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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Good thing I don't believe in ghosts. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 20 2014 14:30 VisceraEyes wrote: But then I've got the spirit of Foolishness whispering from my quicktopic "marv can't be this right and be town...kill him...kill him..." Good thing I don't believe in ghosts. Marv is very often this right as town. It would be if he was less right that I'd be worried. Now as for VA, I have to check the order in which the votes happened because JAT mentioned that what I looked at may not be as it se'm rechecking the voting business and it doesn't work out quite as neatly as I thought. Essentially his voting was: D1 sat on sandroba for most of the time (with me) and then we both switched over to SnB. He hammered (though prplhz voted after so it wouldn't have been a no-lynch). D2 was 3rd on Oats and sat there. Note that Oats was bussed by a large fraction of his team. (Gumshoe first, maybeVA third, Poofter 5th, BH doesn't likely count but he was 7th.) D3 sat on Palmar all day being useless D4 Voted Palmar then was convinced by me to vote Foolishness last second (which I already had issues with I mentioned earlier in my filter) D5-D8 Sat on Poofter. (aside from a brief period D5 where he was on gumshoe---he then switched to Poofter and contributed to the no-lynch) And was first on Poofter EVERY SINGLE ONE of these days. On May 07 2014 12:27 VayneAuthority wrote: shoot poofter, lynch palmar. dont care about poofter's alignment, care greatly about palmar's. how about that wave? JAT can at least oblige us by shooting poofter or gumshoe or some other guy that just posts massive blogs that nobody cares about. On May 12 2014 08:55 VayneAuthority wrote: I think poofter is our best bet, his shot still doesnt sit well with me at all. my second choice is gumshoe if people still up for that. ##unvote ##vote:Tehpoofter This is the first he mentions regarding Poofter's shot anywhere in his filter. He calls Poofter 'obvious scum' earlier in the game, but this is all WELL AFTER the shot took place, and his reasoning for calling him obvious scum that early are because of his 'hilariously bad' posts. I also tried to look into what previous scum wrote about VA and I got that Poofter has been soft pushing him basically the entire game, and gumshoe pushed him a couple times as well...nothing particularly conclusive though tbh---I don't know one can even get anything useful out of scum filters. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 20 2014 16:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Marv is very often this right as town. It would be if he was less right that I'd be worried. ikr? So why is VE even saying it casually when he knows this himself? It's exceptionally strange. Very, very strange. The whole poof business really bothers me too. On May 20 2014 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote: I have to read before I answer. I thought for sure poof was town, so this changes a lot in my opinion. Like, really? 3 of the towniest/most influential people in the game (Wave, marv, jat) have pushed poofter at different points of the game with different, and good reasoning, and you "thought for sure" he was town? At best this is a terrible, negligent disregard for the opinions of your fellow townsfolk. If a whole bunch of good, townie-looking players think someone is mafia, it should really make you think twice, thrice, etc. Maybe VE is just ploughing his own furrow and being bad by not listening to other people? But then stuff like this bothers me: On May 19 2014 05:03 VisceraEyes wrote: It's mostly that I'm townreading poofter at this point. Like, his posting just doesn't feel like it's coming from an informed perspective. Palmar has done nothing and frankly the fact that poofter is even attempting to look town makes Palmar a better lynch today. Palmar as scum is absolutely capable of not giving a shit and doing nothing. While I concede that it's possible that town Palmar does the same, I feel comfortable saying that I find it far less likely. On May 19 2014 08:16 justanothertownie wrote: Ok, I went through all flipped scum filters, Poofters and Vaynes. Only Palmars left but I think my vote will stay here today tbh. ##Vote: Tehpoofter The problem is that I have trouble seeing him in a team right now. Who is his buddy if there are 2? VE? Hmm... Other things pointing towards town are his oats vote day2 and that he actually shot early in the game while the 2 confirmed scum dayvigs both tried to hold their shot as long as possible. Apart from that large parts of his filter reek of TMI. Like how he threats oats as confirmed mafia before he flips. How he defends Foolishness. How he goes after Ace for a long time but just when there are other people entertaining that idea he changes his read. There is a weird switch on prplhz who he thought was town early in the game. And finally he wanted to lynch VA/Palmar over gumshoe. Two totally opposing views of poof's filter, of which jat's is obviously more right. Is VE not reading? Intentionally making things up? jat's main point is that poof's filter *reeks* of TMI, yet VE thinks poof's posting doesn't come from an informed perspective. Honestly, it feels like VE is being wrong on purpose, or not reading, or something. I Am Alive So, me being alive is a thing. I don't like it. I feel like I'm being setup. I don't know what the setup is for, what the goal is, what's happening or why right now, but it really feels like I should be dead and I am not. This points me more towards VE/Palmar than VA tbh. I'm not generally known to hand-wring when I'm left alive, indeed it gets pretty tedious when people question it so usually I brush it off. So if VA is mafia he doesn't have any particular reason to believe that I'd make any different decisions because I'd been left alive, and I've already shown clear willingness to kill him. So by default it makes me more suspicious of a VE making a play or a Palmar keeping me alive because I've been defending him all game. Unless this game is amazingly imbalanced, only one of you is mafia, so whichever of you guys are town need to push their thoughts/lynch choice into the thread asap rather than late near the deadline tomorrow when it's too late to make an informed decision. Palmar, now's the time to stop being a dick like you promised, and really play. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Find me the mafioso, you've done next to nothing all game which is fine and all, but now is the time to apply effort | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
Like I'll take your word for WoS, but then I think we should lynch VA. Btw, we can't be in lylo I think, because on day 7 the following people were alive: Jat Palmar Marv WoS Va VE Gumshoe Poof If there are two unflipped mafia game would've ended right there. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Lynching VA is pretty appealing if nothing else for the reason that it would be horrible to lose to someone who played like that. You may as well tell me what you like about VE while we're at it, it can't hurt. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On April 27 2014 01:06 VayneAuthority wrote: Seems more like a bluff to me. I did it all last game in catastrophe for fun as town since my role is mediocre. I'm guessing Palmar is just VT and bored that he got shot by the insane caller. Their alignments literally do not matter as we won't see Palmar's alignment, such a waste of thread space. Complain about wasting thread space On April 28 2014 13:08 VayneAuthority wrote: well at least i dont feel bad hammering since it woulda happened anyway. w/e stupid lynch Complain about a bad lynch On May 01 2014 03:36 VayneAuthority wrote: Yea I will also lynch slam or palmar based on their day 1 actions. seems like scum is just shitting up the thread so we forget about these things. slam shot yamato of all people who is easy to read past day 1 and palmar when he thought he was going to die started baltantly claiming scum now hes back and just sitting in game doing nothing. l0l Complain about scum shitting up the thread (but if that is the case he didn't draw any conclusion about who was the scum shitting up the thread, in fact his scumreads at the time were me and oats who were not really posting at all). On May 10 2014 00:48 VayneAuthority wrote: alright well while you guys e-peen battle im voting for the obvious scum from this cycle ##vote: TehPoofter as usual will consolidate for lynches if needed but this guys posts are hilariously bad, cya l8er. Actually after this he's in permabus mode if he's mafia. so whatever, but tbh, all of us are almost permabussing except VE I think. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
On May 20 2014 19:50 marvellosity wrote: VA is still a top target, maybe my wording in my larger post suggested otherwise but it wasn't meant to. Lynching VA is pretty appealing if nothing else for the reason that it would be horrible to lose to someone who played like that. You may as well tell me what you like about VE while we're at it, it can't hurt. Not gonna pretend I can read VE all that well after he became one of the worst town players on TL (he's getting lynched or in danger of being lynched almost every game as town). He used to have a massive strength in the fact that he was an easy town read. yeah, this page here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/448443-you-only-shoot-once-mafia?page=95 I ended up saying we maybe shouldn't lynch VE. It's not a single post (although his ridiculous announcement post doesn't sound like what mafia would do "I'm not voting palmar with intention to lynch" it's from day 1 or 2 I think). And also what I said about him during night 1, the stupid stupid townread on geript was so bad that I'm not sure he'd have the balls to do it as scum. Also his responses to your accusations all sound sorta ballsy. Maybe he's a better scum player than I give him credit for but idk. The simple solution is that he's town. In other news: On May 12 2014 11:46 Tehpoofter wrote: So that was a giant wall of text. Where I stand currently. One I read prphlz's mafia game and if I think Marv is scum: Marv/Gum/Palmer my likely 3 with VA in for either gum or Palmer. If I read them and think Marv is town: Ace/Gum/VA most likely the scum team with Palmer being a maybe. WoS could be scum with Marv is scum team especially if gum was just straight afk and not just afk in the thread. Town Circle: Me Jat VE Slam. <<<would not lynch. WOW VERY SCUMHUNT, MUCH CLAIRVOYANCE Also in even other news: On May 12 2014 17:54 Palmar wrote: If I'm mafia I would be trying to win the game. If I'm town, you're equally guilty as me of not trying to win the game by being a whiny baby about some random votes. I'm not even voting you atm, I'm trying to kill poofter for bullshit shot. Oh and did you see his defense "It happened 3 days ago so you can't lynch me for it anymore". I was like "say what bro?" Looks like I did mention this at the time. *selfhighfive* | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Giving town a hero when mafia have so many day vigis intuitively makes sense to me. Otherwise mafia already have more numbers than normal (6/23 instead of 5/25), 3 day vig shots, and the ability to shoot a townie who tries to shoot them. If we take the no-lynch and the no-kill as cancelling each other out, town has mislynched twice and lynched mafia 5 times, and we still only have one mislynch left Granted two townies have shot two townies, but at the same time two mafia have not used their shot either... | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22633 Posts
But yes, I guess that actually makes sense. | ||
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Palmar
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On May 20 2014 14:26 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv is like confirmed town. Scum seem to have been in a relatively good position when he joined in, so there's like zero percent chance that he busses his ENTIRE team right out of the gates. I mean, he didn't RIGHT out of the gates, he tried to get me lynched first. But still, Plan B) Bus Entire Team? Nah. I don't believe it, so I say if he's alive at final three, let him win if he's scum. Don't ever lynch marv. Ever. So for me it's between Palmar, VA and Wave. I'll be doing a pretty exhaustive filter dive and I'll let you guys know what turns up for me. My gut instinct tells me that it's VA because my gut instinct is that Wave is town so whatever it was he found on VA is legit. I'll look at it later and see for myself, but that's my guts talkin. Funny how your gut instinct leads you to VA in this case but when a whole raft of players said poof is mafia then the opposite applied :x ##Vote: VisceraEyes Just gonna put my vote here as a test run, see how it feels. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
Whatever man. I'll defend myself if you really want to lynch me. But I think you already know I'm town regardless of your alignment. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Then Wave says he thinks VA is mafia for reasons not yet disclosed, and so you think VA is mafia because you trust Wave? What the fucking fuck? Do your extensive filter dive or whatever it is and see what you find and let us know. My vote is nowhere near final but it's how I feel right now. I'm not sure what to make of poofter's volte-face on VE. poof was VE-mafia for ages and then because VE omgused me VE was suddenly confirmed town. It's extremely odd one way or another. | ||
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