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Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:35 GMT
#3659
there is also in my filter clear evidence that i knew that to be the case, where people say "his role is anti town so he must be mafia" - oats

and i say

"no i dont think so because powers aren't alignment indicative"

is that what i do to spread an agenda?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:37 GMT
#3663
On April 08 2014 04:36 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:35 Holyflare wrote:
there is also in my filter clear evidence that i knew that to be the case, where people say "his role is anti town so he must be mafia" - oats

and i say

"no i dont think so because powers aren't alignment indicative"

is that what i do to spread an agenda?

That is in no way "clear evidence".


no but it's evidence that shows i KNOW it to be the case
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:39 GMT
#3665
i looked up the mafia awards to find the most towny themed game and didn't get a conclusion but then i saw the vote for the best mafia role and dimensional lemming was there so then I knew that alignments weren't based on powers
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:42 GMT
#3667
On April 08 2014 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, does anyone belive HF here? I could have bought it if he said that he forgot the "You win with the town" maybe but his explanation "oh I thought I and all the flipped people were 3p" is something only a cornered scum would pull out.


i didn't think the win with town bit meant town originally and i thought i was 3p because palmar said at the start of d1 or something "i dont know what alignment i am hosts won't tell me" and i thought to myself "oh that must mean im 3p too then" because i thought it would just say i was town in my pm but it didn't
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:43 GMT
#3668
On April 08 2014 04:41 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
look it's irrelevant you know what i am

i'm a blue dimensional lemming and i changed it to a pm game? why would i claim a role that was traditionally a mafia role in the thread if i wasn't town that would just be retarded
How is that retarded?


because i wouldn't know that powers can be any alignment this game if im scum so i'd assume it would be a mafia power if i was mafia.......... as i only checked the mafia awards and it said it was a mafia role
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:44 GMT
#3670
hence why i've called palmar a 3p multiple times rather than town
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:44 GMT
#3672
On April 08 2014 04:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Yeah and obviously marv and Foolishness and rayn and Kita all were 3p too. Because there are more 3p in this game than other factions.


believe what you want
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:45 GMT
#3676
yes ok vote me off and see that i'm town and then follow my list
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:45 GMT
#3677
doesn't honestly bother me
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:47 GMT
#3678
On April 08 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2014 04:41 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
look it's irrelevant you know what i am

i'm a blue dimensional lemming and i changed it to a pm game? why would i claim a role that was traditionally a mafia role in the thread if i wasn't town that would just be retarded
How is that retarded?


because i wouldn't know that powers can be any alignment this game if im scum so i'd assume it would be a mafia power if i was mafia.......... as i only checked the mafia awards and it said it was a mafia role
Wait, what?

Why is what you did, "Hey guys I'm softhard claiming dimensional lemming" retarded to do as mafia?


i've never seen dimensional lemming in a game before so the only knowledge i have is that it's a mafia role (if i was mafia) and also the fact that i checked the awards thread where lemming was voted best mafia role. So there is no knowledge that lemming COULD be town in this game so there is 0% chance that i would risk claiming lemming this game if i was mafia at the start of the game onwards, that's why it would be retarded (to me at least)
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:51 GMT
#3684
I made the list myself in pm land and sent it to everyone and updated the 1 or 2 i wasn't sure on, generally people agree on it
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:53 GMT
#3687
On April 08 2014 04:52 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:47 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2014 04:44 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 04:43 Holyflare wrote:
On April 08 2014 04:41 austinmcc wrote:
On April 08 2014 04:34 Holyflare wrote:
look it's irrelevant you know what i am

i'm a blue dimensional lemming and i changed it to a pm game? why would i claim a role that was traditionally a mafia role in the thread if i wasn't town that would just be retarded
How is that retarded?


because i wouldn't know that powers can be any alignment this game if im scum so i'd assume it would be a mafia power if i was mafia.......... as i only checked the mafia awards and it said it was a mafia role
Wait, what?

Why is what you did, "Hey guys I'm softhard claiming dimensional lemming" retarded to do as mafia?


i've never seen dimensional lemming in a game before so the only knowledge i have is that it's a mafia role (if i was mafia) and also the fact that i checked the awards thread where lemming was voted best mafia role. So there is no knowledge that lemming COULD be town in this game so there is 0% chance that i would risk claiming lemming this game if i was mafia at the start of the game onwards, that's why it would be retarded (to me at least)
SO HERE'S WHY I ASK

You were softhard claiming this on D1. A bunch. This is a 30 person game. 29 of the people are NOT YOU.

And the ENTIRE time you're doing this, how many people said "dimensional lemming was a mafia role last time, therefore HF is mafia."

I believe the answer is 0. If it's higher, it's like 1-2 max.

You have straight up evidence from this game that people don't just connect a role that's been mafia once to being mafia always. How can you think it would be otherwise? You can't honestly say it's retarded and people would think this when you KNOW they don't, because THEY JUST DIDN'T.


yes that's fine to say when it's already happened but if i'm mafia why would i think they would agree that it's not alignment indicative if the only evidence is that it's only been a scum role!?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 19:59 GMT
#3691
look austin i don't care, i'm talking about the past "it would have been retarded to claim" is implied to be retarded to claim at the start of the day 1 i'm not talking about now
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:00 GMT
#3692
you can think i'm mafia till the cows come home but it doesn't change the fact that i'm not mafia
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:11 GMT
#3695
On April 08 2014 05:03 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2014 04:59 Holyflare wrote:
look austin i don't care, i'm talking about the past "it would have been retarded to claim" is implied to be retarded to claim at the start of the day 1 i'm not talking about now
You DID claim D1 with all your questions.

You stood up in front of 29 people and said "I really like animals that live in water, and swim, and have gills, animals that we can cook and eat, animals that are grouped into a category that starts with the letter F"

29 people just looked at you

You stood up in front of 29-x people the next day and said "It would be stupid for anyone to say they liked Fish. Because people who like Fish in the past have been mafia."



We all KNEW you meant you liked fish on D1. And we just looked at you, we didn't call you mafia. So it's entirely illogical for you to think, today, that saying you like fish makes people think you're mafia.





BUT THAT'S EVEN BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE MY REAL PROBLEM IS BEFORE THIS WHOLE BIT.



no, i'm saying i got my role pm, it was blue, it doesn't say i'm town at all it just says i win with town so i'm like, that's weird wording but whatever what game shall i make it that's town favoured? i see palmar say it doesn't say his alignment, i think to myself! hey mine doesn't say that either, maybe i'm just like palmar! it doesn't say i'm town so maybe i'm 3p! check op - it says there are some 3p's where it says win with town, ok whatever i guess i am 3p!

in the meantime i go to awards thread and look for top town rated themed games, see lemming as mafia rated top game role, see games i dont really want to use here because it could go wrong, ask around in thread more and more, decide pm game!

lynch gumshoe, gumshoe has power, gumshoe is green, confirms my thoughts that i'm 3p because green people have powers too! keirathi, marv, foolishness and kita die! hey their powers are all weird not totally towny powers and they are all blue, maybe it's a super game with lots of 3p's! (drunk out of my mind on weekend too so not really paying attention)! game is pm game now, pm nobody, get pm'd by town heros, make good list of scum

here we are
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:12 GMT
#3696
missed out the bit where oats says va is obviously scum because he claimed scum power - i say powers aren't alignment indicative

that happens after i read award thread
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:22 GMT
#3701
look austin honestly i'm not going to defend myself anymore, i've got scum to find and you can shoot me or lynch me or do whatever you want with me if there's doubt in your mind, i don't care! i wasn't invested in this game over the weekend so everything i checked was just blurs on my phone while i was out

On April 08 2014 02:02 Holyflare wrote:
The list!

1. Keirathi
2. Djodref - likely modkill
3. Holyflare
4.Tehpoofter
5. Koshi
6. raynpelikoneet
7. marvellosity
8. Dandel Ion
9. syllogism
10. iamperfection
11. kitaman27
12. Oatsmaster
13. strongandbig
14. VisceraEyes
15. austinmcc - from multiple sources outside
16. Amiko
17. Hopeless1der
18. justanothertownie - someone trustworthy thinks this guy is town, but i'm not convinced
19. WaveofShadow
20. LSB
21. Paperscraps - someone trustworthy thinks this guy is town, but i'm not convinced
22. Killing
23. Foolishness
24. VayneAuthority
25. Palmar
26. yamato77
27. IAmRobik
28. sandroba
29. gumshoe
30. Blazinghand



this is my updated list
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:24 GMT
#3702
i know how it always is and all those games said you are a town X if you were blue so i assumed this game was different, oh the humanity!

tell me what's wrong in my list if you think "it's bad" like you've stated and when i flip town you can be accountable for your reads
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:34 GMT
#3712
On April 08 2014 05:31 austinmcc wrote:
Well, for one, everyone is green and apparently there was a big difference between green and blue in your mind

I would color JAT townie. He's on the right track here, he looked alright to me previously. The only hesitation is him not wanting a syllo shot and then being perfectly fine with syllo as a lynch option, but he can go to the bottom of a townpile, as I was townie myself on syllo D1 (although I didn't flop from townie --> good lynch like JAT seems to have (before the whole visitation and poofter check junk).

I color poofter only slightly less town, not as a lynch for today, but to follow his checks and make sure he's doing what he says he's doing. Syllo is a very visible player, and became SUPER visible today. If scum think they're going to lose him soonish no matter what, and poofter looks iffy, he's fine to say he's got a red check on syllo.

I would color rayn honorary red for killing a townie.

I think I like that WoS read, not sure on that hopeless one.


isn't poofter getting nuked by syllo.............................?
Holyflare
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom30775 Posts
April 07 2014 20:44 GMT
#3722
On April 08 2014 05:39 strongandbig wrote:
austin you've been talking a lot about this holyflare role confusion thing but why does it make him scum

break down the scenario for me

like, are you trying to say it's a literal scumslip because he didnt know how the town wincon was phrased? or is there something more than that?


it doesn't make sense because

A) if i was mafia, i wouldn't have that same notion that "blue's might be 3p in this game because it doesn't say they are town" unless my pm was phrased similarly

B) there is no mafia reasoning at all other than jat bringing up stuff about "in my pm it says about winning with town" which also applies to what i thought was 3p role pm's (op says about 3p's winning with town etc.)

so in no position does anything i've said imply that i've slipped up or anything, just that i was wrong about the colour blue and them being town/3p which has nothing to do with being mafia regardless

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