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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
it's a little something called reading your filter and seeing all the shit you were saying. Do i remember anythign specific? no. I said OO "did not look town", That meant he wasn't doing anythign that was giving me a townread on him. I thought there was a greatly probability cav was going to flip scum. After cav, OO was the first person I wanted to lynch. | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
On April 20 2014 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: why did my read of you change? it's a little something called reading your filter and seeing all the shit you were saying. Do i remember anythign specific? no. I said OO "did not look town", That meant he wasn't doing anythign that was giving me a townread on him. I thought there was a greatly probability cav was going to flip scum. After cav, OO was the first person I wanted to lynch. What in my filter made you change my read to scum, to town and to scum again? Read it again if you don't remember. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
You are very engaged, with contradicts my perception of your scum meta. You give a lot of reasons for things. You look like you are trying to figure shit out. what made me change my mind? well i'm still not 100% on you being scum, but mostly.. PoE (aka townreads on other players) your recent inappropriately try hard posts the realization that I don't know your meta that well I do not have specific examples really, because i didn't close read you filter. I merely skimmed it. | ||
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Vivax
22408 Posts
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On April 20 2014 21:15 Vivax wrote: That looks rather reasonableas answer, but remove me one curiosity: Why is Skanja last on your to-lynch list? Is there anything that makes you think he could be town after that fakeclaim? I think the fake claim itself leans town. I don't find his tone scummy. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
That's so sad. so fucking sad. | ||
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Koshi
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
All of us has some kind of list. Kush gave his list and Vivax his response was "Why am I 4th place on this list" Then a bit later Vivax says Kush is scum. That means that Vivax has at least another problem with Kush his list. Or is uncertain about somebody. But he only talked about himself after Kush gave his list. Anyway. Vivax scum. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On April 20 2014 18:30 Vivax wrote: Also you got to explain to me how you put skanja last in your list, AFTER ME. That doesn't make any fucking sense. He's a guy who fakeclaimed and doesn't play the game, whereas I'm town and playing like town like the majority already realized. How is this Vivax level of comprehension? Skanjab & Vivax last 2 scums. Tomorrow lynch Vivax. | ||
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OneThousandWords
Barbados123 Posts
1. thrawn2112 - Town 2. Vivax - Town 3. OmniEulogy - Vigilante 5. mderg 7. kushm4sta - Town 9. OneThousandWords - Town 11. Skanjab1s 12. Koshi - Not so Town Thrawn Been on him all game but Cavalinho being town means that the lynch between FirmTofu and Cavalinho was a town/town lynch in which case thrawn's self analysis of his thought process come lynch time was accurate and most likely leaves him as town: Thrawn's thought process is here. Vivax I did not like his entry into the game, however, now that I know the lynch on day 1 was between town and town it makes his filter look a lot better. He was very aprehensive about the Cavalinho wagon gaining steam when people were joining the wagon but not questioning it or making cases: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=37#725. This post in paticular made me say, hey, this guy is right, there hasn't been a solid case on Cavalinho but people are still voting him while saying that they need to ask him more questions. This also shows a general overarching suspicion of FirmTofu growing. He also looked at all of Cavalinho's posts in detail to point out specific points that actually made sense to people at the time and got them to switch to FirmTofu. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=39#761. I don't think mafia puts themselves out there to that extent and does that kind of research into a lynch in a town vs town scenario lynch. He has also been trying to get discussions going in the past couple of quiet days. So I have a town read on him too. mderg Mderg IMO is scummy. There isn't much stuff on his filter to go on and it seems to be like he has just been skating on through the game, mainly, he seems to have very little interaction to do with the day 1 lynch and his contribution to lynch actual scum (ObviousOne) does not exist. In fact, he voted Skanjab1s instead. His first post was contentless and summed up things that pretty much everyone had already said and then after quite some time of waiting and accusations being thrown around his second post does not really address much in the game at all and just consists of him answering randomq questions. He has weird pushes on Djagu (confirmed blue) for playing "the newbie card" but says it in a way in which it was not used (koshi? pointed this out) and then flits to trying to get the claimed vigilante lynched. In my mind I treated this guy as a confirmed vigilante, however, now that the actual vigilante has come out this puts all his accusations into incredibly suspicious territory. I've PoE'd the scum team to Skanjab1s and Mderg and I know this initially looks strange and I feel extremely aprehensive in doing so after making a connection theory with Thrawn and Cavalinho on day 1 but there is something off about the way Mder fought with Skanjab1s that just didn't seem natural. He pushes him for a long time of day 1 but then drops it altogether to lynch FirmTofu for reasons that are sheeped from other people. His interactions with ObviousOne are also very mediocre and no suspicion is raised about him. Then suddenly after having little to 0 participation in the day 1 lynch at night after everyone and their mothers starts calling ObviousOne scummy mderg says: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#956. This on it's own is not that bad BUT there was the post the NEXT DAY that does not compare with this: On April 19 2014 00:45 mderg wrote: He is a bit scummy. But there have also been some posts that put some doubts about that in my mind. After saying that he agrees that ObviousOne is scum he says he has doubts (which he didn't mention in the night) and then quickly corrects that afterwards to say he has a scum read on ObviousOne (but still never votes for him over Skanjab1s). I think Skanjab1s is truly busy and just told his team to lynch him and mderg took this to the next level and has been pushing him all game to look good for when he flips. His interactions with ObviousOne are strange and his read is not maintained through the game (in little space of time). I think mderg is scum. kushm4sta kushm4sta started the game well, instead of jumping on hate trains he instead looked at the content behind these trains and decided to discuss them, I might be a bit biased because he defended me against a koshi onslaught but nevertheless he was actually convicted in his reasonings for lynching cavalinho (even if i didn't agree with some of the points) and was one of the only people to actually bring up reasons. He was questioning his scum read all through the game and was demanding answers to get a better outlook on his reads with posts like this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=48#943 the only aprehension I have is that he PoE'd people and had a set list of people he thought was scum but then decided to add the person who was actually posting during quiet periods Vivax onto it. This didn't add up because Koshi was on his original PoE list but then he suddenly agreed with Koshi on Vivax which seemed a little odd. I still lean town on Kushm4sta though. Skanjab1s Skanjab1s is the other person that I think is scummy and yes, with Mderg. He initially claimed vigilante and that he did not have much time. This, I initially thought was towny, however, now I realise he legitimately does not have time and his activity is really low. This enabled him to have the perfect cover if he was mafia saying that "he did it to soak up actions", which was his response when I questioned him. I don't think the roleblock weighs in on his alignment though because like I initially said at the start of the game, mafia would most likely "block" a vigilante so if he was mafia he would need to feign being rb'd (sorry koshi I know you don't agree). Regardless, his filter seems very very defensive for someone who just claimed vigilante. He spends the entire time just bickering with Mderg but not in a way that looks like it comes from something natural. He just responds to points in a point by point answering fashion which is easy to do as mafia/mafia. His entire filter talks about nothing but mderg (a little of omni and kush) but then out of the blue he says this: On April 17 2014 19:18 Skanjab1s wrote: Yeah, I do. This feels like he knows that I'm town, but needed to make up a reason to believe that in the thread, so he made up some generic nonsense about what kind of player I am, when he hasn't actually seen my games. I don't know why a town FT would do this. He votes Tofu with very very little interaction, very little reasoning and then afk's until he returns on day 2 where he claims that he was roleblocked and votes ObviousOne because at this point he had to. I am pretty sure he is scum. Koshi Koshi is a wildcard and has an enormous amount of pages of filter. It's quite silly and makes it hard to read through but from what I remember/read in his filter he spends a lot of time just being aggressive in a way that he seems to be playing the game by himself. He spent a lot of day 1 not really listening to what other people had to say and just followed his own thoughts, he ignored posts that made sense as people being mafia on his town reads despite them making sense and then even started to come around to those thoughts later. He spent well over HALF of his filter arguing that an Mderg lynch was super terrible because it was a lurker lynch but then gave in and voted mderg and said he was going to afk because we are all terrible which is a super strange way to play. He then pushes me and calls me scum based on a difference of opinions on an earlier post on skanjab1's, after spending like 4 pages arguing about it he finally concedes that: On April 17 2014 01:36 Koshi wrote: OTW said something incorrect. The only point I want to make. It was no longer scummy, just the I said something incorrect!?!??! His actions with ObviousOne also don't exist and probably the main thing I'd want to address is that he tries to get the cop to check ObviousOne: On April 17 2014 20:33 Koshi wrote: This game is solved for me. Those 2 die. Make sure cop checks OO/Kush or somebody else you think is likely to be scum but unlikely to be lynched soon. Koshi also says he will check ObviousOne's meta but never does and then says that WE should check ObviousOne's meta quite some time after that but ends up voting him instead of actually checking it when consensus was pretty set. Vivax was also one of Koshi's top town reads and suddenly when it looks like scummy people like mderg or skanjab1s are getting lynched he switches to vivax being scum and tomorrow's lynch even though vivax was only one doing effort things in quiet period. Now that I've written this bit on Koshi, I'm almost less convinced about a Skanjab1s/Mderg team and now more about an Mderg/Koshi team. Mderg was defended by Koshi really hard and much yelling was done. Today Koshi is pushing a lynch onto Skanjab1s and suddenly wants to switch onto his previous top town read Vivax for little nitpicky reasons. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
So Evul You just killed Kush. | ||
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Koshi
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
That's kinda it. 2 scum left and I am scum because: "Vivax was also one of Koshi's top town reads and suddenly when it looks like scummy people like mderg or skanjab1s are getting lynched he switches to vivax being scum and tomorrow's lynch even though vivax was only one doing effort things in quiet period." | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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OneThousandWords
Barbados123 Posts
On April 21 2014 03:51 Koshi wrote: Is it me or is OTW trying to make Vivax look townie in that post? And then Kush and Myself get a little FoS for saying something bad about Vivax Nothing about association. Half of your filter is yelling at people about mderg and then accusing me about a misinterpreted post only to then say it wasn't scummy just wrong and then when i bring it up to try and squash these things you just drop all conversation. The other half of your filter just says pretty much nothing and your read on Obvious is delayed for you metaing him which you never did and then you said he wouldn't be tomorrow's lynch and a cop should check him. The remainder is accusations on your previous top town read because "he questioned me on the order of my list" and skanjab1s who is an easy person for you to push if he ends up being town. Simply put you have said a lot of things but when looked at properly they don't really say anything. | ||
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OneThousandWords
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Literally everybody. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Vivax as you know Kush in start Yourself. OO Omni Just everybody. And now you pick some targets out of that and call me scum cause I called x scum when y,z were getting heat. Or you paint it scummy that I made a deal out of the fact I said something you did was incorrect but didn't call it scummy. dafuq is up wit that? What you said was wrong and I called it scummy a shitton of times. Now you say I called it only incorrect and not scummy. | ||
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