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Question 1: Why does scum add the bolded to a post when they've already explained who they want to lynch?
On April 16 2014 13:27 Cavalinho wrote:
Looking through FT's filter, I see a big post that discredits Omni without actually coming to any conclusion aside from trying to make him look bad, a long post on skab that boils down to "he claimed vig, so he's probably town," and a big post that doesn't go anywhere.
I think it's really easy to look like you're doing something in a game like this, where there's little content and big posts look good, but even a quick glance reveals that he isn't actually doing anything in his posts. The only exception is his sole townread which is needlessly long and has already been discussed by other players.
##Vote FirmTofu
Thrawn's filter is shitty too, but it's shitty in a blatant way rather than a way where he looks like he's doing something but he isn't. I'd like to hear more from him as well.
Question 2: The point he makes about kush is actually quite valid if the representation is correct.
On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote:
Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg.
Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer.
On April 17 2014 03:37 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:34 kushm4sta wrote:On April 17 2014 03:33 Cavalinho wrote:
Your whole reasoning for voting me is that I'm focusing on FT rather than mderg. Guess what? I think mderg is scummy too. I just wanted to bring FT's actions into the spotlight rather than mderg's because more people were focusing on mderg.
Also, I have a question for you kush. Why is it that you ask me a question, and when you don't receive an answer due to me not being anywhere near the thread for some time, you vote me and say that I'm just focusing on FT? That's scummy. It's like you were planning on voting me regardless of my answer. How is that my only reason for thinking you are scummy? That is one of many reasons. From my point of view, it looks like that's what it boils down to. If there are more reasons, tell me what they are, because I don't see it. Also, what's up with my handle? >.>
On April 17 2014 03:50 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 03:43 kushm4sta wrote:
my case on cavalinho outlined
1. you think FT is scummy for answering a question thoroughly, rather than just saying "im null on that guy
2 you are calling FT scummy for one very unspecific, generic reason: He is writing a lot while not doing anything, basically. And you keep saying that in different words over and over again.
3 it looks nothing like your town game, where the reasoning behind your reads are much more in depth.
4 You are scumreading FT, when what you are scum reading them for, not taking a stance, mberg does much worse. Oh you had a secret scumread on mberg, ok... 1) It's not because he answered a question thoroughly. He didn't answer it thoroughly. He made a post that looked like he was doing analysis which boiled down to an analysis with no definitive conclusion. 2) His filter is less than a page long. He doesn't answer my questions and doesn't really respond to/deny accusations. It's possible he's genuinely afk, but I'm going to keep my vote on him until he convinces me otherwise. 3) Newbie games and regular games are two completely different things. Just because my reads aren't as elaborate as they were, that doesn't mean my reads were necessarily better then. The key difference is that I was outing my reads as a whole, rather than just scumreads. 4) You act like I was supposed to ignore mderg so I would look scummy, and then I admit I have a scumread on him too. This makes me scummy...How, exactly? I don't understand your logic.
1) His thoughts on FT: My thoughts
2) One more reason for his FT read.
3) He disarms the meta argument with something that sounds reasonable.
4) Here kush says he's scum for admitting to having a scumread on mberg when asked. How is that scummy?
You guys don't even look at his defense, don't even reply to it. This wagon stinks of scum. And FT says "we should look into him" LOL. Still waiting on that miracle.
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On April 17 2014 12:44 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm more interested in Vivax rushing to a last minute defense of Cava.
I'm more interested into you looking at him which you didn't do after your vote. It couldn't possibly be more half-assed than that.
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It's cute how you two try to milk the cred before this dude flips scum.
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On April 17 2014 13:01 OmniEulogy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 13:00 Vivax wrote:
It's cute how you two try to milk the cred before this dude flips scum. it's cute how you continue to look down on people and be hypocritical 
Hypocritical? Cause I get the credz once he does? Thx for the information scum.
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I'm bad at this game and need to reread.
Sorry tofu  , hope you stick around.
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If there is a cop and you got a check, claim it now. You are one-shot, you can only benefit from claiming.
I want to know from Skanja why he fakeclaimed vig cause I can't fathom the townie motivation behind that lie.
Next, I want you guys to tell me your thoughts about those posts by OO, and if you see what I see:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 03:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 21:23 kushm4sta wrote:
Haven't read newest shit but
Oo why you want to plynch Akaka if you have no problem town reading him?
Why you gotta shit town read thrawn based on bullshit? I wouldn't say that his activity is the only way to read him and it's subjective anyhow, I basically caught him through POE and that was the best reason I could come up with in Toy Story, he exhibited both behaviors there so I'm going to use the guideline until it no longer works (i.e. he steps up and plays the game). He's a policy lynch because I have no idea what the fuck he is saying 99% of the time. He seems to have the goal of being unreadable in every game he plays and that puts him in my "ok to policy lynch" group because I'd hate to lose to him (again, lol). re: thrawn, how would you suggest I eliminate people from the lynch based on their behavior if not on some basic first post instinct when the game is like 20 minutes in? I've opened lines of communication when in the past things have been not so great between us, unless I recall incorrectly. The last game we played together I wanted to lynch him and he ended up being town, so I'm trying a new approach so I don't immediately put him in a category labeled "people I want to lynch because I hate" Gotta re-read after I get some coffee in me. Only other thought I had for the moment is I didn't immediately want to lynch Koshi which is standing out to me. I think he's more actively participating (rather than posting for what looks like the sake of posting) than in other games I've read/played with him in them. Maybe that's some kind of themed-level-Koshi and I haven't seen a normal ass game Koshi in recent memory? On April 16 2014 14:22 ObviousOne wrote:
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@mderg - not a single thing he's written comes to mind, so I go look and remember he had a single post. Pretty insightful post, if his claim to not having much time is true. One-liners are a part of the current meta-game so you're going to have to deal with it. Have you come up with any scum reads yet? On April 17 2014 05:36 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 05:15 mderg wrote:On April 17 2014 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:Kush giving me the town boner as of his return this second half. Thank fuck we have a replacement, hello vivax please explain why I am on your POE or what you didn't like about me. mderg's main, perhaps only, focus is a vig claim / scumminess of claiming a near-verifable role D1? That's... concerning, he's getting my vote for now. No reason to be pushing to lynch blue claims unless there's a cc. He's even sticking with it despite talking to others and defending his position which, with a tiny bit of critical thought should be an intractable one. ##vote: mderg@FT: Koshi reads town to me only because he's all over the place and active. I'm more familiar with his "go forth and do work for me" town-meta that I think he uses in themed games but I'm not as aware of his regular town-game meta. My distant memory from back when Titanic 1 was a thing was that his scum game was pretty focused, but I'm bad with the memory thing sometimes so if you have something contradictory that would be useful today I'd like to see that. On April 17 2014 04:32 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't like Koshi's insistence on pushing kush. Kush has a decent past few pages and his pressure of Cavalinho seems genuine.
Although Kush brings up some good points on Cavalinho, I'm not entirely convinced. Cavalinho looks like he doesn't understand that people sometimes give out null reads in order to promote discussion on a player. Fundamentally, he doesn't understand the purpose of my post: to explain to Koshi why Dja was not the appropriate use of our time in the thread.
@kush+Koshi Tell me what you think of OmniEulogy so far. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Did you even read my posts? The claim is the one thing that makes Skan look less scummy. The claim was never my focus, it was everything besides that. I´m also having a hard time understanding the rest of the paragraph about me. Would it be possible to rephrase that? Any potential vigilante situation is self-solving. Either a shot is called and made, called a missed, not called and claimed later, or never called but the vigilante dies. Giving any amount of effort towards discussing how much you do or don't believe it and arguing about it or using it to defend someone before any of those events happen is ridiculous. So to say it another way; having a read on a player solely for their power claim is ridiculous because we know that mafia can fake claim, we know that a power role who claims early can get their role blocked, they can be simply shot, and other corner cases where it leads into some kind of big play (which I would discount but in the interests of trying to be thorough I add it here). So if he's actually blue then you pushing for his lynch is pointless endeavour for anyone thinking with a town mindset. With so few potential power roles in a normal game (something you may not be aware of). You can just accept for one day that he's got something useful to contribute outside of his lack of conversational contribution and focus on real lynch candidate possibilities instead until it can be established he's lying or he is caught in a sure-fire situation where he knows something that he shouldn't.
That is why I think your vote is wasted and you've given him the possibility of being town for his role but you refuse to accept what that means for the overarching scheme of the game when you pursue him as a potential lynch candidate. On April 17 2014 06:19 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 05:36 ObviousOne wrote:On April 17 2014 05:15 mderg wrote:On April 17 2014 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:Kush giving me the town boner as of his return this second half. Thank fuck we have a replacement, hello vivax please explain why I am on your POE or what you didn't like about me. mderg's main, perhaps only, focus is a vig claim / scumminess of claiming a near-verifable role D1? That's... concerning, he's getting my vote for now. No reason to be pushing to lynch blue claims unless there's a cc. He's even sticking with it despite talking to others and defending his position which, with a tiny bit of critical thought should be an intractable one. ##vote: mderg@FT: Koshi reads town to me only because he's all over the place and active. I'm more familiar with his "go forth and do work for me" town-meta that I think he uses in themed games but I'm not as aware of his regular town-game meta. My distant memory from back when Titanic 1 was a thing was that his scum game was pretty focused, but I'm bad with the memory thing sometimes so if you have something contradictory that would be useful today I'd like to see that. On April 17 2014 04:32 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't like Koshi's insistence on pushing kush. Kush has a decent past few pages and his pressure of Cavalinho seems genuine.
Although Kush brings up some good points on Cavalinho, I'm not entirely convinced. Cavalinho looks like he doesn't understand that people sometimes give out null reads in order to promote discussion on a player. Fundamentally, he doesn't understand the purpose of my post: to explain to Koshi why Dja was not the appropriate use of our time in the thread.
@kush+Koshi Tell me what you think of OmniEulogy so far. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Did you even read my posts? The claim is the one thing that makes Skan look less scummy. The claim was never my focus, it was everything besides that. I´m also having a hard time understanding the rest of the paragraph about me. Would it be possible to rephrase that? Any potential vigilante situation is self-solving. Either a shot is called and made, called a missed, not called and claimed later, or never called but the vigilante dies. Giving any amount of effort towards discussing how much you do or don't believe it and arguing about it or using it to defend someone before any of those events happen is ridiculous. So to say it another way; having a read on a player solely for their power claim is ridiculous because we know that mafia can fake claim, we know that a power role who claims early can get their role blocked, they can be simply shot, and other corner cases where it leads into some kind of big play (which I would discount but in the interests of trying to be thorough I add it here). So if he's actually blue then you pushing for his lynch is pointless endeavour for anyone thinking with a town mindset. With so few potential power roles in a normal game (something you may not be aware of). You can just accept for one day that he's got something useful to contribute outside of his lack of conversational contribution and focus on real lynch candidate possibilities instead until it can be established he's lying or he is caught in a sure-fire situation where he knows something that he shouldn't. That is why I think your vote is wasted and you've given him the possibility of being town for his role but you refuse to accept what that means for the overarching scheme of the game when you pursue him as a potential lynch candidate. Doesn´t change the fact that Skan looks scummy to me but it definitely speaks against lynching him on day 1.
##vote: FirmTofuBecause his analysis on Skan and Djagu doesn´t say anything and I think his case on OTW is bad. I especially don´t like this post: Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 05:04 FirmTofu wrote:
@OTW
Okay, so thrawn is repeating a lot of things previously stated in thread. This is a valid point. However, I don't see this as necessarily scummy. Town players repeat points too and this is a perfectly valid one to reiterate. You'll need better points to convince me thrawn is scum.
Also, your recent responses to Vivax and I are not helping your case. In this post he gives OTW´s case some credit. Before this post he said that the case was awful. This change of his opinion contradicts the vote on OTW right after the post. On April 17 2014 07:31 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 07:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys what's up? on pg 22 right now. only thing I can really conclude from what I've read is that I think mderg is town. probably kush too I don't really know who I would vote for if not mderg. I think kush is probably town, but fuck me if I could prove it without a doubt. I keep conflating djag and cav in my mind for some reason. Djag seems to have been all gung-ho about playing super townie but spent half the day discussing that concept in various ways somehow. Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first. It was as scumslip as "100%" I don't see what you are seeing tbh. I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin. We will see. You have no idea what I'm thinking lol. Seems to be a theme for his game. I'm really not sure what he's thinking lol. He has it out for Cav. Cav is also on the mderg-probably-town boat with you but he's played the filter length card against FT when his own filter is less than a page as well. Which is hilarious and stuff but by his own reasons for calling FT scum he is scum to himself. Not very fleshed out reasons for why FT is scum plus a short filter.
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Not that you'll have to look much cause I bolded the relevant stuff to make it easier
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On April 19 2014 04:38 Koshi wrote:
Also pls take a look at the conversation between skanjab and mrderg.
He semi-calls you scummy for defending mderg, looks like the paranoia I got pre-deadline about thrawn, OE and FT, but it can also be faked.
Otherwise I don't see anything of particular interest in that conversation, he responds to mderg point by point. THe conversation in itself isn't particularly alignment indicative in my opinion.
What WOULD be alignment indicative is why he would fakeclaim, and I'm interested into the way he gave priorities to his D1 reads. His scumreads went like mderg -> kush -> mderg (+ koshi?) -> FT and I have yet to see what he's doing to push his reads or find out if they are right. So far he's only been the attachy type of player. Agrees with thrawn on kush and mderg, agrees on FT. Not much of his own out there. Possibly scum.
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On April 19 2014 06:25 Koshi wrote:
can theyboth be scum in your experience?
I don't think mderg is scum, you wanted to get at something connection-y?
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On April 19 2014 06:56 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2014 06:27 Vivax wrote:On April 19 2014 06:25 Koshi wrote:
can theyboth be scum in your experience? I don't think mderg is scum, you wanted to get at something connection-y? No I wonder if you think that conversation can be done scum/scum. At that time in the game. 50% of both their filter.
It's possible. I didn't really doubt the vig claim cause I figured it would get sorted out at a later point, but if your scumbuddy knows you're fakeclaiming you might feel like putting in an early attack on the claimer for a later gain, however I'm currently comfortable believing that mderg is town.
If you look at the quotes from OO you will notice that he called mderg scummy for wanting to lynch skanja at that point, mderg obliged and switched, OO didn't take that into account later and kept his vote on him, didn't deliver an own interpretation of that which is what I want him to do now and is one of the things I wanted you to notice. Also, that's the only reason he voted for mderg.
Additionally, if you look at the first post you will notice how it's wall-of-text-like with very little information, I mentioned that earlier in D1.
We should lynch Skanja or OO today and they both should be starting to contribute if they don't want that to happen. Still got questions open for you.
Additionally, I have a question for OE: Are you the vigilante? Cause earlier you said that Skanja's claim was likely fake.
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On April 19 2014 07:50 Koshi wrote:
He claimed vig right before daypost.
Bleh I missed that post lol
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That last post by OO just screams scum and I'm actually starting to think I could have been wrong on mderg.
Huge post and fucking off is what I would expect from a scum giving up and since then we didn't hear anything from our german fellow. Given the current time in EU i doubt he will drop a post before the deadline.
Mderg's inactivity IS scummy if OO is indeed scum which at this point is very likely. In this scenario a demoralized scum team is what we're expecting today, a scum team only doing half-assed efforts to win the game, and that also brings me to Skanja dropping a post claiming he has no time.
If we analyze Skanja's fakeclaim and the subsequent reactions, imagining that his team disapproved, we can also imagine how they were angry at him and lost motivation to play the game. This would also explain the early attack from mderg on skanja when everybody was just treating that claim as unimportant.
If mderg HAD the extra information, and saw skanja dicking around and playing risky, then that would explain the overall low activity, especially now that it matters, and his desire for that extensive early attack on Skanja.
Most of this is connection based for the moment but we shouldn't just lean back and lynch OO without planning the next steps.
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Koshi since you asked me earlier about that precise conversation, can you elaborate what it was you were seeing?
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Kush, there's one thing making me doubt that mderg might be scum and it's the fact that it's the only guy OO ever really pushed, and he started with him first iirc.
You think it's that likely that OO busses his buddy right at the start?
Also you got to explain to me how you put skanja last in your list, AFTER ME. That doesn't make any fucking sense. He's a guy who fakeclaimed and doesn't play the game, whereas I'm town and playing like town like the majority already realized.
That said, I'd put skanja ahead of mderg in the to-lynch list.
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On April 20 2014 19:28 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax you aren't really as townie as you say you are. you haven't done much lately.
No, that's the wrong measure. What I do is what makes me town or scum not what I don't do during a day where the lynch was rather obvious and people refused to discuss the other scum with me.
If I were scum you would be able to find information in my filter that proves it, so go ahead and review it.
While you're at it, also review kush's evolution of his read on me. It follows thread sentiment if you look at the context.
U scum kush?
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Idk man, it's not transparent at all how he goes from town- to scumreading me, and it always happens when somebody else is calling me town or scum.
Additionally the way he pushed Cava reminds me of his scumplay in Dr Who where he basically got 100 % scum on one dude then started to taunt him and shit.
On April 18 2014 12:38 kushm4sta wrote:
scum list in case I die:
cavalinho
vivax
oo
mderg
On April 18 2014 12:45 kushm4sta wrote:
nvm i strongly believe that vivax is town after reviewing his filter
On April 20 2014 11:15 kushm4sta wrote:
i agree koshi. vivax is the scummiest player not in the PoE group (mderg, skan, oo, OTW)
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Then there's this which is also bugging, does it look like he's doing ANYTHING about OO after saying he wasn't looking townie?
On April 16 2014 23:41 kushm4sta wrote:
Kochi can you chill the fuck out? I don't get why you went crazy when people started voting mberg.
You have to realize this game is half noobs. If they got scum and came into the game late, it's very hard for them to look town.
Mberg or ft are both very possibly scum.
Kochi acting weird.
Oo not looking townie.
More coming within the next few hours.
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On April 20 2014 20:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
you ask too many leading questions. i dont like it.
Sorry for trying to have some fucking CONVERSATION. Come on thrawn, stop avoiding drawing conclusions. Do you think it's normal for kush to mention that one dude is scummy who actually was scum and then 100 % lock on Cava and ignore everything else?
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On April 20 2014 20:15 thrawn2112 wrote:
also i am paranoid that djag died because you are pro blue hunter
Wat
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On April 20 2014 20:23 thrawn2112 wrote:
i don't know. but he's town.
Persuade me cause right now I'm seeing things that make it possible he's not.
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