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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:23 GMT
#626
erryone vote for FT!

-have you been ignoring him all game like I have? can you not remember anything he's done? that's because he's mafia!
-he knows my alignment, as can be seen from his posts about and in response to OTW
-OTW's above post, he's not interested in finding scum. his filter reeks of the scummy "idc about alignments" attitude
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:27 GMT
#630
On April 17 2014 09:24 kushm4sta wrote:
i remember shit he's done, thrawn. what looks scummy to me is putting his vote on OTW and peacing out. Where does he "know" your alignment?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=26#520

"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:30 GMT
#632
On April 17 2014 09:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 09:24 kushm4sta wrote:
i remember shit he's done, thrawn. what looks scummy to me is putting his vote on OTW and peacing out. Where does he "know" your alignment?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447645-normal-ass-normal-game?page=26#520



and the posts he made after that one. he wouldn't even be voting for OTW if he wasn't so good at understanding my intentions. I don't remember the game but I think you were in it, where we lynched someone because their main scumread was based on them defending someone else. scum know alignments so that's an easy case for them to make.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:31 GMT
#635
On April 17 2014 09:29 kushm4sta wrote:
i read that as townreading you rather than having extra information that you are town


the townread is too strong imo

And like I just said. "You are scum because X player is so town so your case is bad" is an easy case for scum to make.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:33 GMT
#637
Hey OE. Glad we're finally both here.

What are you thinking right at this exact moment?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:43 GMT
#641
ok.

I don't think we should lynch OE.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:45 GMT
#644
On April 17 2014 09:45 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey, I'm back.


Hello!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 00:57 GMT
#647
Who do you want to lynch? Your vote is on OTW but you just said you don;t know if you have a real scumread on him yet.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:19 GMT
#654
On April 17 2014 10:05 FirmTofu wrote:
Quick question: Thrawn, when I defended you in this post...
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:
Thrawn's main contributions this game:

On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



##Vote Thrawn2112

I'll address your points in order.
A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty?

In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it.

Did you agree with what I said? Consider the case in isolation, before I commented on it.


yeah I agree that I'm town. i dont really understand the question
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:20 GMT
#656
On April 17 2014 10:07 kushm4sta wrote:
why aren't we lynching cavalinho? why are people townreading that guy?


i'm not. i don't even have a read on him outside of him being liekly scum due to poe. i'll go read his stuff.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:22 GMT
#657
vivax I already said that I thought that post OE made about koshi was strange. but based on the tone of his recent posts I don't think he's mafia. his confusion seems real.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:33 GMT
#662
I cant read it as a third party observer because I know I'm town and I know what my motivations have been behind all those posts. So I'm already biased to townread myself. But I'll pretend I don't know that,

Do I think his case is stupid? Yes. But it's the kind of case that I'm used to seeing posted whenever I play the spammy and loose town style that I'm playing this game. I know that I jump around a lot and some people are hardwired to think that's scummy. Back when I first started playing I wouls always get mislynched because of cases like the one OTW made, people accused me of having too many targets, of opputunistic voting, of having incoherent reads and chaning my mind too often, all that kind of stuff.

The problem is that your super strong townread on me seems to be the only reason you scumread OTW. And that indicates that you're scum, making an easy case on OTW because you know that I'm town so it's easy for you to shit all over OTW's case.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:35 GMT
#664
On April 17 2014 10:29 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax I already said that I thought that post OE made about koshi was strange. but based on the tone of his recent posts I don't think he's mafia. his confusion seems real.


He's saying he has no scumreads, do you mean that?

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 22:30 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm awake, sorry I went to sleep at like 7pm EST last night.

Quick couple of things

Much less convinced of Djag scum after reading the last 7~ pages.

I think Mderg lynch is a god awful idea D1, if he didn't have time he didn't have time as he's saying. (also what he has posted while I made this post, good to see him around)

My scum hunting came down to the fact that there were three of us active in the thread and I did push Djag on what he had done up to that point. Admittedly mostly on a post made by OTW.

Skan's vote on mderg looks pretty bad although so does Koshi's and especially thrawns. The difference of these three is that Skan has not really given reads on the people he changes his votes for.

Thrawn contributed very little (suggesting a policy lynch on slam) before targeting mderg for inactivity which may or may not be due to time constraints.

Essentially Thrawn calls me out, votes for mderg, questions Djag about his scum reads changing, goes after OTW, back to calling me scummy, and finally goes to Kush when nothing has changed for mderg.

To me Thrawn it seems like you go for the people who would be easy to lynch so you have a place to put your vote. On top of that it seems like you don't really care who we lynch based on how you picked your targets.

The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game.


He thought at some point, that your actions make you scummy. Now I ask you, how do you think the mafia would react if a guy they previously called out is opposed to their lynch?

Would they still call him scum?


i dunno where you're going with this and i refuse to answer the question. you seem to be trying to lead me somewhere so just go ahead and make your point.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:37 GMT
#666
On April 17 2014 10:25 kushm4sta wrote:
My compiled cavalinho case:

Show nested quote +
On April 16 2014 14:24 Cavalinho wrote:
On April 16 2014 13:48 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 16 2014 12:56 Cavalinho wrote:
On April 16 2014 06:09 FirmTofu wrote:
Djagulingu is fairly unimpressive. His activity is commendable, but altogether useless. Most of his posts are one-liners that seek to aggravate or provoke. I see a lot of unsubstantiated accusations in his filter. He's running around trying to piss everyone off all at once without any attempt at substantive discussion. His focus on his own meta is especially interesting and reflective of an egotistical personality. For that reason, I believe his aggressive behavior in thread so far is due to a heightened sense of superiority rather than something alignment-indicative. That is to say, he'd be acting like a douche whether he was mafia or town.


Why did you make this post? It's nothing more than a wall-of-text with no real meat in it that reaches no definitive conclusion.

Because Koshi wanted me to give my thoughts on him? I wouldn't have mentioned him otherwise.


Yes, but you don't actually think anything in this post. It's just a wall of words that ultimately goes nowhere. Why would you insist on making a giant wall of nothing rather than just say "I don't have any opinion on this guy yet?"

It's as if you wanted to be seen as doing things while ultimately accomplishing nothing.


cavalinho is looking scummiest to me right now.
He is continuing to scumread FT for writing expansive thoughts on why he thinks djangulingu is null. instead of just saying null. Terrible reason for scum reading someone.

I can see why FT could be considered scummy for just writing this out of no where, but as an answer to a question, it ceases to be scummy.

Show nested quote +
Yes, but you don't actually think anything in this post. It's just a wall of words that ultimately goes nowhere. Why would you insist on making a giant wall of nothing rather than just say "I don't have any opinion on this guy yet?"

FT "doesn't actually thing anything." That is not true and it's such a scummy way to call someone scummy.

i mean looking cavalinho's reasoning for why FT is scum. He is repeating the same generic shit over and over again.

Show nested quote +
Yes, but you don't actually think anything in this post.

Show nested quote +
It's just a wall of words that ultimately goes nowhere. "

Show nested quote +
It's as if you wanted to be seen as doing things while ultimately accomplishing nothing.



plus why the fuck is cavalinho so focused on FT when mberg also opened with a post where he doesn't discuss reads at all.


plus this looks nothing like his town game here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=Cavalinho&page=2


i don't see the huge meta difference.

and I'm not convinced by your case. in fact the reasons you give for C being scum are about as dumb as the stuff C did that you are calling him scummy for. can you explain again?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:41 GMT
#669
On April 17 2014 10:38 FirmTofu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 10:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
I cant read it as a third party observer because I know I'm town and I know what my motivations have been behind all those posts. So I'm already biased to townread myself. But I'll pretend I don't know that,

Do I think his case is stupid? Yes. But it's the kind of case that I'm used to seeing posted whenever I play the spammy and loose town style that I'm playing this game. I know that I jump around a lot and some people are hardwired to think that's scummy. Back when I first started playing I wouls always get mislynched because of cases like the one OTW made, people accused me of having too many targets, of opputunistic voting, of having incoherent reads and chaning my mind too often, all that kind of stuff.

The problem is that your super strong townread on me seems to be the only reason you scumread OTW. And that indicates that you're scum, making an easy case on OTW because you know that I'm town so it's easy for you to shit all over OTW's case.

Why would scum me defend you? If I were scum, I would avoid defending people because of this exact thought process that townies generally have. Also, I wouldn't want to encourage confirmed townies. If I was scum(assuming you are town), I'd be doing my best to make sure you don't become "confirmed" town.

I also never made a case on OTW, I just voted him and discredited his case on you.


You didn't explicity defend me. In fact you never really stated that I was town. Me being town was more of an assumption you seemed to make. It's not like you were trying to stick up for me or anything, your main agenda with that post was to express that you thought OTW's case against me was scummy.

Anyways, this conversation is getting a bit repetitive, I think it'd be more useful for you to figure out who you want to lynch.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:44 GMT
#672
On April 17 2014 10:43 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 10:37 Vivax wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:32 OmniEulogy wrote:
All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there.


If you were town you would have to have some suspects. Why aren't you mentioning thrawn after your previous points on him if not cause he's defending you right now?

Also what do you mean by figured out? You mean you were so sure he was scum and he became townie to you cause of his later posts? If so, you should be able to elaborate on the posts that changed your mind and the reasons for it. If so, you should have found out more stuff about Djag, asked him stuff. All I can see is that you blamed him for saying he never played scum and the meta thingy.


Considering I've subbed in for scum before I did almost exactly what you've done so far and it was quite easy I might add.


what are you talking about?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 01:48 GMT
#676
On April 17 2014 10:47 OmniEulogy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2014 10:44 thrawn2112 wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:43 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:37 Vivax wrote:
On April 17 2014 10:32 OmniEulogy wrote:
All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there.


If you were town you would have to have some suspects. Why aren't you mentioning thrawn after your previous points on him if not cause he's defending you right now?

Also what do you mean by figured out? You mean you were so sure he was scum and he became townie to you cause of his later posts? If so, you should be able to elaborate on the posts that changed your mind and the reasons for it. If so, you should have found out more stuff about Djag, asked him stuff. All I can see is that you blamed him for saying he never played scum and the meta thingy.


Considering I've subbed in for scum before I did almost exactly what you've done so far and it was quite easy I might add.


what are you talking about?


I'm just comparing my scum game to how vivax is playing right now as a replacement and how they tend to lineup pretty well, as a response to me not thinking anybody is scum


yeah I'm asking you to explain how vivax is playing, and how you played.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 02:01 GMT
#684
kush nothing is really jumping out at me. sorry lol.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 02:04 GMT
#687
hey FT you need to give your full read on OTW.

And if you aren't convinced he's scum then you need to explain what you're thinking about doing with your vote.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
April 17 2014 02:05 GMT
#688
On April 17 2014 11:04 kushm4sta wrote:
it's fine thrawn because you will feel dumb eventually and i can gloat


I'm not townreading him. I just don't think your points are convincing.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
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