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On April 05 2014 02:48 gumshoe wrote:
Ok, lets make this simple shall we? You have said over and over that I am not this dumb and therefore scum. Palmer, my group was likely to be a no lynch, if we lynch you today and your green, we can just lynch me on day 3. No take backsies. Its a 1 for 1 if im wrong and scum. But if I'm right, this whole game turns on its head. I mean, your done today no matter what, so whats wrong with the trade?
People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start.
Not according to me and some others, lol.
As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed.
He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz.
Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it?
In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical.
Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said.
Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me.
Target whomever you want but make valid points pls.
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As corny as HF sounds, that's what I gathered from all other player's posts.
That rayn, HF and Palmar are some kind of mafia NAVI that are never wrong and are gonna rape us.
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Regardless their alignment on top of that, just generally rape.
Tentacles and stuff.
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Alright on coag,
Two points I that appeal to me
First,
On April 03 2014 01:51 Coagulation wrote:
lynch slam. rayns meta read is spot on
I don't know about that, people who know both of them speak up pls?
Is he right?
Second,
On April 04 2014 08:20 Coagulation wrote:
im cool with being lynched or w/e cause im not reading this shit anyway if im just gonna be lynched. btw im town so umm sent is likely the scum in my group. toodles.
-coag
This is the only thing of note from his 1st page. Take it as you will, it doesn't sit well with me.
People that know him like Palmar say that's something a town coag would do, I can't say the same.
Again with the damned meta, why don't you people treat every game as a different one?
Not all of us have played a bazillion games with you.
Next page
On April 04 2014 08:40 Coagulation wrote:
right.....
##vote sentinal
This come right after raynkoshi are modkilled but I don't know why, there isn't a single sentinel post in the 3 previous pages.
Mby meta again? Coag explain pls?
Again scumclaming against sentinel with this
On April 04 2014 11:46 Coagulation wrote:
hes wiffle waffling and super over defensive and hes upset rayn who is cinfirmed scum quit. ezpz
In my own sentinel post I found him as I said "flimsy" so we agree here.
I can't speak about rayn confirmed. I admit it fits though.
Later on,
On April 04 2014 20:25 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 19:09 Steveling wrote:
Um, whatever, I guess?
Since cell1 is day3 let's focus on the cells in line first?
Anyone here? This dude is one trillion percent confirmed scum.
and
On April 04 2014 20:36 Coagulation wrote:
I WAS WRONg about you stevo, im sorry. Actually you are you scummy, you are too scummy to be scum and go back to being townie.
Umm, ok? lol
Page3 and we have some action,
On April 04 2014 20:43 Coagulation wrote:
ok so palmar is scum.
A bus d1 is pretty unlikely, especially from a player type like sentinel.
Sentinel looks scummy as town.
Palmar is trying to be a town hero.
##unvote
##vote palmar
His reasons for flipping between them
On April 04 2014 20:47 Coagulation wrote:
Also, palmar has a history of being a very active scum player. Not recently maybe, but definitely in the past. That means the capability for a 9 page filter is there. IN fact, the heightened importance of this game makes it even more likely that scum palmar would bring out the try hard.
and
On April 04 2014 20:57 Coagulation wrote:
Sentinel is scummy as town. Pure meta. Haven't read a single post of his. But I have played several games with him and he is very often thought to be scummy for his aloof play. Objectively, that alone makes him more likely to be town.
Plus the unlikelihood of a bus needs to be considered. Rayn is not a lynch bait player, which makes him less likely to be bussed. Also Sentinel is not a heavy buser as scum (metaread).
Also, busing is down trending. Everyone expects scum to bus now, so it has lost its effectiveness. It has become a better play to defend your scum team instead.
So let me get this straight coag.
First you sheep another person's meta read, for agreeing with your meta read that sentinel is scummy.
And then you say that
On April 04 2014 20:57 Coagulation wrote:
Sentinel is scummy as town. Pure meta.
What?
Many scum points for that.
He scumclaims against HF after that, with the following reasoning,
On April 04 2014 23:00 Coagulation wrote:
Also holyflare is 100% scum due to the fact that he's present but not doing anything.
He's been useless all game.
He's been nitpicking hardcore. He is picking out where people's logic is bad without the end in mind to catch scum.
Coag blaming another player for being useless all game, >.< .
Anyway, he made big case against HF
+ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2014 23:41 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:35 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 10:33 Alakaslam wrote:On April 02 2014 10:30 Holyflare wrote:
No poofter the best strategy is to find scum. This is easiest in your own cell because if you are town it's between 2 people and then you just find the obvious inconsistencies and mafia behavioural patterns because you 100% know one of them is scum. Just because the mechanics are a little different doesn't mean the underlying principle of finding and lynching mafia have changed.
Just find the mafia in the cell and point them out and then move on and find more. But I suck at this. Holyflare, if you had to say one of LSB and Balla is scum, who, why? However if I am scummier than both, why? No idea, lsb's post of what order to lynch stuff looked really terrible. Can't remember much i just got in from bday celebrating and skimmed! Yet he is blaming his not caring on shit that happened after this. He is pulling excuses straight out of his asshole. Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 21:12 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 21:07 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 21:05 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 21:03 Palmar wrote:On April 02 2014 21:02 Holyflare wrote:
I used meta as a support to confirm that what he was doing was weird in the first place. If you take away the meta, what he's done is still nothing but fake looking activity. That's the point, it doesn't confirm anything and you're making it look like it does. I didn't know it was 3 days into a game if it's his 3rd post because that's ridiculous to assume. Either way his FIRST post on you still illustrates the same point. He hasn't made any posts like that this game. And that post is 24 hours into the game. Your point? Seriously, wtf are you doing? REGARDLESS OF META, his posts this game say absolutely nothing. I don't honestly care if his post happened 4 days into the game or 4 hours into the game. If i metad him wrong, boo hoo, i didn't read well enough about the time in a game. It's very simple for mafia to hide behind posts like he's made. Either way, i asked steve what he thought of people blindly agreeing with what i said, what is YOUR opinion on that seeing as you say it's wrong. I haven't really seen your opinion at all on anything. classic scumslip. thanks for the insight on what mafia do. had some recent first hand experience with that huh? TOTALLY IGNORING/TOWNREADING RAYN Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:30 Holyflare wrote:On April 03 2014 03:29 Steveling wrote:
Holyflare what do you think about ryankoshi now? still town CONSTANT BITCH ABOUT LURKING Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 03:55 Holyflare wrote:
this game mode really fucking sucks when there are lurkers, prime scum strategy is to lurk ATTACKING TOWNIES FOR BAD LOGIC, WITH NO CONNECTION TO SCUM HUNTING> Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 23:40 Holyflare wrote:On April 03 2014 23:34 Steveling wrote:
As I explained, I was the most green player.
I was so green that when gum proposed me as mayor couple people were like "whatever, ok".
That's why he was afraid.
And if you go back to ryan's filter you will notice that he did that mental gymnastics with gumshoe exactly when I was in the mayor talk, which I didn't even want to, as I said I have no experience as mayor.
Pay attention pls, if they are scum, they know that I am town. And I was not 100% with them against gum which means they could very well lose the cell, right?
It also explains his fixation on getript.
Don't forget that while they made some good points about gumshoe, he doesn't have a valid point against getript(besides getript's very early weird posts which are not enough for the heat he's receiving by rayn imo).
And I'm getting down to my previous point, the majority didn't thought of him as town.
We are 15 players. Gum, getript and per my hypothesis, me, were against him, minus him, that's 11 players left.
From these 11 coal and ceph were lurking. That's 9 left, from these 9 mderg, sentinel, slam, lsb, poofter and balla did not, I repeat in bold and if I'm wrong pls uses quotes from their filters, did not have yet an opinion on ryankoshi.
With the power of logic we can deduce that 9-6=3.
Me+gum+getript=3 as well.
I feel so bad in this game, I'm getting punished because I got mad at a fundamentally wrong mafia play that I think is cheating.
Ryan still refuses to show any semblance of coherence whatsoever, I'm busting my head reading filters all day trying to come to logical conclusions and I'm getting fos'd.
Anyway, do we agree holyflare now that the majority didn't find him town at that point?
Do we agree that I was greener than a Peter Jackson prairie film shot?
Do these 2 points make my argument about ryankoshi's 180 feasible at all? How is the bolded true at all? You also can't include yourself in the anti rayn train or mderg BECAUSE YOU TWO ONLY SWITCHED TO RAYN AFTER HIS SWITCH. ICING ON THE CAKE Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 20:40 Holyflare wrote:On April 03 2014 20:31 mderg wrote:
I think you are scum and just trying to get a fast and easy lynch on one player in your cell (me).
First you point me out as certain scum like 4 hours into the game. After that almost every suspicion or calling people out was strongly related to me (gumshoe defended me concerning my wagon, I defended steveling). You didn´t really push any other cases, mainly focused on people with a connection to the case on me.
So I thought I´d ask you which cell you want to be up first to reinforce my suspicion. You answered exactly like I thought you would by searching for a fast and easy misslynch on me.
Right now the only real reads to be made on me flipping town would be regarding cell1 which has been in chaos the whole game. Not much for the other scum to fear.
That´s my take on you right now, Holyflare I am a strong town player who is top of the power rankings. I can solve games if i stay in them. The only reason i want to lynch our cell first is because you look really scummy and - 1 scum is better early than a potential mislynch. If i was scum I'd want to stay in the game longer and manipulate as many people into mislynching as possible CONFIRMED LOSS IN POWER RANKINGS BUTTHURT
He has one and a half valid points but he's throwing too much weight on them for such a bold claim I think.
One being the argument HF had vs Palmar regarding mderg's meta, HF was wrong on that.
The half being HF perma-reading ryankoshi as town even after his death.
The rest are not proper arguments.
After some fluff posts
On April 05 2014 02:04 Coagulation wrote:
palmar is really engaged. looks quite town, so it must be sent right?
##unvote
##vote sent
Da faq?
Like couple posts above guys, you can read that he said.
On April 04 2014 20:47 Coagulation wrote:
Also, palmar has a history of being a very active scum player. Not recently maybe, but definitely in the past. That means the capability for a 9 page filter is there. IN fact, the heightened importance of this game makes it even more likely that scum palmar would bring out the try hard.
Then he says that palmar seems engaged and 180 or rather 360 against sentinel again??????????
What? This is a huge scum point award by me.
Like these posts are even on the same page in his filter.
Aaand that's all about coag.
Lol, I don't even, by far the scummiest of the 3.
Like, can you explain any of this coag?
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So coag get's a mental-level-CRAZY diagnosis paper and is free to do and say what he wants?
Anyway, I see some new posts I have to address along with yours gum.
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On April 05 2014 03:06 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 02:56 Steveling wrote:On April 05 2014 02:48 gumshoe wrote:
Ok, lets make this simple shall we? You have said over and over that I am not this dumb and therefore scum. Palmer, my group was likely to be a no lynch, if we lynch you today and your green, we can just lynch me on day 3. No take backsies. Its a 1 for 1 if im wrong and scum. But if I'm right, this whole game turns on its head. I mean, your done today no matter what, so whats wrong with the trade?
People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start.
Not according to me and some others, lol. As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed. He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz. Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it?In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical. Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said. Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me. Target whomever you want but make valid points pls. No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them. 2: Your looking at it the wrong way bus wise, you think scum can bus any cell, its not like that, think of it as an election, say your scum team is rayn mdern palmer prplz slam You CANNOT throw the cells your are likely to win (ie plamar and rayn) you want to work to make sure those cells pan out no matter what because the mdern and slam cells can very well fail (leaving prp as a swing vote. It's like an election, where each side feels they can win certain states, and only like 12 are in the balance. If you have palmar in a cell with coag and sent, there is no reason palmar should lose that match and scum should do as much as they can to make sure that doesnt happen, thereby leaving clear connections.
No no and no. This is wrong, period.
You don't lynch anyone with the end game in mind in this setup, I think that's clear.
On April 05 2014 03:06 gumshoe wrote:
No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them.
I'll push for a lynch on you when our time comes if you keep going with this logic.
How can you not get that this is criminal?
This is the post you wanted me to see and comment on? facepalm
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On April 05 2014 03:54 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 03:51 Steveling wrote:On April 05 2014 03:06 gumshoe wrote:On April 05 2014 02:56 Steveling wrote:On April 05 2014 02:48 gumshoe wrote:
Ok, lets make this simple shall we? You have said over and over that I am not this dumb and therefore scum. Palmer, my group was likely to be a no lynch, if we lynch you today and your green, we can just lynch me on day 3. No take backsies. Its a 1 for 1 if im wrong and scum. But if I'm right, this whole game turns on its head. I mean, your done today no matter what, so whats wrong with the trade?
People are unwilling to consider Plam and Rayn because they have played well, but they can do that as scum / : Rayn has claimed scum and despite the circumstance of that, is Plamar not more likely scum if Rayn is telling the truth? If we lynch Coag or sent, who gives a shit, we will learn absolutely nothing, lynch palmar though and we can reveal how this game has been controlled by scum since the start.
Not according to me and some others, lol. As for the rest of your post, first of all rayn hasn't claimed. He did and then he town claimed, he even left his "last will" reads to to speak. Some people think he scum claimed, some not but for a most people he didn't scumclaim. People who know him well say that he did, like HF. People who don't, say that he didn't, like prplz. Second, your point would be valid in a normal setup. You are telling us to lynch palmar to get reads off of it?In a game which whole cells are removed after a lynch? Really? In what world is that logical. Scum can bus whomever they want exactly because this is a cell removal setup. You have no solid reason to say what you just said. Honestly gum, make some sense pls, talk to me. Target whomever you want but make valid points pls. No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them. 2: Your looking at it the wrong way bus wise, you think scum can bus any cell, its not like that, think of it as an election, say your scum team is rayn mdern palmer prplz slam You CANNOT throw the cells your are likely to win (ie plamar and rayn) you want to work to make sure those cells pan out no matter what because the mdern and slam cells can very well fail (leaving prp as a swing vote. It's like an election, where each side feels they can win certain states, and only like 12 are in the balance. If you have palmar in a cell with coag and sent, there is no reason palmar should lose that match and scum should do as much as they can to make sure that doesnt happen, thereby leaving clear connections. No no and no. This is wrong, period. You don't lynch anyone with the end game in mind in this setup, I think that's clear. On April 05 2014 03:06 gumshoe wrote:
No, your totally wrong, we get more out of lynching for info in this setup, because 1: the person is going to die anyways, so we dont lose anything but the point when we kill them. I'll push for a lynch on you when our time comes if you keep going with this logic. How can you not get that this is criminal? This is the post you wanted me to see and comment on? facepalm Sigh. Steve I truly thought you were a better player than this ) : Scum know they can win certain cells over others. Thats not planning for an endgame because they literally dont know what the end game is (they cant be sure that theyll secure the order until they actually have) they merely know which cells to focus on.
And you are telling me that you do know which cells are gonna be won?
I don't get it, are you scumclaming? lmao
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Getmoript I read your post about me.
All is fine until the awkward moment when you have to explain this
On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote:
Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2
How do I look scummier than gumshoe who's making mistakes and making stuff up all game long, before and after ryankoshi's thing.
How do I look scummier than ryankoshi after the oath thing and the drunk thing.
I'm all eyes.
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Is there something wrong with that or is it more meta garbage?
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I don't know about palmar but if you want to lynch me tomorrow, be my guests.
Town will be most probably 1 point away from losing after that.
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So Holyflare since you are here.
What do you think about my coag post?
Also palmars?
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On April 05 2014 04:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote:
Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi.
You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing.
My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys?
Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote:On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.
Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever.Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote:
Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking?
About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum.
I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by.
The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own.
That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum.
I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself.
I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part.
Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate.
You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] +On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him:
Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum:Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :
I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yes please.
~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!!There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to:
Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means:I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird.....
not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post. - In the green part gumshoe, as town in the last game we played, claims his stance. He says "being readable is a big part of good town play. It's retarded to think otherwise."
- In the red part gumshoe claims his stance in this game. You need to remember this has to do with the point #1 i presented. I have an argument that gumshoe is mafia because he is lying. I want to know why gumshoe is lying and if he has an explanation regarding why it makes sense to lie here as town. His stance is "why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? If you can't read me, that's not my fault."
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation!
Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + :I'll just make a list of these: - gumshoe refuses to answer my case on him and fearmongers something about "you can't read me scum because Steveling bla bla". That's didging an argument, Steveling not posting has nothing to do with if gumshoe is scum or not
- As Balla already pointed out then gumshoe calls me mafia for this. In case gumshoe's logic as town was "you can't call me scum because the other dude has not posted" he can't based on his own logic call me mafia for that. The point is not if this is true or not, the point is if gumshoe thinks this is a good heuristic he can't possibly forget it when it comes to me. He is selectively choosing to apply his heuristics when they benefit him and forget's them when they don't.
- gumshoe refuses to comment on my arguments on his case on me. Instead of telling people why i am wrong (i must be if i am scum and he has a good case on me right?) he only makes the same case again and hammers the same answered points over and over again. See my pretty picture. That's not how townies work.
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish.
But this is, well how should I put it, questionable?
Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is.
At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument.
As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself.
Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad.
And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question!
hahaha, lol gum, nice try mate, ))).
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I find it extremely hilarious that while sentinel was typing that post about gumshoe lying trying to manipulate situations, you did it again with this, lol
On April 05 2014 04:48 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 04:41 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 03:33 getmoript wrote:On April 03 2014 01:17 Steveling wrote:
Gum, when I started being active today first thing I did was filter you and raynkoshi.
You can check my post on them, frankly I didn't find a single anti town thing.
My view on them hasn't changed since then as well, their case on you was solid.
Anyway, we should get some heat from other cells as well, guys?
Promote discussion pls. This post really bugs me. Never in playing mafia have I ever found a filter with nothing I found bad in it. But what's even odder to me is the complete non-chalance before about Rayn/Gum. I think HF pinged me on this point earlier in the game and I remember it being odd, but in rereading it sticks out even more and more. Specifically, Steveling essentially made this huge case on Gumshoe where he ends up with a fence read. The thing that specifically bugs me is that in this setup, if I'm town and I have a super town read on someone else and a neutral read on the third person, then I'm going to read the fuck out of the third person to figure out what I'm missing and where I'm going wrong. It gets weirder: On April 02 2014 20:51 Steveling wrote:On April 02 2014 20:42 Holyflare wrote:On April 02 2014 20:39 Steveling wrote:
I read your thing against mderg, holyflare and tbh I'm not convinced.
Also I'm waiting for you to answer palmar's questions about mdergs meta filter.
Everyone with soft posts and inactivity and fluff is scum candidate but you seem way too fixated on him for some reason. Regardless, if you don't agree with what i said then what conclusions do you draw from the people that agreed with me when i said it? Are they then mafia for sheeping onto a town or what? First, if I had to bet on it, I'd say he's town. Now about the people that bus'd him Tehpoofter and getript seemingly blindly jump on him. Definitely suspicious for me. Gumshoe's suspicion I think is kinda silly, why would mderg defend me like that out of the blue, it would be literally the worst mafia play ever.Balla doesn't really hard claim him as scum as the others, he's just saying that his filter is scammy/inactive/fluff. So, can't form an opinion on balla based on that. Raynkoshi made the connection between mderg and gum but and raynkoshi so far gets a town read in my book so there's that. I like the joke there and laughed "I think he's town but about those people bussing him..." The weird thing here is that he again calls RaynKoshi town and calls Gum's suspicion silly. There's really too much of this to ignore. On April 02 2014 23:55 Steveling wrote:
Alright, I just had the time to properly read raynkoshi's case and gum's um, lack of debunking?
About the trap thing, raynkoshi's 1st point, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt gum.
I explained earlier that I find that part of your game flawed but genuinely your style and mby town play. Same thing you did when we played together. You are still in the wrong but I'm passing it by.
The 2nd point they made is very very legit though. Rare are the cases where the town benefits if they lynch their own.
That holds for a normal setup though, for this setup in which after each lynch a whole cell goes OUT of the game your "don't give a crap what you think about me" is inherently scum.
I'm surprised you can't see it for yourself.
I was willing to give you even more time to explain yourself right until that part.
Their 3rd point also stands and you still don't give a damn. You are not making it easy mate.
You don't have my vote of confidence anymore. + Show Spoiler [Rayn's case] +On April 02 2014 22:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:Here is why gumshoe is mafia and we should be lynching him:
Point #1: gumshoe's bait and why it does not make sense from town perspective and proves he is scum:Here is the full conversation regarding this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 06:17 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I read bla bla bla can't tell if true or false because impossilble to know if he went to sleep or not. I dunno, why should i think something? getmoript is mafia agreed or not? ~rayn I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / : Now here other stuff happens and both of me and gumshoe discuss other things. Later on i revisit the argument and it bothers me because it looks weird. I ask gumshoe this: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:40 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 06:10 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 05:46 Steveling wrote:
Was watching champions league.
Sleep time, will catch up on everything tomorrow. Steveling plays alot of video games, he lives in greece(athens, its 11:57 over there at the time of this post) and has been known to post/stay up/game late. He also likes quality literature and is invested in public conflict (like the syrian civil war). Which gives me the sense he is excited to play mafia overall and I find he can be quite active at the start of games (have not played with him in some time but thats my old impression). Seems interesting that he feels the need to recalibrate instead when this is really the best time to jump on the game, I mean theres only like 6 pages so far, perhaps he wants to tread lightly? Rayn watcha think? I am trying so hard to think about this post and what the fuck is the point of all this. gumshoe what's the point of all this? On April 02 2014 06:22 gumshoe wrote:
I'm just curios if you had thoughts on steve, or any history with him I should know of / :
I don't believe this. I don't believe this for one second. ~rayn Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 08:52 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:43 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
yes please.
~rayn I was offering an olive branch to see your reaction. No I wasn't honestly going after Steve with so little, but you know I'm capable of weird arguments like that so If your scum you have to consider 2 things, if I'm genuine and if your better off tentatively agreeing with me or turning on me for that silly read. Now read the red part and the green part. Both are gumshoe's answers. Both cannot possibly be true. Agreed? Yes, good. Now this leads us to the following: gumshoe says he laid a trap on me and i did not take the bait. Okay, maybe this is true. However why this is scummy is because the trap and the conclusion from it happened before gumshoe makes his green explanation. If it was truly a trap gumshoe has his conclusion already. In this case he would post the red part instead of lying and posting the green part in the first place. There is absolutely no reason to lie about the motivation behind your argument when asked, especially when you have already gotten your conclusion!!There is no town motivation for gumshoe to do what he did. This also leads me to:
Point #2: gumshoe's contradicting stance regarding readability and what it means:I made a post about this already. It's here: Show nested quote +On April 02 2014 10:21 raynpelikonoshi wrote:So i went to see if Holyflare is hard to read for gumshoe. Turns out he had a pretty clear read on him in World Heavyweight mafia game (where he was town) half past D1. I also found this: On March 28 2014 01:53 gumshoe wrote:On March 28 2014 01:30 Holyflare wrote:
because it is so wrong, not reading your pm enables you to be towny because you have no hesitation about finding your partner at that point because you don't know who he is so your entire reason for voting palmar is incredibly weird.....
not to mention he actually claimed scum, why haven't you commented on that instead? Cause I'm not there yet : P and I disagree, bieng readable is a big part of bieng town, if you make your self unreadable you can't be trusted. I'm not going to argue with you about this because it's retarded to think otherwise. However as me and gumshoe talk about being readable in this game his stance is this: On April 02 2014 09:14 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 09:03 raynpelikonoshi wrote:On April 02 2014 08:56 gumshoe wrote:On April 02 2014 08:54 raynpelikonoshi wrote:
Why didn't you say so in the first place when i gave my answer and asked the same question?
~rayn Because there's a 50 percent chance your scum therefore I owe you no favours, and I didn't catch anything worth bringing up at that moment. So instead of answering me you decided to lie because "you don't owe me anything"? Do you realize i am supposed to have a read on you in this game and it's not looking quite townie atm. ~rayn "Mafia is about finding scum, period" your words not mine, why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? You opinion is literally a coin flip away from worthless to me. If you can't read me, that's not my fault, I am playing the game as I see fit, your bieng shit at reads doesn't factor in to my play. Here i present you our first...... Confirmed scumscumscumscumscum!!!! ezpz ~rayn Look at the post. - In the green part gumshoe, as town in the last game we played, claims his stance. He says "being readable is a big part of good town play. It's retarded to think otherwise."
- In the red part gumshoe claims his stance in this game. You need to remember this has to do with the point #1 i presented. I have an argument that gumshoe is mafia because he is lying. I want to know why gumshoe is lying and if he has an explanation regarding why it makes sense to lie here as town. His stance is "why should I care about your read on me until I know what you are? If you can't read me, that's not my fault."
Why this is scummy? Because town!gumshoe PROVABLY thinks the exact opposite he claims in this game. He only says what he does in this game because he lied and can't explain it in any other way. His explanation does not match with what town!gumshoe thinks. Noone can possibly have a contradicting stance on what is the optimal play for a townie regarding being readable or not when they are town, it's impossible, regardless of the game or situation!
Point #3: gumshoe is dodging arguments and working against his own heuristics + :I'll just make a list of these: - gumshoe refuses to answer my case on him and fearmongers something about "you can't read me scum because Steveling bla bla". That's didging an argument, Steveling not posting has nothing to do with if gumshoe is scum or not
- As Balla already pointed out then gumshoe calls me mafia for this. In case gumshoe's logic as town was "you can't call me scum because the other dude has not posted" he can't based on his own logic call me mafia for that. The point is not if this is true or not, the point is if gumshoe thinks this is a good heuristic he can't possibly forget it when it comes to me. He is selectively choosing to apply his heuristics when they benefit him and forget's them when they don't.
- gumshoe refuses to comment on my arguments on his case on me. Instead of telling people why i am wrong (i must be if i am scum and he has a good case on me right?) he only makes the same case again and hammers the same answered points over and over again. See my pretty picture. That's not how townies work.
Thank you for reading. ~rayn So Steveling has town read on rayn; there's a lack of debunking of rayn's case by gumshoe; steveling likes rayn's case. How can this guy not just call gumshoe scumshoe here. I really don't get it. The thing that I find odd about this in particular is that if you read Gumshoe's post in context, then it's super easy to dismiss Rayn's point 2. Point 1 from Rayn's case is far more convincing and a better point imo (although I personally don't find any of Rayn's case convincing). Point 3 I can seen from a lot of directions. The important thing here is that Steve should just be hammer Scumshoe into the ground here and pushing for Group 1 first. On April 03 2014 02:23 Steveling wrote:
I'm trying to figure this out, because so far they have being very townish.
But this is, well how should I put it, questionable?
Anyway, you can have your own opinion, illogical as it is.
At least make a case against me so I can defend myself. X swore on his life so he's legit is not much of an argument.
As I said earlier what everyone needs to do is defend themselves because a single lynch removes an entire cell from the game so I'll defend myself.
Just try to find a proper reason if you can? Dunno, this play of yours is very bad.
And one last thing, ryankoshi, you didn't respond to that, what if I also swear I'm town? I don't disagree with Steve here. Rayn's reason for flipping his read on gumshoe was weird/illogical/whatever. The odd response specifically is Steve's been super convinced that Gum is scum here; he's found gum's posting scummy, he's found rayn super town, he's liked rayn's case and thinks the points are scummy/damning. But the weird thing is that he's not hammering any of this shit home when gumshoe gets a freebie townread. I don't see why he's not just rehammering all of those arguments back into rayn if he reallys thinks Gum is scum. Overall, I think gum's town, I'm going to assume Rayn is town. Steve looks really odd and scummy so he hsould be lynch #2 this whole post states reasons why steve is more likely town You dont seem to think either me or Steve are scum so question!
Anyway present a case with solid points first, not " OMG X SHOULD BE TOWN, SO Y IS SCUM, SO LETS MISSLYNCH TO GET INFO FOR THE LATEGAME " .
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I agree on latest sentinel post.
No matter how you see it, it's concrete stuff and while he was typing it gumshoe did exactly what sentinel described, lol.
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This is the kind of posting I like.
Not the coag endless meta upon meta upon I'm-not-reading-the-thread posts.
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On April 05 2014 05:24 getmoript wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2014 05:19 Holyflare wrote:On April 05 2014 05:16 getmoript wrote:
Rayn was not town. Move on. I already told you all why he wasn't.
We should be focusing on why there are still a boatload of votes on Coag who clearly doesn't give a shit about this game and lacks the connections to actually be scum in this case.
~Cav What the fuck is this. YOU GUYS JUST MADE A CASE SAYING STEVE WAS SCUM!! I'm focusing on the fact that Coag is town right now, because I want to focus on today's lynches. ~Cav
Can you explain why is it a fact.
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Hi, I see you are new in this thread.
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At least read the last couple of pages if you don't want to waste much time...
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