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On April 04 2014 00:09 IAmRobik wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".
Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.
I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.
Totes okay with waiting until he says more.
Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this. so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before. other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught. if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment i dont like people like that syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me? Killing is DEFINITELY town. If you think otherwise, go read Foundations.
nope
explain to me
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On April 04 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 00:08 strongandbig wrote:On April 04 2014 00:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 04 2014 00:02 strongandbig wrote:On April 03 2014 23:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 03 2014 23:23 Keirathi wrote:
Anyways, for the record, I'm not really interested in lynching Balla right this minute. Mostly because everything he's done has fit with his pre-game "roll".
Random lynch = 100% neutral. He rolled true neutral.
I don't think it was constructive and the whole bit was dumb, but I just see it as more of him having fun with his roll than being scum.
Totes okay with waiting until he says more.
Nah i totally disagree with this. What better way to play as scum saying "i said I would do this pregame". I feel like townBalla would have more responsibilty as town than to play like this. so your read on balla is a meta-read based on the fact that you think he would roleplay as scum and not as town? can you give me some evidence or reasoning to back up this meta read? i have never played with balla before. other than this metaread i dont see anything in balla's filter that looks actively scummy rather than just not playing the game, and it's early enough in the day that we don't have to start worrying about that yet Balla's meta is that he plays as town. If he is mafia he either does not play or if he tries he gets caught. if it didnt come across in my sandrojism comment i dont like people like that syllo is playing for real so far this game though so i should stop needling him. my b anyway i still don't think killing is town. who's with me? I think Killing is town based on his last scumgame and this game. He was like FROZEN the whole game as mafia. Doesn't look like it at all this time. You brought up syllo. Do you think sandroba is playing?
has he posted?
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On April 04 2014 00:20 Keirathi wrote:
I liked Killing's first few posts. They were carefree and fun loving.
Then he went all weird and nonsensical when he was questioning jat.
Idgi
this is the thing with killing... people are saying he feels more relaxed than in some other game but i dont see it, what i see is a dramatic shift in tone where he gets all serious and explainey all at once but only talks about policy and buttons, it feels like a conscious decision to change his tone but with a lack of any accompanying engagement with reads or the important parts of the game
other reads
oatsmaster is somehow managing to be simultaneously spammy-one-linery and effective-and-helpful. i've never seen anyone but marv walk that line before (boom shots fired at rayn lol)
that said i wish balla had told us the reason for the replacement request, i want to sheep oats but i really dont feel like there is enough in balla's filter to make a determination of alignment especially given the possibility of roleplaying
i like keirathi but cant figure out any reason why
i feel like ve hasn't really said much in the way of actual things, which worries me but only a little
i would've expected sandroba to be way more aggro than the posts he's made up till now, they've been way more thread-direct-ey than like alignment-find-ey
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On April 04 2014 02:51 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:49 austinmcc wrote:On April 04 2014 02:47 Palmar wrote:On April 04 2014 02:46 austinmcc wrote:On April 04 2014 02:28 syllogism wrote:On April 04 2014 02:07 austinmcc wrote:On April 03 2014 22:26 syllogism wrote:On April 03 2014 14:23 austinmcc wrote:Hello, friends! I believe you'll find that I am currently Quetzacoatl, Bird God of Lightning and Other Things I Decide to be God Over. You can find my credentials elsewhere. yamato's bit on rayn not making townreads 5 minutes in reads like yamato town, silly thing to say if scum, and not in a good-silly way. Carefree comment, nonsense read based on nonsense reads, town. Especially since rayn thinks/thought that yamato might be mafia for being serious, yamato super town. keirathi hello! + Show Spoiler +On April 03 2014 10:11 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:09 iamperfection wrote:On April 03 2014 10:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
iamp i don't really think townreading people because of their reaction to obvious joke post was as easy comment is legit. Uh ok. I use it a ton and I don't really get burned by it. Not really worried about it anyway as Yamato is super easy to read. But lets not try and give iamp advice he kind of knows what he is doing. But do you know how to bake a pretty cake? I believe it's a piece of cake, if the way is hazy. I was once told that I had to "do the cooking by the book" and also ordered to "break it down bitch ... drop dat ass down low then pick that muthafucka up" gumshoe remarkably overzealous. everything else when skimmed does nothing for me or my pee-pee. Did you intend to imply that gumshoe being overzealous is alignment indicative and if so, does it make town or mafia? I don't think it's alignment-indicative, but I don't know gumshoe well. It's a stark contrast from what I know off-the-top-of-my-head about his recent play, and everyone else seems to be doing normal stuff (Palmar is being Palmar-y, people are being themselves-y, gumshoe is going ham on people). I like syllo for asking this question, he grabs a strange part of one of my posts, asks about it, in a way that indicates he probably wants to get a read on me. Why mention it at all if it's meaningless? Palmar hadn't even posted when you made that remark, and you using later content to explain why you singled out gumshoe at previous point is suspicious. Does no one else really feel different from how they usually play? Jumped out at me. True on palmar. As far as feeling different, nobody else feels THAT different? Perhaps more that gumshoe (and robik) could be summed up by one word at that point. gumshoe overzealous, robik...pissy/ragey/something, but nobody needs robik pointed out. Austin what type of a car do you own? An old Jetta. Birds don't need cars though. SCUMPILE SCUMPILE SCUMPILE. You know me from the future, but only DeLorean can be used to travel in time. Not Jetta. This means you did not know me and you are mafia.
also a train right?
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On April 04 2014 07:06 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 07:00 Paperscraps wrote:
.today for lynch great a like seems (Blazinghand)Balla24
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.bleed eyes my making are posts liner-one the All !Batman spam Holy All the one-liner posts are making his eyes bleed -> I shall sheep Palmar, the one-line spamming king. Interesting.
yeah this is kind of a thing
On April 04 2014 08:13 Amiko wrote:
@kitaman27
Hello in this thread!
i like you
You indicate you like that I proposed a button guard plan. That's nice, but do you think the plan would be at all helpful for town? I think more people would have to guard it than I suggested but I still feel like it would be a good move to have some people semi-accountable to tell town who they saw visit the button.
also youre town
Also Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 08:04 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn, why no mass claim suggestion? Scum points for you. For context to other readers, raynpelikoneet encouraged a d1 massclaim in the Dr. Who game ( game is ongoing). In that game, he felt that in a highly-roled game, massclaiming was beneficial to town, and later flipped blue. It seems to me that this game that would be more the case, because I felt massclaiming would be scarier in a game with conversion-mechanics and this game (probably) does not have them in game.
idk who si running doctorwho but if its not greymist (its probably igrok right?) then its probably not as well insulated against massclaims. dont massclaim a greymist gmae imo
On April 04 2014 08:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 08:46 marvellosity wrote:On April 04 2014 08:03 Koshi wrote:
##vote: marvellosity
Atm he is building himself a filter without content and I know that is something he doesn't want to do as town because he wants to be able to play scum and he feels if he build filters that are too big as town all the time he wont be able to play scum because he can't have big filters as scum. so why is he building a big filter for the sake of building a big filter?
sleep tiems. this post gave me cancer marv cannot have big filters as mafia therefore, because marv has a big filter, he is mafia Mind=blown
yusss
also lol rayn
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550 posts overnight. Good luck me!
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Who actually broke the secrecy and revealed the player list of the qt with VE and va on it? My impression was that ve did it but I don't have time to dig back right now
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okay so a while ago i asked a question which got kind of ignored but
here's what's bugging me about VE
he jumps into the thread with the reveal of the qt, and that va had been playing differently between the qt and the thread in a way which made ve suspicious
forget the stuff about va claiming ve's role thats stupid.
but if ve was feeling strongly enough about this to both reveal publicly his qt and jump on va about it, how does he go back to "okay im sheepign whoever" so quickly when he doesnt gain traction
it doesnt sit well with me
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i hate upgrading computers
i hate server databases
i hate everything today
what else
i'm liking foolishness's read (with logic!) on aimperfection more than i am marv's tone-meta read
the paperscraps thing about changing his mind on poofa or whatever indicating hes just making his reads up as he goes along, that is kind of a good poitn
killing seems less bad now that hes posted more stuff. still suspicious about his dramatic changes in tone though, it feels like he's been trying to calibrate his tone and that feels artificial. but its less obvoius to me now
sandroba decided to play which makes me very happy, i liked a lot of the stuff he posted in the 500 or so posts i finally finished skimming through
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On April 05 2014 04:09 Keirathi wrote:
For the record, I 100% agree with marv. iamp is a fucking terrible lynch today.
same reason as marv? tone meta?
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On April 05 2014 05:15 marvellosity wrote:Here is how Paperscraps, when he is town, describes his mafia play: Show nested quote +On July 29 2013 03:18 Paperscraps wrote:
I have been very transparent in my posting up to this point. Yes, I had a lot of town reads when I caught up, You act like it is hard to act "town" day 1. I couldn't care less what people perceive me as. If I was scum, I would just be all amicable, maybe start some BS case against some one who made some questionable posts and call it a day. I thought the people playing this game would be able to read past the simple charades of others, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Here is how he describes it this game: Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:10 Paperscraps wrote:
.up this brought t'haven Robik ,Killing ,Tehpoofter surprised am I .wolves the to sheep lead and mafia as town pro super play I .now right me before kneeling by all would you ,mafia was I if that realize do guys You The two are not the same
yeah okay this does it
plus that just throwing out iamperfection because "read his filter" without addressing the much more detailed points that have already been made for and against him is such a cop out
##vote: paperscraps
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sandro if scraps is town why choose iamperfection in the way he did?
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On April 05 2014 06:19 sandroba wrote:
Okay I somehow missed the inconsistency marv spotted by paperscraps describing his own mafia play. Fuck I don't know anymore.
What is the case on gumshoe btw? I read his filter and there is nothing screaming scum to me. It's too hard to find stuff in this thread.
i was going to ask you about that but that post was from a year ago. I don't think that point holds as much weight as some of the others against paperman
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On April 05 2014 06:37 IAmRobik wrote:
OK. I'm about to catch up. The only thing I want everyone to note is that foolishness is complaining a lot about the spam, but like 95% of the words that he posts are just filler. He BARELY gives opinions on anything -- the only real stances that I can remember him taking were 1) iamp being mafia and 2) he read someone town earlier, but I forget who it was.
Please do not be fooled by the long "newspaper" posts that he's making. THEY HAVE VERY VERY LITTLE SUBSTANCE TO THEM!
no dood you dont get the point
there's a difference between "writing a lot" and "making a lot of posts"
if everyone made fewer posts this game would be better
the same is not true for "if everyone wrote fewer words"
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foolishness is right about sandroba being the most trustworthy though.
##unvote: paperscraps
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On April 05 2014 06:42 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 06:38 strongandbig wrote:On April 05 2014 06:37 IAmRobik wrote:
OK. I'm about to catch up. The only thing I want everyone to note is that foolishness is complaining a lot about the spam, but like 95% of the words that he posts are just filler. He BARELY gives opinions on anything -- the only real stances that I can remember him taking were 1) iamp being mafia and 2) he read someone town earlier, but I forget who it was.
Please do not be fooled by the long "newspaper" posts that he's making. THEY HAVE VERY VERY LITTLE SUBSTANCE TO THEM! no dood you dont get the point there's a difference between "writing a lot" and "making a lot of posts" if everyone made fewer posts this game would be better the same is not true for "if everyone wrote fewer words" To be honest, I have a much harder time forcing myself to read 1000 word essay posts than I do reading 100 one liners from marv.
huh, its the opposite for me. style i guess
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have to go meet girlfriend
also sheeping sandroba
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Noooo! We had a town inventor and he died of alcohol poisoning!  :
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On April 05 2014 09:50 Holyflare wrote:
We should force amiko to use power so no shenanigans happen
Why would this be a food idea
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On April 05 2014 18:55 Holyflare wrote:
Strongandbig, your vote seems a little odd. You mention a lot of things about what makes paperscraps scum and that he is a good lynch but then all of a sudden follow sandroba kn his gumshoe whim when he presented very little evidence for it. Are you keen to just hop along for the ride over your scummy reads?
There are a lot of other votes like yours too and this was a town lynch. Is there anyone that this is telling for?
Here were the reasons to vote paperscraps as I remember them (because I'm not going to read back, my phone broke and this old one I'm using is slow as fuck)
1. he was writing backwards
2. changed his read on some guy midway through with no explanation
--- in that change of read, he called the same content null that he had previously called scummy, leading Marv and others to speculate that h was making up his reads as he went along
3. he characterized his scum play this game in a convenient way which contradicted the way he characterized his scum play in a previous town game.
Here's why I changed my mind - if you look carefully I mention some of these in my filter but I didn't go into it in full detail:
1. This was always a stupid reason. If people wanted to lynch someone for being disruptive, hard to read, and hurting the thread they should have lynched palmar. Or Rubik. Anyway this never made him scum.
2. I changed my mind on this one. People can have their reads change. Plus sandroba didn't think this made paperscraps scum and I decided I trust sandroba more than Marv.
3. The post which got contradicted was from a year ago, and people change both their play an their idea of how to play in the course of a year.
Then I voted gumshoe mostly because sandroba did and I had to meet my girlfriend to go see The Seagull (a Chekov play which was really very good and which ended well after nine o'clock.)
As for other voters on gumshoe, I'll try and take a look when I have a computer but my impression from skimming was that people were jumping on to try and secure any lynch, when the paperscraps wagon had stalled because no one was actively pushing it. I'm not sure that's super scum motivated, in a game which likely has a jillion KP scum probably don't stand to gain too much by securing a single townie lynch, so I wouldn't expect them to be putting their necks of making up reasons to jump on the fastest wagon. So if paperscraps turns out to be scum then I guess you should be looking at people who voted him early and got him set up as the non paperscraps wagon, those being sandroba, me, Marv, Yamato, jat, etc - the first six or seven votes on him. I guess those are the people whose reasons for voting gumshoe deserve to be really scrutinized. I guess my reason wasn't the best - just following sandroba - but to be fair that's not a bad reason per se, plus I don't think there was any reason to believe at the time that the gumshoe wagon was going to be the most viable alternative as opposed to eg akiko or whoever.
The other side of the coin is why people decided to unvote paperscraps, and since the votecount doesn't specify who invited in what order, I can't really go into too much detail on this shitty phone.
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