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On April 17 2014 04:54 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 04:50 FirmTofu wrote:On April 17 2014 04:47 OneThousandWords wrote:On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:Thrawn's main contributions this game: On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because: A) It lets people appear to be contributing. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game! I've mentioned Mderg before. Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:same for me. becasue of this post Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not) He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim
koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him. He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam). He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's: I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy. Thrawn's view is. This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not! In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening. ##Vote Thrawn2112 I'll address your points in order. A) It lets people appear to be contributing. Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty? In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it. This post is a fruitless attempt to discredit the substance of the original post. I had already brought up mderg's post having no conclusions previously in the thread and so when someone returns to the thread after having ONLY responded with one or two word jokes before and their only contribution is something that I had already mentioned then what benefit have they brought to the table? What extra information is provided. None whatsoever. You answer points A, B and C with points that have no relevance without the context of the rest of the post. There is no context of the rest of the post. I've read the entire thing and none of it makes any sense to me. Feel free to explain if you can. A mafia's objective is to blend into town and the best way to do that is contribute. When you are mafia it is harder to contribute because psychologically you know all the alignments and it becomes harder to point out things that are scummy. That is why it is a standard mafia tactic to mimic what other people have said previously in the thread. This feigns contribution and makes themselves look good because people seemingly forget what other people had said previously. Thrawn does this with me and mderg. I write about mderg's first post having no conclusions and he mimics it but the caveat is that he calls me scum without actually referencing my contributions, in fact, he ignores them entirely. Furthermore, everytime someone knew is brought up he calls them scummy eving going so far as to call someone scummy before reading them!
You're probably not aware of this but the general way games play out on this site is that there's a ton of spam and games get really big really fast, like 40-80 pages easily almost every game in recent memory with 40 feeling pretty barren. It's easy to assume that lurking (in this case, the game is slow so lurking is relative by degrees instead of by pages of filter) means people are scummy. To hold the default position that people are scummy in a game where the page-count is still lower than the average age of the players is not that far out of the box here.
Furthermore you're going to be upset when you find out that this is exactly what a town kush will do sometimes (X IS SCUMMY OK NO WAIT LET ME GO READ THE THREAD) so your preconceived notions for how the game is supposed to play out might be a little different than what you're going to experience here given the variations of style and inclusiveness of players from all different backgrounds.
If you couldn't vote for thrawn, who would you vote for and why? I personally don't think thrawn has found his stride in a game as "slow" as this to be able to get a grasp on him for certain, but he's trying to clean up the stragglers in his own way which speaks in his favor to me.
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Vivax wtf am I am on your list by POE or did you have reasons?
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On April 17 2014 06:20 Vivax wrote:@ OO PoE AND posts like this: Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 03:46 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 21:23 kushm4sta wrote:
Haven't read newest shit but
Oo why you want to plynch Akaka if you have no problem town reading him?
Why you gotta shit town read thrawn based on bullshit? I wouldn't say that his activity is the only way to read him and it's subjective anyhow, I basically caught him through POE and that was the best reason I could come up with in Toy Story, he exhibited both behaviors there so I'm going to use the guideline until it no longer works (i.e. he steps up and plays the game). He's a policy lynch because I have no idea what the fuck he is saying 99% of the time. He seems to have the goal of being unreadable in every game he plays and that puts him in my "ok to policy lynch" group because I'd hate to lose to him (again, lol). re: thrawn, how would you suggest I eliminate people from the lynch based on their behavior if not on some basic first post instinct when the game is like 20 minutes in? I've opened lines of communication when in the past things have been not so great between us, unless I recall incorrectly. The last game we played together I wanted to lynch him and he ended up being town, so I'm trying a new approach so I don't immediately put him in a category labeled "people I want to lynch because I hate" Gotta re-read after I get some coffee in me. Only other thought I had for the moment is I didn't immediately want to lynch Koshi which is standing out to me. I think he's more actively participating (rather than posting for what looks like the sake of posting) than in other games I've read/played with him in them. Maybe that's some kind of themed-level-Koshi and I haven't seen a normal ass game Koshi in recent memory? Let's split this into three text blocks. First block is a huge answer about Kaslam. That's ok, that's not my beef, kush asked you a question. The second block is defensive in my opinion. What is your intention here since according to kush you townread thrawn? Btw point me to what you're replying cause thrawn didn't even ask you anything O_o (I don't think I've missed such a thing while looking for it). The third block is meh. Says something semi-conclusive, ends up with a question to yourself. You still got trouble getting a conclusion about Koshi? Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 06:00 mderg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:Djagulingu, you describe your town play as: Show nested quote +My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.
I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.
In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda. I don´t agree with this case on Djagulingu. It´s purely based on Djagu´s self meta which I think is always difficult to base a case on. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 07:23 OneThousandWords wrote:I also find it odd how Cavalinho has chosen to respond to posts in the thread. His chose his first posts of the game to say hi and that he isn't going to comment on anything because nothing has happened. I find this in and of itself strange. When people first start the game they usually start to converse with people or even talk about policy, however, Cavalinho decided not to have any part of the conversation whatsoever. Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 14:36 Cavalinho wrote:On April 15 2014 14:32 ObviousOne wrote:On April 15 2014 13:54 Cavalinho wrote:
Hi. Right on, right on. What you thinking about right now? Nothing has happened yet. So...Nothing. Now, understandably we do not know the circumstances and I'd like to hear more from him but then he returns to the thread after quite some time to post, well, nothing. His only real post is a post to jump on discrediting OmniEulogy (whether justly or not). Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 04:05 Cavalinho wrote:On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes. Uhh. Also I don't get the points in your post at all. I find this an odd behavioural tidbit because IMO this is not a townies mindset. I agree with this case on cav + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 23:54 OneThousandWords wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 19:22 Koshi wrote:
OneThousandWords
Did absolutely NOTHING.
Went in an argument with me defending the fact that skanjab HAS TO CLAIM RB OR IS MAFIA ON D2 while OTW himself didn't believe the Vig claim.
Then he made some halfassed case on Cavalinho which simply isn't enough for a smurf. Even if Cavalinho is suspicious, it doesn't change the fact OTW has done nothing. Just some silly quotes enabling him to fly under radar. This is categorically false. Where do I state that I don't believe he could be vig? Also, I've seen the word smurf thrown around. If it's used in the same way as MOBA games then you're wrong, I was invited here by a friend from another mafia site. Here is wherein the real problem lies. All the people that you seemingly "like" for things that they have done have quite simply started from posts that I have made. Thrawn's main contributions this game: Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.
This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because: A) It lets people appear to be contributing. B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads. C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content. Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game! I've mentioned Mderg before. Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:same for me. becasue of this post Show nested quote +On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not) He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim
koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him. He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam). He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's: I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy. Thrawn's view is. This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not! In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening. ##Vote Thrawn2112 Here I agree on the part about thrawns first contribution being the case on me is scummy. I don´t think thrawn was sheeping OTW, though. If you agree with his case on Cava why does he stay null for you when you ask me about the reads? Be honest, did you just go look for OTW's cases when I asked you?
thrawn thing, I used re: instead of regarding erroneously, I didn't actually reply to anything specifically. Just stated that it felt right at the time to give him a prelim town read for how the game started.
All I can confidently say about Koshi is that I don't want to lynch him for how he's playing. That he's semi-all over the place is in his favor given how slow things are going and the lack of an ability to get a good snowball of evidence when the pace of the game is what it is. For some reason I feel like he would be more focused if he was mafia, but that's like a vague memory of distant past games in concept and if someone has better information regarding his scum play, I'm all ears. Not really concerned about him to warrant digging for it yet.
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On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:
Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)
Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg
Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile
This list?
FT I feel like I've always had a hard time getting a read on. I know in the past I've always felt he was scummy and it was based on activity at the time. Given his relative activity to this game it can't really be used against him.
Reading Omni's filter last night put me into a comatose state trying to make sense of it. His style seems to be part conversational, part POE, which I think makes him more likely to be town than scum, but he's taken a hard line defending borderline-at-the-time mderg which I don't understand the reason for. Don't really care for the summary-nature of his read on thrawn because it doesn't really come to a solid conclusion, yet that's where his vote lands.
On April 16 2014 23:23 OmniEulogy wrote:
his vote on mderg is scummy imo, his accusations considering his entire filter comes down to policy lynching Slam and lynching mderg, and then his conversation with Koshi about Kush where he only votes for kush after you do Skan. It just seems like the only thing he does is try to find a SAFE place to put his vote.
Interesting choice of words; safe place to put a vote. Interesting because somehow he's created a situation where that's what he's done. Putting his vote in a safe place (on someone who he perceived as someone putting their vote somewhere safe) SAFE-CEPTION?
OTW seems to be adjusting to how games play here, not sure yet on his alignment. Gut would say town but since he's new here I don't know how to tell for certain yet. I already bought up the potential culture clash which he hasn't responded to yet, if it even merited a response.
mderg is part of my filter already
How are you so confident on your town reads on cav and djag?
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On April 17 2014 07:24 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey guys what's up? on pg 22 right now. only thing I can really conclude from what I've read is that I think mderg is town. probably kush too
I don't really know who I would vote for if not mderg. I think kush is probably town, but fuck me if I could prove it without a doubt. I keep conflating djag and cav in my mind for some reason. Djag seems to have been all gung-ho about playing super townie but spent half the day discussing that concept in various ways somehow.
On April 15 2014 20:31 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2014 20:29 Koshi wrote:On April 15 2014 20:28 Djagulingu wrote:On April 15 2014 20:25 Koshi wrote:
I am awaiting his response first. It was as scumslip as "100%" I don't see what you are seeing tbh. I can guess somewhere what you are thinking but it kinda thin. We will see. You have no idea what I'm thinking lol.
Seems to be a theme for his game. I'm really not sure what he's thinking lol. He has it out for Cav.
Cav is also on the mderg-probably-town boat with you but he's played the filter length card against FT when his own filter is less than a page as well. Which is hilarious and stuff but by his own reasons for calling FT scum he is scum to himself. Not very fleshed out reasons for why FT is scum plus a short filter.
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On April 17 2014 07:36 Vivax wrote:@ OO Cav I explained, Djag is cause his initial posts are "fuck yeah, I'm town, let's fuck scum" with hints of some sort of roleplay and his posts about weird traps for scum. Stuff like that is usually hard for scum to make up. @ Koshi Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 07:30 Koshi wrote:On April 16 2014 23:35 OmniEulogy wrote:
the problem I'm having right now Koshi is that between Kush, Cavalinho, Slam, FirmTofu, and even still mderg I have no reason to think that any of them are town. I'm also undecided about OTW and OO but they give me a better feeling than the others. given that I'd rather vote for Thrawn even if he is voting on Kush because to me Kush blends in more with the others making me doubt if we'll really lynch scum if we lynch him. This post. Interesting? I'd like OE to explain the last bit with kush, thrawn and the blending in. That reeks a bit like bullshit reasoning. As for who to vote, I need to talk more to reach a more definite conclusion, if you gotta sleep, vote for who you feel is scum I guess.
Oh I see it now. I think it's a good instinct read, for a place to start. But I'm looking at behavior more recently as I just pointed out in a post a few min ago (namely the hypocrisy of his FT read and how if he's town he's calling someone scum for something town can absolutely be doing). Do you have feelings about that?
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Regarding FT, my least favorite post is the one regarding skanjabis where he basically says "you're completely useless and say nothing of value but i'm taking your claim at face value and this is exactly how you should behave if you want to keep it that way" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21193885
Am I seriously that way off about mderg or is he not that big of a deal right now?
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On April 17 2014 19:46 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey OO. do you want to be buddies again for D2? my D2 standards are much harsher than my D1 standards so this time I will require you to submit a formal resume.
Nah I would probably just let you down on the activity or insight front. I'm not feeling especially good for the past 4 or 5 days and my brain is shut off. Apparently there's some "killer flu" going around here in NY and I might have it.
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On April 17 2014 22:47 kushm4sta wrote:
you noobs should just shut your mouths and respect your mafia elders.
thrawn is town. case closed. even if cava was confirmed scum, thrawn is still town.
a lot of us have played many games with thrawn and he's never scum acting like how he's acting.
+1 etc etc
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On April 17 2014 23:38 Koshi wrote:
Guys, imo thrawn pretty cool guy.
Shouldn't be lynched/shot/copped imho.
That OO guy, he is sneaky.
Agree, I am sneaky. I smoked cigarettes for 7 years before my parents found out. Nighttime ninja garage door doobie style sneaky.
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Last thought before I go lose everything in my gut, anyone who wants to see thrawn shot tonight should be shot.
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On April 18 2014 18:12 Skanjab1s wrote:
lol no I'm not the vig
Wow, guess I forgot this kind of thing is common over on omgus and should have expected it. Okay. Some closure regarding his Kush read would be good.
On April 19 2014 01:04 mderg wrote:I have to correct myself. After rereading oo´s filter I couldn´t find the posts that stand out as townie behavior. Or rather posts that I thought were townie don´t really seem like town behavior to me anymore. Show nested quote +On April 17 2014 05:36 ObviousOne wrote:On April 17 2014 05:15 mderg wrote:On April 17 2014 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:Kush giving me the town boner as of his return this second half. Thank fuck we have a replacement, hello vivax please explain why I am on your POE or what you didn't like about me. mderg's main, perhaps only, focus is a vig claim / scumminess of claiming a near-verifable role D1? That's... concerning, he's getting my vote for now. No reason to be pushing to lynch blue claims unless there's a cc. He's even sticking with it despite talking to others and defending his position which, with a tiny bit of critical thought should be an intractable one. ##vote: mderg@FT: Koshi reads town to me only because he's all over the place and active. I'm more familiar with his "go forth and do work for me" town-meta that I think he uses in themed games but I'm not as aware of his regular town-game meta. My distant memory from back when Titanic 1 was a thing was that his scum game was pretty focused, but I'm bad with the memory thing sometimes so if you have something contradictory that would be useful today I'd like to see that. On April 17 2014 04:32 FirmTofu wrote:
I don't like Koshi's insistence on pushing kush. Kush has a decent past few pages and his pressure of Cavalinho seems genuine.
Although Kush brings up some good points on Cavalinho, I'm not entirely convinced. Cavalinho looks like he doesn't understand that people sometimes give out null reads in order to promote discussion on a player. Fundamentally, he doesn't understand the purpose of my post: to explain to Koshi why Dja was not the appropriate use of our time in the thread.
@kush+Koshi Tell me what you think of OmniEulogy so far. I'm curious to hear your thoughts. Did you even read my posts? The claim is the one thing that makes Skan look less scummy. The claim was never my focus, it was everything besides that. I´m also having a hard time understanding the rest of the paragraph about me. Would it be possible to rephrase that? Any potential vigilante situation is self-solving. Either a shot is called and made, called a missed, not called and claimed later, or never called but the vigilante dies. Giving any amount of effort towards discussing how much you do or don't believe it and arguing about it or using it to defend someone before any of those events happen is ridiculous. So to say it another way; having a read on a player solely for their power claim is ridiculous because we know that mafia can fake claim, we know that a power role who claims early can get their role blocked, they can be simply shot, and other corner cases where it leads into some kind of big play (which I would discount but in the interests of trying to be thorough I add it here). So if he's actually blue then you pushing for his lynch is pointless endeavour for anyone thinking with a town mindset. With so few potential power roles in a normal game (something you may not be aware of). You can just accept for one day that he's got something useful to contribute outside of his lack of conversational contribution and focus on real lynch candidate possibilities instead until it can be established he's lying or he is caught in a sure-fire situation where he knows something that he shouldn't. That is why I think your vote is wasted and you've given him the possibility of being town for his role but you refuse to accept what that means for the overarching scheme of the game when you pursue him as a potential lynch candidate. This for example seemed townie to me but it actually doesn´t say anything other than lynching claimed vig on day 1 is bad. The wall of text kinda made it seem like a good town post at first glance.
I have a history of miscommunication in/out of game so when I'm not sure I can put it in few words I kind of overcompensate. Anyway, skan claimed to only have a few days to play on D1 so I'm assuming he meant 3 real-time days therefore all of D1 and he would be mostly absent for the rest of the game. Have you factored this into your read as well as the tidbit in the section above, regarding behavior he's used to doing and/or seeing where he normally plays?
On April 16 2014 05:55 mderg wrote:
So difficult going through this. The one liners really hurt my reading comprehension.
Look at the sentence, look at the filter, laughter out loud
@people concerning my d2 activity questions - yeah I didn't feel well for a couple of days, severe "brain fog" going on that seemed to be attributable to dehydration by way of GI distress or something. I'm feeling a lot better now, thank you for asking.
thrawn why you gotta hate on me like that with the whole buddies2baddies thing? You're basically running this game based on number of posts alone beyond all the other feels I get about you, so I guess if anyone is going to lead the lynch it's going to be you. What do you want to talk about? I trust in the collective wisdom of you / kush.
Kush should tweek know better about you or is he not good at reading you? He had a scum read on you probably based mostly around your first-half of d1 absence and I don't know when/if he's checking back in. Was his intent to get you lynched okay to you, or is there some backstory I'm missing where he should be able to tell by the end of the day and just never got around to changing his read? Would be helpful if he would check up on that as I mentioned above.
Skan MIA means I don't know what he's thinking related to kush and between that and his fake claim he's my top lynch candidate for today. Second maybe Mderg, seems pretty blunt in his responses which seems like a "safe" way to play as saying as little as possible reveals as little as necessary. No real narrative to his filter.
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On April 20 2014 00:03 thrawn2112 wrote:
I don't know what you want from me.
I just wanna rub up against you for a little while or something of that nature, I think. No strings.
Am I lining up with you at all regarding mderg/skan?
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This is strictly sensual.
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Thanks for the carry HF wub u
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When I read the word roundabout, I think of donuts.
Mmmmmm...... donuts......
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