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On April 02 2014 05:15 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 05:07 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 05:03 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 04:58 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 04:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much
so how we rank these groups. i think we should have annoying unreadable players on d1 since more time with them isn't going to give us more information. there's a small consideration in that we kind of might get people's flip when their group is up so it might be a good idea to put a group with good players in d3 so later towns have something to go on for sure.
dunno though, all of these groups seems okay. if anything, i think cell4 is a good group for first lynch. Rayn you liked this post and I absolutely hate it. Why in the world do you like this post? This is an awful post and you should know why? You roll scum? I just figured it out. I was approaching the game stupidly and from the wrong perspective. ~rayn So explain why I'm right and help push for me as mayor or die. I just made a post about it. Or asked other people about it. You lynch the groups where you know mafia is and make the order based on reads after ~40 hours or so. If there are similar groups / a lot of unsureness you first pick the groups where there are players who are most likely not paying attention later on in the game (for example kush is never going to reread the thread, ever). But who gets to be the mayor does not matter. If you can explain to me why does it matter go ahead. ~rayn No I don't like your reasoning. I'm not saying you're wrong on what you've said (skimmed), but the stance: On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. No. The point is this. The order is decided by the town. The mayor is nothing but a figurehead who submits the order decided by the town to Artanis. If the order differs we policy lynch the mayor.In this case it doesn't even matter who the mayor is. Heck it might even be the top scumread + Show Spoiler +Actually that's a risky idea, but can work in specific situations. For example if the top scumread is in a group with someone we'd liked to get confirmd
I like the bolded section because its how I feel about mayor. They should be someone who is knowledgeable about the players and basically just gives the info to the mod at the end of the day and I don't feel getting voted mayor is alignment indicative unless you go against town's wishes then that would be alignment indicative. I like LSB for this post and I said earlier his post showing the activity levels although that might just be because I don't know a lot of players here so it gives me a decent idea of what to expect.
My only problem is that I do think those two posts I linked of slam seem town but rayn seems certain I'd really like to here input on this from some other people like geript/gum/prplz as to what they read off slam. For me though I'm reading Balla's cell as Balla most town then LSB then Slam in descending towniness.
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On April 02 2014 12:16 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said? I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right) Two things: #1: Is holding back your ideas hindering scum's abilities to play properly or is there any reason that you are actually holding back your ideas? If not, then you are only hindering town's ability to read you, so post what you think of your cell. #2 Like rayn said, it is EASIEST to read your cell, since you have a 50% chance of being correct therefore it is also hardest to hide within as mafia, since the people within your cell have a higher shot to read you. So you need to post about these people. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one: On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?
~rayn I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town. The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features" Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"? I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum. As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone? You thought I was scum before reading my filter? Why? This makes no sense if you thought Slam was scum. Maybe i'm misreading the "but after reading your filter". I don't read Slam off of tone, I read him off of content. I'm 2/3 with him. When he posts mostly gibberish he is town when he posts somewhat related to the game he is mafia. That didn't work for me last game so I will be more careful, right now he is town but he's had a string of posts that are making me doubt that. Plus it's not that unreasonable for him to have been changing that meta on purpose. Which leads into LSB: he has talked a lot about setup and pushed a prplhz mafia angle for a little while. From what I've seen so far it is not totally unreasonable for him to be mafia. We will see what he does. Last thing to you poofter: you just directly contradicted what you have been preaching for the past couple of hours and asked me about someone in my cell even though from your PoV I shouldn't be commenting on people in my cell. What gives?
I don't know you and rayn's alignment so I have to consider that you're attacking my plan because you're scum and know its a good idea or that you're town and my idea is shit. So The "after reading your filter" bit was me saying "well shit I read rayn as town and Balla now looks town maybe my idea was shit" so before you were neutral and I wanted you to comment on my idea after the read you both look town and so maybe my idea was bad. I have formally abandoned my plan because apparently it was bad so might as well use my town reads to figure out what they think and find out their views. You and rayn could be mafia and I'm misreading you both but since I've only played with a couple people in this game you and rayn being 2 of them and you were both town in the games I've played getting a read on you both as town and trusting your judgement seems like the best course of action. Basically I reassessed after reading your filter and am willing to try it you guys way.
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@gumshoe So you baited rayn into reading you for lying? Is that what you're saying in one point in your case?
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On April 02 2014 12:55 Balla24 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 12:45 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 12:16 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:43 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 11:37 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 11:30 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
I am also going to say this last time poofer and i try to be as clear as possible.
What you are doing is this:
You are refusing to comment on the part of the game where it is statistically easiest for you to find mafia if you are town (and therefore prove your townieness) and where it's the hardest for you to hide if you are mafia.
Can you see why it's scummy?
~rayn Well I disagree I see if I refused to give them ever that it would be scummy but thats fine I'm moving on and reading the slam/LSB/Balla cell now. If you have many people telling you what you are doing is wrong, shouldn't that tell you that you are probably wrong? You need to comment on your cell as soon as you get the chance to, and since you have been "taking notes on your cell" it should be easy for you to do so. Furthermore, why do you disagree with what rayn just said? I disagree that temporarily holding back your ideas is scummy but I do agree never telling is scummy. (Mainly I had this idea that if i got scum I'd just tunnel my own group and do nothing else and I wanted to avoid letting people do that as mafia and this sounded like a good way to do it so I'm probably just arguing cause I want my idea to be right) Two things: #1: Is holding back your ideas hindering scum's abilities to play properly or is there any reason that you are actually holding back your ideas? If not, then you are only hindering town's ability to read you, so post what you think of your cell. #2 Like rayn said, it is EASIEST to read your cell, since you have a 50% chance of being correct therefore it is also hardest to hide within as mafia, since the people within your cell have a higher shot to read you. So you need to post about these people. On April 02 2014 12:01 Tehpoofter wrote:But after reading your filter you do seem more town like when we played that Newbie game forever ago with posts like this one: On April 02 2014 04:50 Balla24 wrote:On April 02 2014 04:47 mderg wrote:On April 02 2014 04:41 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:On April 02 2014 04:33 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Sentinel what i want to know is do you want to lynch into your group or not and why.
Do you consider yourself unreadable?
~rayn I consider myself perfectly readable. I am town, thus I know that I am town.I consider myself pretty easy to read by others, if I had to guess what my town/scum features would be, it's that I get a lot more frustrated as town. In Noir I was a lot more logical and active than usual because I had 5 people to calm me down and streamline my behavior. With town I either get mad and stop caring (Nuclear Winter), or tunnel someone because I can't be arsed to do anything else (Roulette). I hate things like the bolded part, just doesn´t add anything. Everybody claims to be town. The analysis on yourself is interesting, I think it is very difficult to read peope who know their "town/scum features" Neither does your post. What exactly is the point of it? Are you calling sentinel scum because he is "claiming town"? I had highlighted that post by mderg in my normal read through and your comment I agree that his non conclusion on Sentinal is really weird like he wants to paint him as scum without actually using those words. Makes me think Mderg scummy Sentinal town. I like that you seemed to on the same thought chain as me here. So atm in my cell I'm leaning HF=town and Mderg=scum. As far as your filter what do you read on slam Balla? Do you read him like rayn based off tone? You thought I was scum before reading my filter? Why? This makes no sense if you thought Slam was scum. Maybe i'm misreading the "but after reading your filter". I don't read Slam off of tone, I read him off of content. I'm 2/3 with him. When he posts mostly gibberish he is town when he posts somewhat related to the game he is mafia. That didn't work for me last game so I will be more careful, right now he is town but he's had a string of posts that are making me doubt that. Plus it's not that unreasonable for him to have been changing that meta on purpose. Which leads into LSB: he has talked a lot about setup and pushed a prplhz mafia angle for a little while. From what I've seen so far it is not totally unreasonable for him to be mafia. We will see what he does. Last thing to you poofter: you just directly contradicted what you have been preaching for the past couple of hours and asked me about someone in my cell even though from your PoV I shouldn't be commenting on people in my cell. What gives? I don't know you and rayn's alignment so I have to consider that you're attacking my plan because you're scum and know its a good idea or that you're town and my idea is shit. So The "after reading your filter" bit was me saying "well shit I read rayn as town and Balla now looks town maybe my idea was shit" so before you were neutral and I wanted you to comment on my idea after the read you both look town and so maybe my idea was bad. I have formally abandoned my plan because apparently it was bad so might as well use my town reads to figure out what they think and find out their views. You and rayn could be mafia and I'm misreading you both but since I've only played with a couple people in this game you and rayn being 2 of them and you were both town in the games I've played getting a read on you both as town and trusting your judgement seems like the best course of action. Basically I reassessed after reading your filter and am willing to try it you guys way. Ok then, so moving on: what are your thoughts on Holyflare and mderg?
So I liked your point on mderg he seemed to make a really weird point that led me to believe he is scum and sentinal is town if thats the case. He wasn't willing to call sentinel scum off what he said but like wanted someone else to which is scummy.
As for HF he has 2 posts that cause me worry.
On April 02 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. So just to confirm with scum geript here. Plam, rayn, hf confirmed town now right?
Then right after that.
On April 02 2014 11:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 11:00 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 10:56 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 10:32 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 10:31 getmoript wrote:
I'll talk more about slam later but I'm reevaluating that whole group. His kill me post was really town Slam IMO and you got your read on him from me. I don't like your gumshoe case. I don't hate it but I don't like it. I'll filter both after work. Of course you donät like it because you are prolly mafia. ~rayn God Rayn you are like super fucking infuriating when you don't listen to me. Like I don't really care what your alignment is right now but I'm not going to listen to your scum reads anymore. Like you half bother explaining them and then you always ignore me just like you did on Toad. The sad thing is I'm pretty sure Palmer's going to phone it in and the you and HF are going to drive town into the dirt. Like I'm not sure that you're scum but regardless of your alignment what you're doing is a real dick move and I don't appreciate it. So just to confirm with scum geript here. Plam, rayn, hf confirmed town now right? Hate to say but yes I would confirm you three... Why confirm palmar? List of what he's done : 1. Said this day is shit and he wants to afk it 2. Agrees with rayn that we ashould be scum hunting today 3. Asks to be mayor repeatedly instead Is that towny to you slam?
So to me he insinuates palmer is town cause of something geript said who he reads at scum then his very next post he makes it seem like palmer is not town at all. Now I think the 2nd post is probably more indicative of how HF feels because I can see the 1st one being more of a sarcastic off hand remark and more about geript than Palmer. However it is odd that back to back posts from him call Palmer two different alignments.
HF also read my idea about the cell reads as stupid which is what rayn and balla both did and they seem town to me so I guess he should get town points for that.
For me Mderg more scummy than HF.
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@gumshoe I think your logic train on mderg being town because other people saying he is kinda weird. I mean looking at your list you are listed there but your quote doesn't seem to favor his alignment. The other people on the list I town read Balla, Rayn, and Geript. Geript the least so. HF is weird to me but hes my cellmate so thats kinda obvious. I disagree with your statement that this makes mderg auto town even if you use this 50% of players think this 1 guy is mafia thing so hes auto town your logic leaves out the fact that a lot of the time mafia tends to lurk and be inactive so there is more of a chance that the active players are mafia so I dislike this read and makes me think it might be you defending a teammate.
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@gumshoe that being said as for scum the biggest one for me is prplhz I said earlier in a post he said he wants people to just focus on the people in their groups as thats their best chance of hitting mafia. Statistically it is the best chance but people should read everyone. I also really dislike the post where he claims hes being ignored to me thats like he wants to be read as town for posting and is mad his work is going to waste.
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On April 02 2014 14:08 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 13:58 Tehpoofter wrote:
@gumshoe I think your logic train on mderg being town because other people saying he is kinda weird. I mean looking at your list you are listed there but your quote doesn't seem to favor his alignment. The other people on the list I town read Balla, Rayn, and Geript. Geript the least so. HF is weird to me but hes my cellmate so thats kinda obvious. I disagree with your statement that this makes mderg auto town even if you use this 50% of players think this 1 guy is mafia thing so hes auto town your logic leaves out the fact that a lot of the time mafia tends to lurk and be inactive so there is more of a chance that the active players are mafia so I dislike this read and makes me think it might be you defending a teammate. I was curios why he defended steveling, I am less curios about that now that rayn is most likely my adversary. Are you people really this blind? Or am I just talking to scum? This is a unique setup where every third person you talk to is red and swaths of people have gone out of their way to attack this guy, WHO WE KNOW is capable of suppar play. As for the lurkers, they have straight up not started playing, that is fucking null and nothing else, they might be scum or town, seriusly doesn't matter and that argument of yours is awful. Point is, half the actives think mdern is scum for bieng mdern, and half the actives are scum, I'm sure there's townies on the wagon too but there are almost certainly scum who judging by the qoutes WANTED to be on him.
If the distribution was even then it would be 1/3rd of the people. I feel like you're over stating the fact that these people are likely to include mafia. So out of the ones who are there calling him scum who is the scum? Like you say its half so who are the three scum?
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On April 02 2014 14:25 getmoript wrote:
But banks I'm clearly town. I clearly would've made a NK here. Not sure who. Probly Palmer if he's town.
Should probably call me poofter or no one will know who you're talking to and you'll seem crazy. Nk= night kill?
I have read you more town from the posts you've made since your first one that and the other dude in your cell has gotten scummier. I like this game because you can read those associations really easily and if two people are town and the other is mafia! So when he looks worse you look better. I do have you more town now though as I said responding to gumshoe I think.
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@ geript who are you most scumreading in cell 4 (balla, Lsb, Slam)
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On April 02 2014 15:36 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me.
Are you reading all this from him saying "maybe the mayor doesn't matter much"? Or did he have other posts that make you have this view? I'm eating so not really in a filter diving mood but your point is interesting if there is posts to back it up.
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On April 02 2014 16:27 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 16:06 Tehpoofter wrote:On April 02 2014 15:36 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 05:12 getmoript wrote:On April 02 2014 03:47 prplhz wrote:
so maybe the mayor doesn't matter much Is a super odd stance for a towny to make. It's neither stating, "I don't fucking care who mayor is and I don't fucking care about the order" OR "I super care about who the mayor is and what the order is." I've seen and played in a number of odd games and I've taken a number of unique stances about things myself, but I don't think I've ever seen a stance that's so bland about it. Like that's a really, really weird way to approach this game and I'm not liking you right now for not picking up on this specifically. I want to reiterate this post. Maybe I'm not explaining it well. This is a really good point I've been trying to make and hasn't gotten through someone. Town tends to come down and stand up for what they believe; they know they're town and will evaluate their plans and think about them and reevaluate etc. But when a townie presents a plan, they're confident in it. They like the plan. They want town to follow it. So prplhz taking such an unconfident odd stance on the mayor mattering one way or another really bugs me. Are you reading all this from him saying "maybe the mayor doesn't matter much"? Or did he have other posts that make you have this view? I'm eating so not really in a filter diving mood but your point is interesting if there is posts to back it up. No it's a read on how you present things as town and it's a super awkward way to start talking about a how you think about the game. A lot of it is based on experience. I want to go back and reread PYP Boardwalk to look at the plans proposed there, but I don't have time right now.
hmm I still don't 100% follow you but I may just be tired. Anyone else get it and want to explain it?
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So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?)
Like I could make cases on all of you guys,
GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town.
Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here.
Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such.
So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so)
Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.)
Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum.
I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit.
More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale.
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On April 03 2014 12:23 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?)
Like I could make cases on all of you guys,
GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town.
Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here.
Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such.
So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so)
Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.)
Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum.
I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit.
More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale. Congratulations you just made a 1000 word post that started with: gumshoe is mafia and ended with: gumshoe is mafia PROFIT! ~rayn
You gumshoe fought for 20 pages and its what I got out of it I will gladly waste 1000 words saying what took you guys 20 pages. You should have just ignored him rayn let the scum battle you and move on. Now onto more reads.
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Prplhz: This was my top scum read last night and honestly through the day it got worse and he said something to me that I can't get over, This post maybe the scummiest post in the game:
On April 03 2014 08:04 prplhz wrote:
mderg might be scum because he was right on steve when no one else was. i also like balla24's early read on him but that's a bit more flaky.
poofter i don't know really. low activity and i don't remember thinking his posts were all that great.
flare isn't very active.
dunno that's kind of a hard group. flare is nowhere near as townie as he was in that game we just played where no one accused him of anything the entire game.
So I hate slips I really do as part of case maybe in his mind steve is town here and mderp is the first to point it out. But It seems certain like that wording is super awkward as town. I think its scummy of him to say either way because hes saying "Hey I think this guy that same to the same conclusion as me is scummy for it" I mean maybe its like hes hipster and he knew it first is what he is going to use if steve flipped green but meh.
He also says that holyflare isn't active. I don't find that to be the case at all he was commenting the whole time during the 20 page cell 1 battle now I agree that he isn't as spammy as he was last game I played with him in titanic where he called out DP day 1 and wouldn't shut up about it (to be fair no one listened sry HF) but he still has been active in the thread so painting him as inactive to me is a lazy read.
The point on me is fair I'm a low volume player which is fine I make myself known as town and am trying to get better at hunting scum. Although personally I think my posts are great he can disagree on that.
This post seems like he wanted to give some reads on a cell but didn't really put much effort into it. Now this is either lazy town or scum not wanting to pick a side. I actually think his mderg read was a light bus tbh and will be bringing up my case on mderg after I get off work in a half hour.
@prplhz How is HF low activity? Is he said anything you do and don't like? What about me? Anything about my plan or my interactions? Mderg only scummy cause he "was right" on steve? or is there anything else?
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@gript I didn't bring up your case on rayn cause I was talking mainly in that post about cell 1 as a whole. Not outside influence as much. So there was one part of your case that I didn't like because it seems to me that rayn could easily exploit it as mafia and why he wouldn't do it is beyond me since you clearly are adamant about it.... basically the part where you say "rayn should know I'm town the fact he doesn't makes him mafia" where as rayn as mafia would know your town and could just call you town and placate you. I don't see the advantage scum rayn has unless hes partner's with exactly prphlz (who I think is mafia btw) and wants to leave it open for you to be mafia in the case that your inactive dude comes up and seems super town and hes already called you town and doesn't want to paint himself into a corner)
I'll reread it when I get home geript about to get off work here and have to clean up around here and also need to read the other games I'm in.... I'm super salty I read 20 pages of arguing and came to the same conclusion I should have just skipped the whole damn thing.
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On April 03 2014 12:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 12:19 Tehpoofter wrote:
So I'm really glad that I just read through 20 pages of gum/rayn fighting. Going into it I had a town read on rayn scum on gum and null on steve. Coming out of it gum looks even scummier steve looks scummy and so does rayn tbh. (there has to be 2 towns in each group right?)
Like I could make cases on all of you guys,
GUM: basically to me Rayn's case on gum is really strong he pretends to set some trap that doesn't work (but seems like it would only catch town if it did work) and then calls rayn scum for it. I thought rayn refuted his claim pretty well and answered some questions on it. Balla brought up a good point last night about how gum accussed rayn of doing the same thing he was doing in ignoring steve and being scummy for it. I think gum went into mega defensive mode and just started throwing shit at rayn and rayn did the same until rayn saw gum say he swears hes town. Tell me what scum gum's rationale would be for blatantly ignoring rayn's criticisms when rayn is one of the most sheep-able people on this forum. Show nested quote +
Rayn: Looks good for his case on gum then does this 180 and instantly believes him on the thing he said about swearing. I find it really odd that logical rayn town would drop his biggest case on someone he knows has a 50/50 of being scum just because he said one thing. This makes rayn look scummier in my eyes because he might have felt like others would see that and if he kept tunneling he would out himself if he were scum so he hipster switched so he could be the first one to say thats the case. (For me this means nothing btw its a game about lying I expect anyone in here would say anything to not look more town as scum and I would never fault anyone for it, I'd swear on my grandma's grave I was town and my grandma isn't even dead) So I find this really odd of rayn to switch here.
Steve: Steve then has like the weirdest reaction ever and says someone is cheating and starts getting all emo and bent out of shape about something that to me just made his cellmate rayn look more scummy and changed nothing on my read on gum. So If I was steve I would be asking the mod why he put two scum in my group not going on about cheating and such.
Last I checked, Steve had a townread on rayn and was very timidly pointing his finger at gum. This whole thing about setup being botched is a joke IMO. Even if they didn't change your opinions on gum/steve, could you give me some thoughts on the interactions between the two of them? As in Steve's thoughts on gum and vice versa Show nested quote +
So after 20 pages of bullshit-in-fighting of one cell if this were a normal game I'd probably lynch all of them and assume I hit at least 2 scum. In this game sadly only 1 is scum and 2 are town. So rayn's case on gum looks like it comes from a town point of view and maybe he is just a reactionary player and did the swap onto steve because he has some weird set of mafia morals that I would never follow so I'll give rayn the town pass here. (Now later on in the thread I think he makes other contributions to be more townie as well so this got strengthened even more so)
Steve emo quitting reminds me of rayn doing the same thing in Titanic about coag being a hydra. Rayn emod for a couple hours and turned out to be town here so I'm going to assume thats what is happening here cause I still haven't seen gum do anything really very townie and there can be only one scum. (I also have more reasons on steve here in a second based on another read.)
Rayn is not Steve, and the reasons they gave up hope were completely different and under different circumstances. Rayn continued to post very actively while Steve seems to have gone off the radar as he came closer and closer to bedtime, although that might change tomorrow. This is probably the weakest point in your argument. Show nested quote +
Right now Scum=Gum, Rayn = Town, Steve = Town cause gum is scum.
I'd just like to say this is exactly what scum would have wanted in this game and why my plan was amazing and if you guys focused elsewhere the reads would be more spread out and varied and could be scumx2 or 3xtown or something but instead we have 20 pages of fighting that might net us 1 scum and thats only if one becomes obvious which to me it hasnt. /end rant on my system as I still read Balla/Rayn as town and they both think its shit.
More on other scum that popped up during the Cell 1 Battle royale.
Where do I say that he ignored his questioning? I don't think he did he just answered them poorly like didn't respond well.
Setup being botchered is a joke? <<<i don't understand this maybe I'm misreading but I don't get this point.
I did see steve leaning on gum being mafia and actually was reading that townie (cause I was and am thinking the same thing) I'd have to go look at some of their direct interactions but I don't remember anything specific what point were you getting at with this?
The last point is mainly me just being butt hurt they didn't like my plan tbh and isn't really an accusation on anyone.
@sentinel I really don't understand your first two points all that much maybe I'm missing something. I'm about to get off work but I'll be back around in 30 minutes and look more thoroughly on what you said I might have read it to quick.
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@geript rereading your thing on rayn I think your case is from a townie POV I just don't agree with it. I read rayn for other reasons mainly his case on gum and his general town rayn gung ho attitude.
@geript I think we should do your group first and get prplhz did you read my case on him? I think he is scum.
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@ whoever is around hopefuly rayn, balla who do you think is scum in cell 5? I actually town read geript even though I think his case on rayn is wrong I think it comes from a town mindset while I think prplhz is scummy as I put in my case and I geript did in his as well.
@LSB So you are the best mayor? What are your reads on my cell (cell 2)? I see you put us 2nd to last by PoE.
What if it came down to the last day and it came down to your group and you're choosing between Slam and Balla (assuming you're town) do you feel confident in your ability to read slam?
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Thread dead atm reading catastrophe and dr who will check back intermittently I want to ask questions nad talk to people but some people sleep at night like weirdos.
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oh @rayn if you had my mayor vote do you have an idea what group order you'd do? Sorry if I missed it earlier I didn't take good notes reading that novel at work.
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