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On April 02 2014 03:57 Koshi wrote: I don't understand this. Explain the not happy face. On April 02 2014 03:59 Koshi wrote: Hmm. I will start sign my post. Maybe rayn will as well. Previous post was me as well. -Koshi- So anybody got an idea for how we will do this? dat fail. | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:00 prplhz wrote: so you and rayn will post from separate accounts? and not use raynpelikonoshi (or whatever that was) I sign Koshi does not have to if he forgets. On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote: so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure. dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. I like this idea. I like this post in total as a guideline. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:02 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Palmar is probably the player I have the hardest time reading in this game. It's going to be hard trying to figure the scum in my own cell, even. Well, you only need to read the other guy in your cell to know Palmar alignment. *looks at the other player* Coag *oops* | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:13 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Because lynching by coinflip is such a popular strategy on this site, right? And then kush is half of the other one lol... So my very first impression: If I wasn't in this group (let's just say, Group 6), my first-guess order would be 3 -> 4 -> 2 -> 5 -> 1. I think I'll have an easier time with reading the people in the last two groups - I've played with them more recently, or they're just more straightforward overall. Especially rayn, koshi and gum. As a member of group 3 I still like that order because I don't have to play for a long time, although Coag's not too unpredictable, kush you can usually see once you wade past all the bullshit, and Palmar... I'll think of something. Group 2 is my neutral people - Holyflare is the only one I've had experience with. Group 4 really depends on how erratic Slam becomes over the course of the game. Red and green, which is it? Do you want the groups with people you have an easy time reading to go before you or do you want to go first? If you can read certain people why don't you want those groups go before you? Why instead offer yourself to go first, as if you read the people you can read correctly and lynch mafia your group will become easier to figure out later as you become obviously town. I don't get this post Sentinel, it's really messy. What do you want here? ~rayn | ||
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Do you consider yourself unreadable? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town. I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). So what's the problem? Palmar is also perfectly readable, if not to you to many other people. Regardless of if Coag is readable or not your group should be easy to figure out. If you are town why do you want to get yourself "out of the game"? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:47 prplhz wrote: dunno, i like his activity so far and he seems interested in the game. we also agreed on cell 4 first though apparently for different reasons but i don't mind that because his reasons are alright too. i'm okay with him for now. You just said he seems kinda scummy. ~rayn | ||
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Townie points for the person who first tells why. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote: Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote: So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die. I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it. You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever). But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote: No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. Why does prplhz's "stance" mean anything? That's not what i read. Or, it's what i read but what i read between the lines is "prplhz doesn't care about who the mayor is and if prplhz talks about mayor election or who should be the mayor much in this game he is probably scum because he didn't care about it". I agree it does not matter shit who the mayor is. So can you now explain why it matters and if you can't why are you talking about this shit? You are starting to annoy me. ~rayn | ||
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Reasoning: You don't policy lynch in this setup. You don't even think about it because you can read the other two people in the group and decide the lynch based on reads on those people. There is no way geript brings up some fluff like policy lynches as town. Not in this game. The post prplhz quoted is full of nothing, policies after policies. The post is nothing and says nothing useful. ~rayn | ||
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Here you go, you get to be the mayor. The only policy that is allowed this game is that we lycnh the fuck out of you if you don't docide the order as the town says. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:35 prplhz wrote: wait is cav WoS? Cavalinho has played in Cultured mini mafia and the latest newbie game and a one newbie game a month ago or so. 3 games in total, not WaveofShadow. ~rayn | ||
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You claimed scum. I can aswell see if someone else wants to claim scum and not do what the wants to, you sure won't. ~rayn | ||
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A townie would want to find and lynch the mafia in HF/Palmar's groups and then when they flip red you can trust Palmar/HF's reads. Direct scumclaim. ~rayn | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 02 2014 05:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote: fuck that geript post is bad. ~rayn[/QUOTE] We're going to have to rumble if you don't think I'm autotown. 1) Like at first I thought Koshi was town for being excited to post 2) then I wasn't sure because I don't know if Koshi would be excited to post as scum. Then you +1'd the bad prplhz post. Now you don't like my post. I'm seriously reconsidering moving your group up to first if you don't explain this.[/QUOTE 1) You thought I was town based on my post this game. 2) You don't think I am town because some meta reason that you didn't check. (So you go back on your townread for a reason that you basically pulled straight out of your ass.) I didn't check the things you said about rayn his posts. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:27 getmoript wrote: We're going to have to rumble if you don't think I'm autotown. 1) Like at first I thought Koshi was town for being excited to post 2) then I wasn't sure because I don't know if Koshi would be excited to post as scum. Then you +1'd the bad prplhz post. Now you don't like my post. I'm seriously reconsidering moving your group up to first if you don't explain this. 1) You thought I was town based on my post this game. 2) You don't think I am town because some meta reason that you didn't check. (So you go back on your townread for a reason that you basically pulled straight out of your ass.) I didn't check the things you said about rayn his posts. | ||
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On April 02 2014 05:57 prplhz wrote: i agree it's horrendously dumb but that really doesn't mean that he's scum. Yes it does. Noone thinks like that as town. It's impossible. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn | ||
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I FOYU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE FUCKING BRAINLESS! ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: Disagree, Getmoript is beyond alignment, he is niether town nor maf and should def be my deputy mayor. I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Well i don't have any thoughts on him because he has made one non-alignment indicative post. Comments on my case on getmoript? ~rayn | ||
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We are not scum. I can already spoil the fact that rayn thinks you are scum. I can also predict the future and see you 2 shitting up the thread massively. pro-tip: Don't shit up the thread calling us scum. It's going to be disastrous for town & this game looks pretty hard for town. pro-tip2: That big badly formatted post makes me think you might be town. Simply because it is bigger than anything in survivor. protip3: yelling you are obv town doesn't make you town because you did that in survivor. starting a case with this guy is scum. I am clearly town is ridiculous and ruins a lot of your credibility with me. Because I already know that this guy is town. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:33 getmoript wrote: Me wanting to lynch HF is 100% not alignment indicative and you know that. We both know he can bus hard as scum and we both know his town game is decent. Me wanting to lynch him is more me wanting to lynch him. Like, obviously if I have a scumread on one of the other two, then I'm going to lynch my scumread. That's not going to make me want to policy lynch HF anyless. More than policy lynching him though, I 100% don't like him living past day 1; he's fully capable of pied pipering the town into stupidity as scum and one that I don't trust allowing him to live. As for policy lynching palmar, it's something that I think is useful but that really depends on where the game is at when he comes up for lynch. Like if we're up 2-0 and I don't have a good read on any of those 3, then I want to lynch Palmer because we get to know that his opinions are trustworthy for the last 2 lynches. If it's 1-1, then it's a good bit tougher. Obviously if it's 0-2 then you go to lynch scum. It's something I've been thinking of since he joined but knew would depend on who's in his group and what the situation would be and (of course my alignment). It's by no means a flat out, LYNCH PALMER WITH FIRE TO GET INFORMATION UNDER EVERY CIRCUMSTANCE POLICY LYNCH. It's a strategy to maximize information but clearly situation dependent on where/when his group comes up and where we're sitting int he game. ~g No you just said you want to policy lynch them. You can't policy lynch them and lynch someone else. So you agree your first post was literally full of shit? This one: + Show Spoiler + On April 02 2014 05:02 getmoript wrote: So I've skimmed so far. Cell 1 Raynpelikonoshi--Very tempted to lynch because I can't read Koshi and I don't think Rayn has called me super town yet Gumshoe--solid player with alright reads generally but pretty obvious as scum Steveling--??? Cell 2 Holyflare-scum Tehpoofter--very good player, still adjusting to forum, low volume poster mderg--????? Cell 3 Palmar--strong player Sentinel--I don't really remember him much Coagulation--Policy lynch option, both lurkers Cell 4 Balla24--meh LSB--meh Alakaslam--likely scum Cell 5 Getmoript--clearly town, great at endgame, super stronk townie prplhz--decent player, generally low volume, scummy first post Cephiro--solid playler Rayn I'm having a hard time reading Koshi... Why wouldn't he push himself for mayor on D1/0 whatever it is today? Like Cell 2 is obviously the best first lynch. HF busses as scum and has ok reads as town. I'd love to policy lynch him and under no circumstances should he ever be allowed to mid-late game. Cell 3 should be the third lynch 100%. Palmar is someone who, for lack of a better lynch, we can lynch and then sheep his reads; I'm tempted to move this up to slot 2 because Palmer tends to get worse as time goes on. Cell 4 should probably be the second lynch though because they're mostly unreadable and I want to lynch Alakaslam so that makes that pretty easy. Cell 1 is clearly next because me and rayn usually click on things and in case town hasn't won by then me and Rayn should easily be able to finish it off or I'll hammer Rayn to win the game for town. 2->4->3->1->5 is clearly the best pattern and me/Cav should 100% be the mayor. Like it's obvious, I refuse to let anyone else be the mayor and will policy lynch anyone who goes against me as mayor. ~rayn | ||
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geript is mafia. noone is this fucking stupid as town. absolustely noone. goodnight. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote: I am reading a hydra fight, so it's a bit hard to follow along, at the moment my thoughts on geript are this, he can present policy lynches, or lame mayor arguments as either alignment. Your a very logic driven player Rayn, you often believe that if something doesnt make sense it's coming from scum, but that always deserves a grain of salt especially in Geript's case. Basically I read him as town atm for driving himself into the spotlight and gladly offering opinions, because that is inherently townie behaviour. Things make sense from his perspective that dont to others, so I am also willing to buy his policy lynch stuff not coming from a place of malevolence. That is my opinion. HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE???? rofl ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:44 gumshoe wrote: THANK YOU. Dammit why dont other people get this? Because should not be decided right now. D2 can be set in stone. D1 can't. D1 should be the group that has 2 people that are incredible easy to read as town and are confirmed town. I think discussing a D1 lynch group should be done after 35h in this game. | ||
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Hey but lynching townies is okay! We need to be able to trust your reads! Remember geript. This is your logic, so why does it fail now? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:58 getmoript wrote: Know what, I'm a lock. Lynch me. Know prplhz is scum then lynch Rayn and Slam. Make me mayor and I'll set it up. Like no way Rayn is town here. Yeah you can stop posting now so we can actually talk about something that does not include shitlogic. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:59 prplhz wrote: @getript can you fix your huge dumb post or what On April 02 2014 05:57 raynpelikonoshi wrote: 1) You thought I was town based on my post this game. 2) You don't think I am town because some meta reason that you didn't check. (So you go back on your townread for a reason that you basically pulled straight out of your ass.) I didn't check the things you said about rayn his posts. ↓written by Geript No, it was based on the fact that you posted on your account early into the game. Like I was already logged onto this account and I think you're the type of player who really enjoys playing town. So posting early like that would be semi-alignment indicative of you rolling town this game. The problem is that I have a super hard time reading you and just trust Rayn on reading you honestly, the problem though is that I don't like rayn's posting this game and it's not like I can ask him for a read on you. So me not saying I think you're town (early when you posted) isn't a bullshit read, it's just an impression that I got but one that I dismissed because I don't think it's relaible and it'll be way easier for me to read rayn to get your alignment than it will for me to try and read you. [/QUOTE] On April 02 2014 05:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why does prplhz's "stance" mean anything? That's not what i read. Or, it's what i read but what i read between the lines is "prplhz doesn't care about who the mayor is and if prplhz talks about mayor election or who should be the mayor much in this game he is probably scum because he didn't care about it". I agree it does not matter shit who the mayor is. So can you now explain why it matters and if you can't why are you talking about this shit? You are starting to annoy me. ~rayn ↓written by Geript Specifically, this is why I think Rayn is scum. I'm clearly town here. Cav is clearly town here. Rayn not finding prplhz's stance odd and asking "Why does prplhz's stance mean anything" is a really bad question from him. He's played a number of PYPs etc and he's seen a number of very odd stances but I can't think of a single game where I've ever seen town come out and say, "Maybe this mechanic doesn't matter." It's not a stance where prplhz is flat out saying something like I did in PYPLOL, "The bans don't matter and I don't care about them. I'd rather use this time to find scum." It's not like the stance that Rayn took in that game either where, "Bans 100% matter and we should 100% ban out GF/Framer type roles." The fact that prplhz doesn't take a hard stance on either end is SUPER ODD. Rayn not helping to pressure prplhz more because of that is really questionable and Rayn 100% loves to chainsaw onto town to protect his scumbuddies. To explain more: VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect. On top of that, Rayn should 100% have a supertown read on me right now and should not have retracted his vote for me for mayor. Me/Cav are such obv town it's not even funny. Him not townreading me here when he 100% should is really sketchy. Plus when you read prplhz's filter like none of it makes any sense whatsoever. I have to go to work and would explain more but I'll let Cav step in and explain why you guys should clearly be voting GETMORIPT for mayor. ~g | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:03 getmoript wrote: Rayn is scum here he isn't though. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:12 gumshoe wrote: That is exceptionally optimistic of you Rayn to think well catch scum easy before day 1, but honestly if were playing it that way, day 1 should be someone whose alignment we need to know the most, not someone whose guaranteed scum, I mean if your so certain geript is mafia just put him in slot 3(so hes at least guaranteed to be killed before town loses) and have 1 and 2 reserved for people with large influence but questionable loyalties. seriously bro? Not guaranteed scum? D1 is not some fucking egotripping lynch in which we lynch the loudest townie who thinks he fucking solved the game. Which you seem to indicate. If anything we lynch scum in the group of the best D1 player in the game and are guaranteed that he and the third are townies and giving an honest opinion. Which goes back to LYNCH FUCKING SCUM AND NOTHING ELSE. | ||
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1) For defending geript. 2) For not wanting to lynch obvious scum but suggesting it is better to lynch a townie who thinks he solved the game. | ||
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If there is one thing i agree with geript it's that Slam is scum. geript if you are town stop the shitlogic and find scum. Right now your cases are based on you not reading properly and bad logic as pointed out multiple times. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:18 Palmar wrote: Sure, but it feels a lot easier to just have to read two filters really. I like the attention. This is dumb. Trading yourself for a lynch between 2. you got 48 hours to find 1 confirmed townie. 1 semi confirmed town. 1 scummy looking townie. in 1 groupd | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:24 gumshoe wrote: The goal for town is to win the game, those who blindly lynch those they THINK are scum rarely see the big picture and end up missing crucial points. If we had an honest guaranteed scum who wont tell us anything with his flip why kill him? Hes not going anywhere and it would be more important to use the lynch to answer questions. This is less true in other games because were not sure of all the variables, but here we know exactly how far we can push, the setup is utterly open and we need to catch relations(which are guaranteed to be there cause a third of us are scum) and encourage conversation to win, lynching "confirmed" scum does neither of these things. Honestly I'm just not convinced atm that Geript is scum / : so this whole conversation is irrelevant. I am also not convinced that geript is scum & this fact has nothing to do with the conversation we are having. What a silly statement to make. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:24 Palmar wrote: Yes but there's also the advantage that I don't really get lynched as town so we have a 50/50 shot of getting my group right. Btw does everyone in a group flip, or only the person lynched? only person that is lynched. | ||
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I am Koshi. you are really miles away from where I am on how to solve this game. MILES away. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:25 Palmar wrote: Why is slam mafia btw rayn? Not happy. Happy Slam is town, sad Slam is mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:30 prplhz wrote: i'm going to leave now because everybody is ignoring me also it's late I totes made geript his post readable for you. ps. I love how active you are. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:29 LSB wrote: I have no idea what town is to gain from lynching Slam first. I admit that I can't read slam, so I'd be perfectly fine bandwagon a little off your read, however you remove me and balla from the equation quickly. If you are that confident that slam is mafia, a day 4 ( 3rd lynch) of cell 4 would be best allowing me and balla to contribute for more days. grrr. Somewhere I agree even though I was yelling to lynch lynch 100% scum alway earlier. Balla looking pretty good to me. LSB got townread from rayn. Also I liked your post. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:32 LSB wrote: Holy shit this hydra thing is confusing. Rayn thinks geript is mafia, Koshi thinks he isn't. Or did I mis something? WTF Yes, hydras do not share a brain. The only thing they share is an account. So it's 2 possible different opinions all the way. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:32 LSB wrote: Holy shit this hydra thing is confusing. Rayn thinks geript is mafia, Koshi thinks he isn't. Or did I mis something? WTF I am not sure any more. For clarification. Here is from our QT: rayn: I suggest don't talk to geript. There is nothing good that can come out of him. Koshi: hmm seems like I don't remember shit from survivor. He isn't this aggressive at all there. Puts geript at null (for me) atm. Koshi: dat not posting, dat not talking to geriptKoshi: rayn: Yeah now i really stop. I don't know if he is town or scum i just want him to fucking stop posting. rayn: But i 100% agree with geript Alakaslam is mafia. But he might be bussing because he knows i know if Slam is scum or not from the beginning. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:33 Alakaslam wrote: Are we guaranteed a scum in each group? If so, that is why. Alakaslam. I see you decided to play a game. yay. Either Read the OP. Read the thread. Play the game. Otherwise Stick to not reading and posting nonsense. Don't do both because that is extremely scummy and we will lynch you. | ||
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On April 02 2014 07:34 raynpelikonoshi wrote: grrr. Somewhere I agree even though I was yelling to lynch lynch 100% scum alway earlier. Balla looking pretty good to me. LSB got townread from rayn. Also I liked your post. Koshi disagrees with Koshi. The D1 lynch will be the group in which we will have the highest % chance to hit scum. ALWAYS. | ||
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Because there is a chance your group will be up first. | ||
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On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote: Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote: "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. So your honest opinion is that you don't need to give away your alignment to anyone but everyone needs to do so to you? Also another question. We have 2 imaginary groups X and Y. In group X there is confimed mafia. In group Y there are 3 people who are all really hard to read. Which of the following scenarios in your opinion results more likely in 2 scumlynches: 1) Lynch the confirmed scum in group X, and have 96 hours to figure out the mafia in group Y, or 2) Figure out the mafia in group Y in 48 hours, then lynch the confirmed scum in group X ? | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:43 Palmar wrote: No, this is worse than the number picking part of pyp No it's not. I ahve already found 2 mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:45 Palmar wrote: like I haven't really read the thread but the current suggestion seems to be putting up unreadable players early and good players late? So we just lose straight up if we mislynch the unreadable people twice and the first good player batch happens to be a good player batch with a strong mafia player? I honestly don't think the order has any impact on the game at all. But I'm fine with being first. No the suggestion is we don't give a fuck about who is put up in any order yet and we scumhunt. At the end of this phase we put the order so that groups where there are very very likely to be found mafia get lynched first. So don't afk and scumhunt. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:48 Palmar wrote: Ok yeah, that's a lot better idea. Can I be mayor? sure ##vote Palmar ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 09:52 Palmar wrote: This game is really easy btw, can just read like 3 filters and you're guaranteed one of them is scum. Will start doing that tomorrow. I'll do one better. You only need to read Sentinel's filter and tell me if he is scum or town and why so i am pretty sure we won. ~rayn | ||
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On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote: Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote: "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:16 getmoript wrote: Which 2. Koshi you can answer this if Rayn isn't around. gumshoe and slam ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:25 Holyflare wrote: Regardless of the poofter read, mderg is just stating things and asking for explanation rather than pointing out and elaborating his own opinions and forming reads. I noticed this too. I asked Koshi what does he think of this mderg guy and he said it seemed strage how he came in straight up defending the one dude in our group. Too crazy that he instant defended a scumbuddy out of nowhere so if mderg guy ends up being scum gumshoe can die in a fire. It all fits! ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote: I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:45 Tehpoofter wrote: The summary of the plan Scum hunt outside your group openly and scum hunt inside your group privately until its your lynch day then bring it all out so that mafia has a harder time not connecting with their team. Drop this line of thinking right now. For other people they need to read 3 people in your group to find 1 mafia. For you you need to read only 2 people. You have advantage if you are town. If you share your thoughts on your cell aswell it gives other people a better read on you, which makes it easier for them to read you. Reads like "well this dude is town so this other dude must be scum" are shit and not worth sharing because it hinges on you being town and other people do not know if you are town or not, but legit reads. Always share. Makes my work solving the game much easier. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 10:47 Holyflare wrote: Read mdergs game i linked, read what i wrote. - 1 scum, next cell plz. read my filter. most likely +3 scum. Plammer group is mystery. | ||
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Slam not happy, Balla seems town and LSB too. gumshoe because he is unreasonably mad at me from the beginning, he also lies and has a completely different stance on "proving towniness" matter than in WHWC game. Steveling didn't say anything yet. geript makes awful cases, uses bad logic and wants to policy lynch people in a game where you don't need to policy lynch in any situation. prplhz looks okay and Ceph hasn't said anything. From the last group i have a read on Sentinel in a way or anohter but it's not strong so i don't want to elaborate more on that yet. Palmar could go either way until he talks more and so can Coag. I'm off to bed so talk more tomorrow. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 11:20 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm fine with that and honestly think its a good idea and stated so in my first post. It really bugs me you don't see my logic. This is the same thing like when I was talking about the lynch at the end of the Titanic game maybe I'm completely wrong but I like my idea. I'll explain it one last time, if I were scum all I would have to do is just read my own group over and over maybe get in a yelling match with a town in my group over days at a time spend it calling him scum and comment on nothing else so even if I do get flipped as scum I never commented on anyone else in my scum team and town would have gotten one scum but have no real leads from my end as to who to go on next. Where as if I am commenting the first day on people outside my group then get into a match like that on my lynch day I have left behind bread crumbs to find the rest of my scum team. Like this seems simple to me, I'm not saying I'm not scum hunting my group just that you shouldn't scum hunt your group (cause as multiple people have pointed out its the easiest place to read!) publicly the first day but other groups so there is forced connections. Nobody is asking you to comment ONLY on your group. We are asking you to comment on your group AND OTHER GROUPS, because we have 5 groups where each one has one mafia. If you are mafia you need to make up a shit read one one person in your group, so yes, it's fucking scummy to not comment on your own group. ~rayn | ||
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What you are doing is this: You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia. Can you see why it's scummy? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:13 gumshoe wrote:+ Show Spoiler + This is a few choice qoutes from Rayn's play in witchcraft 2, where he orchestrated a mislynch on me day 1. Looking the playerlist you are the guy i can work with the best. I can't read OO for shit. I hope Cephiro does not do dumb stuff like he did in Hogwarts. Lurk Sylencia = lynch, otherwise idk Sn0dude played really well in Hogwarts, i except that from him here aswell. gumshoe .... thrawn i misread on Desert until he actually started making sense, hope he does that too here Umasi was good in some game as town i think? Says nothing = lynch Onegu is tricky, damn he was tricky in Hogwarts. A guy to read closely. ET is town or scum at last N1, based purely on Hogwarts. hzflank i can read. Vanesco noob, no idea. contribute or die. and yeah, that's it. After second reading gumshoe's big post was really bad and could have been all said in 10 words. Apparently that was a fake post too.. I am also trying to be not pissed off with gumshoe but it's really hard.. Probably someone from gumshoe/Umasi/Onegu depending on what happens tomorrow. thrawn stared making sense. ##Vote: gumshoe just because i do not like anything he has said this game. bh no, i do not remember his play from Basterd. I remember he claimed on N1 but i don't even remember why. After that he has been modkilled for inactivity or soht because i accidently outed him as blue (in a game i somehow thought everyone was blue) while he did pretty much nothing. 50% of my case on him is that i want him to actually say something uselful and 50% is that what he has said is either faked for no reason or useless contributions or something that makes no sense to me. Pretty harsh on me in general, take a good look at that last qoute, notice how Rayn believes my meta works against me there? Next Compare all those lines to these ones that make up Rayn's current stance on me. I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn This next bit is one exchange between us. That last quote here also has my meta working against me and in general theres an overall tone of disdain once again in Rayn's voice, just like in Witchcraft, another funny thing is that I actually lied in witchcraft as well to try and bait scum, just like I did this game. Rayn knows exactly what I'm capable of and how to exploit that and of course he hammers me for it in this game just like hes done before. Witch gumshoe's contributions in Basterd have a clear point, are transparent and every time they reach to a hard conclusion. None of those things happen in this game and half of his filter anyways is useless because it's about fake case that either serves no purpose if he is town or he just fucked up and is making stuff up if he is scum. Cell So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. Next up, look at this recent game where were both town for comparison. gumshoe i am interested. Do you think Palmar is mafia? see gumshoe here is my problem. I am a player who asks questions, obviously. When i ask questions, assuming i am not questioning something i do not understand, there are expected answers: 1) scummy type of answer, or townie type of answer, or both 2) answer i did not expect which leads to further investigation Now i don't always expect people to understand why i do ask questions i do in the first place. That would defeat the purpose of my play in total. If you can tell what my question is going to achieve you know (as mafia) how you should be answering it. Right? So, my question to you is: I don't understand why do you assume Palmar should assume what i am thinking and why i ask what i do. How do you suggest town!Palmar should read me if he is not "allowed" to figure out my motives behind my posts? Or do you think it's reasonable to assume Palmar should have realized what i was after? Did you know what i expected town!gumshoe to answer when i asked you my question? I think the confusing part here is that gumshoe assumes/says Palmar thought i was scummy for my question and therefore questioned me. Not that Palmar was trying to get a read on me. gumshoe how do you ended up to this conclusion in the first place? Anyways that smiley makes me see red every time i see it, except for when gumshoe does it. Just because gumshoe is so adorable. I have been really really sure since i started telling him why i thought his case on Palmar was dumb and started explaining him what Palmar meant with his posts. Take note of the last quote, he thinks I'm town here because of dumb stubborn play, whats different this game Rayn? Also the tone, while still inquisitive, is much lighter than that of the excerpts from the first two sets listed. Scum like sure things, Rayn has had success beating me straight up before, he feels confident he can do it again. A good example of this kind of behaviour in scum is how Suki went after cav in cultured the same way she did in the first newbie game they played together. The prefer to tackle targets who they can beat, thats why from the get go Rayn has been spinning everything I say as scummy, watch how he twists what I say and do over and over again. HE WANTS TO FUCKING LYNCH TOWNIES!! SERIOUSLY GUMSHOE???? Here he attacks me for defending "confirmed scum" geript, of course Geript is not 100 percent scum and Rayn admits as much himself later on here, but that didnt stop him from using a shitty read to attack me via association. Heres another Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. What I mean here is that I suspect hes scum, therefore why do I need to tell him anything that would worsen my odds of catching him. Of course he zeros in on the "you dont owe me anything" part because thats what his agenda calls for, he will tear apart all my statements and alter to them just to make me look bad. Heres another example of Rayns twister skills. gumshoe which players from the playerlist would you consider unreadable? After I answer him honestly, Rayn comes back with this. So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. To adress the bolded first, he completley disregards cultured mafia, the game where Holy bussed his team and completley blind sided me/town, I had this much to say to Holy afterwards cant bilieve you massacred your team like that, dont listen to what anyone says (not that you would) that takes 3 testicles and no heart, wp sir. At the end of day I was willing to lynch every other person in the game (myself included probally) before you, and that sentiment carried through all the way to lylo. Hope we can play more games like this in the future ( : Of course, Rayn pretends this game never happens because it doesn't fit his narrative, and thats what hes doing guys, hes crafting a narrative, telling us all a bedtime story so he can slit our throats and steal our shit while we sleep. As for his point about me contradicting myself, first of all let me ask you, does inconsistency a scum make? No, motive and/or a lack of effort do and my actions suggest neither (I have contributed since games start and made suggestions that scum would pale at the mere thought of uttering). That said, hes twisting the truth here yet again. "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. I care what town thinks of me and I'm trying to prove my alignment through contribution, I do not however give a shit what my top scum read thinks and I will lie all day to him until he flips red or reasonably proves himself to be green. He twists this into me not caring about what town thinks as a whole, when in reality anyone who actually reads what I'm saying for themselves can pretty much tell that my words are directed at Rayn and Rayn alone. Ill end with the most damning bit of all, Rayn whole heartedly believes I am scum for false lackluster reasons, despite the fact that Steveling has yet to open his mouth. Thats because hes just accusing whoevers convinient for him, not trying to seriously consider whose scum. On paper I have a 50 percent chance of bieng scum to him, as he does to me, compare the two of our attempts at reading each other and see whose actually trying to figure out the others alignment and whose considering the possibility that Steveling might be the actual scummer. In both cases, that person is me, I am town, Rayn is 90 percent scum and steveling is 10 percent scum. The end. gumshoe: "The most daming thing is that rayn thinks I am scum while Steveling has yet to open his mouth, rayn and I should be 50/50 to each other, him pushing me as scum is scummy. But my conclusion is that rayn is 90% scum." -ok then gumshoe- | ||
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On April 02 2014 12:22 Balla24 wrote: Gumshoe that case is all over the place :/ it's hard to follow (what alignments was rayn in these quotes?) but on the ending: How can you say this is the most damning bit of all yet you literally just did the same thing and went 90% scum on rayn when Steveling has still "yet to open his mouth"? ah Balla. So smart. | ||
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Your initial reads on our group? What is your opinion on mderg? How do you read Alakaslam? Give me your biggest townread and for what post? Just use 1-2 lines of text. I would love to have some quick conversation. I will be f5ing like a madman. | ||
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On April 02 2014 17:41 Steveling wrote: Wait am I supposed to filter you 2 separately? I thought hydras play as a hive mind, sry if I'm wrong this is my first hydra game. Nono. Filter this account. rayn signs his posts. | ||
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We got decent filters so who are you leaning scum on? On April 02 2014 17:47 Steveling wrote: That's what I mean, what does it matter which of the two of you said what, as long as I treat you as 1 person it's fine right? rayn & I are different people with different opinions. You got 2 people you can use to determine the hydra his allignemnt. It's a bit messier than a not hydra but it can be more powerful obviously. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:05 Palmar wrote: I tentatively think rayn is town. He's a bit too angry for my liking but his point on gumshoe looked really town to me. I thought you might be scum then I realized you're in group with gumshoe who I also think is scum, so now I'm just confused. Steve his filterdive of gumshoe touches a lot of points I didn't like about gumshoe. Like the strange defense of gum to geript. If we take into account Steve didn't yet filter my hydra makes me feel good about him. I don't really know what to make out of the fact Steve is not taking an harder stance on gumshoe scum but I think he is just waiting a return from gumshoe to make a "final" verdict. Anyway. My group is going to get figured out Quite certain of it. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:18 Steveling wrote: Oh sry, it was just a ''you'' to ''of'', just a typo. just don't do it. Even for typos. hosts will get mad. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:14 Palmar wrote: Does it not bother you at all that Steve's approach seems to be "Keep all my options open"? He gave reasoning for it and I don't find the reasoning scummy. His analysis post on gumshoe and us doesn't fit the "Keep all my options open". Just the lack of a hard stance. I am not bothered. | ||
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1) i lied to rayn in another game and he lynched me. he was mafia and because i do the same thing here he also must be mafia here 2) He does not consider Steveling mafia and he should because of probabilities ???? Well here are my answers: 1) Your heuristic is bad. If you do scummy stuff you are more likely to be scum. Some other game has nothing to do with this. You lied in a place where no townie should lie, it does not achieve anything and you clearye were not even trying to achieve anything. You can't just say "i must be town because i have done a similar thing in another game". If that was the case mafia would be an easy game to play as scum, just copy paste your posts from your townie games. 2) I should not. I know one of you two is mafia. If i am sure you are mafia i don't need to consider Steveling being mafia. I don't need to weigh any probabilities, if you are scum then you are scum and my read on Steveling has nothing to do with it. You can't brush off my case (which you btw didn't even answer) just because "Steveling hasn't talked". Steveling talking or not talking has nothing to do if you are mafia or not. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:23 Steveling wrote: I didn't say I won't bother with other cells, just that each and every one of us should have an analysis of our cell first. After that we can do whatever. Ask me and I'll answer for whomever no biggie. Do you think the thread atmosphere is currently favoring town? | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:23 Steveling wrote: I didn't say I won't bother with other cells, just that each and every one of us should have an analysis of our cell first. After that we can do whatever. Ask me and I'll answer for whomever no biggie. No i don't want to ask. I want to know who YOU think we should be focused on. I want you to weigh the possibilities because i want to know what YOU think is important. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:39 Holyflare wrote: Look at my cell, specifically what i wrote about mderg and then compare it to what gumshoe said about a lot of people scum reading him. Do you agree that scum are thr ones pushing mderg? excellent question. I am doing same thing atm. | ||
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On April 02 2014 14:35 getmoript wrote: Rayn I have an important question for you. Koshi isn't allowed to answer. I want you to rate your #1 issue with me. ~g I'll give the thread all the issues: My #1 issue with you is your flip-flopping on your reads. At the start of the game you are sure Slam is scum. Very very reasonable. However when other people (mainly me) agree with it you start defending him. You should be even more sure of the read, even if you think i am mafia, because if i am mafia and i "incorrectly read" Slam's alignment there is a high chance that backfires on me. At the start of the game you say HF should be policy lynched because he is either right or bussing. Now you say HF is pushing town wrong direction. Contradiction. You don't comment on my reads. You just say you disagree with them for no reason, you just say i am wrong without telling me why i am wrong. + Cavalinho has no reads all he has talked about is some mayor crap. My #2 issue with you is that your tone changes in ungeript-y manner. At the start of the game you say things. We disagree.. I call you scum. You yell at me and you tell the thread i am scum. Then you say more things. I say more things. You disagree with me again. However you are not aggressive any more. You don't comment on why you disagree with me on what we disagree. Instead you are defensive and passive. Normally as town geript, if he disagrees with someone, comes to a conclusion that person is mafia, or he voices his argument vocally and tries to convince the other person in a way or another. Here you just give up but you still disagree and noone even knows why. My #3 issue with you is that you and Cavalinho are not on the same page in this game. Cavalinho has no idea why your reads are what they are and i find it incredibly unlike that would be the case if you were town. On top of that Cavalinho is scared to voice his opinions on everything that's going on in thread. The only thing he comments on is setup talk. He has no opinions on anything and he doesn't even know why you think what you do. It seems like you guys don't even talk about your reads with each other. ~rayn | ||
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No gumshoe uses that to defend himself. He says it's unreasonable and scummy for me to call gumshoe mafia because based on probabilities i should consider Steveling possibly mafia, and therefore i can't call gumshoe mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:54 Palmar wrote: Right so when you say "he" you mean from gumshoe's pov, ie: rayn = he. Ok. Yes. I understand the confusion, that was worded poorly. ~rayn | ||
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what do you make of the tehpoofter posts? Because tehpoofter his early posting is horendous. First post: "I wanted to roll scum because this setup is scum favored because you can just make cases on your own cell and win, I will not make cases on my own cell" Second post: "I think geript is scum because he disagrees with prplhz who is in his cell" (There is nothing from tehpoofter on the actual argument on which geript disagrees) Third post: "I disagree with prplhz" Fourth post: " amagad I just realized prplhz and geript are in the same cell? " | ||
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How can he call geript scum solely for calling out prplhz? 6 minutes later forget prplhz and geript are in the same group. While in between those 2 posts he made a post disagreeing with prplhz which is basically what geript was doing. | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:07 Holyflare wrote: Not really read through him since last night but i remember thinking" i disagree with everything he is saying but it looks like he has a mindset to find scum with some kind of plan" and that was pretty much it at the time. Will look again when at pc. Exactly. That is the problem. tehpoofter gives himself a guidebook to play at in his first post and then he plays by this guidebook without thinking through the actions. | ||
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1) says scum is favored this game because they can simply scumhunt only in their cell, says he won't comment on his own cell until they are up for lynch. (which is not the right conclusion to make for town, town should just focus in their cell AND hunt outside, not simply ignore his own cell till the day they need to get lycnhed. 2) says geript is scum for attacking prplhz because he is from his own cell but he doesn't mention the argument that geript attacks. (there is no thought behind this, just following the rules he set up in his first post, what if what prplhz wrote was a direct scumclaim?) 3) attacks the same person geript attacks. (again attacks him for the policy tehpoofter set up in his first post, but while he attacks prplhz he must consider that the reason why geript) 4) Indicates that in his mind geript & prplhz are still both mafia. Also tehpoofter completely forgot that geript and prplhz are in the same group?? (to me this just looks like tehpoofter is trying to downplay his first 2 scumreads as mistake, something to not pay attention to, which is exactly what we should do because his scumreads are based on a policy he invented to be active early game) Here are the Quotes I am referring to. On April 02 2014 08:55 Tehpoofter wrote: So looking at this setup when it was first announced I really wanted to roll scum in it because its really scum favored. I think in this setup the ideal play for scum would be to just make cases on people in their own cell and try to get one of them either read as town or more ideally read as scum early and often. As scum you basically do your job if you accomplish a misslynch on the day your cell comes up for lynch. I therefore think that it is not very advantageous for people to say anything about people in their own cells cause as town the way we can win is by making connections between people in different cells. So I will be posting and making reads on the people outside of my cell only until it comes time for my cell to be up for debate then obviously I will make my reads known on them at that point but I think before then having to establish connections and conversations with those outside of your cell is the best plan for town and those not doing so will lean more scummy to me. The only thing I will say about my group is this: I'm fairly new to forums and I feel like I've been read as town by a couple of people in previous games with strong voices like Rayn pretty early on so I think putting my cell in to the first lynch cycle would be a good idea because being new easy town read gives town a 50/50 shot on the first day which is really good odds I think whoever is mayor should be trying to make groups orders based on cases where at least one person in the group is easily read as town and or mafia because we can narrow our odds to a 50/50 or 100% vs a group with say people with less polarized scum /town games On April 02 2014 08:57 Tehpoofter wrote: I don't like this first post by geript his first post of the game is to go out and accuse someone who is in his cell. I find that really scummy because of how this game is setup. Just in general I find it scummy because of how this setup looks to me. He also reaches out to rayn and from what I know of rayn he is a tunneling type player who will push push push for a read so if geript as scum can get town rayn thinking prplhz is already scum right off the bat this is ideal for him. I think he might have been trying to accomplish that. here. This is the exact thing I brought up in my first post about how I think scum would ideally play this game to give them the best chance at winning. @geript do you think my assessment of how the ideal town play to ignore the people in your cell until your lynch day is a good way to force people to read others and make connections is bad? If so can you ignore the others in your group until then? (obviously still get reads and have that ready for your lynch day but until then pretend they're not important to read) On April 02 2014 09:02 Tehpoofter wrote: I 100% disagree with this line of logic and is probably something I would have said had I been scum. (I thought way too much about this the night after I /ind this game) This is not a good idea because town needs to draw connections day to day and if its 3 people just fighting it out each day then we have to read them right every day whereas if you are forced to connect with people outside your cell we have chances to see things like scum/scum buddying/defending which will never happen if you only focus on your own groups..... prplhz looking scummy off this post. On April 02 2014 09:03 Tehpoofter wrote: I just realized both prplhz and geript are both in the same group... damnit 3 posts in and I'm already at least wrong once. | ||
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On April 02 2014 14:14 Tehpoofter wrote: @gumshoe that being said as for scum the biggest one for me is prplhz I said earlier in a post he said he wants people to just focus on the people in their groups as thats their best chance of hitting mafia. Statistically it is the best chance but people should read everyone. I also really dislike the post where he claims hes being ignored to me thats like he wants to be read as town for posting and is mad his work is going to waste. ^ after multiple hours Tehpoofter his only scumread (or biggest) is still based on his policy.... So unimpressed. | ||
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On April 02 2014 19:58 Palmar wrote: Also, if you're town you should probably know why I'm asking HF what I'm asking him. No i actually don't. Maybe you will tell me. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 20:43 Steveling wrote: Well, the way I see it, is you may be lying about his meta, he may just be a newbie player. What's the point of Holyflare lying about someone's meta as mafia? That would make him scum for people for something he didn't really need to do in the first place. Also do you think he is lying or not, you are not really commiting to an answer? You just say maybe he is lying or maybe he is not, what's your conclusion. Is he lying? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:00 Holyflare wrote: Why are you being incredibly obtuse? His posts are so mafiay it's hard to believe you are somewhat defending him. "i agree with this" "i don't like that you meta yourself" and policy/defending someone out of the blue is so hiding behind fake activity it doesn't matter what his meta is. So why do you bring up the meta then? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:20 gumshoe wrote: I have considered that steve is scum at every point in this game, just because I made a play to try to read you early on doesn't mean I was 100 percent sure your scum out of the gates. In fact I backed off after your answer because it was fine. You came back after me because you were so sure my lie made me scum, even though you know I bait as town. I was just figuring out your alignment, like you should be doing instead of blindly considering me scum before Steve talks. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite but I have expressed fear that he might be scum throughout every point of this game, even at the time of my big post I said you were 90 percent, not 100. Also I love how your team keeps poking away at this one bit because you can't deny your playing exactly the same as witchcraft. How is this game different Rayn? How are you scum reading me here for the same play you'd town read me in any other game? How does a mderg, gumshoe scum team fit? Do you honestly think mderg is scum when half the active players called him red? Even though we know he's capable of shit play and getting jumped for it? Also have you rescinded you ez pz scum read on me? Because right now I'm fairly certain your scum, but no I'm not completely sure and have never been, because I'm town. Show me evidence instead of generically calling me a hypocrite, you will not find anything as damning as "ezpz confirmed scum" your point is mute rayn / : what bullshit do you offer next? Also gonna say this, Mderg is 100 percent town, I don't like the other people in his group, his play is in line with what I imagine of him as town and theres been too much gleeful drive on him. Even if I'm scum, he's town, consider his alignment a gift regardless of mine. fairly certain I am scum. Why? Explain pls. | ||
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Look at the games when mderg starts posting. There is actually two games of his: Werewolves Invade Teamliquid II (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 5 pages (game starts at page 5 - mderg's post is on page 10). Normal Mini Mafia I (Town): at the time mderg starts posting there is content of 2 pages (game starts at page 4 - mderg first post on page 6). Then there is this game. There is content of 2 pages when mderg starts posting, a lot more when he stops. I guarantee you in this game, when mderg leaves the thread there is more content and scumreads than in both of those games. There are things to discuss (mainly getmoripts reads on me, prpl, my scumreads, etc). In both of those earlier games mderg jumps straight to important content -> starts calling people out etc when there is something to work with!!. In this game he does not, he comments on irrelevant things while there is content in thread. The point is not if the game is 24h into the game or 1000h into the game. The point is in all of these three games there is content to comment on, mderg does it in BOTH of his earlier town games, in this game he does not do it. Therefore Holyflare's meta read is not bullshit. I agree it does not make mderg 100% mafia because the sample size is small and there is no mafia sample. But the fact is mderg IS playing differently than his earlier town games. He is more passive and only comments on non-alignment indicative stuff. Also i know Holyflare does these reads as town. It does not make him mafia, it's not even scummy for him. There is no reason for Holyflare to make a bullshit meta read as scum. Even if HF is scum there is proof behind the read because he does not make shit up. He's too good for that. And i agree with HF's statements on mderg this game. He is commenting on useless stuff while there is real content to comment on. That's a fact. It's also a fact that in earlier games he did not comment on useless stuff once there was content in thread. Instead he tried to form reads and called people out. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:27 Holyflare wrote: Gumshoe thought rayn was scum in heavyweight so i take everything he says about rayn with a pinch of salt. gumshoe is also scum, that's another reason to not believe what he says. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:34 Palmar wrote: If you think there's a parallel between 5 pages in 3 hours and 5 pages in 24 hours you're insane rayn. There is much more time to actually re-read and form opinions which is exactly what HF is accusing mderg of not doing. But okay, as I pointed out even if HF's meta is faulty no one else noticed it so either everyone is mafia or it's a reasonable mistake to make. Do you believe mderg used more than max 2 hours in those games to play the game on D1? If you don't, then my point stands. He was in thread for 2 hours in this game and failed to make a single conclusion. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote: Right now rayn, who would you lynch out of HF's group? what a question.... | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:40 Palmar wrote: Right now rayn, who would you lynch out of HF's group? mderg. But we'll see him posting more. I have a townread on Holyflare and i am a bit unsure of poofer. I don't see anything particularly scummy from him but i don't know what Koshi is up to or we are not 100% on the same page with him on poofer. I tried to poke Koshi about it in our QT but he is at work so we'll talk more about it tonight. In the meantime, what's your take on this: On April 02 2014 19:50 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I'll give the thread all the issues: My #1 issue with you is your flip-flopping on your reads. At the start of the game you are sure Slam is scum. Very very reasonable. However when other people (mainly me) agree with it you start defending him. You should be even more sure of the read, even if you think i am mafia, because if i am mafia and i "incorrectly read" Slam's alignment there is a high chance that backfires on me. At the start of the game you say HF should be policy lynched because he is either right or bussing. Now you say HF is pushing town wrong direction. Contradiction. You don't comment on my reads. You just say you disagree with them for no reason, you just say i am wrong without telling me why i am wrong. + Cavalinho has no reads all he has talked about is some mayor crap. My #2 issue with you is that your tone changes in ungeript-y manner. At the start of the game you say things. We disagree.. I call you scum. You yell at me and you tell the thread i am scum. Then you say more things. I say more things. You disagree with me again. However you are not aggressive any more. You don't comment on why you disagree with me on what we disagree. Instead you are defensive and passive. Normally as town geript, if he disagrees with someone, comes to a conclusion that person is mafia, or he voices his argument vocally and tries to convince the other person in a way or another. Here you just give up but you still disagree and noone even knows why. My #3 issue with you is that you and Cavalinho are not on the same page in this game. Cavalinho has no idea why your reads are what they are and i find it incredibly unlike that would be the case if you were town. On top of that Cavalinho is scared to voice his opinions on everything that's going on in thread. The only thing he comments on is setup talk. He has no opinions on anything and he doesn't even know why you think what you do. It seems like you guys don't even talk about your reads with each other. ~rayn ???? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:47 gumshoe wrote: Does every play ever work? No, it didn't and they don't. I wanted to see if he'd jump on Steve for something small, he didn't, I moved on, thats literally it. Rayn knows I do this as town, he knows I play this way, he always green reads me when were together for doing shit like this. Yet this game everything I say is scummy BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE, Rayn has not liked a single thing I said because he literally can't. literally can't? Because? | ||
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When are you going to follow up on this Steveling? ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 21:55 gumshoe wrote: Because you need to get me or Steve lynched, Steve wasn't around and you cant bank on wether or not you can make his play out to be scummy. But you pretty much know for a fact that you can frame me ( : you've done it before in the exact same manner. Thats why every time you talk about me its like a tidal wave of confirmation bias, not a tide that rises and falls with evidence. From your view, you can't afford giving me a single townie point because it does nothing but weaken your odds of winning. Even though town Rayn would just give me the lot of them this game : P k. So you are holding strong on this "meta" thing. I haven't see you make 1 post about Steveling. How does he look to you? | ||
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On point #1: His reads change unnaturally. Also geript wanting to policy lynch Holyflare is 100% not a joke. On point #2: scum geript is more passive than town geript. Also see the context, it's me who he is talking to. He thinks i might be mafia!!! geript is not passive towards people he thinks are mafia, especially me, rofl. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:18 gumshoe wrote: You first, I've been waiting on your thoughts before I post mine ( : do me the curtesy? I like his filterdive on you because he touches the same points as I do, and he did that before he filterdives us. I noticed that he didn't take a hard stance on which of us is scum after his dive even though he sees you way scummier than us. But I have no problem with that because reading his filterdive of you makes it very hard for him to not take a stance later. He clearly isn't hiding and letting rayn and you fight. I am confident that in our group the lynch will be quite easy because you are digging yourself into such a deep tunnel and Steve seems to be quite rational & townie, making it quite easy to townread Steve and really just see your tunnel as a scum shitting up the thread rather than a townie really really being on the wrong track. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:29 gumshoe wrote: Lol, at least we can agree on one thing XD dat timing I would seriously suggest to start reading into other cells. Because you stopped doing that to tunnel rayn. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:42 gumshoe wrote: I know you are but what am I : P your literally doing the exact same thing as me, but worse, also I made my case and moved on to give other reads, I'm just responding to every lie you spout about me because I know you love to say shit over and over as scum till everyone thinks its true. If you wanna put this on the back burner so we can focus on other reads, I'm cool with that. It's up to you ( : You know you are talking to Koshi and not rayn right? There is a distinct difference. Anyway, Koshi is also quite convinced you are the scum. I am currently wondering if you can make insightful posts, as that is the only thing that might make me revisit my read on you. So pls make them. | ||
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On April 02 2014 22:49 gumshoe wrote: Wrong, I am talking to scum, there is no difference and I find this hydra shield pretty shitty because scum hydras always take advantage of thier dynamic because it somehow always works in their favour. What do you think of Balla? hmm k. w.evs. Town. | ||
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Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him: Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum: Here is the full conversation regarding this: On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote: Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote: I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote: I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!! There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to: Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means: I made a post about this already. It's here: On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote: So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post.
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation! Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + : I'll just make a list of these:
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On April 02 2014 23:13 gumshoe wrote: So your voting to take yourself out of the game first? If Rayn is so town, why remove him from the game at the start just so you can rush a mislynch? Do you mean steve? | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:10 gumshoe wrote: Point 1: Why do you assume the trap was over? I wanted to see if youd say anything else 0_0 because your initial answer was this I wasnt satisfied with that answer, it was totally inconclusive and a complete dodge. You then game me this Which was fine, didnt reveal anything important so I moved on and saw no point to causing a shit storm in thread over nothing. Of course you didnt even bother considering any of this cause scum. Point 2: What readibility? I dont feel the need to be transparent with people who are 50 percent scum, in what world is this scummy? This has nothing to do with proving my townieness, which I do through effort and finds. Point 3: I am presenting arguments that fit YOUR scum meta first off, not mine (my scum meta is inherently lazy and unmotivated the exact opposite as I've played this game. Over all your, arguments are "gumshoe lied so hes scum" and "gumshoe contradicted himself as scum" both of which are things I do as town, and you town read me for when your town. You are calling a lynch on me for playing shitty, not cause I', scim : P I on the other hand, am saying "rayn reassures his own reads when hes scum cause hes scared of looking weak" "Rayn meta fits his scum games" "Rayn is certain of my alignment when he has no right to be" all of these things are true brahs / : I can do this aaaall day Rayn ( : glhf. #1: It doesn't matter if the trap was over or not. You didn't tell the truth even after that until i said you were fishy. The point is you lied, there is no town motivation to lie in that situation. #2: Are you fucking braindead? As town you claim "being readable is big part of being town". In this game you claim "I don't give a fuck if i am readable or not". You are not only readable to me, you are readable to 13 other people. You answering to me does not only help me read you, it also helps 13 other people to read you. You are not this stupid. #3: No. You literally claim i can't read you scum because of X but you read me scum despite X which is still there. That has nothing to do with anyone's meta. Nothing i have said has anything to do with meta. You are the one who brings up retarded meta arguments "he did this in that game so he is also scum here herp derp". You have NEVER in this game commented on my case nor have you backed up your case or argued with me about it before this post. I have answered your case and you fucking don't even read the answer but just mindlessly hammer the same things over and over again. Anyways this conversation is over. I am not going to convince you you are mafia because obviously you will not agree. I am going to convince others so there is no point in you talking to me, talk to other people. Questiontime is over for you, now it's time for me to tell why you are scum and convince the town to lynch you. You got your chance to answer my questions, you blew it. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:21 gumshoe wrote: Nope I mean me XD Please answer the question you shifty bastard. hehehe? dafuq? I am rayn? I don't want to remove myself from the game. I want to secure a first lynch on scum. Currently I think HF is town because either tehpoofter/mdreg is scum (I got tehpoofter, rayn got mdreg). I think that Balla is quite obvious town. Both players are quite capable to do without us and I think thread needs more time to decide in their group than in ours. Palmar looks town but there was 1 point I was a bit iffy about, and we can't say shit about his teammates, so I am a bit hesitant about him but currently I want to call him town. So it's not that this thread needs us to win. I don't understand what you are saying though. You think I am scum, thread thinks we are town. As scum it would be smart to use our influence and stay alive. I am sure Koshi/rayn can push more mislynches when alive then just go for this 1 misslynch on you Pretty sure. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:32 Palmar wrote: How am I not obvtown for being the only person who actually read HF's meta point Koshi? Because you aren't. Or are you going to prove to me you read the thread halfassed as scum? Also after Championship game you will be very tryhard as scum. Anyway. Like I said. I want to call you town. Not confiming you because your cellmates are not playing. But let's not kid ourselves, you wont get lynched over them ever probably. | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:45 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Koshi go read our QT. ~rayn meh, I stick to my read on Palmar but yeah I agree that he is likely town. + Show Spoiler + Happy Palmar? | ||
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I have a hard time seeing you would say that as town, or think it's legit to even think they are mafia because of it in case your statement "they are the hardest people to read" (=hard to catch as mafia) is legit. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:04 Palmar wrote: Like the more gumshoe posts the less certain I am he's mafia and not just insane. No no, town!gumshoe follows his own logic. I don't care if people use bad logic, that's something that's not necessarily scummy. Not following his own logic and making logical inconsistancies is scummy. That is what mafia!gumshoe does, especially when he is taken away from his comfort zone. Remember mini PYP? gumshoe made an argument on me. When people pointed out what was wrong in his argument he didn't explain his logic, instead he made a new argument. That's what he is doing here. He is just making new arguments hoping the old ones are forgotten. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:09 gumshoe wrote: 0_0 thought you werent talking to me? Virtually all my losses are to great scum players and I can point out examples from my very first game of me saying we should assume the best of them. I KNOW FOR A FACT YOU, THE MOST ACTIVE PLAYER IN THIS THREAD ARE SCUM. Why would I have a hard time believing any of this as town? Why are you fighting this idea so hard Rayn? So yo uare asking me why i do not believe i am scum. stop already. rofl. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:09 Palmar wrote: You may not have noticed but I didn't really read PYP gumshoe: "i don't want rayn to pick 2,1 because he is scum and i don't want him to have universal backup, otherwise i am okay with his plan" people: "why?" gumshoe: "i don't rayn him to pick KP" people: "but he is not picking KP" gumshoe: "he has a plan for picking KP" people: "but he can't have a plan because it will be confirmed where the KP is, you agreed with the rest of his plan" gumshoe: "but he still has a plan. NOW MORE TALK ABOUT THIS KTHXBYE!" That's literally what happened. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:13 gumshoe wrote: No, I am saying my stance is perfectly reasonable if I'm town 0_0 which I am. No you are saying you did something scummy and i am scum because i called you out for your scummy shit and on top of that you can't even reasonable explain it. But that doesn't make you look scummy at all, no, it makes me look scummy in your opinion. hilarious ~rayn | ||
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In this game it's the opposite. at the start he did what he always does in PYP (said "be back in 48h this phase dumb"). When i explained him why he should not afk he realized i was right. If he was mafia he would have stuck to his PYP policy 99%. He is also trying to actually figure out shit and not only look like it ( see for example Holyflare - mderg meta thingy, in contrary see Thug life where i insta-caught him for his shit read on yamato and Titanic where he just tunneled VE and made some half-arsed comments on other people). In both scumcases he clearly didn't care about the game. WHWC game was even more hilarious. He just asked some random questions from gumshoe and ended up in non-conclusion, then he didn't do anything at all. Palmar can be lazy as town aswell but it's different. He still shows he thinks about the game when he posts. It's totes different than in this game than when he is scum. Palmar is town! ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:28 gumshoe wrote: Rayn is extremely sharp as scum, please hear me out this point its extremely important, in gsl mafia, I accidentally scum slipped by revealing that I knew how many blue roles town had, He jumped on me instantaneuosly and I was his scum buddy in this game, Scum Rayn feels he has to jump on inconsistencies because he is logic bound even as red. I was looking for that instinct, expecting it to be even greater considering the setup. And Rayn certainly didnt dissapoint / : THIS POST IS TOTALLY FALSE!!! 100% FALSE AND A STRAIGHT OUT LIE! Here is what happened (compare especially the bolded parts). I thought gumshoe scumslipped and i thought other people will see that too. I called him out instantly in thread so that i will look better when he flips (i assumed he will flip 100%). gumshoe didn't in fact scumslip, i had misread his post. We talked about the situation in Teamspeak and decided that we argue about it for a while because it will end up both of us looking better, or at least not worse. We did so. Second bolded part: So jumping on inconsistancies IS BY YOUR OWN WORDS A NULL-TELL on me! Yet you call me scum for it in this game. hahahahahah!! lynch the fuck outta this scum! ~rayn | ||
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This is the GSL scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/ZEYyMDD73RtZ Look at posts 38 -> ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:38 gumshoe wrote: And thats what youve done this game, not once considering that I'm a town / : leaping on everything I say you hyena. BECAUSE YOU DO MAFIA THINGS! DO YOU UNDERSTAND MAFIA PEOPLE DO MAFIA THINGS! YOU CAN'T CALL ME MAFIA FOR CALLING OUT YOUR MAFIA THINGS BECAUSE YOU DO THEM! If you do them as town you are bad. But it's more likely you do them as mafia because mafia does mafia things and town does townie things!!!! You literally agree you do scummy stuff, then you call me mafia because i tell people you do scummy stuff. That's the most retarded logic i have ever heard, it's mafia logic. Because you have no real arguments. ~rayn | ||
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I hope you people see that and are not dumb. ~rayn | ||
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On April 02 2014 23:51 mderg wrote: I don´t like the heavy focus on lynching gumshoe right now. I´m also leaning scum on him right now but , if steveling was scum, you´d give him the easiest time of his life. I mean, after his filter posts he didn´t do much regarding his own cell and just let the gumshoe bashing continue. Narrowing down our vision on only gumshoe seems bad to me. Even if he is scum, it doesn´t tell us much about any connections because right now everybody is ganging up on him. Also my name is mderg. Not mdreg, mdern, derg or anything else. This is sosososososo very weak. This dude just spent 1,5 hours catching up and this is all he has to say???? "Don't focus on gumshoe (not even presenting a read on him). My name is mderg." ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:46 Palmar wrote: I have no idea why mderp cares about his name. Bella does as well. Also suko. marvelosity did it last game. Probably others as well but meh. | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:47 mderg wrote: it´s really annoying to see your name written wrongly countless times tbh I just forgot it last time and just went random. Won't forget you anymore Mrderp. | ||
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Could you provide some reads? You entered the thread with a very generic statement. how do you read: raynpelikonoshi gumshoe Steveling | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I was asked what will happen in case of a modkill. If it's early in the game, I will replace that player. If it's later in the game, the slot will be removed from the game without flip. A no lynch option will be available for the day that slot would be up for lynch. [g]Doesn't sounds correct. What if modkilled player is scum? You can pick between town town nolynch ?[/g] | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:51 Holyflare wrote: Looked like a retarded joke to me but showed he also wasn't thinking about the setup at all. I still think he slipped that palmar, nme and you are town :p Yeah. But the thing is geript has played this setup in video. He knows very well how the setup works. So, what happens if we believe geript's logic and he is right. Let's take a scenario geript suggests: "Holyflare busses if he is mafia, therefore he is hard to read and can fly under radar. If he is town he is good player and most likely right." Okay, regarding this setup the correct play is ABSOLUTELY NOT TO POLICY LYNCH HOLYFLARE because regardless of his affiliation he tells us who is mafia. Lynching him is a coinflip. What IS correct play (and should be correct play in geript's mind) is to NOT EVER lynch Holyflare's group -> trust him -> lynch 3 mafia elsewhere and not care what Holyflare is. ezpz, regardless of HF's affiliation town wins. That's where geript makes logical inconsistacy. The coclusion he provides is illogical when you compare it to the statements he makes. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:52 Steveling wrote: Can I direct you guys away from this debate for now? Enough is enough. What are your thoughts about the mayor? Do you want to elect us? Did you read my post about it? | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:57 Coagulation wrote: so who should i vote mayor? Are you going to read the thread and contribute? | ||
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On April 03 2014 00:59 gumshoe wrote: Rayn, we agree steve is town, can we agree to vote him mayor? I don't see the point. -Koshi- | ||
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repeat ↓ On April 02 2014 23:12 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I would like to ask that everybody that is convinced that gumshoe is scum in our group votes raynpelikonoshi as mayor. I am also quite good with blue roles and I am pretty sure I can make a smart lynchline. Currently I would actually put our group first because gumshoe looks like a solid lynch. Balla will go second. After that Holyflare/Palmar need to close this out. I currently think those 3 are town. Palmar is not certain because his cellmates are afk. If they start playing the game Palmar could go second. ##unvote ##vote: raynpelikonoshi | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:03 gumshoe wrote: The point is, I know your scum and I dont want you to get elected, so I am forcing your hand by proposing you vote for someone we both know is town, has a good head on his shoulders and not a single person has an issue with. That transparent enough for you? I know you meant to that. I simply don't see the point in cooperating with somebody with 0 power that is seen as scum by the majority of the thread. I am getting major or it will be somebody else that I like. I don't need your help on this. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:06 gumshoe wrote: So you care more about your own selfish posturing than voting for someone you should KNOW is town? I am voting for somebody I know is town. rofl | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:12 gumshoe wrote: Scum want to be mayor and I dont want scum to get what they want, therefore we want a town mayor and I want you to be that mayor. Steve, this thread has 5 scum and you are the only person who has even considered Im town, on paper there is a 50 percent chance Rayn is scum to you, look at my scum games, I dont try this hard, I dont have it in me. I swear on my life I am town. Rayn CAN play this well, I'm sorry that I'm not as good as him ) : but I am trying my best. wauw. Does this change things? | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:08 Steveling wrote: I read your mayor post raynkoshi. Honestly you are probably my most town read so I don't have a problem. As for me I don't have a clue about mayor'ing and stuff. Do we want scum or town mayor in this setup? Somewhere the mayor has to do what town says. But there are people that are extremely hotheaded and stubborn who might do what they want as town and bring themselves (and town) in trouble. I know I wont fuck up as mayor. I will be updating what I will do as mayor through my campaign. If I am mayor I will do exactly what I said, I will listen to advice, I will change the order if majority wants this. Currently we will go first so we can lynch gumshoe, after that probably Cell Balla or Palmar, then HF. Palmar wants to earlier but I really want to make sure we see more of Coag and Sentinel. I prefer Cell Balla atm because rayn had a reason to why LSB was town (I think something with setup talk being his town meta) and a decent scumread on Alakaslam. | ||
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He is a cheap fucker if he lies and swears on his life. I am not going to reconsider this. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:18 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Koshi dick move analysis gumshoe is confirmed town. He is a cheap fucker if he lies and swears on his life. I am not going to reconsider this. ~rayn I would agree but meh. This tunnel. insane. | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:22 gumshoe wrote: I adressed that case here What makes you think you would find something overtly scummy in his play? Best way to catch scum Rayn is to notice how bloodthirsty he is and this game his jaws are just dripping. Hmm. Nha. rayn is pretty all over the place as town. More so than scum. Your own activity just makes him spend way more posts on you than "needed". Also rayn has provided multiple scumreads and townreads. With reasoning that go further than "all scummers are after me, the scumteam is superactive" | ||
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If so, can you vote me for Mayor? | ||
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I hope you are only cheap and not a cheap fucker who does not deserve any single bit of respect. We lynch Steveling from our group. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:34 gumshoe wrote: Scummers are active bro, that be a fact of life. We are not scum. We are not. Now let me tell you some harsh truth in case you are town. And I am only typing this because you swore on your life. (who the fuck does that anyway but w.e) Look at where this game is going. You do see everybody is taking our side and you will get lynched? You see this happening right? This is not because rayn & I are scum and our scumbuddies are fucking you over because you are some smart guy that found out we are scum and they are all protecting us by making you look insane. This is because you are playing like a an insane tool, and everybody knows/sees that you will be the lynch in our group. It is literally impossible (or at least infinite times harder) for scum to lynch us over you because then they need to make a bullshit case on rayn, and defend your crazyness. There are 2 guys currently hinting that it might be Steve that is scum (mderg and Palmar), LOOK at how they both don't think that it is us who is scum, even then they go straight against your 100% townread on Steve and 100% scumread on us. You do see what is happening in this thread right? Who the fuck do you think you are? | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:53 Coagulation wrote: and if all else fails slam makes a fantastic policy lynch cause he regularely does super dumb shit like claim scum as town Coag do you think this game has place for policy lynches? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:56 Coagulation wrote: rayn needs to manner the fuck up. your not edgy bro just being super over emotional and cunty. No Coag. I have certain policies that i follow because regardless of the fact that mafia is a game of lies and deception there are some things that should not be brought into the game because they are too dickish ways of proving (or rather lying and therefore "proving") alignment. You should be able to prove or "prove" your towniness with your in game actions and game related arguments. The only person i give pass on this policy is Blazinghand because he openly admits he would sell his grandmother if it helped him win a mafia game. I, for example, never ever lie about IRL-stuff. I never claim, even as mafia, that i was not here when i was if someone asks, because that's something that should not be used to determine someone's alignment. If someone claims they swear on their life i consider that a townclaim because otherwise that dude is the most dickish guy on the planet. There is nothing i can do to the fact that gumshoe said that, that's information that is there and i use all information i have to make a judgement on his affiliation. Suck for Steveling because that also means he has to be mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 01:59 Coagulation wrote: we have a saying at omgus. if in doubt lynch slam. Does that mean you only have a scumread on Slam or do you also have a read on Balla and/or LSB? If you do, could you elaborate on those reads, what makes you think they are town? Or is it purely based on Slm's scumminesS? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:07 Coagulation wrote: anyone can swear on their life and give a fuck less I have no idea wat your point is. My point is i refuse to believe gumshoe as mafia would say that. So i think he is town. That's my point. And what i just said is why i refuse to believe that. It's called explaining why you think what you do. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:21 getmoript wrote: Isn't this the exact same line of reasoning you used on me and now youre null? on me? ~g I don't think you are reading properly if you think i am null on you. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish. But this is, well how should I put it, questionable? Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is. At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument. As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself. Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad. And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? Why does my vote matter so much? I am one of the 15 players in this game. If everyone thinks my line of reasoning regarding this is dumb and agrees with my case on gumshoe, why are you so scared of what i think? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote: And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? rayn will stop caring about our lynch. Koshi will lynch gumshoe. people will be mad after the game. | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Does that mean you only have a scumread on Slam or do you also have a read on Balla and/or LSB? If you do, could you elaborate on those reads, what makes you think they are town? Or is it purely based on Slm's scumminesS? ~rayn Coag could you answer me on this? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:33 getmoript wrote: This is lie. At points you've called me scum. At points you've said you're not sure. Koshi has definitely at least said he has doubts. I find it funny how you comment on how Cav/I are on different pages and yet you and Koshi at many points are on different pages. Like wtf is that? ~g When i say you are on a different page i mean the fact that Cavalinho has absolutely no idea why you (geript) think what you do and he has absolutely no reads of his own. Could you paraphrase your hydra log immediately please? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:35 Holyflare wrote: rayn where is cehphiro? iunno. I havn't been on TS for days so i don't know if he has been even there. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:36 Coagulation wrote: its just slam i have a read on so the other two r prolly town okay thanks. do you have reads on other cells? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:40 getmoript wrote: No it's not. You can't just copy/paste. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 02:46 getmoript wrote: Look, that's flat out cheating regardless and I won't do it. ~g No it's explaining your hydra's thought process and how it evolves, what you agree with and what you don't and why. ~rayn | ||
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That's pretty BS and you do it over and over again. Why are my arguments bad? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:10 getmoript wrote: He wouldn't be my top lynch but I could see him being in my to lynch pile. So why does purplehaze who is your "YOLOSWAG 100% SCUM" look more scummy than Cavalinho who has said absolutely nothing? And why is Cavalinho scared? Newbie mafia = usually scared. town!Cavalinho is not scared to voice his opinion. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:13 getmoript wrote: That cuts both ways. Like you've continued to ignore my point on prplhz opener. Balla had a decent post on the policy lynch part of it, but I've bothered to reiterate the main point over and over and you keep on ignoring it and calling it shit logic when it's definitely not. ~g geript i have given my opinion on your prplhz opener. Here: On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote: I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn Here. If you can't read between the lines that "as i was wrong in the beginning i think it's reasonable to assume prplhz can make stupid conclusions too" then i don't know what to tell you. That should be obvious without saying, especially when me and prplhz talked about this and came to same conclusion. On April 02 2014 05:19 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Why does prplhz's "stance" mean anything? That's not what i read. Or, it's what i read but what i read between the lines is "prplhz doesn't care about who the mayor is and if prplhz talks about mayor election or who should be the mayor much in this game he is probably scum because he didn't care about it". I agree it does not matter shit who the mayor is. ~rayn It does not matter who the mayor is because he needs to do what town wants them to do. That is my conclusion, that is prplhz's conclusion. We both agree. We also both agree that "who mayor is" is not the same thing as "what mayor does". That's why prplhz is talking about the group order and that's not scummy at all because not caring about who the mayor is has nothing to do with what the mayor should choose. This is all obvious. If there is something else i need to address please let me know, but this is what i have been asked about prplhz by you, and i have answered all this. Is there something i have missed? I hate repeating myself because i assume players use their brain and read the thread by themselves. ~rayn | ||
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VE has a meta read on prplhz which is "If he brings up policy d1 he is scum." All he did early on was policy about random stuff hydras etc. Plus he had that exceptionally weird "maybe the mayor doens't matter stance." I'm going to put the stamp of approval 100% as confirmed scum on prplhz. It literally doesn't make any sense. Rayn backing up prplhz stance saying, "I don't think the mayor matters either" isn't the questionable thing to me. That's a normal stance to take. It's specifcally the "MAYBE the mayor doens't matter." Adding in maybe there is ridiculously odd and Rayn not reading it that way especially when prplhz finishes the post saying that he cares about the order of the lynches WHICH IS WHAT THE MAYOR DECIDES is super weird. I have a really hard time thinking any towny could ever post that. So Rayn trying to pressure me here instead of prplhz is super suspect. I think my posts regarding this comments on everything you wanted me to comment on, no? ~rayn | ||
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prplhz: "i don't think mayor matters, but the group order does" rayn: "damn i don't actually think we should talk about this yet" rayn: "yeah i agree mayor does not matter, mayor needs to do what the town says unless they wanna claim scum" prplhz: "yes, exactly" geript: "LOL PRPLHZ SCUM BECAUSE WHO IS MAYOR AND WHET MAYOR DOES IS THE SAME THING! RAYN ALSO SCUM BECAUSE PRPLHZ SCUM!" rayn:"w00t???" ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:27 raynpelikonoshi wrote: If you want my comments on the "maybe" owrd you seem to think is a big deal my stance is that you are being ridiculous because imo it doesn't mean anything and on top of that prplhz can be extremely wishy-washy (i would say he usually is) as town. So it definitely does not make him mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:42 getmoript wrote: Now you're just straw manning my argument here. My early argument for you being scum is moreso based on how you prefer to play scum which is specifically to protect your scumbuddies and push mislynches. Go back and reread it from my perspective; pretend you're me and I'm town. What you see is: prplhz: funky post rayn: bs +1 geript: attacks funky post rayn: +1 for completely different reasons, doesn't call/think/pressure prplhz rayn: looks at geript policy preference post, pushes geript, ignores prplhz for making a pretty analogous stance. Like it's really odd that you didn't push both of us for the same thing. You've done it before and you'll do it later on. No that's totally misrepresenting the situation. You are using fancy words to make something look like you want it to look like while it's not. Everyone can go and read the whole conversation in thread by themselves. Can you now answer my posts. Why do you refuse to answer them? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:43 getmoript wrote: I don't appreciate being baited with something as dumb and obvious as you're doing. ~g There is actually another meaning behind this. How is it in your opinion perfectly fine gumshoe has this heuristic and it's perfectly fine he uses it to call me mafia but ignores it when it comes to you and himself? Why is it not scummy in your opinion? Like if you say i am mafia for X and someone else says i am mafia for X i can't possibly, as town, think you are scum for saying that but the other person isn't. Can i? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:30 getmoript wrote: Re: part 1 Gumshoe lying. I don't see a real point to Gumshoe baiting or "baiting" you. I don't really think anything can come of that, but I don't think your conclusion is logical either. If he's actually baiting you with Steve and you ignore it, he loses nothing by doubling down on the bait. This isn't in any way alignment indicative. Re: part 2 I can see both sides of this. Like I don't think gumshoe thinks that it's pro-town to be unreadable, but I think you're taking the quote out of context. For me, the quote you post gives a hint of gumshoe being paranoid town. Like, of course he's going to try and read his own pod first. If he's town, why should he give any rat's ass what you read him as until he's confident that you're town. IE why should he care about what your read on him is until he's sure that he's not pocketed/getting thrown for mislynch. For me, this point leans town to me; not definitely so but definitely not scum and 100% not strong scum. Re: part 3 Gum dodging re: the Steve thing is ok. I don't find this particularly alignment indicative either way personally but I can see you calling it scummy. I don't think this is a strong argument for either alignment; this setup makes it super easy to call one guy town and one guy scum and call it a day. part 1: why is my conclusion not logical? gumshoe could not explain his thought process, can you help him out and do that? part 2: no this is wishy washy as hell. give a direct answer. why does gumshoe flip 180 on his stance? or explain why does the situation matter? part 3: i just addressed this and you are not making any sense. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:47 getmoript wrote: Which ones do you want me to answer? Like you keep up completely ignoring the points I'm making and spewing whatever crap you want to. I'm absolutely voting for you when you come up for lynch. ~g Why is prplhz scum and Cavalinho is not? You think Cavalinho is a good player. Why is he allowed to say nothing in thread but prplhz is 100% scum for what he has done? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:56 Steveling wrote: Because gumshoe actually bet his life on his alignment? And betting is prohibited? Do you think swearing is something else than this? Keep in mind that I could do the same and all this would be null, ryankoshi said so earlier, if I did this they would not target me with this anymore but I don't want to on principle. Let go of this already. There is not a single player in this game who shares my stance. You look a hella scummy because you are overly defensive over an argument one player made and noone believes. Why are you overly defensive? Do you think i can make all the people vote for you instead of gumshoe with an argument noone besides me believes? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 03:56 getmoript wrote: I don't know gumshoe used it in your situation as compared to mine; personally, I think you're either scum or tunnelling him ridiculously as town. I don't think he applies it to me because, as town, that's not how he reads me. He recognizes as town that I'm perfectly capable of being illogical/stupid at points. So, as town, he discards weak reads in favor of strong reads. Like you think that everyone is going to act 100% the same as town and that's flat out not the case. People have different heuristics they use for different people. For example if I'm all trolly and useless and post spam for all of day 1, then you and palmer are going to read me as scum; but if Slam does it, then he's likely town for it. I don't see why you can't get that. Hell, you thought I was scum for a while in Cultured IIRC on D1; most of the thread definitely did, and Gumshoe made a really weird defense of me there too. When I was rereading last night and got to gumshoe's defense of me here, I was really skeptical and had to go reread cultured to get perspective. I think he can make that townread on me as town; I think he can make it as scum too, but I definitely think he can make it as town. So when you've been pushing on both of us when you should know that he's capable of making good reads on me, that's really sketch bro. ~g But see geript. That has nothing to do with who the player in question is. That is purely statistical and based on setup. How can you even say what you are saying here? Do you think gumshoe as town thinks i am NOT a tunnel-y player? roflskates. The ONLY reason he calls me scum for is that i should not think he is scum because Steleling had not posted. That was his original argument. Now why the fuck is he allowed to do the same, and why are you allowed to do the same? It has nothing to do with who the player in question is. I think you know gumshoe is town and try to look good because yes, gumshoe CAN be town. But you should DEFINITELY see this as scummy if you don't know gumshoe's alignment. That's a 100% fact geript. You have too much information because my case is one of the best cases i have ever made regardless of gumshoe's alignment. He is either mafia and my case proves it, or he is town who royally fucked up and for some reason can't explain himself. That is a fact and there is no reason you should think those things are TOWNIE things to do if you are town... No... Way !!! That is my opinion and i am pretty sure i am right and you are scum. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:02 Steveling wrote: This is wrong. You made sound judgment all game long. You made a solid case. Then there's that. No it's not ok and I don't care that no one OBVIOUSLY followed you. If you can't understand that what you did is scummy and game ruining then we have an issue here. Then you call me mafia if you think i am mafia. geez what the....??? What are you doing? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:08 mderg wrote: I think that exactly him being overly defensive makes him look like town. There´s no reason why scum would be worried about you changing your stance. If not a single player is sharing your stance scum doesn´t need to be worried. This sudden switch doesn´t make any sense to me. That´s not any less scummy than Steveling being overly defensive. scummy post. very very scummy post. Holyflare explain why. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:12 mderg wrote: I´d really appreciate you explaining that yourself. I am confused. Are you calling Steve scum or town in this post because you kinda do both? I am also confused how my "sudden switch" makes me scummy because you do the exact same kinda switch here regarding gumshoe <-> me. You call me scummy in that post. Based on one post. Before that i was likely town. How do you justify YOUR switch if my switch is scummy? Especially when you don't even contribute to my reasoning for doing the switch. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:21 mderg wrote: town Your switch is based on him swearing on his life my switch is based on your no-reason switch So i can not do what i did as town? Also why does he quit the game as town? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:29 mderg wrote: You can but I don´t understand why a townie would change his stance completely without any ingame reason Incorrect. It is an ingame reason for me. gumshoe said it, therefore it's an ingame information for all of us because when someone says something you are supposed to determine if what they say makes sense from town/scum perspective. I even made a post where i explained it. Why are you saying it's not? ~rayn | ||
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You don't know why Steve would be scared as town You don't know why Steve would be scared as mafia Steve looks townie You assume i could do a switch like that as town You assume i could do a switch like that as mafia I look scummy Now you don't elaborate on any reasoning WHY you make these conclusions. You just say "i don't know". Do you have any thought process behind this? Why is it more likely i would do that as mafia than as town? Why is it more likely Steve would do what he did as town? If you can't tell why it is more likely or "don't know" there is no way you can come to a conclusion. Then you just say "it's a null tell". ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:38 Steveling wrote: Um, who was it from the 2 of you that made that leap of faith? Ryan or Koshi? So I don't play with you again. It was me. So you know i am telling the truth since you don't consider me being mafia and lying. That makes you mafia. Good day sir! ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:42 mderg wrote: It should be: You don't think there´s any reason for steve being scared as mafia steve looks townie You think my switch has no reason behind it I look scummy Yes of course you can say so if you want to. But the fact is i am going to question you about "why would Steve do that as town then?" and if you can't answer my conclusion is you don't see a reason for him to do so as either alignment, so you can't tell his alignment from that. But you DO try to make a read based on that. That's fishy. I also gave my reasoning for what i said. You can't just say "you have no reasons" when i have given my reasoning. So do you think my reasoning is bullshit? Because that's what you are saying if you say "you have no reasons", right? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 04:44 Steveling wrote: Facepalm. The only hope I still have for this game to not be a complete and utter farce is when the other half of the players that are inactive take over tonight, realise what happened. No Steveling, you literally just claimed mafia or you are a hypocrite because you think my play is not reasonable but you do the same thing as you quit playing. So which is it? Are you mafia or hypocrite? ~rayn | ||
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Why are you not considering the possibility of me being mafia and just lying? ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:00 Palmar wrote: This is probably the case, but I'm now officially rooting for Steve so I'm going to give him every opportunity to explain himself. That's kinda what i am waiting for... Him to explain himself. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 05:53 Coagulation wrote: yeah rayn would be a great lynch after slam but stop your butt hurting. if you sit here and post about how your not posting anymore steve im gonna have to add you to my tlmafia sissy list. Do you actually think i am mafia or do you just want to policy lynch every day in this game? ~rayn | ||
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He hasn't done anything scummy, has more good posts than usually and has reasonable reads. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 06:01 getmoript wrote: So outside of me which of those reads have been reasonable in your opinion? After you snap respond to this next go back and find the good posts you liked and explain why you liked them. Reads on our cell are good. I like the evolution and while prplhz doesn't really explain it (he never does and yes, it's annoying) i can kinda see where he is coming from. I like his read on you. ~rayn | ||
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I don't even know why you think prplhz is mafia because apparently you had nothing to say about my posts where i disagreed with your reasoning on him being scum. ~rayn | ||
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1) I should have a town read on you 2) I have not read prplhz's filter so here we go: 1) i am not even going to say anything about this because that's ridiculous 2) i have paid attention to prplhz's posts. The point where i talk about his "evolution of reads" i talk about our cell, the way he called gumshoe mafia and when Steveling started flip-flopping he took a step back and re-evaluated his read on them two. made posts about thinking Steveling is scum and then going back to Steveling being scum. I have never ever talked about any Balla read, so what you say about that can't possibly be true. I am not giving prplhz 100% town pass, i have never said so. I have said he looks way townier than you do. I read prplhz townish because usually he doesn't even have this much in his filter!!! That's why i literally said "in this game he has done MORE TOWIE THINGS THAN USUALLY. Usually when people do more townie things than usually as town they are not mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:05 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Like geript can you try to form one read that's not pure shit? ~rayn I mean, you can't really think someone is going to buy that "rayn should call me town therefore he is scum" shit? You can't possibly think someone is going to think i am mafia because of it, especially when that's your 1 of 2 reasons and the other reason is "this other dude in my cell should not look townier than me" which is basically the same thing. ~rayn | ||
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Both of the reads are based on bad reasoning. Apparently you have a scumread on prplhz (noone knows why). Do you really think it's fair for you to call prplhz out for not having any reads? Because to be honest you don't have many reads and the few you have are based on bad reasoning. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:18 getmoript wrote: TOWN i WANT TO BE EXCEPTIONALLY CLEAR HERE Point 1 is not: Rayn isn't calling me town, therefore he is scum. Rayn specifically stated that he and I quote, "like his (prplhz's) read on you (geript)." The point is specifically that Rayn in anyway at any point reading prplhz should have and would have (if rayn were town which he is not) points that prplhz has brought up that are heavily indicative of my town meta. Point 2 is not: prplhz should not look townier than me. Point 2 is based on the fact that Rayn is clearly not looking at specific players for specific reasons which he usually does. He's specifically reading the game differently than he does as town and therefore Rayn is scum. #1:Yes i like the posts where he says you are talking shit, like you are. You can't just quote some random post and say "look here prplhz says something that's not my meta". I am talking about all the posts in total, and prplhz has pointed out multiple times your bad logic and i have agreed with him. #2 Incorrect as i explained earlier. I made another post which you apparently missed. | ||
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So stop bullshitting geript and go hang! ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 07:42 getmoript wrote: I have. But you called it shit logic remember? You know just like how my Toad read was shit logic despite the fact that your scum read on Vivax was 100% the same thing in mspaint mafia. Nah that's not true. So why didn't you counter my counter-arguments to your prplhz case? I told you what i disagreed with, apparently noone believes you and you don't give a fuck. Why? ~rayn | ||
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As town geript... really? ~rayn | ||
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Are you serious, same guy doesn't give a fuck about 100% mafia defending another mafia. See my problem with geript people? ~rayn | ||
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I don't like asking same question five times.. It makes me mad. ~rayn | ||
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I'll look more into this in two hours. ~rayn | ||
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Until tomorrow i'm off. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 11:28 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: A quick look at cultured mini mafia (where he was VT) brings me the opposite. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=confirmed&t=ct&f=-1&u=geript&gb=date&d= A lot of references to geript being "confirmed town by rayn". Also in Boardwalk we see this too. Examples: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?page=121#2404 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?page=131#2619 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444078-cultured-mini-mafia?page=134#2669 multiple references in BW to being towny rather than "confirmed town", but point still stands - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/403766-boardwalk-empire-mafia-pick-your-power?page=155#3100 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/403766-boardwalk-empire-mafia-pick-your-power?page=167#3324 Yeah in a situation where he actually should have been considered confirmed town. 120 pages into the game, not 24h into D1.... rofl Sentinel. Go look at Survivor series. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote: So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?) Like I could make cases on all of you guys, GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town. Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here. Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such. So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so) Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.) Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum. I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit. More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale. Congratulations you just made a 1000 word post that started with: gumshoe is mafia and ended with: gumshoe is mafia PROFIT! ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:25 Tehpoofter wrote: You gumshoe fought for 20 pages and its what I got out of it I will gladly waste 1000 words saying what took you guys 20 pages. You should have just ignored him rayn let the scum battle you and move on. Now onto more reads. I literally can't ignore him because these towns nowadays are retards and might even lynch me for not commenting on retarded shit. Trust me i know what i am talking about! ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:28 getmoript wrote: Yah but lynching scum is always PROFIT!!!!! Yeah that's why we lynch you. <3 ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:29 raynpelikonoshi wrote: Yeah that's why we lynch you. <3 ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote: So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?) Like I could make cases on all of you guys, GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town. Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here. Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such. So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so) Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.) Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum. I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit. More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale. On April 03 2014 12:52 Tehpoofter wrote: I'm super salty I read 20 pages of arguing and came to the same conclusion I should have just skipped the whole damn thing. These two posts say the same thing. This is really good proof poofer is mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:25 Holyflare wrote: The fuck is this? If steve is red gumshoe should be green and of poof/mderg are red then i should be green? Holyflare confirmed town for not trying to understand what i am saying. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote: Because I'm totally not invested in this game so all i need to do is point out things that look odd. Like a player that knows about a wagon that was formed on him and that there are mafia on it despite not saying a word about it the entire game (he only mentioned about gumshoe/rayn on his return) Or the guy that said gumshoe betting his life and rayn switching to him is cheating?? It's only classified as cheating if gumshoe was town and steve thought he was doing that to convince town rayn. Then after its explained that way steve and mderg jump to rayn as scum despite there being no scum inventive in rayn switching Makes sense. But i think mderg is not likely scum, or poofer is more. Noone makes 100 word posts when all he wants to say is "what's this shit on last 20 pages. useless." also it was not useless. I am maybe leaning Sentinel being scum over Coag. Sentinel made all-over-nothing posts on our group and wasted a lot of time and didn't come to any conclusion. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:42 Palmar wrote: What's the point in scumderg to defend scumling HF? this ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:45 Palmar wrote: Don't even care. Yes sentinel's posts have been completely lacking in content but if Coag is going to play like this I'm lynching him anyway. He's perfectly capable of being reasonable if he's town. Yeah i don't care much about that atm. I want to lynch your/HF's groups last either way because i think game will be over anyways before that. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 22:58 Steveling wrote: And he didn't even bother to explain, not that he can explain with the retarded things he did but he didn't even try. This is exactly his 2nd point on his gum case, not only he flipped on gum, he flipped on his town play basics. I don't even. Say once more i didn't explain without reading my filter and i call you a liar. ~rayn | ||
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On April 03 2014 23:36 Balla24 wrote: How do you not get from my filter that raynkoshi is town? Even if I may or may not explicitly state it should be pretty obvious. It's bcz he is scum and doesn't read with his mind in the game and doesn't make conclusion. duh? ~rayn | ||
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That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi. This part is quite funny. Let's see: Sentinel - okay maybe makes sense, but if Sentinel was not at least leaning town on me he is lying Slam - thinks i am town LSB - If was not leaning town on me lying (but tbf steve can't know why) poofer - had me as town Balla - thought i was town So, in fact all of those people were at least leaning town on me. If any of those people wants to disagree with this we got an argument. ~rayn | ||
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No, i just made an argument and you are wrong and not reading properly if none of those people disagree with my argument. I am not going to do your work for you, especially when you argument is not good in the first place. It only shows you don't have your mind in the game at all which makes you very likely mafia. ~rayn | ||
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On April 04 2014 00:57 Steveling wrote: Yes but that's coming from your perspective, as someone who knows rayn and before I went mad with the oath thing yesterday. I can't flip now on ryan and expect you guys to believe I'm town. And I would be fine with that if this was a normal setup since you would have my reads and the people who jumped on me as potential scum but we will lose my cell if you lynch me so I have to try my best and not give up. If this was a normal setup my last post in this game would be from yesterday. So I'm trying to figure out why ryan did what he did only to find out that you veteran guys have preconceived notions about ryan. I feel lost and confused. Also sad. Hug pls. Just going to say this is really mafia-esque thinking. ~rayn | ||
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On April 04 2014 01:02 Steveling wrote: I expect my damned logic in the very next line, are you just trolling? I am not trolling. Townies prove themselves as town by doing things they think are right. The most right thing you can do is to give your honest opinion in who you think is mafia and give reasoning for your thoughts. If you mindset starts from "if i say this i am seen scummy, so i don't say it" you are working backwards and in mafia way because mafia is concerned about how townies see them if they say something rather than them proving their towniness by what they say and convincing town they are right and that they should be listened. That's like textbook mafia play. ~rayn | ||
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My suggestion for group order: First three groups in whatever order: (my group, geripts group, slamdunk) Last 2 groups in whatever order: (HF/Plammer - i would suggest HF first) I know Palmar is not gonna like this most likely but i think we don't need to play after D3 anyways so... I'll be here for another hour and i am not sure if Koshi is gonna come back. I don't care who is mayor but that's my suggestion. Lemme know what you guys think. ~rayn | ||
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balla i gave my order, i don't care that much, ~rayn | ||
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Please don't use more than a couple of sentences. I really don't care about reading a 1000 word post about something i find to be not the most important thing in this game. ~rayn | ||
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"Order: V W X Y Z Reason: "because of these couple of sentences" thanks ~rayn | ||
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On April 04 2014 02:56 LSB wrote: Long version here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/446977-cell-mini-mafia?page=62#1223 I'll give you the TLDR: 35124 35 First, killing inactive first. This is what I think is most important. All else is secondary 1 Next. Would be nice to get the group cleared up by a lynch 4 Last. I know I am town so I want to live long to contribute much. Can you explain why would we as town want to kill inactives first? The other scenario is to kill people we have reads on and we don't have to kill inactives at all. I think by doing that we have much better chances of winning (= lynch 3 scum in a row and not mind about the "hard" groups). ~rayn | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:14 Holyflare wrote: I'm going out for the night but i really don't want rayn to be mayor. What order do you suggest? I really don't care who is mayor unless it's geript. ##unvote ##vote Holyflare Just know i promise you slam and geript are mafia. lynch them first, or our group. maybe you are right on gumshoe/steve, there was something gumshoe said. he said "it's cheating if i am town but if i am scum it's not" - sounds scummy. ~rayn | ||
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On April 04 2014 03:27 gumshoe wrote: Does anyone here honestly believe Steve was townier than rayn at any point? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA ~rayn | ||
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Steveling (only trying to win his group currently) alakaslam (trust rayn) geript (imo not good reads, cav shares them and I don't understand why) Coag (Other 2 town) Make HF his group last. | ||
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What group would you place second? | ||
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##Vote Raynpelikonoshi dafuq rayn. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:20 LSB wrote: Put group 3 (assuming you are dead set on group one 1). Activity based, and I have green reads on the two that are not coag, and I don't think we would get much help from palmar/sentinel throughout the game. No I am putting group 3 first. Who is second now? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:20 getmoript wrote: ??Koshi why you think rayn is crazy for this? It's not crazy. He just shouldn't let holyflare pick the order when we can do it just fine. | ||
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Are you and Cav irl friends? Why are you 2 an hydra? | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:26 getmoript wrote: So can you give an brief summation on why rayn think's I'm scum and your take on it? I can't tbh, funny, but I don't really know it. Somewhere I think it is because you are not yelling that Alakaslam is mafia and that you were defending gumshoe. I think you are scum because prplhz is reading the thread, thinking and posting good things. I don't understand why you don't see this and why you keep holding on to that opening post from prplhz which was just setup talk. I have issues with people that start a game in a certain mindset and then magically it keeps going that way. I also don't like how you read us as scum, tbh I don't like how not 1 person in this game is trying to read me but they are all reading rayn, I guess it isn't applicable in your case because you state that you can't read me but w.e. When I am town it is always obvious, maybe the hydra makes it less but meh. Which brings me to my third point and hopefully you answered my question, Cav totally disappeared from this game and is just sheeping your reads, which makes your hydra entirely scummy because I don't like your reads. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:28 Steveling wrote: Busted? We all agree we have to win our cells first and foremost and then look at other cells. In this setup a lynch removes an entire cell from the game, so town is hurt more than MY than scum by scum lynch? I'm under suspicion so I'm obviously trying to make seem as town and get us a point? Scumslip? Even though it was a lie, since I'm filtering cell 5 atm. I also like how you conveniently ask for HF who blindly trusts you to be the last cell, lol. dude... 1) Own cell is important but you aren't saying anything about any other cell. And you are more fighting than trying to solve game. 2) What scumslip? I don't even know what you refer to. 3) What does HF being last have anything to do with HF trusting me? I want his cell last because I don't know who the scum is in there. Do you want HF group to be first 3? Tell me why. | ||
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On April 04 2014 04:49 getmoript wrote: TBH Cav has apparently been playing epic mafia some and less focused on the thread here. I think he's sheeping my reads because he knows I'm town and knows I can be good; I'd love to see more from him personally and have tried off and on to get him to do more. Honestly, I'm not even sure I'm meeting my goal so Cav being mia doesn't really bug me so much. Honestly, I'd love to have Marv explain how he reads your or Rayn or pretty much anyone really. As for read not chaning on prplhz, it probably won't; when I sit down with his filter and compare it to previous meta it might or if Ceph fails to post or posts bad stuff then maybe it might. I just really don't see a reason to change it when nobody's actually addressed the reasons why I think he's scum. Like Rayn always seems to completely miss the point that I'm trying to make and complete misconstrue anything I type so I'm pretty much in a lack of fucks given moment right now. Plus with no lynch I really have no ambition to change that. The problem I have with cav is that he doesn't say that. He gives his reads and doesn't say he sheeps you. He just posted 3 names and gives some reasoning. On April 03 2014 14:30 getmoript wrote: Scumreads: rayn, Balla, prp. Rayn is making up meta to push on us and that's really ridiculous. Also, there's simply no way we can let him be mayor because he's mafia. Like, his tone regarding the number of times that I post is really, really bad because it's almost the complete opposite from Cultured. (Also he is unaware of the fact that there is a hydra here and we are being diplomatic. Wtf rayn I mean really now) Cephiro said some things that I'm not comfortable with, but there's no way he would defend both rayn and prp is he was actually mafia. I don't think that makes any sense and I'm sticking to prp as the scumread here. (Though he needs to talk more like super bad.) Balla sounds exactly like suki did during Cultured which makes me nervous because I nearly got lynched for that shit before. Balla is mafia. Probably trying to make me run in circles giving off reads and shit in order to keep me preoccupied making big posts instead of solving the game. Will read into the other cells soon. ~Cav Cav on us: first line = omgus second line = we can't be mayor but that has nothing to do with his read. that's a conclusion to his read. third line= I can't comment on that, I wasn't in cultured. forth line = rayn is unaware of the hydra, the hydra is diplomatic. (??? What is this) Cav on prplhz: ??? Cav on Cephiro: Why wouldn't Cephiro defend rayn when he is mafia? mafia don't defend each other or ? I don't understand this read from Cav here. Is it something like Cephiro looks bad but prplhz worse??? Cav on Balla: This guy did X when mafia, Balla does X, so Balla is mafia. But I am not going to tell you guys what X is. Balla is doing things so I make big posts and I can't solve the game. (WHAAAT? which big posts? Solving the game? Where???) | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:13 gumshoe wrote: You know what, fuck it, I am the worst lylo player on tl and this game is just 24/7 lylo, I give up on my cell, regardless of whose scum between rayn or steve, they have clearly outplayed me and the only reason we are still talking is because I did something really cheap. If people wake up and realize that I dont care this much when I'm scum, thatd be dandy, but I really have no idea who is red in my cell, so I'm just going to focus on the other ones. Whatever it means about his alignment, I think I agree with Steve on prp, Geript is playing his town meta to a t if hes scum and I dont think Cephiro would be comfterbale lurking this long if he was red, I also liked his entry and will go into why I think hes town in a bit. Gonna go grab some lunch first. So who is scum in that cell? | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:16 Palmar wrote: gumshoe didn't actually read Steve's case, he just read the first part or something ^^ I think so to. Because gumshoe thinks steve thinks prplhz is scum. | ||
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gumshoe. Why are you playing this lazy? So much happened. And because you (dis)agree with 1 read a guy flops town (scum) ? dafuq? | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:00 gumshoe wrote: Welp, this is pretty reasonable 0_0 fuck, is rayn actually scum? Is that even possible? | ||
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On April 04 2014 05:30 gumshoe wrote: I am resigned to getting lynched in my cell, I dont care about it anymore, I'll focus on the others because I find steves play fine, he got angry, I would a bit too (though I would have directed that anger at me in that situation) I also found what you did townie as well, then I read my filter, and by god does it look scummy in comparison T_T you want me to make a case on me? I probably can at this point. The only way I can prove myself is by focusing on finding scum and I cant sincerely do that in this cell. So do watcha gotta do. Ima look elsewhere for once. Do you want me to make our cell first for lynch? | ||
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Why would you want the first day to be a townlynch? Are you confident you will find 3 scums before the day ends? What use has it that you die first? | ||
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On April 04 2014 06:27 prplhz wrote: are you going to talk this mayor thing over with rayn? I don't know where he is. | ||
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On April 04 2014 06:35 Steveling wrote: Alright sentinel, can't argue now, I'm off. Ryankoshi weren't you saying our group would be first? Do I get 3 more days to play in this logic forsaken game if you put us up as 2nd? That's the reason we go second. | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:15 Holyflare wrote: Why did you put the group with palmar in first when all game you've been talking about having me and him last...? Because at first I needed more information on his group. But with sentinel posting way more I think it is ok to have the group first. Palmar was ok with it. Also somewhere I feel it is a good group to start with. | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:27 getmoript wrote: #vote coag Who cares what his alignment is. so any smart sounding opinion on Sentinel? | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:32 getmoript wrote: Yes. He's put forth more effort than Coag. And everything Sentinel says is bleeding town? | ||
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pretty pls? Sleep time for me. | ||
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Also, why change your playstyle because your top scumread does something? And I got Cav more as scum than you. Did you see the post he made about his top 3 scumreads prplhz, Balla and us? That was pretty mehhhh. The reasoning was worth nothing. Nobody was impressed by that post. | ||
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On April 04 2014 08:06 Alakaslam wrote: Ah HIJOLE I am here for teh long run | ||
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dnu where rayn is. Got a feeling he will not be superpleased. | ||
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On April 04 2014 07:05 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Day 2 “All rise for the right dishonourable judge Promethelax!” the balliff’s voice reverberates from the lofty rafters of the courtroom. Promethelax enters the courtroom, nods at the balif and sits in his leather chair. “You may be seated” he intones, doing his best to sound severe rather than gleeful. His thoughts are full of the bribe money he is sure to receive for this high profile trial but his face is blank and judicial. Outside the rain is falling, Artanis knows what this means: chaos in the universe. He watches the drops fall on the dingy streets and silently wishes to himself that corruption was as easy to clean from the city as dirt. The rivulets gain strength as the rain continues, though the rain has soaked through his thin sweater Artanis does not move from the street. The rats don't always leave a sinking ship. Someday, he is sure, someone else will step up and change the world. Turning to the jury box Promethelax addresses the assembled jurors, each of whom is as intent on using this trial for the benefit of his gang as the next. “I hear that you are ready to select a foreman, you understand the importance of his role? He will select the order in which we hear the cases and shall be hereafter known by the honourific master of the jurors.” The jurors respond in the affirmative and Promethelax continues “you have each been given an envelope, place your vote for foreman therein and pass it to me” In the envelope marked raynpelikonoshi is the largest sum of money and a small note which says “pick me! Pick me!” Not one to argue with money Promethelax speaks from the bench “the master of jurors shall be raynpelikonoshi. My good man it will be your duty to ensure we have a fair and speedy trial. Which case shall we see fisrt?” In the back of the room sheriff LoneMeow laughs to himself, no matter who loses he wins. I will be at the hanging, he promises himself, I must allow the public to see that justice is served. “Let the games begin” he whispers to himself, his smile vanishing as quickly as it came. He leaves through the shining oak doors at the back of the courtroom, glancing back as the doors swing shut behind him he watches the faces of the accused, knowing that for one of them this would be their last day in his city. The group order is as followed. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/7UW0p.png) It is now Day 2! You have until Saturday, Apr 05 9:59pm GMT (GMT+00:00) to cast your vote on one of Palmar, Sentinel or Coagulation. Voting is mandatory. Tehpoofter has been warned for failing to vote. Who is mayor? Holyflare did you do this? ~rayn | ||
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Koshi didn't want to play scum so... | ||
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it wa s fun, also plammer | ||
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:/ well nvm, you got it. Palmar gogogo"!½! | ||
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so, fuck you gumshoe. if you are town this game i hate you forever. fuck you....... fuck you. thanks i got a ban, don't give ban to koshi, not him, me. | ||
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i promise you 100% scum. <3<3<3<3<3<3<3 | ||
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i promise you all slam is mafia. i proise you all i am not mafia, geript can go fuck himself. Koshi quit the game because gumshoe, i wanted to quit too, because gumshoe, you are a fucking asshole. I want to shoot you in the face because you are a fucking dick. Artanis gave us a warning, he said "if language does no0t go down, you will be modkilled". Okay. Fair. But not fair. Fucking shit. IIt was gumshoe, not us, who was rude. 100%. Artanis take an eye on your hand and be a man. Fucking shit. FUCKING SHIT. read our QT man. Fuck you, you are not fair. Koshi quit a game because of you, you are not fair. Thank you, we were town, geript is mafia. ~rayn | ||
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