EPTBlazinghand & Alakaslam.
This is not up for discussion, this is an order.
BH & Slam, post your defenses please.
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Blazinghand & Alakaslam. This is not up for discussion, this is an order. BH & Slam, post your defenses please. | ||
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I got us a confirmed scum in you two, which is at worst a 1 for 1 trade for town. I want to press our advantage and keep the scumlynches going, as with the amount of KP roles in the game I'm not sure if I will/would have made it all the way to D4, so why not? Getting the scumlynch out of you two also pretty much confirms me as town (again, it is possible that I'd be scum bussing a teammate even in that case, but with scum having lost at least one member confirmed, that's probably not the best way to go about making plays.) Also me for #BestBusInTLMafia, 2 votes on Oats only (confirmed scum). You even agree my checks individually make sense. Now you're fucked because my strange pair ended up getting a result, and you're trying to question my check since it's the only way out? Keep talking yourself in BH. :3 I decided my check on you early on and crumbed it with the one-hashtag "kill"-command. My 2nd night check was made before I went to sleep after a lot of consideration about whom I'd want to check and why. I wasn't 100% on you, so I figured I'll go for a high-risk, high-reward play. Alakaslam's shot was very questionable and people have been wondering if there's a chance of him being town or not. You've also been under heavy suspicions. My check got the jackpot, in best case (if we lynch the scum first, and the townie lives), we've got a free scumlynch + confirmed townie. Worst case, we traded one for one. That's good in my opinion. Especially since as you mentioned, you both are players whose alignments are very questioned at the moment. I also wanted to check targets that are likely to be alive, since I don't get checks on dead people, and that check is essentially wasted. Both you and slam seemed unlikely to be night-kill targets at the time of each check, respectively. You just gained yourself an advantage (in the race for being lynched), with that post. | ||
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If you read BH's filter, he hasn't said _anything_ regarding me earlier in the game. Yet when I come out with my claim, he's instantly 100% decided on that it has to come from scum. I'd like to remind that when D1 lynch was relatively even, BH was one of the main players to rally the online players on the snb wagon. Whereas I never even considered him a lynch option. Can any town player honestly say that getting a confirmed scum in two players, making it a 1 for 1 trade + 1 confirmed townie at worst, or 1 dead scum + 2 confirmed townies was a bad play? You can disagree with my checks or reasoning all you want, but the fact is I got shit done, whether it was risky or not. If we lynch the scum out of the two first, we'll have two confirmed townies. If we lynch the town player out of the two first, we'll still get one confirmed townie in the cop (and I'd probably get shot, revealing my role and alignment, unless they believe they can mislead town from lynching outside the two checks on the following day if they manage a mislynch on the first.) Why does claiming in this situation not make sense? As far as I read the threat sentiment, it seems like a lot of people weren't certain of what to think about Blazinghand or Alakaslam. Now we know they're opposite alignments. If Alakaslam is the one flipping scum, we'll know that the vig shot was by scum. (So.. who thinks scum has 2 dayvigs?) If BH flips scum, that clears Alakaslam from suspicions, and he can make a proper effort for the rest of the game without having to worry about being mislynched. On May 02 2014 15:52 Blazinghand wrote: I hadn't considered Ceph as a traitor, but that actually brings up a very interesting point. Suppose Ceph IS the traitor, but he hasn't been recruited. A Traitor typically gets one chance in the game to guess at least half the scumteam, right? If he gets it right, he gets into the scum QT, and if he gets it wrong, he doesn't, but he still wins with scum. So maybe Ceph waits until N2 to try to get his reads together, since he doesn't want to screw up. For those that still linger on to the retarded thought of me being traitor... Read what BH said. Why does me wanting to get into the mason QT = wanting to be recruited by scum, if the Traitor is the one that does the guessing? As I explained earlier: On April 29 2014 22:49 Cephiro wrote: If I was the traitor, why would I be so blunt about it? Claiming traitor just gets one killed as far as I know. A traitor is of no benefit to town, nor mafia if revealed. If I am not the traitor... ---> a) Does it really look like I'm trying to be the traitor? If so, why? ---> b) Or do I simply wish to be included in the mason group? Again, I will leave it to your judgement which is more likely. If you need help to answering any of the questions I presented, ask and I will answer. The reason I'm not typing out everything is to try and get some of the more narrow-minded players to look broader at the beautiful horizon and what it beholds. Everything isn't what it may seem to be. I personally feel that BH's reaction by this point says more than enough, but if Slam is really town, he needs to stop crying about spilled milk and step up his play. He is in no position to just watch from aside and hope BH gets lynched. If you're town Slam, this is your one chance to make up for your shot which is considered a mistake and become confirmed town. Why would you not make the best of it? Also, I will try to refrain from posting too much for now, as I'm expecting to need the posts later in the cycle. If you want me to respond, be patient, I'll try to respond to multiple inquiries at once to save posts. I'm exceptionally placing my vote early since I'm fairly confident this is the right choice out of the two, especially given the instant reaction, it's something I'd expect from a scum Blazinghand that got caught. ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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@Austin: I would be fine with your second suggestion, but my checks come in pairs. Basically, my checks "reset" after each pair, so the next comparison I will get is after N4 (if I live long enough to get a successful check on N3 and N4, and do not get killed till D5 so I can share them.) That's one of the reasons why I decided to come out with my checks now. My check is good, it got us a confirmed scum + at least one confirmed townie unless you all decide to go batshit insane. | ||
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Am I correct if I assume that Blazinghand was the original recruiter in the masonry? | ||
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Got the answer for the traitor thing, traitors are always considered "red/guilty" in my checks. So if I check a townie and a traitor = Different. A Scum and traitor = Same. Effectively the traitor is scum and needs to be killed so it doesn't really make a difference working like this. @Ace: I'm parity cop, one of Blazinghand & Alakaslam is scum. Work. | ||
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On May 04 2014 06:45 austinmcc wrote: Mainly because of his response earlier in the day? You seemed kinda meh/scummy on both, anything in particular push you over the edge on BH (or back on slam)? Moreso meh on slam than scummy, was considering bh scummy earlier as well. The initial reaction by BH was exactly what I'd expect from a experienced scumplayer going for the best returns play after getting caught. As it didn't work out to the extent he wanted, he toned it down a ton, and went into full "reasonable townthought" style, as most of the players were still preferring him over Slam, it was obvious it would not work with the additional information to my mechanics I provided. There's also no major players strongly trying to push the mislynch, which leads me to believe that the scumteam is in "damage control mode". If alakaslam is the one lynched today and flips town, then obviously any player that pushed for his lynch hard will be under scrutiny. Atm I think that the scumteam is just ditching BH to have the least associations for the days to come. What I consider a very likely possibility is a try at swapping the momentum and wagon back on slam after most eu players are not around and asleep, as the imminent hours and moments before lynch are known to be very unstable. If this is to happen, it will either be performed by a player that is considered fairly town backed up with good reasoning, or then by an ignored player just "going at it". Mind you I'm really tired after today's practice and probably going to sleep soon, but my wish is that we'll stick with the BH lynch today. One more thing that factors a lot into my opinion BH as well is the way he defended foolishness combined with the players he has pushed for lynch and in what manner. And as I mentioned, he was pretty much the person (in my eyes) that vouched for the wagon chance from Oats to snb when the situation was even. | ||
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Like really, it's his best chance in the game to redeem himself but he doesn't seem to be interested in contributing. (Well, not like almost anyone else has been today since my claim, with the exception of a few players.) In any case, I'd prefer a BH lynch today. Feel free to shoot questions at me and I'll answer if I'm still around. Otherwise I'll be posting more thoughts on the remaining players during the nightphase (most likely just before deadline.) At the moment I feel that I will not be shot N3 unless they consider remaining reads / play to be very threatening / correct. I will probably get shot N4 at latest though (unless protected), as I can't see them risking me nailing another one. | ||
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Ace I'm a little lenient on since even though he hasn't contributed almost anything, I still get town feels from his play. + the activity problem thing, which I'm willing to give a chance for now. Don't want to see him continue to do nothing though. You on the other hand.. I may be partly biased because of your (in my opinion) retarded D1 play, also I still can't understand how you'd seriously consider me a traitor by wanting to get in the mason qt. + One of your big read posts was terrible. This one: + Show Spoiler + On April 29 2014 01:56 Palmar wrote: List of things! Combined for maximum post-saving. Hopefully this list will be enough to convince you guys for another cycle not to kill me. Please let me know if I have to do more. Blazinghand His initial posting looked really good. I think his vote on geript here: Loos really natural. His argument with yamato was also somewhat townie. Now Blazinghand is actually really good at playing scum, but most of what he has posted sort-of holds water, and is consistent. He's also dropped a few lines that make me think dude might be town. For example his sarcastic response to Sandroba's post. at the risk of being played by a trying mafia, BH gets a townread! VE He's trying which doesn't fit his town meta. But... he is trying, and some things he says sorta make sense. also, he gets town points for this read Mafia people generally don't make reads based on shit like that because they know they might get called out for it. "numbering his posts" is so hilariously weird that VE is probably town. Odin Seemed to be genuinely frustrated by the fact people don't lynch me even when I'm obvscum. Check out this post. There's really not that much else to the weak townread I have on him. It's basically that he's trying too hard and getting too frustrated to be mafia. prplhz retracting earlier townread, now I just don't know. His response to when foolishness case was awkward "Just lol at how bad Foolishness case on me is" The entire tone of that response post here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21270118 feels off. then again he also has some posts that sound really reasonable, like his last post on Ace: It's a pretty natural attack with solid reasoning behind it. So he's just meh for now. if I had to make a pick I'd still go town, but I'm less sure. Sandroba Dude's mafia  the best part is he instantly defends SnB but never actually gives any kind of reasons for it. Like SnB is under attack, Sandroba votes Foolishness for pushing the case on SnB but never mentions even a single word to explain why SnB is not mafia. The closest he gets is an accociative call that the "wagon is too easy". unless I missed something. Just shoot him, he's a great vigi shot as he's useless. This is classic scumdroba though, and if he's mafia I wouldn't expect him to try hard 2 games in a row Yamato I know he dead, but he was probably town. I loved his "I'll rng shoot into the people voting SnB" stuff. No matter his alignment that was cool play JAT I saw this post here: And thought, "that looks kinda townie". So maybe he's town. It's not a strong read or anything. VA Probably mafia look at this. Shitty stance on me and caller, passive because he probs knows both our alignments. Also complaining about thread quality, classic mafia. Random shitty pre-flip association: Also he hasn't posted anything of value. Very good lynch target tomorrows because it'll force him to actually try if he's somehow town and shit. Slam Shoot it before it spreads more aids pls. Not gonna pretend I have any idea what his alignment is. Koshi Don't know if he just decided to troll this game or is mafia. Look at this: I've bolded the most hilariously fabricated reads. Then again, there is the troll and aids chance. I know I'm being a little shit, so why wouldn't Koshi be a little shit? Probably closer to the scumpile though. Ace This here: Ace KNOWS this is bullshit. He's not dumb enough to believe this is actually true. But he's still pushing it because he wants to lynch me. I'm giving Ace a #180backwardstownread for this. It's the weakest shit townread ever, but it's something. You had a townread on BH, mafiaread on sandroba, mafia on VA, wanting to kill slam w/o caring about alignment, mainly. You're both players whom I'd expect to do much better, but your play is screaming anti-town to me so far (well, the last day is just sheepy sheep), whereas Ace is just "not giving a shit". So you're both bad (at being town, this game). | ||
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But he isn't contributing, he's mainly just saying "Yo, I'm around, thing X sucks, thing Y doesn't, btw I wanna survive." And thinking about his play and the role I assume him to have, it makes a little bit more sense if he was mafia, but it's sub-optimal whichever alignment he is. Which is why I hope he's managed to mislead me as town and I have no idea what he's doing. There's also a small chance that he's simply going for a super lategame play. But this is not relevant nor important right now. | ||
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Lynch was great. It went like it should, optimal result for town. Like JAT pointed out though, for you there is still a small chance of me being scum if one was to imagine all possible scenarios, but I'm confident that there's no reason me and Alakaslam shouldn't be treated as conftown for now. Curious as for why Foolishness is so hush-hush about the QT. I don't like that at all. I feel like he posts as a townie would, but the things he posts are scummy. As far as I know, there is no reason why foolishness should be so sure that the QT is only town right now. Even in that case, I can understand not wanting to share possible tidbits of information that could be detrimental if found out by scum, but there is absolutely no reason to share anything Blazinghand and he have discussed between the two of them, or basically any discussion in the QT up to the point till BH was lynched. If there is any important information in there, it should be shared publicly, since it may already be known by scum, and there is no reason to keep town in the dark of information that scum may already have. Ace needs to be pressured to do something. Same with Palmar. prplhz play is really off. Don't let him fly under the radar. Don't let lurkers lurk too much. Keep an eye on the people that seem most town. I have a feeling one of them might not be as town as they appear. Just too hard to say which at this point. Tired -> Sleep. Hopefully alive tomorrow so I can bring something more constructive. | ||
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Sorry for not being around. So we're still sticking with the foolishness lynch? Don't really think of it as the best choice but willing to go with it. (Not sure on if Ace/Palmar/Caller have done anything substantial, and based on not voting it seems gumshoe and VE have been away for the most of the cycle as well.) | ||
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##Donate posts: 3 to WaveofShadow, 4 to austinmcc, 3 to justanothertownie I wish I could donate 10 for slam... :/ Hapa ninja. For now: ##Vote: Foolishness | ||
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Well, I mean... I can't be angry at lurkers given my contribution for this day cycle, but to answer your question... In all honesty, I keep trying to re-read filters but I'm not coming up with anything I already haven't thought of. Like at the moment I feel that it's fairly likely that one of the active and considered by most town players is mafia, and probably 2 players in the lurk to semilurk category. I really wish we knew Koshi's flip because not knowing that is really torturing my trying to look at the big picture. Basically: Actives: WoS / austin / jat | Likely to have 1 scum in here Neutrals: VA, prplhz, Fool, poofter | Likely to have 1 scum here Semilurk: Ace, Palmar, VE | Lurk: gumshoe, Caller | Likely to have remaining scum in this group of semilurk+lurk Me & slam not included since from my PoV, both are modconfirmed town. As a gut feeling, I'd go for Caller. | ||
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