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On April 09 2014 18:26 geript wrote: It's ok. Despite being heterosexual he's quiet afraid of the opposite sex. Marv's the same way but heterosexually challenged; he thinks they have cooties still. SO much wat | ||
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On April 09 2014 20:08 Promethelax wrote: Kush is bad with girls. Marv is bad with girls but also a homosexual so it is acceptable for him to be bad with girls, I thought it was pretty clear. Ok, so heterosexually challenged is the new political correct word for gay? We don't learn for mafia we learn for life. Also huge lol at dat sentinel post. | ||
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Hope we both roll town Koshiboy :> (Not asking to be town, I still need to hone my mafia skillz and now I got 2 weeks lotsa time) | ||
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Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw) Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile | ||
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Any preferences? Which ones you disagree with? Why so unspecific? | ||
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On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote: lets lynch mderg You clearly find that post "funny", I suppose cause it's so inconclusive and achieves absolutely nothing saying a lot of stuff which is my opinion about it, why not dig for more and go straight only for mderg? | ||
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On April 17 2014 04:50 OneThousandWords wrote: Why do I have to be specific? You replaced a player who has said nothing but spam in the thread so I'd like to know why you think what you do so I can see if what you think aligns with what has happened so far, rather than it being a random list of names with no factual basis. Yeah but you got to have scumreads, right? Townreads? You see the post with my current conclusions about the game and prefer to see me talking about anything I want rather than adjusting your request to your own preferences. Why is that? | ||
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On April 17 2014 05:05 mderg wrote: I´d like to know the reasoning for Cav, thrawn and OTW. To me Cav is null, thrawn is slightly scummy and OTW seems like town. Nice, that's the reaction I expected from a townie. You get townie points. I found the reaction Cav displayed towards OTW townie: I have three posts and you're scumreading me off them. That doesn't make any sense. I'd actually argue, but you have no real information to determine my alignment one way or the other. (Though, in all fairness, I have been somewhat inactive.) It's firm, it's not apologetic, it's reasonable, aligns with my thoughts. When I see a dude not posting much about the game, I'd rather ask him about something ("Hey read this dude and tell me plz") and not simply point to him as possible scum cause he's not done much. Solving the game also involves finding townies, not only pointing to possible scum based on little things. That is what scum does, which is also the reason I'm suspicious of OTW, looking over his posts I see quite the reluctance to clear people. Additionally he simply asked me about my list of reads and said "Elaborate", that could easily display a lack of his own opinions. Ad thrawn: He's lurky as scum. Here he seems reasnably active and calls stuff out he finds scummy, while at the same time doing some simple conversation about other stuff without trying to look tryhard. There are also things that bug me however and it's the fact that he is kinda focusing on little things rather than the overall picture (on kush and mderg, but I can't tell if it's simply his own way of finding scum) , and the thing with FT's post he simply skipped over, explanation pending. I'd actually rather put thrawn as a townread in parentheses for now. | ||
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On April 17 2014 05:44 mderg wrote: Because he´s pretty much all over the place and every read is has a basis, not that I agree with everything he said. In general this doesn´t seem scummy to me but rather something a town player would do. Can you specify what you agree and disagree with? | ||
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PoE AND posts like this: On April 16 2014 03:46 ObviousOne wrote: I wouldn't say that his activity is the only way to read him and it's subjective anyhow, I basically caught him through POE and that was the best reason I could come up with in Toy Story, he exhibited both behaviors there so I'm going to use the guideline until it no longer works (i.e. he steps up and plays the game). He's a policy lynch because I have no idea what the fuck he is saying 99% of the time. He seems to have the goal of being unreadable in every game he plays and that puts him in my "ok to policy lynch" group because I'd hate to lose to him (again, lol). re: thrawn, how would you suggest I eliminate people from the lynch based on their behavior if not on some basic first post instinct when the game is like 20 minutes in? I've opened lines of communication when in the past things have been not so great between us, unless I recall incorrectly. The last game we played together I wanted to lynch him and he ended up being town, so I'm trying a new approach so I don't immediately put him in a category labeled "people I want to lynch because I hate" Gotta re-read after I get some coffee in me. Only other thought I had for the moment is I didn't immediately want to lynch Koshi which is standing out to me. I think he's more actively participating (rather than posting for what looks like the sake of posting) than in other games I've read/played with him in them. Maybe that's some kind of themed-level-Koshi and I haven't seen a normal ass game Koshi in recent memory? Let's split this into three text blocks. First block is a huge answer about Kaslam. That's ok, that's not my beef, kush asked you a question. The second block is defensive in my opinion. What is your intention here since according to kush you townread thrawn? Btw point me to what you're replying cause thrawn didn't even ask you anything O_o (I don't think I've missed such a thing while looking for it). The third block is meh. Says something semi-conclusive, ends up with a question to yourself. You still got trouble getting a conclusion about Koshi? On April 17 2014 06:00 mderg wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote: Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. I don´t agree with this case on Djagulingu. It´s purely based on Djagu´s self meta which I think is always difficult to base a case on. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 07:23 OneThousandWords wrote: I also find it odd how Cavalinho has chosen to respond to posts in the thread. His chose his first posts of the game to say hi and that he isn't going to comment on anything because nothing has happened. I find this in and of itself strange. When people first start the game they usually start to converse with people or even talk about policy, however, Cavalinho decided not to have any part of the conversation whatsoever. Now, understandably we do not know the circumstances and I'd like to hear more from him but then he returns to the thread after quite some time to post, well, nothing. His only real post is a post to jump on discrediting OmniEulogy (whether justly or not). I find this an odd behavioural tidbit because IMO this is not a townies mindset. I agree with this case on cav + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 23:54 OneThousandWords wrote: This is categorically false. Where do I state that I don't believe he could be vig? Also, I've seen the word smurf thrown around. If it's used in the same way as MOBA games then you're wrong, I was invited here by a friend from another mafia site. Here is wherein the real problem lies. All the people that you seemingly "like" for things that they have done have quite simply started from posts that I have made. Thrawn's main contributions this game: This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because: A) It lets people appear to be contributing. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game! I've mentioned Mderg before. Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote: same for me. becasue of this post He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote: 100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him. He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam). He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's: I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy. Thrawn's view is. This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not! In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening. ##Vote Thrawn2112 Here I agree on the part about thrawns first contribution being the case on me is scummy. I don´t think thrawn was sheeping OTW, though. If you agree with his case on Cava why does he stay null for you when you ask me about the reads? Be honest, did you just go look for OTW's cases when I asked you? | ||
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OO can you look at my list of reads and pick the ones you disagree with? | ||
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On April 17 2014 06:57 OneThousandWords wrote: Oh, I won't be around for deadline, is anyone around? I'd like to talk about things so that we can get an idea of who to lynch because Kush is not a good lynch. Yeah, I think you could be scum cause you post cases left and right but don't seem to have a bigger picture of the game, ie you post a lot of points about people being scum but don't seem to want to clear people. So tell me, who are your townreads? | ||
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On April 17 2014 06:59 Koshi wrote: I am looking at those 5 possible scummers and I can't say you are completely crazy so I am going to believe you. Alakaslam hopefully didn't replace out as scum again... Are you planning on pushing a target today? Why is Kush not scum? I don't see it. Kush is scummy as scum btw. I just played against Kush as scum, I'm kinda confident I found out about how he plays scum. Specifically, the way he pushes his reads. He tends to attach onto cases on townies, add some of his own points and show extraordinary confidence about his fake reads while doing very little besides that, I didn't see that pattern yet in this game. | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:09 OneThousandWords wrote: If you think this you are not reading anything I say at all. Please, just your current townreads besides the one on the vigi claim. I don't want a shitfight you're attempting to start. | ||
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Cav I explained, Djag is cause his initial posts are "fuck yeah, I'm town, let's fuck scum" with hints of some sort of roleplay and his posts about weird traps for scum. Stuff like that is usually hard for scum to make up. @ Koshi I'd like OE to explain the last bit with kush, thrawn and the blending in. That reeks a bit like bullshit reasoning. As for who to vote, I need to talk more to reach a more definite conclusion, if you gotta sleep, vote for who you feel is scum I guess. | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:33 OneThousandWords wrote: What do you mean a shit fight? You've accused me of being scum and don't expect a retort? I've only been pointing out things that seem suspicious or scummy to me and drawing attention to them and trying to discuss them with people. It's people like koshi that completely shut them down with the reason "i'm not going to read anything about my town reads". I don't have many town reads really just the people that have interacted like I think a towny would: Kush, Cav to an extent (although I'm slightly aprehensive), I also like Omni despite what people have said (he's posted what he's been thinking and no sane scum would try and call a claimed vig scum IMO) Do you think Koshi is scummy for skipping over your points about his townreads? Do you think that what Omni has been thinking in the post Koshi brought up looks particularly townie? What are your reasons for townreading Cav and Kush? | ||
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Idk lol. It's confusing. I don't get what he's trying to accomplish by bringing up all those points about you. I actually don't know if he wants to paint you in a better or worse light, and why it's relevant in his reply to Djago since he doesn't show any signs of having a scumread on you afterwards. I would like to hear OE's intentions behind this post. | ||
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On April 17 2014 07:56 OneThousandWords wrote: I've already said no, I was invited here by a friend to play. How's the weather on the barbados? Rainy with chance of turtles? | ||
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1. How do you conclusively gain from those posts that OE must be scum before confronting him with it? Frankly I would want to hear that first. 2. OTW just called you scummy for ignoring his counter-case on your scumread. What was the reason for that and do you think that's a valid reason for calling you scum? | ||
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I could roll with an Omni lynch unless he pops in here and shines townie when clarifying the intent behind those posts, but OTW somewhat still rubs me the wrong way with his answers. I don't even know why I my opinion on that post is a condition to you giving yours, it's like I have to pull the stuff out of your mouth cause you're angry or something. Or do you have a scumread on me or what is wrong with you? Can't you just answer a question like a normal human being? | ||
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On April 17 2014 08:30 OneThousandWords wrote: A player specifically asks another player for a read on a post, that player in question then asks ME for that read rather than responding himself. Do you not see how silly that would be for me to do? What if the player in question was trying to form a read based on your response, I've posted a lot in the thread while you have not so why would I not want to let myself and others hear responses from you? I posted my opinion. It looks confusing and doesn't make much sense, ie it could be made up. Now that you got it, what gives? | ||
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On April 17 2014 08:28 kushm4sta wrote: doesn't mean i have a strong townread on him So what is it? A weak townread? Why did you say that. | ||
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On April 17 2014 09:23 OmniEulogy wrote: at no point in that case do I call Koshi scum, I tried to discredit his ridiculous thinking for sure considering everything he was doing and saying made absolutely no sense, I was also a bit irritated with him because I think I had to repeat myself for him twice at that point within a short period of time. Just because I was upset with Koshi didn't mean I thought he was scum, just that he was extremely wrong with his thought process. Which he still is but w/e As far as the Thrawn / Kush thing goes, I meant Kush and the other lurkers more or less all seemed as likely as candidates for scum and why would I vote for one of four people when Thrawn stood out to me? I explained it earlier. I'd rather lynch somebody I think is scum as opposed to one of multiple people who are just scummy. At the time Thrawn's contributions were literally asking for a policy lynch and voting for a lurker who had said he had no time to play that day. Who did you think was scum at the time? Djago, right? Cause it's odd you spend time writing all that stuff to discredit Koshi when in fact you said before that another dude was scum. That's why I specifically asked you about your intentions. What I see lacking in that post is the intention to either push or find out more about your scumread. I don't know which townie talks to his scumread (Djago) about something and then proceeds to post multiple points about somebody trying to discredit him even though he doesn't think he's scum. Usually you would only do that when you feel very much like some guy is dangerous to you. That's a rather scummy mindset. Thrawn (and anyone else), do you disagree with this? - Not figuring out Djago and instead - discredit a not-scumread cause - he felt cornered by Koshi Conclusion: Scum I initially wasn't even sure what he was trying to achieve with Koshi cause apparently a lot of his remarks on his posts were sarcastic. I'll leave my vote on him unless I discover something better, but I doubt it. ##Vote OmniEulogy On April 17 2014 10:07 FirmTofu wrote: Another interesting observation: Vivax has been ignoring me this entire game. Not responding to my questions and not commenting on me at all, aside from the "lmao" post from thrawn. @Vivax Why must you ignore me so? PoE mostly and the posts or playstyle which didn't make me add them to the townie list. Also posted some stuff on OTW previously, I think you missed that cause it would answer half of your question. As for the other half, OmniEulogy, my conclusion is right above this post. You're encouraged to post your opinion, especially since you're not cleared in my book and the "Oh look Vivax is ignoring me, hmmm, interesting" doesn't make you look much better. Do you think I could be scum? Also answer me this: The reason you think OTW could be scum is that his case on thrawn looks bad as far as I can gain from your filter. How do you discern if it's a bad townie making it or scum? Cause that case alone isn't enough of an argument, so how did you conclude scum? My arguments for him being possible scum were different. | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax I already said that I thought that post OE made about koshi was strange. but based on the tone of his recent posts I don't think he's mafia. his confusion seems real. He's saying he has no scumreads, do you mean that? On April 16 2014 22:30 OmniEulogy wrote: I'm awake, sorry I went to sleep at like 7pm EST last night. Quick couple of things Much less convinced of Djag scum after reading the last 7~ pages. I think Mderg lynch is a god awful idea D1, if he didn't have time he didn't have time as he's saying. (also what he has posted while I made this post, good to see him around) My scum hunting came down to the fact that there were three of us active in the thread and I did push Djag on what he had done up to that point. Admittedly mostly on a post made by OTW. Skan's vote on mderg looks pretty bad although so does Koshi's and especially thrawns. The difference of these three is that Skan has not really given reads on the people he changes his votes for. Thrawn contributed very little (suggesting a policy lynch on slam) before targeting mderg for inactivity which may or may not be due to time constraints. Essentially Thrawn calls me out, votes for mderg, questions Djag about his scum reads changing, goes after OTW, back to calling me scummy, and finally goes to Kush when nothing has changed for mderg. To me Thrawn it seems like you go for the people who would be easy to lynch so you have a place to put your vote. On top of that it seems like you don't really care who we lynch based on how you picked your targets. The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game. He thought at some point, that your actions make you scummy. Now I ask you, how do you think the mafia would react if a guy they previously called out is opposed to their lynch? Would they still call him scum? | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:32 OmniEulogy wrote: All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there. If you were town you would have to have some suspects. Why aren't you mentioning thrawn after your previous points on him if not cause he's defending you right now? Also what do you mean by figured out? You mean you were so sure he was scum and he became townie to you cause of his later posts? If so, you should be able to elaborate on the posts that changed your mind and the reasons for it. If so, you should have found out more stuff about Djag, asked him stuff. All I can see is that you blamed him for saying he never played scum and the meta thingy. | ||
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Still, I think that cause of his post on Koshi and Djag he's a better lynch than any of the other possible scummers :/ , but I could also lynch FT for that big but void post thrawn lold about. | ||
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On April 17 2014 10:33 FirmTofu wrote: Not really considering you as scum just yet. I just wanted to hear from you. I like this case on OE. I think OTW is scummy for a variety of different, small reasons. His attitude has been generally defensive, his responses to your questions were less than impressive, and his vote on me is pure OMGUS. I don't have a case on him yet, persay, but I wouldn't mind lynching him, that much is certain. Actually I thought his answers to me made him look a little better cause he wasn't afraid of pissing me off which is something I wouldn't expect from newb scum (if he is who he claims to be which I'm not sure if I should believe), my main concern though is the way he pushed people early in the game. It looked like plain scum aggressiveness, not figuring out people. Hence why I was suspicious of his lack of townreads. I could lynch him too. Hell, I could lynch everybody I said I would lynch initially except for the german dude cause of the way he replied to me. | ||
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On April 17 2014 11:19 thrawn2112 wrote: yeah ok. there's been enough times in the last couple hours where FT has posted somethin that makes me think he's town for be to be willing to unvote him Thrawn, now I got two issues with your play. One, you defend lynch candidates, you don't push scumreads. This is the worst possible play at deadline. We need a lynch, we need a lynch with at least some reasoning, you don't present such a thing. Two, you keep asking people stuff about your townreads instead of simply putting aside that discussion by saying WHY we shouldn't vote for them today. Unless you want to vote for the guy who is going to be modkilled and thus basically force a no-lynch, crank out a case on somebody you think is scum. Next issue is this Cava wagon. I said why I think he's town. Now all those people I find scummy or not supertownie start a wagon on him, you put coals into the fire. THERE IS NO PROPER CASE ON CAVALINHO. HELLO? ALARM BELLS? WHERE IS THIS LYNCH HEADING TO? The only "case" I've seen so far is Kush's case based on a case construction meta argument. Cavalinho didn't even respond to any accusations. Those are the best lynches, the lynches where the lynchee isn't even present. The best lynches for scum to push. This wagon stinks. On April 17 2014 11:10 FirmTofu wrote: I'm going to move my vote to Cava. I think we need to be looking into him further. OE, if you continue to ignore me, I'll leave my vote on you. ##Vote: Cavalinho Look at this. This is the reasoning some individuals are using to get onto his wagon. "I'm going to vote this dude, I think we should look at him". Is that an argument for Cava being scum? Why did OE even bring up the tidbit with me being scum cause I'm a replacement. Why does he even imply I would justify a mislynch later when we're not even that far. Why does he say i play like scum but I'm not his scumread. Lots of stuff going wrong right now and I don't even know where to start but the thing I can tell is that I'm suspicious of thrawn right now and FT and OE both ride the Cava wagon while at the same time calling each other as secondary scumreads. Now I want either FT or OE lynched for sure. | ||
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Am I the only one seeing the pattern? | ||
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Welcome to the state of the game. | ||
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On April 17 2014 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax please explain how turning my scumreads into townreads as the lynch deadline approaches is a scum agenda. that's the dumbest thing that's been posted in the thread so far Only if they are both town, which you either can't know or they simply aren't. | ||
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On April 17 2014 12:11 kushm4sta wrote: vivax you can pressure thrawn after the lynch if you want. Do you disagree strongly with this cava lynch? why who should we be lynching instead? why I disagree cause I trust my own townread and most importantly I'm reluctant to lynch guys who didn't get a chance to defend themselves first, and who are pushed by scummy people with no arguments, close to deadline, who have each other as secondary scumreads just cause of a coincidence, and basically say "Hey dude if you don't do x I will vote for you". Lynch OE or FT. And when we're done with them we kick thrawn's ass. | ||
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On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote: Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere. I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players. ##Vote FirmTofu Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well. Question 2: The point he makes about kush is actually quite valid if the representation is correct. On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote: Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg. Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer. On April 17 2014 03:37 Cavalinho wrote: From my point of view, it looks like that's what it boils down to. If there are more reasons, tell me what they are, because I don't see it. Also, what's up with my handle? >.> On April 17 2014 03:50 Cavalinho wrote: 1) It's not because he answered a question thoroughly. He didn't answer it thoroughly. He made a post that looked like he was doing analysis which boiled down to an analysis with no definitive conclusion. 2) His filter is less than a page long. He doesn't answer my questions and doesn't really respond to/deny accusations. It's possible he's genuinely afk, but I'm going to keep my vote on him until he convinces me otherwise. 3) Newbie games and regular games are two completely different things. Just because my reads aren't as elaborate as they were, that doesn't mean my reads were necessarily better then. The key difference is that I was outing my reads as a whole, rather than just scumreads. 4) You act like I was supposed to ignore mderg so I would look scummy, and then I admit I have a scumread on him too. This makes me scummy...How, exactly? I don't understand your logic. 1) His thoughts on FT: My thoughts 2) One more reason for his FT read. 3) He disarms the meta argument with something that sounds reasonable. 4) Here kush says he's scum for admitting to having a scumread on mberg when asked. How is that scummy? You guys don't even look at his defense, don't even reply to it. This wagon stinks of scum. And FT says "we should look into him" LOL. Still waiting on that miracle. | ||
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On April 17 2014 12:44 FirmTofu wrote: I'm more interested in Vivax rushing to a last minute defense of Cava. I'm more interested into you looking at him which you didn't do after your vote. It couldn't possibly be more half-assed than that. | ||
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On April 17 2014 13:01 OmniEulogy wrote: it's cute how you continue to look down on people and be hypocritical  Hypocritical? Cause I get the credz once he does? Thx for the information scum. | ||
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Sorry tofu  , hope you stick around. | ||
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I want to know from Skanja why he fakeclaimed vig cause I can't fathom the townie motivation behind that lie. Next, I want you guys to tell me your thoughts about those posts by OO, and if you see what I see: + Show Spoiler + On April 16 2014 03:46 ObviousOne wrote: I wouldn't say that his activity is the only way to read him and it's subjective anyhow, I basically caught him through POE and that was the best reason I could come up with in Toy Story, he exhibited both behaviors there so I'm going to use the guideline until it no longer works (i.e. he steps up and plays the game). He's a policy lynch because I have no idea what the fuck he is saying 99% of the time. He seems to have the goal of being unreadable in every game he plays and that puts him in my "ok to policy lynch" group because I'd hate to lose to him (again, lol). re: thrawn, how would you suggest I eliminate people from the lynch based on their behavior if not on some basic first post instinct when the game is like 20 minutes in? I've opened lines of communication when in the past things have been not so great between us, unless I recall incorrectly. The last game we played together I wanted to lynch him and he ended up being town, so I'm trying a new approach so I don't immediately put him in a category labeled "people I want to lynch because I hate" Gotta re-read after I get some coffee in me. Only other thought I had for the moment is I didn't immediately want to lynch Koshi which is standing out to me. I think he's more actively participating (rather than posting for what looks like the sake of posting) than in other games I've read/played with him in them. Maybe that's some kind of themed-level-Koshi and I haven't seen a normal ass game Koshi in recent memory? On April 16 2014 14:22 ObviousOne wrote: -snipped- @mderg - not a single thing he's written comes to mind, so I go look and remember he had a single post. Pretty insightful post, if his claim to not having much time is true. One-liners are a part of the current meta-game so you're going to have to deal with it. Have you come up with any scum reads yet? On April 17 2014 05:36 ObviousOne wrote: Any potential vigilante situation is self-solving. Either a shot is called and made, called a missed, not called and claimed later, or never called but the vigilante dies. Giving any amount of effort towards discussing how much you do or don't believe it and arguing about it or using it to defend someone before any of those events happen is ridiculous. So to say it another way; having a read on a player solely for their power claim is ridiculous because we know that mafia can fake claim, we know that a power role who claims early can get their role blocked, they can be simply shot, and other corner cases where it leads into some kind of big play (which I would discount but in the interests of trying to be thorough I add it here). So if he's actually blue then you pushing for his lynch is pointless endeavour for anyone thinking with a town mindset. With so few potential power roles in a normal game (something you may not be aware of). You can just accept for one day that he's got something useful to contribute outside of his lack of conversational contribution and focus on real lynch candidate possibilities instead until it can be established he's lying or he is caught in a sure-fire situation where he knows something that he shouldn't. That is why I think your vote is wasted and you've given him the possibility of being town for his role but you refuse to accept what that means for the overarching scheme of the game when you pursue him as a potential lynch candidate. On April 17 2014 06:19 mderg wrote: Doesn´t change the fact that Skan looks scummy to me but it definitely speaks against lynching him on day 1. ##vote: FirmTofu Because his analysis on Skan and Djagu doesn´t say anything and I think his case on OTW is bad. I especially don´t like this post: In this post he gives OTW´s case some credit. Before this post he said that the case was awful. This change of his opinion contradicts the vote on OTW right after the post. On April 17 2014 07:31 ObviousOne wrote: I don't really know who I would vote for if not mderg. I think kush is probably town, but fuck me if I could prove it without a doubt. I keep conflating djag and cav in my mind for some reason. Djag seems to have been all gung-ho about playing super townie but spent half the day discussing that concept in various ways somehow. Seems to be a theme for his game. I'm really not sure what he's thinking lol. He has it out for Cav. Cav is also on the mderg-probably-town boat with you but he's played the filter length card against FT when his own filter is less than a page as well. Which is hilarious and stuff but by his own reasons for calling FT scum he is scum to himself. Not very fleshed out reasons for why FT is scum plus a short filter. | ||
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On April 19 2014 04:38 Koshi wrote: Also pls take a look at the conversation between skanjab and mrderg. He semi-calls you scummy for defending mderg, looks like the paranoia I got pre-deadline about thrawn, OE and FT, but it can also be faked. Otherwise I don't see anything of particular interest in that conversation, he responds to mderg point by point. THe conversation in itself isn't particularly alignment indicative in my opinion. What WOULD be alignment indicative is why he would fakeclaim, and I'm interested into the way he gave priorities to his D1 reads. His scumreads went like mderg -> kush -> mderg (+ koshi?) -> FT and I have yet to see what he's doing to push his reads or find out if they are right. So far he's only been the attachy type of player. Agrees with thrawn on kush and mderg, agrees on FT. Not much of his own out there. Possibly scum. | ||
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On April 19 2014 06:25 Koshi wrote: can theyboth be scum in your experience? I don't think mderg is scum, you wanted to get at something connection-y? | ||
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On April 19 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote: No I wonder if you think that conversation can be done scum/scum. At that time in the game. 50% of both their filter. It's possible. I didn't really doubt the vig claim cause I figured it would get sorted out at a later point, but if your scumbuddy knows you're fakeclaiming you might feel like putting in an early attack on the claimer for a later gain, however I'm currently comfortable believing that mderg is town. If you look at the quotes from OO you will notice that he called mderg scummy for wanting to lynch skanja at that point, mderg obliged and switched, OO didn't take that into account later and kept his vote on him, didn't deliver an own interpretation of that which is what I want him to do now and is one of the things I wanted you to notice. Also, that's the only reason he voted for mderg. Additionally, if you look at the first post you will notice how it's wall-of-text-like with very little information, I mentioned that earlier in D1. We should lynch Skanja or OO today and they both should be starting to contribute if they don't want that to happen. Still got questions open for you. Additionally, I have a question for OE: Are you the vigilante? Cause earlier you said that Skanja's claim was likely fake. | ||
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On April 19 2014 07:50 Koshi wrote: He claimed vig right before daypost. Bleh I missed that post lol | ||
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Huge post and fucking off is what I would expect from a scum giving up and since then we didn't hear anything from our german fellow. Given the current time in EU i doubt he will drop a post before the deadline. Mderg's inactivity IS scummy if OO is indeed scum which at this point is very likely. In this scenario a demoralized scum team is what we're expecting today, a scum team only doing half-assed efforts to win the game, and that also brings me to Skanja dropping a post claiming he has no time. If we analyze Skanja's fakeclaim and the subsequent reactions, imagining that his team disapproved, we can also imagine how they were angry at him and lost motivation to play the game. This would also explain the early attack from mderg on skanja when everybody was just treating that claim as unimportant. If mderg HAD the extra information, and saw skanja dicking around and playing risky, then that would explain the overall low activity, especially now that it matters, and his desire for that extensive early attack on Skanja. Most of this is connection based for the moment but we shouldn't just lean back and lynch OO without planning the next steps. | ||
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You think it's that likely that OO busses his buddy right at the start? Also you got to explain to me how you put skanja last in your list, AFTER ME. That doesn't make any fucking sense. He's a guy who fakeclaimed and doesn't play the game, whereas I'm town and playing like town like the majority already realized. That said, I'd put skanja ahead of mderg in the to-lynch list. | ||
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On April 20 2014 19:28 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax you aren't really as townie as you say you are. you haven't done much lately. No, that's the wrong measure. What I do is what makes me town or scum not what I don't do during a day where the lynch was rather obvious and people refused to discuss the other scum with me. If I were scum you would be able to find information in my filter that proves it, so go ahead and review it. While you're at it, also review kush's evolution of his read on me. It follows thread sentiment if you look at the context. U scum kush? | ||
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Additionally the way he pushed Cava reminds me of his scumplay in Dr Who where he basically got 100 % scum on one dude then started to taunt him and shit. On April 18 2014 12:38 kushm4sta wrote: scum list in case I die: cavalinho vivax oo mderg On April 18 2014 12:45 kushm4sta wrote: nvm i strongly believe that vivax is town after reviewing his filter On April 20 2014 11:15 kushm4sta wrote: i agree koshi. vivax is the scummiest player not in the PoE group (mderg, skan, oo, OTW) | ||
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On April 16 2014 23:41 kushm4sta wrote: Kochi can you chill the fuck out? I don't get why you went crazy when people started voting mberg. You have to realize this game is half noobs. If they got scum and came into the game late, it's very hard for them to look town. Mberg or ft are both very possibly scum. Kochi acting weird. Oo not looking townie. More coming within the next few hours. | ||
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On April 20 2014 20:15 thrawn2112 wrote: you ask too many leading questions. i dont like it. Sorry for trying to have some fucking CONVERSATION. Come on thrawn, stop avoiding drawing conclusions. Do you think it's normal for kush to mention that one dude is scummy who actually was scum and then 100 % lock on Cava and ignore everything else? | ||
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On April 20 2014 20:15 thrawn2112 wrote: also i am paranoid that djag died because you are pro blue hunter Wat | ||
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On April 20 2014 20:23 thrawn2112 wrote: i don't know. but he's town. Persuade me cause right now I'm seeing things that make it possible he's not. | ||
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On April 20 2014 20:26 thrawn2112 wrote: i dont even understand your accusation. you are basicalyl accusing him of making a correct read and then changing hsi mind or forgetting about it? i dont see how that's as scummy as you're making it. I want to know how his reads evolved, cause given that OO flipped scum and kush calls him out without a reason and then forgets about him to push a lynch on a townie without other questions asked, it could easily fit into the pattern of kush wanting to be right somewhere. His read on me that he constantly changes when people call me something´is what actually should motivate you to take a better look at him. | ||
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On April 20 2014 20:54 kushm4sta wrote: talk to me about it vivax. It's your turn to talk. | ||
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On April 20 2014 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: why did my read of you change? it's a little something called reading your filter and seeing all the shit you were saying. Do i remember anythign specific? no. I said OO "did not look town", That meant he wasn't doing anythign that was giving me a townread on him. I thought there was a greatly probability cav was going to flip scum. After cav, OO was the first person I wanted to lynch. What in my filter made you change my read to scum, to town and to scum again? Read it again if you don't remember. | ||
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On April 20 2014 21:31 kushm4sta wrote: I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. This doesn't make any sense and doesn't align with anything I've seen you doing in the last game where you were town. I claimed miller at the start of D1 and you went "I'll treat it as null cause Vivax has history of ballsy claims as scum". When skanja fakeclaims you see it as townie. You really gotta explain HOW in the world a dude fakeclaiming gets any town points for it, and it better be a good explanation. This game must not end up like British Empire II, or that last game on OMGUS. It's at danger of becoming another epithome of stupidity. British: Dandel trolls all game long and goes unnoticed for too long. On Omgus Alakaslam doesn't do shit all game long except jump on townie wagons and post his usual rubbish and I get lynched (by thrawn and kush) instead of him after claiming miller and we lose the game. And I was always there talking to a wall cause people just prefer to adher to a complex version of events where they end up making up by themselves why a townie is scum and a troll is town. In summary, we should lynch Skanja to not repeat the same mistake other stupid towns did, and figure out who the last scum is. And it's one of mderg or kush. If it's anyone outside of them they deserve to win. | ||
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On April 21 2014 14:52 kushm4sta wrote: all the scummy mother fuckers want to lynch skan. that is not a good sign. Sure, when the Cava lynch was averted you concluded it was scum swaying the wagon. Now that it can't fit any more as a reason to push your reads, it's scum wanting to lynch skan, a guy who you say is townie FOR his fakeclaim which is completely bogus unless you can find an explanation for him to do that as town. There's this guy not playing the game fakeclaiming cause he says he can't or doesn't want to play the game and he must be town for the fakeclaim. Try to explain how that makes sense. How do you townread Skan? What's the reason? Find it in his filter. Prove that you're not making everything up, cause that's what it looks like right now. Even your read on me which looked reasonable at glance has the weakness that your reasons for me being town far outweigh the reasons for me being scum, which are PoE, claiming you don't know my meta which is bullshit given how much we've played together, and trying hard being scummy in your eyes. | ||
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On April 21 2014 19:39 Skanjab1s wrote: From what I've read so far, everyone is just focusing on a Vivax/Me team. Who do you think would be scum if I had to flip green? You should account for this and not just focus so hard on Vivax/Me being scum that once I'm lynched you get stuck not knowing who the last scum is. You tell us we should look for the last scum while at the same time not trying to guess who it could possibly be. So, any guesses? | ||
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I pushed Dandel in british. I wanted to lynch Alakaslam for being unreadable in Toy Story, other townies actually thought I was scummy for pushing those targets who turned out to be scum, same is happening with you cause I'm pushing Skanja. This game is no different and people like you don't learn from their mistakes so I have to remind them. No, I'm not sure between Kush and mderg as the last scum. If it were so easy I would be sure, hence why we have to lynch skanja. He is by no means acting townie as you say. Kush gave him a townread cause skanja said what he wanted to hear. He perfectly and completely imitated kush and thrawn's point of view in his townread post (Kush and thrawn town, everybody else scum). The fact that he mentions a flipped guy and a claimed vig among his townreads only displays that he's writing ANYTHING to appease people and give his scumbuddy a reason to townread him. His reasons for the fakeclaim are complete bullshit: On April 22 2014 06:48 Skanjab1s wrote: I claimed vig in the hopes that I'd get nk'd, because of my impending lack of activity.It would be a terrible scum tactic to claim vig to cover up lack of activity if, when I become inactive, I don't hold onto the vig claim. The vig claim would only help then if people still thought I was the vig. I'm not sure what you mean about being defensive over everything. I wasn't defensive at all, except for when I was responding to mderg's accusations. I thought there was way more time in the day when I voted firmtofu (I actually realised that I had voted him after the deadline when thrawn said so). It was supposed to be a pressuring vote to hear more from him, but I did think he was scum, I didn't know why he would fake knowing what I'd do as scum if he hadn't seen my scumgame. The bolded is a perfect example of a bullshit reason. Why is it bullshit? Cause no matter if he claimed vig as town or scum, the effects would still be the same at this point, making his claim an advantage for a town skanja as well as a scum skanja, yet he turns it around saying that cause he has that advantage he has to be town while he wouldn't have it as scum...for what reasons??? No logic behind this post. It's another lie from a liar. | ||
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Vixax is not this bad and if he were town he'd be able to see how obviously townie kush is. No, activity is roughly the same as in Dr Who and he started to emanate the same sort of bullshit confidence he did in that game. His reasons for townreading skanja are complete bogus and he should never be that confident that skanja could be town. Nobody else is and that should raise red flags. | ||
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On April 23 2014 00:02 thrawn2112 wrote: vivax why do you think OTW is super town? Cause he reads me as town and skanja as scum. | ||
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On April 23 2014 00:42 Skanjab1s wrote: In addition to this, what I also find interesting, is that in the beginning of this, Vivax is equating me with him in the OMGUS game for our claims, where he claimed miller, and was lynched, and flipped town. And now, to stop a repeat of this happening he wants to lynch me (who fakeclaimed vig) because i'll flip...scum? That logic doesn't really add up. Okay, explain how there is an advantage of me fake-claiming vig as scum, at this point in the game. Because this is the only reason you are able to give as to why I'm scum. That doesn't sound like much of an advantage at all. Also, please explain how my logic here is bullshit? My miller claim was real. Yours was fake. On omgus I got lynched over Alakaslam,now I'm at danger at getting lynched over a liar who never was of any help to the game, who never tried to take influence over a lynch for good or for bad. Claiming vig will not get you NKd and you should know that. The only reason you would do that is to get a CC or do it yourself, fake a shot using scum KP like I did in some games, get a free pass D1 on top of everything. You say the vig fakeclaim would be terrible scum play. So, what would be different at this point between the version where you're scum and the version where you're town? How didn't the vig claim work out for you? Do nothing D1, get a chance of finding out who the vig is D1, say you hoped to get NKd when it turns out your claim was fake. | ||
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On April 23 2014 00:55 Skanjab1s wrote: It's one of OTW/mderg. And it's basically just PoE, I have strong townreads on everyone else in the game and they're the ones that I haven't had any town-feels from. What made you change your mind about your D1 read on kush? What posts. | ||
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Why didn't he simply tell us he would be busy soon? Why fakeclaim? Scum holds back roleblock N1 and if town had no vig he would have gotten away with it. It simply makes no sense to fakeclaim for such a triviality. | ||
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On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Afterwards his scumread on kush disappears, when kush and thrawn start pushing me he townreads them and scumreads everybody else cause PoE. There is only an apparent evolution of his reads D1 in his filter, zero intention to steer a lynch, jumping on the easiest wagons for the smallest reasons. | ||
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On April 23 2014 02:42 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, I thought kush was scummy for his early D1 play, then I changed my mind with his later play. You also forget that I voted for FirmTofu after he was actually lynched. I wasn't even aware that the day was close to ending, let alone that it was actually night already. But you can clearly see the progression of my read on FT. I saw him say something I thought was scummy, then questioned him on it and placed a vote on him, hoping for him to respond. That is how I progress with my scumreads. Oh jesus, it was actually the night vote. On April 17 2014 17:33 Skanjab1s wrote: But, if the only games you've played with me are on here, where I have never rolled scum, how do you know I wouldn't take a big risk like this as mafia? You say 'he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia', but you've never seen my mafia game. On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. Ok, let's put that mistake aside for a moment cause it could happen to town as well as to scum, or even could be a strategy to look as useless as possible. But if you look at the reasons you used to argue that FT is scum, it's those: - FT asks you questions - You ask if he played with you - replies no - You say he's scum cause he somehow knows your play makes you town, when he 1. said nothing of you being town and the same could be applied to anyone else besides mderg, who you said IS SCUM when he was the only guy calling you scum. Damned if I do damned if I don't. 2. Asked you questions that were most likely hinting at him not immediately buying your claim. @ Kush Why am I supertown now? Spell it out plz. | ||
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No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now. | ||
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There's just this doubt nagging at the back of my head that he's pro scum and made up that mistake on purpose but for today I'm not lynching him cause I liked our conversation. Also checking his games he never rolled scum in the 4 or 5 of them. FT so-hosted a game where skanja was town so there's that, confirmed truthful argument. And neither might I be lynching Kush IF HE EXPLAINS WHY HE SUDDENLY TOWNREADS ME. Cause in my experience scumkush doesn't townread his main scumread out of the blue, he didn't in Dr Who, but I want to know if it's serious and has a reason, cause else I'll just assume it was bullshitting. I don't like how he's skipped over me on the basis that I town read him though, that seems like a strange thing to do for someone in the dark on alignments I townread you for other reasons, but now I'm not so sure if they're valid anymore cause there's you and mderg, and maybe kush left as possible scum. That post was just a way of copying what kush did and see how thrawn reacts. Conclusion drawn: Tunneled as fuck, put on ignore. The "angry lines" were me thinking it was deadline day already. Tired gaming. He also was set on vivax being scum but then out of the blue started calling him town after posts that were in my eyes, questionable. He seems to be playing the game backwards. Now that you're at this I would like you to tell me what was questionable about my posts, and have a chat about it with kush to see why you get to different conclusions. | ||
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On April 23 2014 07:21 OmniEulogy wrote: Exactly! And to keep on that. Granted vivax was 3rd not 4th but semantics. I still haven't seen Vivax address this post at all. He's dead but it's not like you can avoid what he's said because he's gone. I don't even know what the hell the 3s and 4s are supposed to mean. At the time people I wanted to lynch were mderg and skanja and then kush flipped his read on me for the xth time when somebody else gave the same read on me. He did it again and now I want reasons...again. He's like unable to call me null or something. And Koshi somehow concluded that I had no scumreads from that, as if I already had ticked in my reads for good. | ||
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On April 23 2014 07:48 thrawn2112 wrote: i'm not sure if I understood this. but are you saying skan is town? D1 you ask a question. it gets answered post-lynch. You are scum, you don't read the game, you don't look up the flip, you just read and find the answer and call it out. No, it doesn't make sense unless he's playing the sloppy townie card as scum, which is something I can't exclude. But he definitely got townie points for that convo and paranoia comes last in my judgment. The judgment for today is: We lynch mderg, kush or OTW, and if we didn't win by then we lynch skanja. Will decide after I talked to them a bit, if kush doesn't answer my questions my vote and my wrath ends up on him for his reads on me. This is how he justified his earlier ones: On April 20 2014 21:06 kushm4sta wrote: what made me read you as town? You are very engaged, with contradicts my perception of your scum meta. You give a lot of reasons for things. You look like you are trying to figure shit out. what made me change my mind? well i'm still not 100% on you being scum, but mostly.. PoE (aka townreads on other players) your recent inappropriately try hard posts the realization that I don't know your meta that well I do not have specific examples really, because i didn't close read you filter. I merely skimmed it. I'm curious about the new. | ||
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Do you scumread kush or what else do you mean by this: kush: I kinda agree on him but my focus would be more on him just posting reads left and right the last pages, without giving any clear line of thought. | ||
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On April 19 2014 23:29 ObviousOne wrote: -snip- Kush should tweek know better about you or is he not good at reading you? He had a scum read on you probably based mostly around your first-half of d1 absence and I don't know when/if he's checking back in. Was his intent to get you lynched okay to you, or is there some backstory I'm missing where he should be able to tell by the end of the day and just never got around to changing his read? Would be helpful if he would check up on that as I mentioned above. Skan MIA means I don't know what he's thinking related to kush and between that and his fake claim he's my top lynch candidate for today. Second maybe Mderg, seems pretty blunt in his responses which seems like a "safe" way to play as saying as little as possible reveals as little as necessary. No real narrative to his filter. I think Skanja is probably town, there's the blooper where he answers to a D1 FT reply and this post by OO is worded in a way that suggests OO thinks of him as a townie when talking to kush. Speaking of that, Kush's moment of irrational confidence pushing Cavalinho N1 is another point in favour of kush being scum, and OO prefers to ask him a bunch of irrelevant, very diplomatic stuff. As for OTW, I thought he was town for effort and a couple other reasons, but by PoE he's scum, very active scum. Can't exclude that Skanja is scum 100% yet but I'm pretty confident kush is, will have time to decide definitely tomorrow after he flipped. ##Vote: Kush Now excuse me, had a long day and need to sleep. | ||
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