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Vivax

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April 16 2014 22:54 GMT

#591

On April 17 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:

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Vivax. Your opinion on this post?

Idk lol. It's confusing. I don't get what he's trying to accomplish by bringing up all those points about you. I actually don't know if he wants to paint you in a better or worse light, and why it's relevant in his reply to Djago since he doesn't show any signs of having a scumread on you afterwards.

I would like to hear OE's intentions behind this post.

Vivax

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April 16 2014 22:58 GMT

#594

On April 17 2014 07:56 OneThousandWords wrote:

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I've already said no, I was invited here by a friend to play.

How's the weather on the barbados?
Rainy with chance of turtles?

Vivax

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April 16 2014 23:01 GMT

#599

Wait a moment Koshi. Two quick things before you put your weight on the lynch and going to bed.

1. How do you conclusively gain from those posts that OE must be scum before confronting him with it? Frankly I would want to hear that first.

2. OTW just called you scummy for ignoring his counter-case on your scumread. What was the reason for that and do you think that's a valid reason for calling you scum?

Vivax

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April 16 2014 23:27 GMT

#608

Kush still waiting for you to answer my question, please. What was that supposed to mean about OTW.

I could roll with an Omni lynch unless he pops in here and shines townie when clarifying the intent behind those posts, but OTW somewhat still rubs me the wrong way with his answers.

I don't even know why I my opinion on that post is a condition to you giving yours, it's like I have to pull the stuff out of your mouth cause you're angry or something. Or do you have a scumread on me or what is wrong with you? Can't you just answer a question like a normal human being?

Vivax

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April 16 2014 23:37 GMT

#613

On April 17 2014 08:30 OneThousandWords wrote:

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A player specifically asks another player for a read on a post, that player in question then asks ME for that read rather than responding himself. Do you not see how silly that would be for me to do? What if the player in question was trying to form a read based on your response, I've posted a lot in the thread while you have not so why would I not want to let myself and others hear responses from you?

I posted my opinion. It looks confusing and doesn't make much sense, ie it could be made up.

Now that you got it, what gives?

Vivax

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April 16 2014 23:37 GMT

#614

On April 17 2014 08:28 kushm4sta wrote:
doesn't mean i have a strong townread on him

So what is it? A weak townread? Why did you say that.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 01:20 GMT

#655

On April 17 2014 09:23 OmniEulogy wrote:

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On April 17 2014 07:54 Vivax wrote:

On April 17 2014 07:39 Koshi wrote:

On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes.

This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago.

So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book...

You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now.
Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts.
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On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:

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Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?

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On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote:

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No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing.

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I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours.

^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi.
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On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote:

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All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia.

especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum.
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On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:

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I see no reason to think he is town.

so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge.

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On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote:

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You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta?

And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything.

Anyway, my vote is on the right person.

Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that?

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On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:

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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:

On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.

In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.

unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/

My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it.

sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though.

Vivax. Your opinion on this post?

at no point in that case do I call Koshi scum, I tried to discredit his ridiculous thinking for sure considering everything he was doing and saying made absolutely no sense, I was also a bit irritated with him because I think I had to repeat myself for him twice at that point within a short period of time.

Just because I was upset with Koshi didn't mean I thought he was scum, just that he was extremely wrong with his thought process. Which he still is but w/e

As far as the Thrawn / Kush thing goes, I meant Kush and the other lurkers more or less all seemed as likely as candidates for scum and why would I vote for one of four people when Thrawn stood out to me? I explained it earlier. I'd rather lynch somebody I think is scum as opposed to one of multiple people who are just scummy. At the time Thrawn's contributions were literally asking for a policy lynch and voting for a lurker who had said he had no time to play that day.

Who did you think was scum at the time? Djago, right?
Cause it's odd you spend time writing all that stuff to discredit Koshi when in fact you said before that another dude was scum.

That's why I specifically asked you about your intentions. What I see lacking in that post is the intention to either push or find out more about your scumread. I don't know which townie talks to his scumread (Djago) about something and then proceeds to post multiple points about somebody trying to discredit him even though he doesn't think he's scum. Usually you would only do that when you feel very much like some guy is dangerous to you. That's a rather scummy mindset.

Thrawn (and anyone else), do you disagree with this?

- Not figuring out Djago and instead
- discredit a not-scumread cause
- he felt cornered by Koshi

Conclusion: Scum

I initially wasn't even sure what he was trying to achieve with Koshi cause apparently a lot of his remarks on his posts were sarcastic. I'll leave my vote on him unless I discover something better, but I doubt it.

##Vote OmniEulogy

On April 17 2014 10:07 FirmTofu wrote:
Another interesting observation: Vivax has been ignoring me this entire game. Not responding to my questions and not commenting on me at all, aside from the "lmao" post from thrawn.

@Vivax Why must you ignore me so?

PoE mostly and the posts or playstyle which didn't make me add them to the townie list.
Also posted some stuff on OTW previously, I think you missed that cause it would answer half of your question.

As for the other half, OmniEulogy, my conclusion is right above this post. You're encouraged to post your opinion, especially since you're not cleared in my book and the "Oh look Vivax is ignoring me, hmmm, interesting" doesn't make you look much better. Do you think I could be scum?

Also answer me this: The reason you think OTW could be scum is that his case on thrawn looks bad as far as I can gain from your filter. How do you discern if it's a bad townie making it or scum? Cause that case alone isn't enough of an argument, so how did you conclude scum? My arguments for him being possible scum were different.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 01:29 GMT

#660

On April 17 2014 10:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax I already said that I thought that post OE made about koshi was strange. but based on the tone of his recent posts I don't think he's mafia. his confusion seems real.

He's saying he has no scumreads, do you mean that?

On April 16 2014 22:30 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm awake, sorry I went to sleep at like 7pm EST last night.

Quick couple of things

Much less convinced of Djag scum after reading the last 7~ pages.

I think Mderg lynch is a god awful idea D1, if he didn't have time he didn't have time as he's saying. (also what he has posted while I made this post, good to see him around)

My scum hunting came down to the fact that there were three of us active in the thread and I did push Djag on what he had done up to that point. Admittedly mostly on a post made by OTW.

Skan's vote on mderg looks pretty bad although so does Koshi's and especially thrawns. The difference of these three is that Skan has not really given reads on the people he changes his votes for.

Thrawn contributed very little (suggesting a policy lynch on slam) before targeting mderg for inactivity which may or may not be due to time constraints.

Essentially Thrawn calls me out, votes for mderg, questions Djag about his scum reads changing, goes after OTW, back to calling me scummy, and finally goes to Kush when nothing has changed for mderg.

To me Thrawn it seems like you go for the people who would be easy to lynch so you have a place to put your vote. On top of that it seems like you don't really care who we lynch based on how you picked your targets.

The biggest thing I have against you though is you trying to convince town to lynch mderg. I can't see any town motivation behind that given what he has said over other people in the game.

He thought at some point, that your actions make you scummy. Now I ask you, how do you think the mafia would react if a guy they previously called out is opposed to their lynch?

Would they still call him scum?

Vivax

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April 17 2014 01:37 GMT

#667

On April 17 2014 10:32 OmniEulogy wrote:
All I can say Vivax is that Djag was figured out at that point for everything he had said and then I went to sleep and he made more posts. What can ya do, people continue to talk even when you're not there.

If you were town you would have to have some suspects. Why aren't you mentioning thrawn after your previous points on him if not cause he's defending you right now?

Also what do you mean by figured out? You mean you were so sure he was scum and he became townie to you cause of his later posts? If so, you should be able to elaborate on the posts that changed your mind and the reasons for it. If so, you should have found out more stuff about Djag, asked him stuff. All I can see is that you blamed him for saying he never played scum and the meta thingy.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 01:55 GMT

#680

I actually missed the post where Omni agreed with the case on thrawn being town (Koshi posted it), so I retract the point assuming his evolution of read was opportunistic.

Still, I think that cause of his post on Koshi and Djag he's a better lynch than any of the other possible scummers :/ , but I could also lynch FT for that big but void post thrawn lold about.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 02:09 GMT

#691

On April 17 2014 10:33 FirmTofu wrote:

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Not really considering you as scum just yet. I just wanted to hear from you. I like this case on OE.

I think OTW is scummy for a variety of different, small reasons. His attitude has been generally defensive, his responses to your questions were less than impressive, and his vote on me is pure OMGUS. I don't have a case on him yet, persay, but I wouldn't mind lynching him, that much is certain.

Actually I thought his answers to me made him look a little better cause he wasn't afraid of pissing me off which is something I wouldn't expect from newb scum (if he is who he claims to be which I'm not sure if I should believe), my main concern though is the way he pushed people early in the game. It looked like plain scum aggressiveness, not figuring out people. Hence why I was suspicious of his lack of townreads. I could lynch him too. Hell, I could lynch everybody I said I would lynch initially except for the german dude cause of the way he replied to me.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:03 GMT

#725

On April 17 2014 11:19 thrawn2112 wrote:
yeah ok. there's been enough times in the last couple hours where FT has posted somethin that makes me think he's town for be to be willing to unvote him

Thrawn, now I got two issues with your play.

One, you defend lynch candidates, you don't push scumreads. This is the worst possible play at deadline. We need a lynch, we need a lynch with at least some reasoning, you don't present such a thing.

Two, you keep asking people stuff about your townreads instead of simply putting aside that discussion by saying WHY we shouldn't vote for them today.

Unless you want to vote for the guy who is going to be modkilled and thus basically force a no-lynch, crank out a case on somebody you think is scum.

Next issue is this Cava wagon. I said why I think he's town. Now all those people I find scummy or not supertownie start a wagon on him, you put coals into the fire.

THERE IS NO PROPER CASE ON CAVALINHO. HELLO? ALARM BELLS? WHERE IS THIS LYNCH HEADING TO?
The only "case" I've seen so far is Kush's case based on a case construction meta argument.
Cavalinho didn't even respond to any accusations.

Those are the best lynches, the lynches where the lynchee isn't even present. The best lynches for scum to push. This wagon stinks.

On April 17 2014 11:10 FirmTofu wrote:
I'm going to move my vote to Cava. I think we need to be looking into him further. OE, if you continue to ignore me, I'll leave my vote on you.
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Look at this. This is the reasoning some individuals are using to get onto his wagon.

"I'm going to vote this dude, I think we should look at him".
Is that an argument for Cava being scum?

Why did OE even bring up the tidbit with me being scum cause I'm a replacement. Why does he even imply I would justify a mislynch later when we're not even that far. Why does he say i play like scum but I'm not his scumread.

Lots of stuff going wrong right now and I don't even know where to start but the thing I can tell is that I'm suspicious of thrawn right now and FT and OE both ride the Cava wagon while at the same time calling each other as secondary scumreads.

Now I want either FT or OE lynched for sure.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:07 GMT

#728

lol what. Take this game seriously. Answer the questions. When deadline approaches your scumreads turn to townreads and you help push the lynch onto a guy who isn't even here, explain that thrawn.

Am I the only one seeing the pattern?

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:08 GMT

#730

Yeah let's lynch a guy who might get modkilled and isn't even here, cause well, cause we need to look into him.

Welcome to the state of the game.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:09 GMT

#732

Explain what exactly made you change your mind on those guys. So far you've only been asking questions, never explaining, and never pushing an own scumread.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:10 GMT

#734

On April 17 2014 12:09 thrawn2112 wrote:
vivax please explain how turning my scumreads into townreads as the lynch deadline approaches is a scum agenda. that's the dumbest thing that's been posted in the thread so far

Only if they are both town, which you either can't know or they simply aren't.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:14 GMT

#736

On April 17 2014 12:11 kushm4sta wrote:
vivax you can pressure thrawn after the lynch if you want.
Do you disagree strongly with this cava lynch? why
who should we be lynching instead? why

I disagree cause I trust my own townread and most importantly I'm reluctant to lynch guys who didn't get a chance to defend themselves first, and who are pushed by scummy people with no arguments, close to deadline, who have each other as secondary scumreads just cause of a coincidence, and basically say "Hey dude if you don't do x I will vote for you".

Lynch OE or FT. And when we're done with them we kick thrawn's ass.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:15 GMT

#737

Look at thrawn. He townreads them and he refuses to give me reasons not to lynch em just because ?????

But he sure felt entitled to demand answers.

Vivax

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April 17 2014 03:22 GMT

#739

Kush why does OE want to lynch Fderg?

Vivax

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