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sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 05 2014 17:45 GMT
#2921
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
April 05 2014 17:46 GMT
#2922
On April 06 2014 02:45 sandroba wrote:
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.

Both of you are responsible.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 05 2014 17:51 GMT
#2923
On April 06 2014 02:45 sandroba wrote:
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.

I think people were following you,not marv. Already know marv is town. Trying to find nore people to clear
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
April 05 2014 17:55 GMT
#2924
Apparently noone knows when I'm joking to dodge the bad lynch. Yes I know it was my fault, dammit
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 05 2014 18:00 GMT
#2925
On April 06 2014 02:55 sandroba wrote:
Apparently noone knows when I'm joking to dodge the bad lynch. Yes I know it was my fault, dammit

Everyone knows, we just want to relentlessly hammer you for it anyway

<3
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
April 05 2014 18:00 GMT
#2926
On April 06 2014 02:55 sandroba wrote:
Apparently noone knows when I'm joking to dodge the bad lynch. Yes I know it was my fault, dammit

Nuh uh, it was totally my fault.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 05 2014 18:00 GMT
#2927
On April 06 2014 02:55 sandroba wrote:
Apparently noone knows when I'm joking to dodge the bad lynch. Yes I know it was my fault, dammit

Leading a lynch on townie the way you did is townie. It would only be scummy if it was me who led a mislynch
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 05 2014 18:08 GMT
#2928
Amiko, do you have any 3p partners?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 05 2014 18:17 GMT
#2929
On April 06 2014 02:39 sandroba wrote:
koshi can you talk in the qt?

ofc I can
I had a good night of sleep.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 05 2014 18:25 GMT
#2930
Going to just go through a player's filter per post and note what I find suspicious/townie

Starting with Syllo

So, the best way I've found to read Syllo is how he pushes lynches/suspicions. As either alignment, he is capable of looking inquisitive and as if he's trying to figure out the game. However, if he's town, his mafia reads are much more fleshed out and he pursues them obviously throughout.

On April 03 2014 17:31 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 15:36 Tehpoofter wrote:
Why haven't we pushed the button yet? Seems like a good idea.

On April 03 2014 12:50 justanothertownie wrote:
On April 03 2014 12:47 Keirathi wrote:
It seems like Killing's basic argument boils down to something like this:

*Teacher puts 2 math problems on the board*

Guy 1: "Can you explain that first one again? I don't get it."

Teacher: "Okay, here you go!"

Guy 1: "Thanks, I got it now."

...................

Guy 2: "Wait, why didn't you ask for the explanation to both the problems? WHAT IS GOING ON WHY ARE YOU FAKING IT?"

Guy 1: "Because I only didn't understand the first one."

Guy 2: "DIE SCUM LIAR".

Ok, but Guy 2 is a tool then.


Naa its just joey you're have to excuse him he's canadian. Ask him about numbers that gets his pee-pee going.


On April 03 2014 11:34 Keirathi wrote:
FWIW, my problem with Robik is how hyper-sensitive he's been. One mention of his name and he's all like "Are you trying to kill me?" Or "Dandel is singling me out!" (which wasn't the case out all).

It's just super defensive for no reason. Is he just always like that?


Only when he's mafia.

On April 03 2014 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ACtually i don't even care. I won't get lynched in a game where marv is too or if i do you can straight up lynch him next.


O really? Can't lynch you huh? ##Vote: Raynpelikoneet

This post feels awkward to me even as a troll. In the subsequent post you postulate that, based on your video mafia experience, robik is really excited as town and you aren't seeing that here yet. You have at least some previous forum mafia experience, so I've a hard time believing that you can't see the difference between the formats. Was your genuine expectation that Robik's post would immediately convey the same kind of excitement and do you actually think that he has "quit"? That is, do you think that Robik was serious when he said he "would be back on day 2"?


Here is his first post, and what I think is his first read. Obviously it isn't a strong one, but I wonder if he follows up.

On April 03 2014 21:43 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 19:41 marvellosity wrote:
On April 03 2014 19:34 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 16:20 Paperscraps wrote:
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.unusual play his find I ,about talked be not need that bond special a shard we Although .warranted t'wasn really it when ,me defended also He .awkward is it press to wanting to ,button the defending from switch His .game this scum be could VisceraEyes

.do can item the what on updated all you keep will I .ways uncontrollable and weird in affected being is speech my that is it having to downside The .power great of item an found have I ,searching my In

I fucking hate you Daniel.

For those of you having trouble reading this post, I'm pretty sure that the whole thing needs to be read from the bottom up and from right to left (obv), otherwise the context doesn't make sense.

I'd also like to mention, that I think Daniel posting like this is absolute bullshit, but you TL people would probably have a better handle of whether Greymist would make someone go through all this effort of typing in reverse. That's really fucking hard to do and I'm not sure that that would actually be a game mechanic, but knowing Daniel, that's something that he'd do to make the game more fun/interesting/difficult for himself

I think Greymist could do this.

More pertinently, it seems like a fuckton of effort to go through to write everything backwards. It's not something I'd ever see myself doing unnecessarily (as mafia presumably) because fuck that shit.

It takes no effort at all. In fact, if you go here, copy paste his post and choose "flip wording", you get a perfectly normal post with no errors at all, spacing and all. That suggests it was done automatically rather than manually. Did this not occur to you?

It is reasonable to believe that Greymist would realize such tools are available and I don't think it's likely he that would make a role with a posting restriction that takes no effort on the part of the person with the role. It also just makes the game more annoying to read and as far as I know, there are no previous Greymist roles with posting restrictions. If you agree, do you think this says something about Paperscraps?



He offers up more information here, similar to his first post, but fails to come to any conclusions of his own. He's being "helpful", but I don't see any direction with his posting.

On April 03 2014 23:07 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 22:59 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:30 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:19 IAmRobik wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:17 Palmar wrote:
On April 03 2014 22:14 IAmRobik wrote:
I hate that Palmar is town this game.


I learned new term in awful foreign land. ROBIK IS TMI-ING PRETTY HARD NOW.

Although I can't verify, not sure i'm town.

TMI = too much info?

Did I TMI when I called you out as mafia instantly? You still give me 0 fucking credit. Fucking pathetic

Initially, you think I'm weak. So you call me mafia.

Then you realize, I am strong. You must try to win my favor.

I am sorry Robik, I don't believe in violence. But we must investigate. Investigation shall be performed using a rope and a tree. I hope this does not come between us.

I mean. If you are town then you're trying to lynch another town, so that's playing against your win-con. I know mine says something along the lines of I win with town.

I don't need to win anyone's favor. I'm not here to make friends. I'm not here to make anyone feel good about themselves. I'm here because I like competition and because I want to win. I am town, thus I'm trying to solve the game. I don't think you're a strong player. I was told by Mattchew that you're good, but I didn't see any good town play from you in Foundations and I was able to determine that you were mafia based off of one measly sentence in Heavyweight Champ.

You are clearly smart so you know mafia is a game of incomplete information and thus townie attempting to lynch a townie is unavoidable. So why are you saying something like this? It looks off to me; something a carleess mafia is more likely to say than a smart townie.

As for the rest, the best way to win as either alignment is by making friends, even if just for the duration of the game.


There's a few posts like this in his filter where it's just "general game advice". He seems to suggest there in the bolded that Robik could be "careless mafia" for this, yet I don't understand the tone of the rest of this post (and it's predecessor, also aimed at Robik) with that read in mind.

On April 04 2014 17:28 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 20:28 Tehpoofter wrote:
@those awake currently what are your thoughts on Oats/ WoS?

This looks strange given that Oats is/was one of your strongest town reads. What were you hoping to gain from asking this question?

Robik: As I understand it, you are a bit more familiar with tehpoofter's play. He understandably was fixated on you early on, but hasn't really been doing anything since then besides asking, from my perspective, unfocused questions. On the other hand, he seems carefree; what do you think?


Here he follows up on both threads so far, somewhat, by asking Robik what he thinks of Poof. I suppose this counts as continuity, at least.

On April 05 2014 02:41 syllogism wrote:
The difference in effort Gumshoe has put in cell mini and this game is drastic. Him saying that he sometimes decides to be lazy if a game doesn't interest him isn't sufficient given the contrast. Does his QT content look any better?

Gumshoe: I'm not expecting miracles from your answer, but could you attempt to enunciate as to why this game doesn't interest you?


Obviously angling for a gumshoe vote.

On April 05 2014 04:46 syllogism wrote:
Gumshoe has made 39 posts in the other game since his last one in here and the lynch deadline in that game isn't even today.
I'm leaving in 30 minutes and it doesn't look like paperscraps lynch needs any help to reach majority, so that's where my vote is going.

##vote Gumshoe


This seems off, especially with the bolded.

On April 05 2014 05:05 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 05:02 Holyflare wrote:
On April 05 2014 05:02 syllogism wrote:
Kita is right about the discrepancy between gumshoe's activity in cell mini/doctor who being almost as large as in here/cell. Hard to contextualize the activity, but it does weaken my point. Perhaps tehpoofter is a better lynch.


are you disregarding paperscraps who literally just said "i can't be bothered to defend"?

No, paperscraps is a good lynch, but that remark was in the context of the best use of my vote given that that lynch isn't going to need any help and I won't be here to switch later.


Consistent, but still iffy. Why wouldn't he just vote for the majority?

On April 05 2014 05:02 syllogism wrote:
Kita is right about the discrepancy between gumshoe's activity in cell mini/doctor who being almost as large as in here/cell. Hard to contextualize the activity, but it does weaken my point. Perhaps tehpoofter is a better lynch.


We see the beginnings of a switch, but he doesn't commit here.

On April 05 2014 05:57 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2014 05:41 sandroba wrote:
Still not liking the paperscraps lynch. I'm inclined to go with tehpoofer if we can get enough support.
That exchange with him and marv where he says he doesn't trust marv, therefore won't be voting paper is already a mafia tell, making assossiative reads with imcoplete information and not even reading the content of the case. But then he goes and does a complete 180 votes paper and vanishes after marv pressures him a bit.

His initial Robik read also feels disingenuous.

Show nested quote +
On April 03 2014 15:53 Tehpoofter wrote:
As for really non-trolly reads. I think that iamrobik might be scum. In video mafia when hes town hes really excited and throws out town reads left and right and he started to do that but then he had his mafia tell where he just quits... I think if he rolled mafia it would be a good cop out for not posting a lot as mafia to have this fight with Dand(although robert does just have a temper we will see). I also wasn't terribly swayed by his case on iamp.

This was very early into the game and the bolded doesn't actually have anything to do with this game. Could he have genuinely felt that robik had started giving out town reads, but then quit doing that at that stage of the game? That just seems like a blatant misrepresentation.

##unvote
##vote Tehpoofter


Again, we see his vote leaving the majority pack and heading off to no-man's-land. Why would he switch now instead of earlier, when he noted the weakness of his gumshoe read and the possibility of poofter being a better lynch?

Overall, I don't feel that he's made a strong read on any one person. His attempts at finding a lynch seem weak, and I don't like the timing of his voting. Fairly suspicious of syllo right now.
Writer@WriterYamato
Killing
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada530 Posts
April 05 2014 18:25 GMT
#2931
ooooooooooo do me
Paperscraps
Profile Joined March 2010
United States639 Posts
April 05 2014 18:26 GMT
#2932
.3p or mafia probably is He .not think I !?!?COINCIDENCE ?4 number the and it between space a have t'doesn that OP the in name only the ,name s'Tehpoofter is why instance For

!questions hard the asking start to need We
"Because in the end, the only way we can measure the significance of our own lives is by valuing the lives of others.” - David Gale
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
April 05 2014 18:32 GMT
#2933
Ok. Im switching off of joey. Hes no longer part of my top town list. Ill let you know in a bit who not to use night actions on
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 05 2014 18:34 GMT
#2934
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

On April 06 2014 02:51 IAmRobik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 02:45 sandroba wrote:
Clearly it wasn't me. It was marv actually.

I think people were following you,not marv. Already know marv is town. Trying to find nore people to clear


^^more town posts like this please robik so I can stop feeling uneasy about you (note this is a read on robik only cause this is how he talks in these definite statements and he does as town play to clear town first)

On April 05 2014 18:33 Holyflare wrote:
Pretty odd that gumshoe got a majority in 20 mins that was higher than the majority on paperscraps that was there all day.


I wasn't around at EoD or I probably would have voted gumshoe to just get a lynch for information so not going to fault people that were getting a lynch done.

I'd like to know people that did jump on the gumshoe train and not paperscrapes what was the main reason for selecting gum over paper?

I think its odd what HF says that there was a lynch for most of the day with a strong showing and someone like marv pushing it (who I read as town now since I think I might be reading robik more town I no longer get that associative read on marv) What was people's hesitance? The easy solution is paperscraps is scum and his partners didn't want to bus him early. My only problem with that is if a strong player like marv is putting heat on a teammate who is posting backwards (im guessing as a troll) its not a huge loss to your team to bus at that point in a setup like this cause you gain some townie cred for getting maf day 1. Now ideally you wouldn't want to bus but if you can say "hey I was the 15th vote guys on the scum gg I'm confirmed" afterwards its harder to lynch you.

TLDR: 1) Ez game Paper is scum and his team didn't want to bus
2) Paper is town and the case wasn't strong enough so mafia felt nervous jumping on and hammering.

Also I don't get the whole horses thing. Its not a mechanic I'm use to and put me in this camp

On April 06 2014 00:44 Killing wrote:
We should have just lynched Amiko so we could get his role pm and find out wtf horses do.


Lastly:

+ Show Spoiler +
On April 06 2014 01:52 Palmar wrote:
Also here is an interesting tidbit. I know for a fact based on information I have from the mod regarding my role that there are no showers here. However Balla said something about a shower at some point in the game.


There is no showers and now no rayn.... how will we clean out any radiation that hits the town. /end bad pun.


yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 05 2014 18:38 GMT
#2935
Sandro

My first impression says that he's town. At the very least, I want to confirm this and also see if there is anything in his filter I can use to point me in the right direction.

On April 04 2014 09:55 sandroba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2014 09:51 kitaman27 wrote:
On April 04 2014 09:38 sandroba wrote:
I'm town. I'd like some non bullshit reads or insights on syllo, marv and holyflare.


Aren't you the resident syllo expert?

Based on my experience, syllo feels uncomfortable posting actively as mafia. He hasn't been very open with reads so far so I think he looks the worst of the three. Usually I'm convinced he is town a few minutes into the game and that hasn't happened yet.

With marv, I liked his defense of LSB because he seems like an easy target based on his poor filter and he indeed does often look terrible. His post to reads ratio is good enough for me that he seems town for the time being. Eventually I'm going to want to see some stronger reads/follow-up though.

Holy maybe has a cool role? Takes the same view as I do on paper. No strong read yet.

I'm supposed to be, but I can't tell either way so far. I'll see if he does something useful tomorrow besides coaching people on anger management, if he doesn't there is reason to be worried.
I get it that palmar wants to spam the thread and I'm not sure if he is mafia for it yet, but holy enabling him feels out of character from the little I've seen from him.
Marv just seems flat out useless so far.


I really like this post from sandro. Just, everything about it seems good. I like that it reinforces my idea of what to think about syllo as well.

On April 04 2014 10:10 sandroba wrote:
Besides the palmar thing, his "reads" are for the most part opposite of mine and he is supposed to be good at this game. Also he has done nothing other than spam one liners with apparently very little thought put into them. It may be somehow minor, but I remember him being quite proud of his mafia playing abilities and his comment downplaying himself with oats seems like scum behavior to me.


I like that he seems so weary of Holy. I caught the same feelings early on and I definitely think there's something worth looking at there. Going to filter HF next for sure.

On April 06 2014 02:21 sandroba wrote:
LSB I think is auto scum every time he posts in any game I've been in. I feel that way this game too. Maybe you better ask someone who can actually read the dude correctly.


I totally forgot LSB exists. He called me mafia early on, Going to have to look at that guy too.

If it isn't obvious, I think Sand is town. The posts I point out aren't even the whole story, but just a casual read of his filter is evidence enough. He's definitely trying to figure the game out, and is definitely playing in an unmistakably townie mindset.
Writer@WriterYamato
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 05 2014 18:42 GMT
#2936
On April 06 2014 03:25 Killing wrote:
ooooooooooo do me



@killing no thanks. Secondly you want to lynch Amiko cause hes 3p? Do you have a scum read you'd like to lynch?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
April 05 2014 18:45 GMT
#2937
On April 06 2014 03:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

so mafia
I had a good night of sleep.
Tehpoofter
Profile Joined October 2013
United States2911 Posts
April 05 2014 18:47 GMT
#2938
On April 06 2014 03:45 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 03:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

so mafia


I don't think he is mafia anymore by the way hes playing this is what I expected from his town so I disagree that he is mafia.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
April 05 2014 18:52 GMT
#2939
On April 06 2014 03:47 Tehpoofter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2014 03:45 Koshi wrote:
On April 06 2014 03:34 Tehpoofter wrote:
I finally caught up with the thread. I can't decide if Robik started playing like hes town because hes town or because I called him out on not playing his town game.

so mafia


I don't think he is mafia anymore by the way hes playing this is what I expected from his town so I disagree that he is mafia.

Yeah... I doubt he was talking about Robik here.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
April 05 2014 18:52 GMT
#2940
btw guys mind blown.

Rapunzel can be seen entering the castle in frozen on Elsa's coronation day.
Computer says mafia
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