHOULD BE ON THAT LIST ABOVE A BUNCH OF OTHERS, AND THAT SOMEONE HAS GOTTEN SCUMREAD BY MULTIPLE FOLKS, MAKING THEM A REALISTIC LYNCH CANDIDATE?
CUZ OTHERWISE, WE'RE DOWN TO LIKE 1/4 CYCLE AND EVEN IF WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRAILS WE'RE NOT DOING WELL WITH OUR VOTING.
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Hey slam.
On April 30 2014 06:55 austinmcc wrote:
Slam,
you were willing to vote oats, but never really said anything else about it. Is oats scummy/scum? Why?
I read your filter. I donated you posts yesterday so you could explain yoseff a little more. I see your OOP scumread, and I don't share your thoughts because while you say he's getting outside info or something, it reads to me like he's just flailing around and making stuff up ---> Ace shot people, etc. etc. If someone outside the thread is telling him that things happened when they didn't...well then the scumteam is already going down in flames.
Are you willing to consolidate? Our of the 4 dudes above, anyone in PARTICULAR you want to lynch/don't want to lynch?
p.s. seriously, you know I'm interested in oats. Plox to answer question?
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On May 01 2014 02:34 Alakaslam wrote:I havebeen kusplaining why it b really pretty hard to be arsed for this, it is often like if I put out an opinion folks will actually use that as an auxiliary to why someone who agrees should be lynched. So in reply town gets " o well  then " And even then I post a huge dblue bold caps saying LOOK GUYS THIS IS WHY I IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT OF ME? And I hear " , Besides lynch foolishness no don't lynch foolishness wait what? !" So I "ok but I don't quit" How many times have I called you scum this game or put you on any kind of list I've made for shooting yamato?
You shot yamato. That happened, it's over. I'm trying to move things forward here. You need to move things forward as well, imo, because people are more likely to find you townie for ... finding neat stuff, lynching scum, etc, than for talking about shooting yamato.
You can me or anyone else or everyone else or any chickens of any level of intoxication you'd like, but we had kind of a poopy end of D1, and we're on track for a poopy end of D2, and we gotta stop that.
On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again... I continue to be a fan of less/no shots. I'm gonna try to pull the lynch around, but it doesn't seem I can pull people to not shoot and just let lynches do work.
If you're shooting someone who is a major lynch candidate, you probably should go ahead and do it, because ... we need to CONSOLIDATE and not be split and then have one guy with votes get shot late in a day when euros are asleep. I don't think you SHOULD shoot (if you actually can), but oh well. But you should make shots on your choice of guy. I'm trying to do a little leading here, but not full-on assign everyone actions, because I still want to see what everyone does when not assigned crap, and I don't have pull yet to do full-on assigning.
So...I dunno. Mainly I just want to avoid no-flips. Having none or max of 1 a day lets us do that. I think the value of avoiding no-flips is pretty high for town, and it's high enough that it outweighs possibly shooting mafiosos?
THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A TERRIBLY WRITTEN RESPONSE, UNSURE
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VE, we're not killing Slam or Cephiro today. You know that. Thoughts on oats and RoL?
Koshi remains kind of poopy for me.
On April 28 2014 07:02 Koshi wrote:
Why isn't Oats lynchbait?
Small filter.
AFK till lynch. Oats is lynchbaitOn April 28 2014 07:03 Koshi wrote:
I read Oats filter after reading austin case and I don't see the connection. The case is larger than his filter.
case is meh
On April 28 2014 07:07 Koshi wrote:
Oats even has way bigger filters than this as mafia.
He is a fucking hard catch normally.
Look at all the games.
He always is like last mafia standing. Scum oats HAS BIG FILTERS
On April 29 2014 17:53 Koshi wrote:
geript got shot. Things we learn from his filter:
1) Oats is town Geript <3 oats
On April 29 2014 21:43 Koshi wrote:
amagad I just got confirmation geript might have been shot protecting somebody. So the whole read thing might be wrong.
Grrr.
Ok I retract my townreads on Oats and on Alakaslam.
FOOLISHNESS AND CEPHIRO STILL MAFIA
Also probably JAT. OATS NO LONGER TOWN BECAUSE ______________. (If you're following along at home, you'll realize that Koshi thinks Oats is town because of filter and meta. The fact that Geript MIGHT have been shot by mafia, and that shot MIGHT be because of his oats read being correct should NOT cause Koshi to change his mind. Especially when Koshi continues to say Oats is lynchbait and plays differently as mafia.)
On April 29 2014 23:33 Koshi wrote:
[CUT]
Oats looks just strange. He looks like giant lynchbait and he doesn't look like that normally. Look at his scumgame in PYP, look at his scumgame in Catastrophe, he isn't this meh D1 as scum. Because we can't be sure that geript was shot by mafia, I can't make these conclusions anymore. Oats is "strange". Oats is "lynchbait". Oats is playing differently than he did in his scumgames, his D1 was not his scum game.
On May 01 2014 02:47 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 02:35 Alakaslam wrote:On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again... That's really scummy, scummy enough to vote for That's actually really good play. Oats is a good shot. We all know Oats can play decent but he refuses to do so. If he is town he can get fucked. If he is scum yay for that shot. Oats is a good shot.
Koshi thinks Oats is town guys. He says mafia Oats has bigger filters, this Oats has almost no filter. He says mafia Oats played differently in PYP and Catastrophe, indicating that this is not Oats's scumplay. He says oats is lynchbait, meaning not a good lynch, which also should mean not a good shot.
Seriously. For all of Koshi's posting, it's all air for the last 60ish hours or something.
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On May 01 2014 03:02 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 02:45 austinmcc wrote:On May 01 2014 02:29 justanothertownie wrote:
AUSTIN! Let's make a deal.
I shoot oats dead and you lynch Foolishness with me.
DEAL?
Now I will really shut up for a while. I am already running out of posts again... I continue to be a fan of less/no shots. I'm gonna try to pull the lynch around, but it doesn't seem I can pull people to not shoot and just let lynches do work. If you're shooting someone who is a major lynch candidate, you probably should go ahead and do it, because ... we need to CONSOLIDATE and not be split and then have one guy with votes get shot late in a day when euros are asleep. I don't think you SHOULD shoot (if you actually can), but oh well. But you should make shots on your choice of guy. I'm trying to do a little leading here, but not full-on assign everyone actions, because I still want to see what everyone does when not assigned crap, and I don't have pull yet to do full-on assigning. So...I dunno. Mainly I just want to avoid no-flips. Having none or max of 1 a day lets us do that. I think the value of avoiding no-flips is pretty high for town, and it's high enough that it outweighs possibly shooting mafiosos? THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE A TERRIBLY WRITTEN RESPONSE, UNSURE Ok, at this point I have to realize that I will absolutely need post donations today again. Prplhz? Anyone?  Yeah, noflip sucks. But I will definitely shoot today now that I claimed. If I don't scum just shoots me tonight and I don't get my shot. Or they don't and push me day3 for not dieing. No thanks.I get that you want to see who I would decide to shoot on my own but if you aren't scumreading me please tell me who you would like to die. You are one of my townreads and I want advice before shooting. Everyone else may give suggestions too. I could also ego trip and just shoot one of my top scumreads like BH, Foolishness or Vayne but I would rather see them flip tbh. (especially Foolishness). Shooting a lurking question mark may be better. I don't know. Need input. See, this is fine by me.
If you don't shoot and scum shoots you and you're town, you flip town. You die, and not someone who is a medic/coroner/cop. People look at your reads, see they're from town, don't 100% sheep them, but it's GOOD.
If you don't get shot, and you're worried about a world in which you're alive 1 day from now (along with at least one other claimed vigi possibly), then what in the heck makes you think THAT is enough for you to be seriously pushed over options like Foolishness/Oats/Everybody?
I cannot believe I'm ever actually typing this, but you're overly worried about role. Vigi isn't NEARLY as threatening to scum as docs, cops, coroners. Dying is FINE, scum wants you to die if you're town, it might happen. Playing townie and all that good jazz is way way way more important than shooting someone.
My top bro would be oats. Koshi is maybe right under him? Foolishness right there with Koshi, but again, MAYBE this QT thing is helpful, and if nothing else he doesn't magically live for days and days. He's a problem we can easily solve in the future.
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On May 01 2014 05:16 Foolishness wrote:
I'm having trouble understanding this world where 3 active town members on day 1 (plus one confirmed town who died at night) who each posted their own cases about why strongandbig should be lynched are mafia and not say the ~8 people who have yet to post a case, contribute to the town or post their own thoughts.
I'm also having trouble believing that it's in the best interest to the town to kill the people who are posting cases and contributing and just letting those ~8 people get away with doing nothing.
So I would be honored if someone can explain to me why the people who sat around on day 1 are all likely town. And ya know, you can do this by responding to the cases already made or by posting your own.
On May 01 2014 05:23 Foolishness wrote:
Really I'm just baffled by this all. Is the logic as follows?
"oh, 75% of the players in the game are just writing sheep posts and not posting their own thoughts. Meanwhile 25% of the players are posting reads/cases, trying to steer town in the right direction, and analyze what the mafia has been doing this whole game.
Well, I know that there are more town than mafia in the game because that's how the game of mafia is set up. That must mean all the town players are doing the same thing and are in the 75%, and it must be the mafia who are the 25%."
I'm legit trying to figure out the mindset behind this. Cause hot damn so many people are on board with this I'm questioning my own stupidity. Whether Foolishness is mafia or not, this is an entirely legit statement.
I cannot think of a case where mafia has just straight up hard-pushed a single target, all together, early on in the day. Maybe this will be the shining example of that, but that is GENERALLY not a go-to strategy.
HEY FOOLISHNESS COME ON LET'S TALK. YOU'RE CEPHIRO AND YOU PROMISE SOMETHING BUT YOU DON'T DELIVER. THEN YOU DELIVER THAT POST. YOU'RE PROBABLY OF WHAT ALIGNMENT?
I GUESS ALSO JUST GENERAL QUESTION. YOU'VE GOT REBIRTH, PALMAR, WOS, OATS AS MAFIA IN YOUR LAST LISTY POST. THAT'D MEAN THAT YOU'RE ALMOST REVERSE-CEPHIRO-Y? LIKE MOST OF YOUR MAFIA IS ON SNB, BUT THEY'RE ALMOST ALL STRAGGLERS. YOU'RE COOL WITH THE IDEA THAT HALF OR SO OF THE MAFIA TEAM, IN WHAT MAY HAVE BEEN A TOWN V. SCUM LYNCH, JUST...SHEEPS THEIR WAY ONTO SNB? IF I WERE MAFIA I WOULD HAVE BEEN FLIPPING OUT IN QT SAYING THAT WE COULDN'T HAVE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE LIMP ONTO SNB, I'D PUSH FOR A NO LYNCH OR TO THROW MORE VOTES ON SLAM TO TRY AND DRIVE EXTRA CANDIDATES (IF SLAM TOWN). BUT YOUR TEAM BASICALLY LIMPS ONTO A TOWN LYNCH IN A TOWN V SCUM SCENARIO IF OATS IS MAFIA AND THAT'S ... NOT SITTING WELL WITH ME. I LIKE CAPS.
On May 01 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Foolishness can I ask how I fit in to all this exactly? Am I 25 or 75? And I am pretty curious as to how Bh's gumshoe lynch fits into your mason QT exactly.
Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if RoL and Oats are town in this game----for me to be as apathetic as I've been to think that people who normally lurk (like RoL) are similar isn't a stretch. Except of course that apparently this kind of game is the ideal for RoL who hates spam. And I dunno oats is just oats. I'm still pretty damn certain this game is just over, hence the apathy. So much idgaf in this game from me and mostly everyone else, it sucks for the people who are fighting against a brick wall. Like Austin.
Also cephiro only pops up with large vomit posts when people remember he's around. Curious coincidence.
I'd lynch RoL or ceph or oats today I guess considering I don't have anything useful to add. The BH-foolishness thing seems legit and kinda difficult for even someone like BH to come up with if they were both scum. Hey hey, if you WOULD lynch one of those people, then the key thing to do is to type it out with a vote in front of it, so that you actually ARE lynching one of those people.
Everyone is standing around. Or ... sitting at computers.
If you WOULD vote someone who is a legitimate lynch option, DO vote them. If you SEE something, SAY something.
Also this game is fine. It's apathetic, but oh well, it'll pick up the moment we lynch some scum or get claims or whatever. We've mislynched a whopping 1 time. That's it. Geript MIGHT have saved someone from a shot last night. We're fine. We post sirens, we lynch some scum, we win the game, ezpz.
The above is part at oats, part at everyone who says they'd be willing to lynch x, y, or z. You signed up to play mafia, the game where you lynch people you think are scummy. You lynch them by VOTING them. The OP even tells you how.On April 15 2014 04:45 Ver wrote:Voting rules: 1. Voting is done in this thread . 2. This game uses Extended Majority Lynch (Must have majority by end of deadline, ex. if 23 players you need 12 people to lynch) everyone says who they WOULD vote, but nobody ever actually votes, YOU WON'T LYNCH ANYONE EVER. 3) Use ##Vote: Player or your vote will not be counted.
I promise you that if you follow those directions, you can actually stick your vote on someone. There is NO downside. The game is about lynching mafia, with your votes.
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gg possibly town kosherino?
On May 01 2014 07:07 Palmar wrote:
why on earth would you shoot an active player like that you moron. What has Koshi done with his activity in the last almost 72 hours?
Like...2 ideas that he's actually pushed, or a read that he made out of the blue, or a new perspective on anything.
On May 01 2014 07:22 justanothertownie wrote:Ok, so does anyone have a reason why I should not shoot the crap out of Poofter right now? Also grats to Palmar and WoS who complained heavily AFTER THE SHOT but said nothing (afaik) before when poofter announced he would do that. Show nested quote +On May 01 2014 07:13 Palmar wrote:
Blazinghand, Foolishness, Poofter, VA all need to die.
Maybe Oats, maybe slam, maybe rol.
That's what I have been saying all day, lol. Those are literally exactly my reads. You town after all? Someone give me 1-2 Posts please (to votechange - although that won't happen - or shoot) I have none left. I know I have been wasteful, sorry BECAUSE THE GAME GOING LONG IS BAD FOR SCUM. MORE DAYS IF THEY HAVEN'T KILLED DOCS/COPS MEANS TOWN GETS EXTRA USES FROM POWER ROLES.
MORE DAYS MEANS MORE MISLYNCHES THEY NEED TO GET.
MORE DAYS MEANS LESS HIDING PLACES, MORE CHANCES FOR THEM TO GET CAUGHT/OTHER PEOPLE TO BE CONFIRMED TOWN.
MORE DAYS IS GOOD. MORE PEOPLE ALIVE IS GOOD. SHOOTING PEOPLE MEANS LESS PEOPLE ALIVE.
There's also the fact that coroner gets a check a night, and so maxing out at a single unflipped person per day is somewhat better for us than multiple folks unflipped.
I went back to look at some past oats games, but didn't get super far because I'm not quite sure what exactly I'm looking for or how to show it, and I haven't played/read every oats game.
Basically, this one seems similar to Nuclear Winter to me. I thought Oats's reads were wrong, called him on it, he kind of halfway shrugged it off with answers I didn't like, and I ended up being CERTAIN he was scum. Then just...doing nothing with it. And there was no traction elsewhere to push him. + Show Spoiler +On July 10 2013 23:46 austinmcc wrote:Oats, I'm...kind of interested in where you slot your reads within a specific group. In this post I half-mentioned rayn's plan, and I posted my suspicions about FirmTofu, specifically those two posts that I found scummy. Very next post is you: Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 00:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah seems kinda like he has extra info. And just adding JUST IN CASE stuff to look active. scummy man. Which implies that you kind of like my thoughts, and find FirmTofu scummy. At best, you say nothing about me, but are worried about the FirmTofu posts I was worried about, and are scummy on FT. But zen we come to zees post: Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 09:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace, if dandel is replaced, do you still want to lynch that slot?
Austin looking like scum because rayn's reads are good and cause he asked me about why I used 1 shot yesterday and never drew any conclusions. Fake activity.
##vote Austin
Firmtofu, basically you think jampi scumslipped right?
You wake up, and are now scummy enough on me to vote, despite never actually mentioning me before. rayn's reads must be very, very convincing. Do you actually agree with his reasoning? Por que? You also question FirmTofu about jampidampi, and then later about me: + Show Spoiler +On July 10 2013 09:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hmm.
Thoughts on Austin Firmtofu?
I find all this curious, because before sleeping you were scummy on FirmTofu, and didn't indicate any read on me (yes, I know the rayn post and me not following up on your power usage occurred after my post on FirmTofu, but it's odd for your read to spring up overnight). When FirmTofu gives youa read on jampi, you answer with: Show nested quote +On July 10 2013 10:04 Oatsmaster wrote:
I feel that the jampi case has too much speculation in it. Do you think he is scum if you ignore the nuke thing? Here's mah problem with all that. You found FirmTofu scummy. Then you asked him about jampidampi and myself. I don't know if you noticed my own jampidampi thoughts or not, but he's one of the folks I actually think came out looking bad from rayn's shennanies. You may disagree with FT's jampi post directly, think there's too much speculation, but you don't ACTUALLY seem interested in jampidampi because (1) you never give your own thoughts directly and (2) you seem to ignore every other post on jampidampi, and there had recently been a couple. You're focused only on FT's post. So plox to enlighten us with what you actually think about myself, FirmTofu, jampidampi, and heck, throw in VA while you're at it, because he's kind of connected in the reads that myself and FirmTofu have given. It's not damning, but your hopping around here looks scummy to me, because it doesn't seem like you've got real reads and you're just floating around. On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me.
Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation.
And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum.
Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT.
I havent read VA that much if at all On July 11 2013 00:53 austinmcc wrote:Oats...what are you doing. You call out Ace for doing jack shit, but I haven't really seen you do anything other than stop a nuke D1. You say this: Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 00:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ace is doing jack shit and it worries me.
Austin, I woke up, caught up, decided that Firmtofu wasnt actually scummy for the fake nuke thing, its just speculation.
And that therefore, with 2 bullshit cases, and the random advice for not much reason, I think you are scum.
Im waiting for jampis response to case by FT.
I havent read VA that much if at all But I had suspicions of FirmTofu because of his posts around the D1 lynch. Had nothing to do with the fake nuke thing, and when you found him scummy there was nothing about FirmTofu and the fake nuke thing. If you think my cases are bullshit, then you didn't follow the D1 lynch and you're not following the timing of the game at all. If you think I'm giving random advice, rather than advice that limits mafia's options and trying to set up a plan for how town is going to approach nukes/nuking this game, you are a sillybilly. And this: Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 00:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am willing to give dandels replacement a chance to play the game since dandel didnt. is even more sillybilly-esque. Nobody KEPT DI from playing the game, he chose not to. He chose to do nothing that would affect the game, despite checking in from time to time. That's a conscious decision, and it says something about his alignment. The fact that you cast it aside and don't see it as AT ALL telling on his alignment, despite having played with him, despite him almost getting lynched, and despite all the posts that people having dug up on how scum DI plays/thinks...well, that doesn't look good for you. You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke. On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands.
D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No.
So therefore you are scum.
I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. On July 11 2013 01:06 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
Dude. Advice given so far has been useless. Your post on FirmTofu was about the claim not the fake nuke, my apologies but my point still stands.
D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. Now is austin bad? No.
So therefore you are scum.
I firmly believe that dandel would play to win unless he really couldnt so I dont feel that its alignment indicative. So far, yeah, it's been useless. Do you think it's not a good idea for people who can't keep up with the thread to try and participate? Do you think that it's a good idea for town to exert majority control over nukes, using them as extra lynches? D1 I lynched town, yup. The plurality did too, I heard it wasn't just me. (1) Holy balls I have lynched plenty of townies. I think in my last town game I mainly wanted to lynch town iamp. I think in one of my more recent towngames I basically ONLY wanted to lynch townies, whatever that one was that we both played in and I just argued with marv. (2) Moreover, if you think DI is town, then you think that with the lynch looking like it was going to be on DI D1, I posted that ON case and voted ON and caused a stir just to lynch a different townie. That's fine, that's solid play in my mind, but if I needed to look active/townie, there might have been better ways to get active than writing that case and getting a townie lynched. (3) If you think DI's absence is NOT alignment indicative, then how do you have a townread on him? On July 11 2013 01:08 austinmcc wrote:
I think that if I'm your top scumread, you're mafia or really just being lazy. None of what you're saying really makes sense. And whether or not my plans/advice is "useless" doesn't indicate whether you think it's actually good or bad advice, advice that, if followed, would favor town or mafia.
If I'm gonna give useless advice, I can make up useless advice all day. But if the advice is town-favored, maybe that's important, whether other people are taking it or not. However, if you'll note, ain't nobody fired off no nukes yet today. Maybe my advice is useless, maybe it's not. On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that?
Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team.
Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? On July 11 2013 01:17 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont have dandel as a townread, where the fuck do you get that?
Austin, maybe scum aint got a nuke so your advice doesnt affect your team.
Can you explain how Im scum if I think you are scum? OMGUS much? Show nested quote +On July 11 2013 01:00 Oatsmaster wrote:
D1 you lynched town, it looks like you want to lynch another townread of mine again. I want to lynch DI --> xigxag. Assumed this was referring to him. If scum doesn't have nukes, THEN WHY DOES MZ HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO SHUT DOWN NUKE FACTORIES? You think that MZ, as town, can shut down nuke factories, but only town has the ability to produce nukes? The fact that a town role does that means anti-town forces have that. Scum not having nukes in this game would be like nobody having alignments in a DT game, or there being no KP in a game with medics. The role wouldn't exist in a regular game unless it could be used in a way that benefits town. Again, you're not reading the game closely enough. I don't care if you think i'm scummy. I think that if I'm your TOP scumread, you're either really not paying attention or you're scum. It's not pure OMGUS, it's more...you are asking people for a lot of reads, and giving out very very little content that you yourself generate, whole cloth. You pop me out as your top scumread just because you like rayn's reads, which you never actually discuss before magically arriving at me as top scumread. You don't seem to care that there is a legitimate argument that rayn's reads were constructed in a wonky manner, made by multiple people. On July 11 2013 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dunno dude, there have been millers with no cops.
Speculation is bad.
What is the legitimate argument that rayns reads are bad?
Here's the main chunk of Oats/me talking in Nuclear. I was town; he was mafia. Oats was pretty active on D1, but his votes/reads didn't look right to me, and I called him out on it. His response, almost like this, is to just sort of try to ... shrug off the pressure. Besides calling me mafia, which hasn't really happened the same way here, he NEVER really responds to the meat of my arguments --> he doesn't really want to chat about DI or his reads or how they progress, just how I'm mafia, or speculation is bad, or just shrug off that he didn't really have the reads I think he has. THIS WAS MY CONCLUSION AT ONE POINT THERE You're either mafia or you're choosing not to actually read and participate in this game, skating by on having saved someone from a nuke AND TA DA! Oats has chosen not to read and participate in this game. In a SIMILAR vein to that game, Oats's reads don't line up for me. Palmar is super mega anti-town, but then utterly GONE once snb comes up. Nothing on Palmar today. No voting for Palmar, troll-voting for Palmar, anything. Just say he's anti-town early, do NOTHING with it, swap reads in ways I don't think make sense, etc. I may be overdrawing parallels, but the time games are very very similar in my mind, and this is why I'm pushing him so hard. I forgot about Oats in that game, despite KNOWING he was mafia off that bit. We all let him skate. Nobody hopped on board. And mafia mostly-cruised to a win. Boo.
I remembered him being MORE posty and responsive, and still scumhunting, during Thug Life once he started getting serious accusations of being mafia. But that game was long, and there aren't a lot of quotes in his filter to show where people started getting super scummy on him, just I remember that happening and defending him there.
Whatever.
I don't think he's town. NOBODY seems to think he's actively town. That's not good imo. If you're mafia, FREE MISLYNCH. Just say you're sheeping me, jump on oats, mislynch, yayayaya. It's hard as hell to push a lynch on a guy who is actively just NOT POSTING AT ALL, not caring about this game one bit. Anyone who thinks that's just "oats being oats" is wrong, imo, from what I remember and what I saw in Thug Life, townoats gets accused of being scummy, yes, but he still does STUFF while responding to accusations, even jokingly. Here, NO STUFF. STUFF? NO! That's a one-game sample and that is bad of me, but here's the magical Oatsmaster Challenge.
Can anyone who says this is "oats being oats" point to a game where he dropped a game this hard after being accused? Just...never ever posting, and when he posts it's really only to say his accusers are bad? If you cannot find a game like that, then what you actually think is "I believe this is oats being oats, but I'm not actually sure, because I haven't looked back to make sure I remember oats properly." And if you look back and can't find anything, then you're wrong about oats being oats, and you need to be thinking about oats being lynched.
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