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Eden1892
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On May 06 2014 10:30 Epishade wrote: 1). I suppose the point I was trying to make in my first point wasn't as clear as I wanted it to be. Why did you ask that question in the first place? What made you think that the answer would be relevant to you at all, unless you were scum? 2). I still disagree with you here. By attempting to lynch Tamburini, which was a probable 50/50 chance of being vig or serial killer at the time, you were wasting our lynch. Tamburini made the bad move of roleclaiming vig. Chances that he wouldn't be roleblocked by mafia from then on were slim-to-none. Even if he were serial killer, he wouldn't be able to kill anyone because he'd be roleblocked by mafia still. It was a waste to organize a lynch against him, knowing that he was not mafia. 3). I guess that was a dumb point. It sounded good in my head when I wrote it down, but I'll concede point 3 after rereading it. Hell, I withdrew my scumread on Ritoky when Tamburini claimed vig and Sweetfrost flipped town, as I made Ritoky's scumread based on his interactions between the two. So then do you have a read on Ashwitini then? You thought he was town because Sqrt pushed him, but that's probably changed since Sqrt flipped town. 1) Because I wasn't paying attention and felt discussing tambo's nightkill would be a good starting point for discussion for the evening, and like I said last night, I didn't want him to shoot obvtown out of paranoia and lose it for us. I don't have a better answer than that; it was a mistake. 2) I don't agree, if I think he's serial killer then lynching him isn't a waste. You're taking for granted your opinion that tambo was obviously not the sk on d1 when I very clearly didn't share that opinion. In retrospect, yes, I wish I'd recognized tambo as the vig on d1 and used d1 better, but I hardly think that it makes sense to argue that I "contradicted myself" because I came to a genuine change of heart regarding tambo and focused d2 on killing my scumreads instead of an sk read. This whole thing doesn't make sense; both hunting an sk read and hunting mafia are pro-town objectives, so what does it matter if I switch from pursuing one to pursuing another? === As for ahswtini, scum side of neutral off the top of my head, I need to read his filter again when I'm done with my econ final tomorrow. Nothing he's said has been memorable to me, I don't see him here trying to figure it out and the only reason I had for townreading him (scum!sqrt pushing him) is out the window since sqrt flipped town. Players who aren't memorable and aren't figuring things out are bad news this late in the game. | ||
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Eden1892
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- bunnies still town I think, I want to see her posting more to figure things out; there's this vague and slight nagging feeling that she got cleared too quick and is coasting but I'm sure given the time of year that it's just finals like she's saying - I feel much better about Epishade over the past 24-48 hrs, ever since sqrt flipped he's been digging in trying to solve this thing - Meat being roleblocked over tambo doesn't make any sense to me and I think there's an appreciable chance he's mafia and the mafia didn't roleblock anyone - ahs, dfs, dravernor seem to be everyone's picks, I think I want ahs or dravernor out of that group since dfs is trying but tbh any of those three I'm fine with; only thing worrying me is that everyone is circling around them, either they're the scumteam or we've been set up - tambo still obv vig - Yell0w I'm back to being suspicious of, ever since the spotlight moved off him he hasn't really been trying to figure things out Essentially, bunnies, tambo and Epishade are in my do-not-lynch pile, everyone else is fair game right now. If we're at LYLO I like those odds since there's only one townie in that group, if we're at LYLO-1 then I'll still take 3/5 with one ML to give. tambo, if we catch a mafia today I think I want you to take a shot in that group of five (ahs, dfs, dravernor, meat, yell0w) | ||
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Eden1892
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Meat, convince me without appealing to an unfalsifiable roleblock claim that you're town. ##VOTE MysteryMeat1 | ||
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On May 07 2014 14:33 mtamburini wrote: Donkey please. Process this, bunnies gets jailed and I get mafia roleblocked. Then Bunnies probably gets jailed again and someone else other then myself gets roleblocked (99% sure mafia roleblocked) Why would mafia roleblock mafia. Get your head in the game kid or die. Process this -- my theory is that the mafia didn't roleblock so one of their own could claim rb'd and get pseudo-confirmed at LYLO. On May 07 2014 14:39 MysteryMeat1 wrote: Eden if i was mafia I would have no reason to start talking this much. I've also justified my logic on the previous page as to why i believe i was roll blocked, but for some reason that doesn't count. So lets go back to my earlier statement that if i was mafia i wouldn't be talking. We've managed to mislynch twice now and we are in LYLO. Up until now i've been under the radar, probably lynches for today wouldn't include me because there are better lynch targets. I can see why people are hesitant to lynch epishade but i guarentee you that he is mafia. At the very least i'm willing to change my vote to DFS when you look through his filter he hasn't really participated at all, and in his last post he says that we should have lynched mtam day 1 who is guarenteed to be vigi at this point. Why would you ever want to lynch a confirmed town?!?! As for being town, i don't believe town's job is to post a ton. I wasn't very active day 1 but i've been reading the thread the whole entire time. I want to scum hunt and not witch hunt. All those people who where trying to lynch yell0w day1 cause of his claim. I see where they are coming from, but imo scum hunting is different than witch hunting. As for my reads i could say who i think the other roles are but that doesn't help town. A town's job isn't to say who they think the power roles are. I think a towns job is to post when it matters, and right now it matters. It matters sooo hard that we post and converse, but where is dfs and dravernor? I don't see them posting. The roleblock claim itself is unfalsifiable, which is why I'm not considering it in weighing your guilt or innocence. Yes you would absolutely have an incentive to talk at LYLO so that you could look more townie and move the vote onto a townie who isn't talking. I'm not saying you talking is proof you're town, that'd be ridiculous, but I am saying you talking is null. And yes, you would be -- are -- a prime candidate for today's lynch because you have been flying under the radar and not trying to solve the game state. Who was trying to lynch Yell0w d1 for a claim? And what claim? I don't understand where you're going with this "scum hunting vs witch hunting" argument since you haven't been doing either. And if your only reads, at LYLO, are town power roles instead of scum, that tells me you've only been looking for town power roles instead of scum, which tells me you're in the mafia, because if you were in the town you wouldn't even care about looking for town PRs, you'd be finding scum. Mafia look for town PRs, town look for mafia. If all you've got results for is what mafia look for, that pretty clearly only says one thing about your alignment. | ||
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Eden1892
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Clarify for me, when you say "town roles" are you talking about finding townies or town PRs specifically? I read it as the latter, but if it's the former that changes things | ||
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On May 08 2014 02:39 27ninjabunnies wrote: Yeah mystery is not the kill here today. If he was actually roleblocked, we are lynching town. So fr off the table today we have me, tamburini, and mystery. So unvote him, or I vote you. I don't agree at all that meat should be off the table for the roleblock claim; his roleblock claim is unfalsifiable and I don't buy the logic explaining how it's legit. But I'm worried about the fact that meat picked up momentum like he did. His direct answers to me weren't satisfactory, but I also don't feel like they made the case against him open-and-shut, either, and I think meat's actions since then have been townie enough to warrant looking at someone else. POE thought process fmpov: - Eden town - tambo town, un-cc'd vig, granted that he hasn't proven it by his own actions yet but I'm comfortable letting it stand nonetheless because I don't think he's mafia - bunnies town, consistently been trying to figure things out from the beginning - Epishade is trying to figure things out and has been the whole phase and going back to the previous one, town - meat's started to put in some real effort to do the same, his body of work prior to today is suspect but he's still doing more to find mafia than the rest of the people to be listed - dfs's posting is sparse but when he does post he's trying to make sense of the game state - ashwtini wants meat and dfs out - dravernor has no suspects or reads posted RIP So the first thing I see is that I think we have three not four people on the scumteam. dravernor is pretty obvious and is getting my vote unless some good reads get posted fast. ashwtini I think is also pretty straightforward, and ashwtini hard-pushing meat and soft-pushing dfs makes me think meat is town and dfs is scum. But... where from there? ashwtini/dravernor/dfs makes three. I think that trio makes Epishade look bad in conjunction with the n2 kill (ritoky was really solid on Epishade being scum), and of my four solid town reads above Epishade is the lowest, but I think independent of associations Epishade looks good. Maybe ashwtini is busing both teammates? That actually does fit the profile of this mafia; when all the drivers are clear town, the passengers are usually scum, and passive mafia tend to bus for temporary town credit rather than attempt to shield teammates from lynches by pushing other lynches. In that case it's meat AND dfs, but then meat is busing all three of his teammates in his last post... ...while voting for the leftover townie. Actually, this theory makes some sense. But it's the only plausible 4-man team I can see, so if we can rule it out then we know we have a mislynch left and we're a lot better able to think strategically about the lynch. Someone tell me why it can't be meat/ahs/dravernor/dfs here, I want to be convinced and it'd take a lot of busing to be true but if we're at LYLO that's not really a point against it. | ||
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Eden1892
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Disregard the above, need to rethink | ||
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- Eden town - tambo town, un-cc'd vig, granted that he hasn't proven it by his own actions yet but I'm comfortable letting it stand nonetheless because I don't think he's mafia - bunnies town, consistently been trying to figure things out from the beginning - Epishade is trying to figure things out and has been the whole phase and going back to the previous one, town - meat's started to put in some real effort to do the same, his body of work prior to today is suspect but he's still doing more to find mafia than the rest of the people to be listed - dfs's posting is sparse but when he does post he's trying to make sense of the game state - ashwtini wants meat and dfs out - dravernor has no suspects or reads posted RIP - Yell0w is top-scum-reading me but won't make an effort to make a case on me, says his top scum read is just a gut feeling -- that's code for "not having a scum read" in my book That makes a lot more sense to me, none of the bottom three are associating with one another in any significant way, only one of them (ashwtini) has made anything resembling a serious effort to get one of their nominal suspects lynched. Of them dravernor's got the most traction, I'll take that today. As for a possible fourth, again, ashwtini implicates dfs, but I think just those three at the bottom is most likely. I'll worry about dfs if we kill the bottom three and the game isn't over yet. ##UNVOTE ##VOTE: dravernor | ||
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Eden1892
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On May 08 2014 03:56 Yell0w wrote: Wait, what? You think me, dravernor and ahs are all mafia? Didn't I just vote against Dravernor? It's stuff like this that makes me think you're mafia leading town astray. You pushed tamburini day 1, arguing he wasn't mafia or vigi, when maybe you did think he was vigi and wanted to kill him, then you pushed sqrt day 2, who was town. Then you voted for meat, people followed you, now your new reads don't make much sense, but it seems likely we will lynch dravernor if nobody says anything and you don't change your vote, because people follow you, I'm not sure why. So I'm going to change my vote, people can follow me or not, I think you're scum and it's the second time you put me as scum, both times right after I said I thought you were suspicious, and then when I say I think you're town, you think I'm town too, now THAT's suspicious. ##UNVOTE ##Vote: Eden1892 So what if you did? All that does for me is increase my suspicion that we're at LYLO. If you are mafia, you killing a teammate doesn't bring you any closer to defeat; you still only need to force one mislynch. If that's a case against me in the first paragraph, I don't understand it. Sounds like you're saying that because I've been trying to get my scum (or in d1 tambo's case anti-town) reads lynched, I'm mafia. Which doesn't make sense at all. The second paragraph is hella amusing because I was on you before you did anything of note against me d1 and I forgot about you in my initial list of reads from today. If there's one thing that doesn't point to it's "I care about what Yell0w thinks about me." And then in the same post where you vote for me after I call you suspicious, when previously you said it wasn't worth going after me today, you say that I'm suspicious because I'm reacting to you. If anyone's reacting to anyone else here, you're reacting to me. Yell0w is obviously mafia here y'all, I think I've got our scumteam with dravernor/ashwtini/Yell0w. He's clearly alarmed by the fact that I went from not seriously calling attention to any of them on d2 and thus far in d3 to coming out against all three of them, which is informing his change of heart from "Eden is maybe suspicious but not really worth my time" to "die die die die die." | ||
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On May 08 2014 04:41 ahswtini wrote: Mafia yellow makes no sense, why wouldn't they roleblock mtamburini again to keep yellow alive, instead of throwing it seemingly randomly at meat? If you're going to say yellow is mafia, you should throw mtamburini in there too because although ridiculous, that's the only scenario that makes sense. The fact that you've got two people who I'm sure are town in your list means you're either completely on the wrong track, or you're pushing hard for a mislynch. I assume they read meat as a power role. I don't know why they did, I don't see it and I think roleblocking meat gave someone who potentially could have been mislynched credibility (see bunnies' insistence on not killing meat today). But that's the only reason meat would get roleblocked in the first place, so it stands to reason that they feared meat's hypothetical role more than tambo's actual role. Maybe they thought tambo was going to shoot someone besides Yell0w? He didn't give any indication that he was shooting Yell0w that night. I don't understand your last comment though. Presumably you're one of the two people you're sure are town. If the other is Yell0w, which your post implies, why are you saying I'm pushing for a mislynch when I'm voting for dravernor? | ||
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On May 08 2014 05:04 Yell0w wrote: So that clearly doesn't make sense, it definitely puts me further from victory, why wouldn't I just take the easy win and lynch meat when he already had 3 votes if I'm mafia with drav and ahs? You've been actively leading town in the wrong direction, because you've been only targeting towns. I don't see how that doesn't make you suspicious. No, you didn't say anything against me at the beginning when bunnies was on me, then I said I thought you were the most suspicious and then you arrive and make a huge case against me, you're clearly remembering wrong. And the argument isn't that you care what I think about you, it's that you care what people in general think about you and you just want to lynch them for thinking you're suspicious, which isn't at all what you should be doing if you're town, but it is exactly what you should do as mafia. And yes I'm reacting to you acting scummy, what's wrong with that? You say this and yet, with the deciding vote in your hand now, you sit on a third party. That speaks volumes about your actual intentions. You put a vote down for dravernor earlier when it didn't matter, leaving yourself an out to vote for me if the tide started to turn. Sure enough, as it does start to turn, you move onto me. Why are you so indecisive about killing dravernor now? How do you know I've only been targeting towns? How do you know dravernor's alignment, or meat's or tambo's? I've only spearheaded one mislynch (sqrt) and I made a case very openly for it. Where were you that day? Oh right, camping on tambo, whose towniness you've apparently accepted so thoroughly that now my pushing on him day 1 is a point against me. I've made all my cases very clear this game. You're playing like a complete coward: hiding on outliers, refusing to make your vote count, not spelling out your reasoning, and then sniping today like an archer in a tower, deriding people for guessing wrong while being too afraid to even answer the question yourself. I'm not afraid of being wrong -- it's unfortunate and we'd all rather be right, but especially in a game where you start out in a state of ignorance, failure is the first step toward eventual success. Why are you so afraid of being wrong? Where am I trying to lynch people who are suspicious of me? sqrt yes, but if you look at my actual case (do this, btw; you clearly haven't) it has nothing to do with his interaction on me. tambo, who was townreading me? dravernor, who's townreading me? Or look at the nightkills. Amiko townread me by the end of n1. ritoky was strong townreading me. The people who are dying are by and large people who are townreading me, and here you come out of the woodwork at LYLO with this weak case against me, and we're supposed to believe that I'm the mafia setting you up instead of the reverse? Please. | ||
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On May 08 2014 05:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote: yellow, eden is just confused town.. dfs epi ahs drav are all mafia, i guarentee it. DFS or epi is the role blocker for mafia, i'm leaning very heavily towards dfs, but epi is probably to. Drav is just gonna come up plain mafia I don't think he is, but as long as we're killing dravernor today I'll leave burying him for tomorrow. | ||
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On May 08 2014 05:49 Yell0w wrote: @Eden The person I think is the most scummy voted against both of those people today, that's you by the way, so yes I'm going to vote for a third party because I don't want to lynch a town like you do. There was sqrt, there was me, everyone seems to think tamburini is town, that's three town targeted by you, it's starting to be a pattern. And I think I've been vocal about you being scummy, so you say I'm mafia, sqrt and epishade are others who thought you were suspicious and you said they were both scummy, that's another pattern. But yes you found yourself in a very good situation where you didn't have to kill people who thought you were scummy, because most people thought you were town. Instead of dodging my question with a spin suited for a washing machine how about you answer it and tell me why you're not voting your scumread dravernor when there's a tie for the lead? | ||
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Eden1892
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On May 08 2014 06:06 Yell0w wrote: Well, okay, since clearly nobody is going to vote with me on Eden, I'd be more willing to lynch dfs than meat or dravernor, so I'm gonna vote for him, and maybe since others think he's suspicious we can get the ball rolling. ##Unvote ##Vote: dfs @Eden I answered your question, you're mafia, you want to kill town, you lead a vote against dravernor, therefore she's town, how do you not understand that is beyond me. If any of you leave dravernor to vote with this clear scum I will end you. Don't fall for this. Yell0w/ahswtini/dravernor scumteam for sure. | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:13 Yell0w wrote: Well thanks for making it clear that you and dfs are both mafia. Says the guy trying to do everything in his power to deflect from dravernor! Please. You didn't even make a case for dfs! You're just sheeping people's prior suspicions of him. Fuck that, you're mafia, dfs is town, dravernor's mafia, this is obvious and I swear to god if we don't lynch dravernor today heads are gonna roll. | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:26 Yell0w wrote: That doesn't make sense, how is me defending someone I think isn't mafia indicative that I'm mafia? You didn't say anything against me except that I think you're scum and that I'm defending dravernor, that is your case against me. And if I was doing everything I could do protect dravernor, why didn't I just vote meat? And now you defend dfs hardcore, but I'm the mafia for defending somebody. I have no idea how people can't see you're mafia, what you're saying is making no sense, yet you're sticking with it. I think literally the exact same thing about you, I can't make any sense of what you're trying to say that isn't scum-motivated. You keep interpreting selective parts about my play to be a reaction to you without context, when in context it's obviously got nothing to do with you, then you accuse me of being scum because my actions are in reaction to yours, then you spend the rest of the day dutifully moving your vote with no common thread except "Eden isn't voting for/suspecting him." You obviously suspect me the most, why aren't you even trying to make a coherent case against me? Why instead are you fishing for anyone I'm not suspecting/voting for that others will also vote for? That's not how you find mafia, that's how you mislynch people. Where is your case against dfs? Why didn't you make the case after I called you out for not making one? Why aren't you actually trying to persuade people to vote for dfs? | ||
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On May 08 2014 06:54 Yell0w wrote: And clearly you are bad at reading people since you made 4 votes, 3 of them were town and one is yet to be determined. Though you might be mafia and you're actually really good at reading people, if so I apologize. Fuck this so much, if he doesn't get vig'd tonight (and he SHOULD) then I'm bringing him down tomorrow. Zero tolerance for people who sit in the back and snipe at those who are trying to get shit done while refusing to try to get shit done themselves. | ||
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On May 08 2014 07:02 mtamburini wrote: Lack of effort by me to im disappointed in myself. DIDNT EVEN GET TOO SHOOT MY GUN Shoot Yell0w tonight | ||
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