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Welcome back VE and Prphlz. You fellows care to comment on anything else that has gone on? Any insight to other things? How awesome do you think my shot was? Who should JaT shoot? Who should be up for lynch tomorrow? I know niether of you is close to post cap use those posts before the night resets you to 5!!!!! Do you guys think Oats will flip red or green?
Ace where the F are you? Lurking town might lose this game despite the best efforts of those of us trying.
This is my 2nd to last post I want to save the last one just in case but what do people think about things? Putting in info before a flip puts mafia in a really weird position because they have to know whats coming and pretend not to so posting anything about how you think todays lynch will turn out is good for town. Also I think were going to hit with Oats and already hit with Koshi (nice shot poofter!) but there is still more mafia out there. This is to everyone Who are they?
I'll go first Caller/WoS/VA/Ace/RoL my top 5 atm I think there is at least 2-3 mafia in there.
Caller's thing at the start of the day was townie enough to get discussion started but he hasn't done much since then and honestly hasn't done much since.
WoS is admitedly not trying/playing bad/coasting he could be town or just using this apathy as a cop out as mafia.
VA posts in these short little one line bursts and did that thing just now at the end where he said "i dont like this whoops too late" after saying not much all day. IF Oats happens to be town this might be a mafia looking for an out.
Ace hasn't done anything all day but say lynch Palmer and afk a whole bunch. I don't see much scum hunting from him at all this is also the 2nd time he seems to not care about a lynch going through and ending up on a non-major wagon.
RoL guilty of what WoS is doing look at Foolish's case at the start of the day for more info on that.
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On May 01 2014 12:21 justanothertownie wrote:Oh shit I forgot about the most votes mechanic. Interesting. There could be information to be gained here. Sorry WoS! 
This is especially pertinent. Good catch day 1 austin. So the fact that scum had a day vig we have myself as town day vig Jat claiming it and Slam already to have shot I think scum having equal amounts of vig shots to town would make sense if so I think Jat although really wrong on foolish/Oats wouldn't be that pushy on it as scum knowing the Oats flip is likely. Therefore I feel like Slam is very likely to be mafia day vig in this scenario. Now it could be mafia is sitting back and holding shots from day vigs for possible power roles but I think that even numbers of town/mafia day vigs makes the most sense. I will say this if you're going to accuse someone from this point forward VOTE FIRST then accuse so that way you can't instantly be shot like if we have a cop who gets a red check or something.
Getting off work and playing some video mafia tonight + Show Spoiler +Feel free to join if you're interested will be with the daily mafia crew toss me a PM and ill get you in.
@those who I called out in the last post before day end during the night can you attempt to give your thoughts and who is scummy/townie? What does the Oats flip do for your reads? NOT GIVING TOWN INFO IS BAD post restrictions doesn't mean lurk use those 5 posts wisely.
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On May 01 2014 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh nevermind, I thought the votes were at 9 when I voted LMAO
Nevermind the confirmed bit, but I'm still town.
Banks I'll get to you later.
Is it later yet?
@VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts?
@JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill??
@Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out?
@Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot?
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On May 02 2014 10:41 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Poofter I'm going to hold you to that statement..
Well maby I wont.. Because I really know I'll be dead before morning.
But you know... Take a look from my perspective.
What if I am town?
Because you assume right now with your Koshi assumption I am 100% scum.
That is the only way me and Koshi make any sense together.
So are you saying me and Koshi are scum?
Ok cool.. now factor Austin into that.
Why the hell would I claim to save austin (In the heat of the moment, I might remind you. Before anyone comments. I claim to save Koshi... and then switch to Austin after Koshi tells me to fuck off, save the town, and save someone else.)
I blatantly gave not only my entire role claim but who I was going to save this night.
So like the progression there is so basic..
Poof shoots Koshi,
I am martyr for Koshi.
Kosh tells me HIMSELF not 2 fucking minutes later to move my save.
I do.
I move my save to austin.
Koshi dies.
Poof is confirmed to kill a townie. Yes this is fucking confirmed. Anyone who doesn't fucking realize this.. Please just lynch me tomorrow because you're worse than me. That's strait fucking impossible. Which means your scum. SO fucking lynch the claimed Martyr who will continue to save townies this entire game or go ahead and claim scum.
I strait dare you.
You shoot town.
You respond..
"I don't care I think my shot was good!"
Because your shot was totes on scum.
Why are you ignoring EVERYTHING I do this game?
LIKE I FUCKING GAVE MY LIFE TO SAVE SOMEONE AND YOUR IGNORING IT.
The ONLY reason I'm alive right now instead of Koshi is because [g]KOSHI[/g] HIMFUCKINGSELF TOLD ME TO MOVE OFF HIM. Otherwise you would be arguing with Koshi right now and not me.
Why are you ignoring me entirely?
You're scum.
That's why.
Too many fucking shots have been called this game for scum to only have one vig.
You're at least one more.
Lynch this guy.
I play confidently that doesn't mean I'm scum. (I do in video mafia and I usually am pretty stubborn) Also keep in mind when I shot all that stuff hadn't happened and I said that I was sure of my shot except what he did at death was weird but I wasn't going to take the thing he did at the end as a full clear (now I could be wrong and I accept that but I want to think I'm right)
I think its really unlikely that you and him are scummates because you would have a hard time explaining a death other than your own or especially austin with that claim so I think you're very town. But that doesn't make Koshi town because yes he did let himself just die think about how bad that makes me look as town for shooting him as well as think about if he had accepted your save. Like if he accepted your save he just took a save that could be used for an important power role so if it turns out Koshi was just VT or something his play makes a lot of sense or if he is scum he basically has to claim a power role later or everyone would be like "why take a bullet from the martyr if you're just a VT" especially if the end conclusion is that I get lynched for it and flip town.
Like I understand you think he was town thats fine. I think you're town for what you did not necessarily Koshi. Curiously what else have I done that you find scummy besides shooting Koshi? What was my agenda as scum? Lynch Oats? Try to save Foolish (who I think is town?) Like I shot I'm a day vig you say I'm making excuses and I don't think I am I certainly haven't said I regret shooting if he turns out town then yes I'll be upset at myself but thats my bad. Personally before we actually know for sure Koshi's alignment I think this talk isn't very useful. (obviously because I know you're just pushing on me when I'm town)
@Odin so aside from me who am I scum with? What other things do you find scummy? And what will you do if Koshi turns out to be red? What kind of fruit basket will you send me? Spoilers: I like Strawberries and bananas the best.
#Donate: 1 post to Odin I think that caps me but I'm interested in who else you think is scummy because I agree that if your claim is real you're likely to die tonight unless I'm wrong on austin (which honestly I can't imagine)
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So no way we don't lynch between BH/Slam today looks like almost everyone seems to be on board with that which is good. If Ceph isn't real that will work itself out on a later day as I assume were not in a LYLO spot yet especially with the one kill last night.
BH: I read as town because of the Foolishness supposed QT thing looks like he has hard claimed now.
Slam: Slam has shot someone who was threatening to shoot someone on the day 1 town wagon lynch in the claim that he was protecting them. Slam did look a bit better in day 2 he actually made some coherent posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 30 2014 00:29 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2014 00:17 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 23:16 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 29 2014 22:36 justanothertownie wrote:On April 29 2014 22:30 Koshi wrote:
So I can brag endgame? If you think you can brag with those reads endgame you have to have some reasons for them, correct? Believe it or not I want to hear them. Normally you are an easy townread at this point and I really need townreads because very few people are really towny this game and asshole scummers shot 2 of them last night. I have the nagging feeling that you are town but your play doesn't suggest that at all. My eyes have been opened. This looks like 'Oh balls, they's catching on, no reasoning though---hmm I can discredit here.' Also probably thought Cephiro was town until that traitor shit was pointed out to me which seems really damn obvious, including his recent attempts to defend himself. I dunno I think I just have to find someone to sheep all game. Maybe I'll make like Koshi and listen to dead geript for once? I don't think I can play this kind of format again it's killing my activity and motivation. It's funny I yelled at Slam/called him scum for saying I don't care about the game but this may be the game I've cared about the least in like, ever. Someone give me something to do. Austin you're good at that. Because asking for reasoning is totally scummy after all... I understand that you think this game sucks WoS. I share that feeling mainly because of the post restriction and because half of the people aren't even playing but why should other people put effort in if you don't? Koshi promised explanation and didn't deliver. His scumteam makes 0 sense since I wouldn't mind seeing all of the other 3 people he called scum dead. The difference is though that I would rather see foolishness lynched than shot. Cephiro and slam are both decent shots because the chance of them being traitor/scum is quite high and they are lynchbait anyways should they be town. That is actually a good point for me being shot. As for my shot people really want me to fabricate reasons where there were none, lol Like I panicked and did not read his clarification, I even understand now that was a mistake. What is funny is that recognizing this fact now makes me badass scum powerful, the all knowing scum genie. It actually makes me a recovered former retard- but hey if I must be lynched DOIT now. On May 01 2014 06:13 Alakaslam wrote:
K here is something.
IF foolishness is scum, so also is Koshi most likely even though that makes very little sense.
If foolishness is town Koshi could still be scum but most likely he is t.
That show he actually might be thinking about the game in a townie sense most of his others are 1 liners or vote hoping or incoherent to me. I honestly have no clue what to make of him from his posts cause I disagree with a lot of the reads he makes
The only thing I find weird about the claim is the part about N1 N2 compare and no correlation to N3 N4 compare (tbh seems like a shitty cop to me but w.e.) Austin did the leg work and found that another Ver game had a parody cop like this so that would be really weird for scum to make up (although it does avoid him having to make up a check for tomorrow before we lynched his other check this is in a scum!Ceph world which I don't believe in)
I'm going to read BH filter ignoring the QT bit and see where I end up.
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I reread BH's filter today at work seeing if there was much in there that was townie. (It was thank god more coherent than Slam's) It looks like a lot of activity is dying in the thread and I'm a bit sketched out about the fact that everyone is voting BH who claims to be in a mason QT vs Slam who day shot someone threatening to shoot people BWing on a town. Honestly I don't find any of them particularly townie the only saving grace for BH for me has been this Mason QT thing I mean if he is fake claiming mason is a ballsy move from him as scum. I would think that has very low success because he links himself so heavily with Foolish who is forced to back up his claim. I know more about Foolish than BH and I honestly feel like Foolish would make a better play than that but it could have been he was forced to go along with the BH ploy or steam role a mafia.
The activity level of this game feels like the end of Catastrophe so maybe with the Oats lynch mafia has the wind out of its sails. (Perhaps that poofter guy did shoot right after all!)
I really think slam's shot has been scummy and then he hasn't done much but there was a weird posts that I think Foolish pointed out at the start of day 2 where BH took the party line most mafia do of "lets lynch the lurkers" and he voted gumshoe who was first to case Oats. + Show Spoiler +On April 30 2014 00:53 Blazinghand wrote:
Im glad Geript got shot, since I was probably going to push him today and I'd rather lynch scum. I could probably successfully make an Oats push, but I think where we should really be focusing is the people who weren't on either Oats or SnB at the end of D1 (especially people who voted for oats then buggered off and almost caused a no-lynch) if we want an optimal chance of hitting scum. My working theory right now is that scum hung back and let the lynch happened, as Foolishness said which IMO is accurate. It felt like a lynch propelled by badness of town rather than an active scumteam. If I had to guess, Besides Oats (who was on slam) we'd want to look at tehpoofter, gumshoe (nonvoters), and Ace, basically anyone not voting on the main wagon or the main counterwagon. Also a good luck at people who were around near the end and stayed on Oats-- anyone pushing for a no-lynch or trying to prevent us from getting our shit together. IMO if I were scum and town was having the kind of cluterfucky D1 we had, I'd just try to make some kind of excuse to not be involved and then have a blank slate going into D2. So yeah, basically sideliners. Scum doesn't need to be active to win this so far, let's change that.
Now, tehpoofter literally hasn't posted and we can anticipate a modkill for him. well looks like he's actually here so i'm gonna gve him a day. Also Palmar still has another 24ish hours to seriously impress before I worry about him.
Gumshoe however HAS posted, just not in the past 24 hours. I don't buy his reason of having some kind of sc2 clan war, and honestly I see him as scum being less interested in actual scumhunting. When you play scum you're mostly motivated to float by rather than learn things about what's happening in the game, and that's what I see happening here with Gumshoe. Especially in this town, the emotion driving scum is fear and wanting to hide rather than like seriousness. A Gumshoe lynch is a good lynch.
##vote gumshoe
I'm gonna go with JAT today as I still read him town and if hes right on BH then I'll look over Foolish again but if Jat is wrong I might have to reread him because he is really pushing this BH/Foolish connection hard. (I think too hard to be mafia but flipping BH will tell us a lot)
##Vote: Blazinghand
@austin Oats had the ability to shoot all the 2nd day and decided not to despite him having to know heat was most likely coming his way. He I think could have gotten away with a Slam shot so him choosing not to shoot means either
a) He for some reason thought shooting slam would cause him more suspicion
b) He wasn't around to take a shot before the votes got too high
c) He is mafia with any of the people he feels like he could shoot and without flips it does nothing but hurt him (i.e. Slam)
For me I lean towards b or C cause honestly Slam was on my shoot list if Koshi hadn't been scummy. I wouldn't have given Oats grief over it and honestly probably given him some town cred.
@Foolish I might be misunderstanding how the mason thing works but I don't understand your voting on BH if you're in a QT with him as I thought being in the QT meant you were both confirmed town.
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@WoS I read your case on me what about my last post was super scummy? Does the fact that BH flipped traitor make your case stronger or weaker in your opinion? Also how do you feel about my Koshi shot? Why bring up that one of the early shots might have been on scum but then immediately say I'm still mafia? Does that mean that you think Yamato was scum shot by slam?
@austin Thanks for the breakdown of the QT I think this makes foolish look really townie and I really don't see a scum team going all in on a single QT. I also understand reasons for not saying the names of others in the QT. I want to say though if you have info about how/when those persons in the QT were recruited and who pushed for them I think it might be valuable to the thread especially since I think Foolish is town. Did BH give other suggestions on recruits? I saw that you said Foolish was looking at me or you.
Good to see that WoS has finally decided to play. I think its important to look at who is really putting forth effort in the thread atm and seeming excited. People like WoS and to a lesser extent Palmer have come out of the shadows and starting posting much more after 2 straight scum lynches. This reads townier for me on them because I'm excited that were kicking ass the past two days and hopefully can hit another one today. (Although looks like donkies are voting foolishness so I won't hole my breath)
Towniest Town: Tehpoofter, Ceph, Austin. Slam
Town circle: WoS JaT Foolish
Slightly Town: Palmer
Lurkers that made a big case on mafia and havent done shit else this game: Gumshoe
Slightly scummy: Va, Caller
Scummers: Ace, Prphlz, Ve
I really think we're making a mistake hitting Foolish here the QT stuff seems like good info to me from austin. I think that Foolish was the other lynch to Oats day 2 and we know his alignment. I feel like scum is probably lurking/dejected after two straight lynches Foolish doesn't seem like that in his readings.
We should be voting people like Ace who hasnt done shit all day maybe he does have real life things going on but he literally has just been pushing lynching Palmer and thats it. Like reading his short filter its no cases on Palmer just lets lynch him!!!
Prphlz wanted to kill Foolish yesterday and has been riding this train with JaT since day 2. For me I think that the scenario here is town Jat is wrong about Foolishness and Prphlz has been pushing this agenda with him while letting JaT do all the leg work. I would love to hear from you Prphlz more on who else could be scum minus Foolish?
VE: This feels exactly like Ve's game as traitor last game in Catastrophe to me. He just comes in talks about how town he is and how man hes so town like that shit does nothing for me at all. Not to mention he made this post: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2014 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Hi everyone! So I'm looking at Palmar, Alakaslam, Cephiro. Palmar for reasons Ace brought up and convinced me of - at first I thought he was townily fucking off and townily blew his load, but after reconsideration I just don't think Palmar does what he does as town. He could maybe convince me he's town through his play, but he certainly hasn't done it today. I realize he's said he's busy. That's nice, I'm busy too. I didn't pardon someone for no reason other than to use my power before I die though. Palmar did. Alakaslam has that really weird shot on Yam. Notice I didn't say bad - yamato was literally asking to be shot, and wasn't playing the game. It wasn't a BAD shot. It was a WEIRD shot. Like, I don't care what he says, the townie response to "Hey list of seven people - I'm going to shoot one of you" is NOT "BANG FUCK YOU NO YOU'RE NOT". Coupled with the fact that he's unrepentantly sheeping after Caller on me and doing nothing but defend himself and it's pretty cut and dry imo. Cephiro is mainly a respect suspect. geript died on N1, which is different, so I'm going to pay attention to his reads. He wanted Cephiro dead. When he said "Vigi shoot Cephiro" this was Cephiro's response: Show nested quote +On April 29 2014 07:07 Cephiro wrote:On April 29 2014 07:04 geript wrote:On April 29 2014 07:01 Cephiro wrote:
Mason group please recruit me. That's all for tonight. You've made what... 1 post. Fuck that idea. Vigi shoot Ceph. That will solve the problem. Now I've made two. There is no "problem". A vig shot on me would be a waste with much better targets around. No mention of who those targets are, just that they exist. I don't like this. Further goes on to promise that we should have a better idea about him today. I don't, just want to lynch more. My order of lynches is just so: Palmar>Alakaslam>Cephiro. I would lynch any of them to achieve a lynch and would feel like a good wholesome person doing so.
I feel like Ace, Prphlz, Ve are playing lazy games and I feel like scum is playing a lazy game.
VA gets on the list for basically claiming a role non chalantly and playing this super weird game that seems off to me. He hasn't died at night either after basically announcing hes an unknown role Why would scum not try to kill him?
Caller did that weird thing on Palmer day one and has kinda checked out I gave him town points for that but (without looking) I don't know a single one of Caller's reads off the top of my head.
1st post of day.
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I'm about to head to bed after I go check out the other forum game I missed this weekend.
Before I do. ##Donate: 3 posts to WaveofShadows Anyone else townie need some (seems like scum isn't even coming close to their cap each day tbh)
@Austin you town read prphlz for wanting to kill foolish on the day that the cop claimed. Does it change your opinion now that BH flipped traitor?
@gumshoe So you made a case on Oats you plan on doing anything else this game? 1 scum isn't all the scum.
@Palmer I like these recent posts on Ace they make you feel even more townie and Ace even more scummie.
##Vote: Ace
Ace I've always heard is really good before I even started playing forum I read the most recent champions game he was in and this play doesn't look the same at all. Can you give another read after 3 days aside from that Palmer is mafia?
@Ace How do you feel the mafia are playing this game? More so what style of game? If Palmer is mafia who are his partners?
@Jat I doubt I'm going to convince you that Foolishness is town because you have clearly built a tunnel and are planning on ramming it home, but maybe I'm wrong on Foolishness I agree with you my first real pause was the RoL flip thats no bueno at all Also he is voting Palmer which I don't care for. One of my big hang ups on why he is town though is: what Scum Foolishness has to gain keeping the info in the QT out of town's information. Does scum foolishness not go "damn I look scummy oh damn I could put all this info out to town from the QT" That is like the easiest town points he could ever get but he is still choosing to withhold info. Explain to me why Scum Foolish does this.
@Foolishness Look at Palmer's most recent postings look how he has perked up today more so than any other day imo. Do you not get a town vibe on this? Like look at WoS who is now blowing up as town since the 2 straight good lynches after not doing anything. I feel like Palmer is doing the same thing. What do you think of Ace? What about some of the other people pushing on you?
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@Ace you're in the thread! Can you give some other reads besides Palmer? Who is town?
Also I was just reading gumshoe's filter and realized that 2 of the posts he made today I totally thought austin made when reading through so maybe he done more than just case Oats. I move gumshoe to Slightly town with Palmer after realizing I can't read.
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On May 06 2014 20:49 WaveofShadow wrote:
Thanks for the posts, but remember who else donated me posts in the hopes they'd get me off their back?
BH.
Don't toss a townread at me and throw posts at me because you think all of a sudden I'm townie, that should probably have been evident almost from the start of the game, though I can suppose I can forgive you if it wasn't.
Oh wtf as I type this I looked and apparently prplhz was banned....?
I don't give a shit that you're on my back I'm not sure you're town here but in my opinion you didn't do shit the first two days really. At least not like you did in Catastrophe which is I think the only game we've played together. I think if you or anyone takes giving of posts as alignment indicative they're dumb. HOWEVER, Since then you have been making posts and pushing I do like what you did on the BH lynch and thats when I started to question my read on you and today you've gone from "maybe I was wrong" to "holy shit town"
As far as the Koshi shot I'm going to look like a genius or a donkey. Lets say Koshi was town do you feel I make that shot as only mafia like you seem to think or can I make a bad shot as town?
I want to know your thoughts on Ace/VE. Like is this how Ace always plays? Have you played with him before? Is this VE thing not reminiscent of last game where he was traitor I mean just saying I'm town repeatedly.
Why is Foolishness a forgone conclusion for you? Do you think its the right lynch? I mean I realize Jat/Prphlz are pushing hard on him even Palmer but you think we just like wait it out for another 15+ hours until lynch or what?
The VA thing he is in the Slightly scummy. I don't think he is the lynch for today but I wouldn't put him in my town circle. Why should I know better?
How do you know he was banned? What does that mean exactly?
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@austin got into work so around until deadline. It looks like with the activity level in the thread another lynch isn't going to happen especially with Jat not being here and prphlz ban thing. I won't let a no lynch happen so I will switch if it comes to it.
On May 06 2014 21:51 Palmar wrote:
poofter, can you make a case on yourself to explain why you're mafia?
@Palmer I'd have to say the biggest mafia thing against me would be IF Koshi was town then I shot a townie on my own basically. I also could be SUPER wrong on Foolishness seeing as I'm the only one who thinks hes town it seems. Or did you mean you need something you can like Copy paste to push a lynch on me? 
@Jat why is Palmer caring and actually posting more scummy than townie to you?? That is the opposite read of what I would think.
@Foolishness Stop making posts like this I'm like the only one defending you and this looks like you're giving up.
On May 07 2014 05:20 Foolishness wrote:
WoS, it's called your bad at this game.
I've officially run out of motivation and stopped caring. Your game to throw not mine. Just read the cases that have been made and hopefully you can make things work out in the end.
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On May 06 2014 03:14 austinmcc wrote:The QT doesn't really matter. I'm posting Foolishness stuff from it mainly to get people to quit talking about it. It doesn't matter if it's outed, or if we all die, or anything like that, but I think that talk about QT, and scumhunting via QT, are not as advantageous to town as making people post about actual other stuff, who has done what that is scummy, and not what might or might not be true about a QT that might or might not exist. Foolishness was added at the start of D1, before he'd done anything, this bit is true. BH added someone every night thereafter. On N1, they discussed who to add, BH decided on Sandroba. Said he added Sandroba, but was given another bite at the apple given Sandroba's dead-ness, and another person was added shortly thereafter. If true, it's an indicator that BH was not recruited on D1. As far as relevant Foolishness stuff in there: - Palmar holding town hostage instictively town-palmar-y
- Prplhz overreacted in the past as mafia when accused, not sold on prplhz but wants to poke and see what happens
- Geript is geript-y
- Cephiro's opening is townie, in line was past town openings
- As far as snb voters go (this is still D1, no flip/no lynch yet), worried only about Palmar and SnB
- Don't know anything about oats, is he a good lynch?
- Unsure whether to be happy with snb voters or worried
- Oats's past games don't match up with this one, either town OR scum
- "Shape might be conclusive here because I cannot find anything of that shape when he's town. He has those kinds of posts when he's mafia.
Of course I'm not switching to Oats unless we really have to. But at the end of the day he might not be a bad lynch, and worth looking into tomorrow if he's still alive." <-------- Fool re: oats - This lynch doesn't feel like it was mafia pushed. Felt like town messing up. Will confirm later.
- Foolishness suggests inviting me to QT N1 (I was not the invitee that night). Feels like I'm town at a glance, but hasn't looked into me hard.
- Palmar likely town if he continues to play the game. If afk for all of D2, kill immediately. Coming in to just post reads (N1) while being under no pressure = townie. Palmar and Sandroba both probably town. Suggests sandroba being added to the QT, rather than Palmar or myself or someone else.
- Start of D2: "I'm still not feeling the Palmar lynch, but I could be convinced otherwise. It bothers me that Ace is pushing it and not doing anything else. sandroba also said that Palmar is mafia (but he also said that I'm mafia).
I'm tempted to push on Oatsmaster to see how that transpires." - Wouldn't be upset on D2 if Caller or Palmar got lynched, but doesn't think either of them is the best option for town.
- Ace feels open, not hiding anything, not pushing an agenda, would probably be trying harder to do something if he were mafia.
- Mystery man asks Foolishness what he thinks about BH. Fool doesn't know, isn't worried about it.
- Not in response to anything really specific, on D2: "Though Blazinghand, I do still think that thing on Oatsmaster really points to him being mafia.
And yeah I realize it's all heuristical hence I'm not doing anything about that particular point."[*]"Someone go in the thread and say that I'm town for:
1) posting reads and cases
2) responding to situations and not ignoring them
3) not being afk
Of which all my reads are not doing." (This actually feels minorly townie to me. I'm not used to seeing scum give out a press release on why they're town and ask folks to disseminate it). When asked why people should defend him, "Because the arguments hold more weight when someone else says them. I only care cause the votes were close and town will lose if they lynch me." - Wants to add me or poofter N2
- Unsure why BH would think Ceph lying about cop claim? (Perhaps point in Fool's favor? If BH no recruited, town is assuming the check is golden, scum has no clue what's up because as far as they know ceph has checked town/town
- Still worried about prplhz, but doesn't want to kill him D3/D4, is kinda interested in what I'm thinking about prplhz (when I'm posting that I think prplhz town for wanting to lynch outside slam/BH)
- Foolishness and I have to argue with BH and explain how traitors work. lololol
- Fool and I both confused at what BH tries to say about Cephiro maybe being a traitor, but failing to get recruited, trying to cover his butt with a made up cop check...seriously it made no/little sense. Nothing terribly important there though
- Foolishness says he gets townie vibes from Gumshoe, including Gumshoe's big early D2 post where he votes oats and cases oats. I was initially very worried about that post, because I've never seen Gumshoe actually post cases and stuff in games, but apparently he's been posty in some and lurky in the ones we've played jointly. Foolishness generally finds gumshoe townie, refutes some points I make that the post may have been pre-written and a copy-paste error causes some of the wonky quote tags in the post.
- "I'd be surprised if either JAT or poofter was mafia. Especially poofter given what happened on day 2."
- When I pray to ABBA to safeguard me through the night, Foolishness notes that ABBA had my back
THE END It's not been the most active QT. He was more active in it D1, early days, talked a decent bit with BH, has gone less posty recently. Unsure if weekend or sad about buddies. Generally, there was a small amount of anti-oats stuff, nothing that makes him super townie, not enough of it, and nothing where he's really trying to PUSH oats to the QT people. He was generally anti-BH yesterday, we were both confused at how BH was interpreted Cephiro's claim, at how the scenarios he was making up could ever be true (Cephiro traitor, guessed Slam and BH for mafia, was told that was incorrect and he failed to join mafia team ----> he fakeclaims cop and says one of those guys is mafia, thinking this will signal to the scumteam that he's the traitor, and will also get town to mislynch these people, stuff like that) It exists. It's not magical. I don't THINK foolishness's posts in QT point, in particular, to any alignment.
I read this and felt like a lot of the stuff he was saying was pretty neutral and/or requires the knowledge of other's alignments i.e. Palmer/Caller/Ace/Prphlz to be town. I did however feel like the bolded parts stood out to me and found the point I underlined the most interesting as austin you made the big thing about how Foolishness didn't research Oats' games when the underlined part makes it seem like he did at least look through them and didn't see similarities (obviously he could fake that and just say he did to seem neutral but why not give a position) The thing is that (assuming what you posted was chronological order) He went from I'm unsure on Oats to talking about his past games and they don't match up. To me that shows a townie thought train of hmm I don't know about x better go research him. If he didn't find anything conclusive it also explains why he didn't express his views in the thread cause what good is that info?
The other things I've highlighted are basically him asking the QT to post about his towniness meaning he is reading those in there as town and seems to come from a town mindset as scum he could just ask his teammates and it didn't seem like something he would do for town points.
The part about him and Austin being on the same wave length regarding BH shows a mindmeld between two townier people imo. Like BH as mafia has 1 reaction and Austin and Foolish have the opposite to me that reads more townie.
He also says he wants to recruit me and reads me correctly and I think that a scum foolishness could easily push on me for shooting as I did he definitely wouldn't find much resistance but the fact he reads past that makes him more townie to me.
The part in Red is the scummiest part because to me the tone like was he gone for the weekend or is he not trying anymore cause 2 of his teammates went down and now hes given up. Kind of the opposite read of WoS/Palmer.
I see Jat really really wants this lynch so its probably going to happen but I think Foolish is town here judging by whats in a QT that he wouldn't have known would be public at least this soon. He also has been casing people on D2 he made the case on RoL (it turned out to be wrong but I think people are allowed to be wrong and if he was right all the time that screams of TMI) He also is reading lots of other people in the QT it seems as well as in the thread. I agree he wasn't actively pushing the Oats lynch but his train of thought for Day 1 doesn't make a lot of sense unless the whole train on SNB was scum. Even then its a very weird train of thought for a scum to have. Even if their buddy was the other lynch that day why not go after someone like myself who didn't even post/vote? Why not accuse one of the towns on the wagon of being scummy? Just doesn't seem like a good scum agenda tbh maybe I think too highly of Foolishness' scum play from video mafia but to me he tends to have more try-hard scum agendas.
I ask austin to look at this and tell me that what I said doesn't make sense. Where am I going wrong reading Foolish if hes scum? I agree he is given up it seems which isn't very useful for town but idk I'm just not getting that as scum give up. (The good news is if he is scum its probably an easy game because that means we have demoralized the team!)
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@VA do you think that Palmer/Caller reactions was scum on scum? scum on town? Like seeing how the days have played out which is most likely in your mind?
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On May 07 2014 07:09 justanothertownie wrote:
In my experience the guys that seem to be scumhunting just a little are way more likely to be scum than the people who just flat out refuse to do anything. Also "this guy has done less than me so you can't lynch me before him!" is literally the worst defense I have ever heard.
I will agree with you here the fact that he is saying that is not a high level of play I'd expect and scummy.
@WoS no clue on the prphlz thing lets hope he was scum or thats no good for town. My only concern WoS about switching is that I read both Foolish and Palmer as more townie so unless we swap to Ace/Ve/Caller I'm not really sure I'm down because lets be honest if we switch off Foolish and get it wrong Jat will 100% shoot one of us and since I'm reading you more town I feel like that is not good. Although VA brings up a pretty good point about Palmer being a possible scum with Caller.
@Va I wouldn't ask the question if I didn't think it needed an answer even if I think its obvious I want to see where your head is at. My issue is that I think Caller is scummy but Palmer not so much especially with how he seems to have perked up as of late. I think Caller is more likely scum than Palmer.
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On May 07 2014 08:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2014 08:18 Palmar wrote:
If foolishness flips town we lynch poofter for TMI This is no joke btw. We super lynch poof if fool is town.
Why you so sure Foolishness is town now? You said the same thing about Ace earlier? On May 06 2014 18:40 Palmar wrote:
It doesn't matter what Foolishness' (or my) alignment is when it comes to Ace.
If Foolishness is town, Ace knows this is a train wreck and doesn't care about it.
Hell, let's assume I'm confused scum and will flip mafia, even that wouldn't help Ace's case, just make it look worse that he's not pushing a good lynch better.
Any reason you're bringing this stuff up before you even know Foolishness alignment? Who do we lynch if Foolish flips scum like you seem to think he will? Who is the auto must lynch in this world?
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On May 07 2014 08:46 justanothertownie wrote:
Townies WILL consolidate onto Foolishness later if the alternative is the no lynch. Stay and there will be a lynch. I find it hard to believe that you are letting your top scumread from earlier (Poofter) manipulate you this way.
I'm sure doing a great job of manipulating in that no one is voting with me and the majority is on my town read. JaT, I'm going to strike up posts like that doing to the hour of the time that you're awake but that looks scummy as fuck trying to push on me when I'm not even getting shit done or agreeing with the vote flop to Palmer. I'd be gung ho for Ace though.
@WoS we need to get a lynch for sure no lynching is not good because if prphlz gets mod killed and was town that basically gives scum 2 free kills and town 0 information. Ceph needs to be around for this. Others are just AFK factories. I don't want to kill Palmer or Foolish but JAT might have an anerism if we don't lynch Foolish and I just can't see him going this crazy about a lynch as scum like maybe if this was in time around a possible lylo I'd be sketched out but this seems like a town Tunnel. The numbers aren't there to switch atm to Palmer because of Prphlz afk and JAT hardon for Foolish.
Ace obviously isn't happening and I could be wrong on Foolish especially with his attitude at the end of day.
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@JaT what happens if foolish flips scum apparently if hes town I'm the auto lynch whose the auto lynch if he is scum? I asked Palmer too.
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No Way I'm hitting post cap so:
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@Slam you might need to vote change or we won't get a lynch.
Going to save my last 4 posts if needed. Please If I asked you a question try to get it if you can. I will be around for a couple more hours but really need to check into my other game. I hope I'm wrong about Foolish. Will keep checking in to be sure.
@Palmer so either way Foolish flips good to know I'm scum. Guess you're really sticking to that anti-town mindset
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If Ace actually nuked Caller (doesn't seem likely since mod posted since that without clarifying) that would be the most useful thing he's done all game. Man if Ace and Caller are both scum the "Fake a nuke" scum meta would be so real.
Marv is here! Glad we didn't get a modkill, Marv when you get around to it why did prphlz push on Foolish the day we had a cop claim with a 50/50 scum? Also What in the world is Ace doing this game? What about VE? How good/bad was my shot on Koshi? Who should Jat shoot?
@WoS I think we need to talk about the semi lurkers people like VE, VA, Palmer. Also the super lurkers like Caller Gumshoe Ace. I feel like there is a couple mafia in this group. I think prphlz was leaning scummy tbh outside of that group I read everyone else pretty townie. I also read Palmer as town for what its worth him and you both did the same thing where you perked up after lynches. I have a pretty strong town circle I think. If JAt shoots into a lurker prefer Ace or Caller then we can lynch someone like VE VA and I think there is a high likelyhood we hit 1-2 mafia. I think the only way that scum is in a good spot is if Austin or Jat is actually scum. Otherwise I think town wins this game, so rather than throwing dirty on people that have been playing townie this game imo we should look at the people not playing towards their wincon.
@Caller/Ace/Gum/Ve/Va/Palmer If you guys had to lynch 2 of that six who would ya'll want to kill and which 2 would you not want to kill? Please rank them as well. Also if there is a scum not in those six who is it and why? The town in you guys need to step up and play if we miss a couple more times we could be at lylo so we need to know where everyone stands and figure this game out. It would be a shame to lose after hitting two mafia in a row.
@Austin/WoS/Jat What is your reads on the 6? For me its Ace/CAller most scummy followed by VE. Gum did the Oats case but I would be really scared if he was hanging around a lylo so I want him to do something. Va apparently WoS has some reason why he isn't scummy so I'm kinda going with that atm. Palmer perked up just like WoS did which was very townie to me after the double hit on scum.
@Ceph/Slam What are your feelings on the matter?
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On May 09 2014 01:20 Palmar wrote:
YO
TOWN
WAVEOFSHADOW IS MAFIA
PALMAR OUT
Can you explain to me why a Mafia WoS sees his partners dying off and decides "I'm going to start trying harder and seem more excited about the game" he had basically the same feel in posting tone that you did where you suddenly got happier because the game was going in towns favor. He goes from sorta defeated to Alright maybe we got this! Why does ScumWoS do this? How is VE/VA/Caller more town than WoS?
@Austin I don't have QT access but that instantly suspicious thing that you brought up reminds me of Catastrophe where I PMd VE during the PM phase and was hit with nothing but a wall about how he couldn't trust me. (He was traitor in that game) So when you said that it makes me actually feel like he is more Scummy.
@slam/Austin/Jat/Wos/Palmer how is marv's scum game? Cause I had a pretty decent scum read on prphlz but Marv seems really town its hard to think they're the same "person" in the game cause htye seem like different alignments to me. Is marv good enough at scum to look townie like this?
@Jat I think Ace/Caller are both fine shots neither has a connection to others so their flips are not as productive as someone who has said more than 2 sentences. I'm not wholly opposed to holding a shot. I will say that if I still had my shot shooting both caller and Ace would be a good day I feel like we hit a scum a large majority of the time. Caller asking everyone to role claim was really really weird to me it seems to benefit scum more than anyone else.
@Caller can you explain the benefits of role claiming today? Why is it pro town and what information do you hope to gather?
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On May 09 2014 06:22 Caller wrote:
Ace is just making some shit up because he's defending his scumbuddy
see i can do it too
Who is his scum buddy in your mind? Palmer? What do you think of Marv coming into the thread? Does it change how you felt on prphlz? (honestly don't even know how you feel/felt on him even if you said)
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btw I'm going to sleep so I can wake up in a few hours and watch the browns fuck up the nfl draft.
The Browns are the worst drafting team ever. I have two buddies who are huge fans so can't wait to see what kinda dumb stuff they do this year!
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