You Only Shoot Once Mafia - Page 2

On April 30 2014 05:38 prplhz wrote:
Like Foolishness has done exactly what he said his scum meta is: he completely disappeared d2 after making a bad case on d1. Today we just do what sandroba said, 100% scum lynch on Foolishness. we're not going with some Caller/Ace/Blazinghand bullshit. Today we listen to probably the best town player (no no, not me, sandroba) saying that he's 100% sure on someone else and we lynch Foolishness. Get on with it.

On April 29 2014 07:26 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

Scum can't pardon other scum unless Bill Murry is hosting. The ability usually used in order to put the town a few steps back when there is a scum pardoner and generally to cause chaos. But yes, it usually does need to be used in such a way to where the person giving the pardon can escape the ire of the town the following day.

But yeah, it's not the best role for scum, but's it's more useful then a vanilla scum role because it can situationally be used to fuck with the town. IIRC we had a mafia pardoner in the last game I ran, although we kind of derp'd the implementation a bit.

Personally I could see the point being made that if Palmar thought he was going to die, he might as well use the power. He can be town and have had such a huge town read on prplhz which I don't think is too likely on D1, or he could be a scum pardoner who figured he'd take the chance to just fuck with the town a bit while he can (assuming the nuke was real). IMO I think scenario 2 makes more sense because no read should be that strong day 1 to the point where you would remove the towns option to kill a person.

Also, let's not forget he said he was going to try to fuck us, whether or not it was an act or genuine rage it seems quite scummy to me.

On April 28 2014 06:29 WaveofShadow wrote:
Also Ace hasn't mentioned NBA or posted gifs
Lynch dat guy

I think question today honestly comes down to which of the older vets cares the least and we lunch them
S ndroba/ace/palmar/caller gogogogo

On April 28 2014 10:36 WaveofShadow wrote:
Catastrophe was the first time I've ever seen SnB play that hard.
Start to this game feels like that. I've already explained Foolishness's meta read as not being great, what are the other cases against him?

I dunno this is one of those things I feel ok about, not Shadow-game VE-read amazing. I personally think we should be lynching into one of the useless vets today, because ultimately they are the ones who seem to get the most demotivated and lurky when they roll scum.

Not sure what that means for Palmar specifically---I could totally see him being a jerk like that as town but I'd be perfectly fine to lynch him for his weird spitefulness.

I can donate some posts maybe so we can continue this convo if necessary. What do you make of Slam's shot and random-ass addendum that he was going to shoot me? That post he made is probably the most sense I have ever seen him make, and it was BAD. Like...scum-bad. Who knows how to read that guy?

On April 30 2014 08:04 austinmcc wrote:
Foolishness, that says a LOT about not-oats, when yesterday you were looking over him and snb at one point, and proceeded to just say nothing at all about oats ever. Including more or less up until now, because all this other stuff is real work and the oats bit is just him having a weak vote and being absent.

This bit also doesn't quite jive with this bit [sic]

You don't have to draw conclusions, you can be not really sure, but ... a red oats means mafia probably was NOT content with how things played out yesterday.

Talk to me about oats and why he's mafia for doing scummy stuff and not for doing things that 2/3 the game is doing.

On April 30 2014 08:34 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Suck it phil. Your argument collapsed on top of itself. You talk about how I am lazy and apathetic and then say that after I sheeped you I pretended to draw the same conclusion. The real reason was because I just went WOOOO VOTE SNB, then went and did other things, then eventually came back and read it when I stopped being lazy.

On April 30 2014 08:40 Tehpoofter wrote:
@ Foolishness, Did you read my case on Koshi? At first I thought it was one of the two of you just from reading and after filter diving Koshi I feel like what he did was get a snowball rolling and instead of pushing it let you get behind it and do the leg work and slightly cheer on the sidelines "go team" knowing SNB was town and defending his potential buddy in Oats more than pushing his lynch. I really liked your post you bring up RoL sheeping you and I read his filter after your post and he really hasn't done much at all and not coming through with his promise is scummy. My question is him sheeping you is odd what do you think of Koshi's post here:


Especially when Koshi follows it up saying he thinks prphlz might be town/doesn't know why hes scummy but basically hes voting because you said so???
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Can you go into a bit further detail on what you think of Palmer? like basically you're saying "I think he's town but I'd vote he's also not the best case" Ill look through your filter for a case you have on Palmer after this but I don't recall it.


@town I Think Koshi is most definitely the scum between Foolish and Koshi.... look at the way they've played the game Koshi brings up a case on SNB but doesn't ever really push it he also defends the other lynch candidate Oats who if you read Austin's case looks scummy as well. I feel like he also REALLY wanted the Geript kill to be meaningful and brought it up very very quickly after the day start something I think mafia does because they know who is going to die. I am most likely shooting Koshi before days end unless some people I find townie can convince me otherwise (I'm looking at you austin, odin, ace, palmer, foolish). I think the lynch needs to be between Oats/WoS/BH/RoL I am going to read filters on them and decide where to place my vote. Koshi you have about 12 hours or so to convince me you're town or you'll be the proud owner of a bullet!

On April 29 2014 22:06 justanothertownie wrote:

So, to clarify: Did you actually mean to say Palmar/Sandroba are town or is that a typo? Because the rest of your posts does not suggest that as far as sandroba is concerned. You basically call everything he said wrong.
Also I think it is quite ridiculous that you group me in the list of people who "voted without much consideration". That is absolutely not true. I made it very clear that I thought oats was the better lynch and I even spoke to you about why your case does not make SnB mafia.
You claim oatsmaster never got traction which is a blatant lie. If that was the case how come it was tied (8:8 or something like that) at some point? If you are town you can do better and you will have to because if you don't provide some magic today I am very inclined to sheep sandroba and lynch you.


I don't think we should be shooting Foolishness. If he doesn't start shitting towny rainbows we lynch him today. We learn nothing by shooting him.
Could you please explain your Foolishness read in more detail now like you promised earlier? I still think your change from "mouth already full" to totes scum makes no sense the way you presented it.

The same goes for you Koshi, so BANKS I would recommend not shooting Koshi. Koshi said it himself but I think it is kinda true that he would not lead a lynch that way as scum. I mean he could be scum but he will be readable in the future. We need to get rid of the question marks who will remain question marks all game and we sadly have plenty of them this game. Examples: slam, RoL, gumshoe... if you have some kind of scumread on one of those people they make a better shot than the vocal guys.

On April 30 2014 00:50 justanothertownie wrote:

Koshi when did you lose the ability to read? I did not defend Foolishness day1 I just stated that what he did (provide a read without reasoning) is not necessarily indicative of scum foolishness which is proven true.
And yes, your scumteam as a whole makes 0 sense as long as I am included in it.
I am not defending anyone else on it. Foolishness is a good lynch, the others are good shots. I literally say Cephiro is a decent shot in the fucking post you quoted.
Also VA did not claim dayvig anywhere. He softclaimed not VT that is all and I wanted to lynch that guy since day1.

On May 01 2014 04:43 Cephiro wrote:
Alright. Read through all the filters and have enhanced my opinions and thoughts. This will only be a list post of my thoughts, I am going to elaborate further on a few people during the next few hours. Why I'm posting the list first is because I want to ask from all of you, is there any specific read of mine you'd like me to elaborate on. Depending on who asks and on what read, I may or may not comply.

Confirmed Town Club: Cephiro, geript (DEAD), strongandbig (DEAD)

Greenish Grasses (Most to least town): austinmcc, justanothertownie, Ace, yamato (DEAD), tehpoofter, WaveOfShadow

Neutral Waters (Townier to scummier): VisceraEyes, prplhz, Alakaslam, gumshoe, RebirthOfLegend, VayneOfAuthority

Fiery Furnace (Least scummy to scummiest): Caller, Foolishness, Palmar, Koshi, Oatsmaster

Joker Category: OdinOfPergo (Slight townread, but I also suspect him to be traitor), Blazinghand (Has traits that make me lean both slightly town as well as slightly scum, however I don't think both he and foolishness would be on the same scumteam)

Players I am planning to elaborate on: Blazinghand, Koshi, Foolishness, Caller.
On request: Palmar, Oatsmaster (I think most of the things I want to point about these players have been told enough times.)

So yeah, there you have it. If you simply agree with some, then nice, but I'd prefer to hear why. If you disagree with some, I won't give a shit about your opinion if you don't give reasoning towards why you disagree.

If you want to hear my thoughts about a certain player, explain why, and point out any certain points of importance you're especially interested in knowing my thought process on.



Above is how I think the lynch went down. I may very well be wrong on something (and most likely am, calling it perfectly would be quite insane), but I'm not interesting in hearing you bash my opinion for "obviously being wrong." If you think something definitely can't be the case, then do tell.

My current belief is that there are 5 members in the scumteam + 1 traitor that may or may not have been recruited yet.

My assumption is: Koshi, Palmar, Caller, Oatsmaster, Foolishness + OdinOfPergo

My main concern about this assumption is including both Palmar and Caller in the team. I like the theory pointed out by WoS early on, and had initial thoughts along the same lines. However I'm not so sure if these two would have the balls to pull it off or not. Palmar's panic reaction seemed genuine, and I can picture it easily in (Caller/Palmar respectively) Scum/Town, Town/Town, Town/Scum situations, but a genuine in panic reaction in a Scum/Scum reaction is something that doesn't add up.

With this, I'll be around writing my cases and responding to questions (occasionally and briefly, as I may be needing my available posts today.). I would like to lynch Koshi today.

On May 01 2014 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Foolishness can I ask how I fit in to all this exactly? Am I 25 or 75? And I am pretty curious as to how Bh's gumshoe lynch fits into your mason QT exactly.

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if RoL and Oats are town in this game----for me to be as apathetic as I've been to think that people who normally lurk (like RoL) are similar isn't a stretch. Except of course that apparently this kind of game is the ideal for RoL who hates spam. And I dunno oats is just oats. I'm still pretty damn certain this game is just over, hence the apathy. So much idgaf in this game from me and mostly everyone else, it sucks for the people who are fighting against a brick wall. Like Austin.

Also cephiro only pops up with large vomit posts when people remember he's around. Curious coincidence.

I'd lynch RoL or ceph or oats today I guess considering I don't have anything useful to add. The BH-foolishness thing seems legit and kinda difficult for even someone like BH to come up with if they were both scum.

On May 01 2014 06:13 Alakaslam wrote:
K here is something.

IF foolishness is scum, so also is Koshi most likely even though that makes very little sense.

If foolishness is town Koshi could still be scum but most likely he is t.

On May 02 2014 09:53 Tehpoofter wrote:


Is it later yet?


@VE and Prphlz What did you guys learn from your vote count analysis? Prphlz I liked yours a lot I think its a bit townier that you went through all that trouble to right out all the votes. VE your thing for your own use was really weird to post in the thread. Like you're posting it just to be like "hey guys look at the work im doing man I'm town" Did you learn anything from those vote counts?


@JaT explain to me what a scumFool/BH team gains from busing their partner with a shot left in his day gun? What is Fools role that makes him so much better than essentially a free kill??

@Austin What is your read on WoS? to me he seems disinterested and not caring which is different from his game in Catastrophe where he tried really hard and was very into it do you buy that the post restriction is bumming him out?

@Slam I guess we are both shooters I think I hit a mafia do you think you did? IF you still had your shot who would you shoot?

On May 02 2014 10:30 VayneAuthority wrote:


what exactly is your read on RoL or anyone else that has him as scum. I don't really have him down as anything.

On April 30 2014 07:45 Foolishness wrote:
RebirthOfLegend
Who is guilty of:

1) Sheeping the vote read here:
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And then claiming a whopping 7 hours later that he came to the same conclusion himself...
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And then 2) in his most recent post here:

He says that what Palmar did is quite scummy. Yet he said nothing about Palmar on day 1 (or Caller for that matter). He also promised that he would give the town something by the end of night 1 and he did not deliver.

So let's get this straight. He says that Palmar is scummy for trying to mess with the town on day 1 (true statement, yes). Yet he did not feel the need to say anything about it on day 1 and just go along with the strongandbig read? What townie thinks that someone is likely scum and then not vote him, not say anything about it, and not push him?

Yes, he is noteworthy for being an inactive player. When he's town he's much more aggressive with his reads and actually pushes his targets. Check out his post here from a game where he's town. Note that he actually makes a case using his own thoughts and follows through (he talks about cheesecake in later posts as well). When he's mafia he never makes a constructive case like this and only provides backhanded reasoning. In purgatory and storm mafia (where he's mafia) he comments on a lot of things to make it seem like he cares but he doesn't have the vested interest in hunting mafia or figuring out the game.

##Vote: RebirthOfLegend

On May 02 2014 11:10 OdinOfPergo wrote:
Also in case I die tonight,

I thin Fool is still very questionable.
His connection with BH isn't outstanding to me.

For all I know it is not a mason chat.
Or it could be a mason chat.
One started by a mason as scum..
Who invited his buddy N1 (since this only started D2 when BH/Fool were both questionable...)
And then Bam suddenly there is a 3 way mason and w/e
Fine recruit more people.
I do hope you do that.
Hopefully people will see.

Bh I'm pretty sure as scum.
Foolish I only feel as bad about since Oats flip.
I didn't like him day1
but Oats flip really makes me think he's scum.

I'm not going to claim I am correct.
But you will know I am not coming from it as a mafia perspective.

On May 02 2014 13:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Well if nobody else is going to talk then I will.
First of all:

This apology looks weird and forced, like you were caught at something and wanted to look good. You've been nothing but derisive and insulting towards me all game, and then this. In reality when I was talking about having a lot of people cleared I hadn't even really considered the voting mechanic (ie Oats not being ABLE to shoot at that point), I was simply talking about how I don't think scum would push him so that he'd be forced to use his shot and/or die but obviously with the voting mechanic this makes more sense. Even if the voting mechanic didn't exist,a 1 for 1 trade at this point in the game (just like in Catastrophe) is not good for scum, so bussing early makes zero sense. Now why did you feel the need to apologize to me?

Other stuff:
Foolishness, how about this. I will vote for RoL today. If he flips town, then you are scum. How does that sound? Because I can't honestly believe if you've been so active in this other QT that you haven't come down with a list of a few scum here beyond the megalurk that is RoL. It's like BH pointing out gumshoe as primary lynch. It's terrible and BH had zero basis on which to do it other than lurk. I'll give you that you have slightly more to go on w/RoL but it's not much, and it's low hanging fruit. (Not to mention the fact that you're playing a little differently from Shadow and Catastrophe, but that's just feels and not strong ones.)

I've noticed your list for today is RoL/Caller/Palmar.
This means that you've also given though to the first thing I said in this game? And yet you posted a big ol' case on me a little while ago? And still seem to think I'm scum 'but not above other people and I need to be held accountable.' How, exactly? Your thoughts really don't seem to add up in a good way this game, good buddeh.

One final thing. Thoughts on Ace? Are we still waiting for him to show up and wow us? Is this one of those games where he just doesn't give a shit like so many others?

On May 03 2014 06:46 prplhz wrote:
Scenarios:

Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is scum: Lets lynch Foolishness for being scum.
Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is scum: Blazinghand has been fooling Foolishness in PMs for two days in a row. 4 srs?
Foolishness is scum and Blazinghand is town: Foolishness has been foolish Blazinghand in PMs for two days in a row. Lets lynch Foolishness.
Foolishness is town and Blazinghand is town: Lets not lynch Blazinghand.

Foolishness is 100% scum and needs to die. Today. Tomorrow we can talk about other things but for now we need to kill Foolishness.