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On March 25 2014 20:46 marvellosity wrote: Going for <8 pages of filter D1 need to be able to play scum in the future Marv confirmed to have another 20 page D1. | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:19 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn are you scumreading robik? just say it if you are What was the intention of this question? @Robik On March 26 2014 14:43 IAmRobik wrote: No they don't. Let me expound: there are appropriate and inappropriate spots to use smiley faces. The two times Rayn was mafia, they were put in spots where they seemed forced to me. In my experience, it is more likely for mafia to post a smiley because they need to feign happiness. In the 2-3 mafia games that I've seen from Rayn, he's made a smiley emote that didn't sync with his post. It didn't jive well. I called him out on it. This game he didn't post a smiley. He didn't feel the need to. The one time that he did use it so far (that I've noticed), it was actually applicable. Like, you're going to read this and think it's shit and never believe it and never use it. That doesn't mean I'm not correct. You can claim whatever you want holyflare. You're wrong on Rayn. Wait, you have never played a town game with rayn, is that right? Can you explain me in as few sentences as possible why you read rayn as town? You can leave out the smiley stuff, I got that. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:28 thrawn2112 wrote: phagga: I thought rayn was lying about point #2 because of how stupid it was. So I thought he was scum reading robik but I wanted to make sure I was interpreting the post correctly apparently #2 is truth so rayn's mafia oh, ok. I was wondering why you only wanted a yes/no and no reason. | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: So here you literally prove you have no idea why i am townreading Robik and have no intention of figuring that out. In my "game" post i never explain why i townread Robik, it's pretty clear from that post. You are too smart to make dumb conclusions based on incomplete information and that's why i think you are mafia. Can you explain us why you townread robik? | ||
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On March 26 2014 15:52 Holyflare wrote: what do you make of this set of events that just happened? i like that you jumped back to robik's post about not seeing any rayn town games so what do you think of rayn saying me pointing it out is shit logic? and why does he not want to talk to me if he thinks i'm capable of doing this "shit logic" as town? Haven't read everything past this post: You have twisted rayns words around. Rayn never says he reads robik town because of his smilies, as was explained before. Also: On March 26 2014 14:21 Holyflare wrote: well then you are mafia because this is a crock of shit You think he is town but he is displaying odd traits BUT THEN YOU POINT IT OUT THAT HE IS DOING IT INSTEAD OF WAITING. Rayn, you are mafia bro. Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least. It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points. So, I don't like your position currently. Will read the rest of the thread now. | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:08 thrawn2112 wrote: lol rayn it's so funny watching you pretend like you know why i'm voting for you Why are you voting rayn? I don't see an explanation in your filter. | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:34 Holyflare wrote: this is not true (1) So basically you have the same interpretation of that sentence now as I do? (2) But he has meanwhile explained his read, why is that not good? | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:32 Holyflare wrote: because his initial read was your FIRST POST didn't contain a smiley, none of the games you have played as mafia ever contain a smiley in your first post so then he says it's your other posts that didn't convince him that you weren't town so then it's your other posts and not only your first post and THEN he says you haven't posted an out of place smiley in any of your posts if this was his initial read it would stated first about the smiley thing in all of your posts, not just your first post Again, you are either not reading correctly or twisting around words: Robik said "in the firsts posts, not the first post. On March 26 2014 13:33 IAmRobik wrote: Cause I do read him town off of that 1 post mostly. Having said that, none of his posts this game have made me change my opinion of him. Also, he hasn't posted a smiley emoticon in the first few posts of his, which indicates further than he's town Mafia Rayn would end this post with  | ||
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On March 26 2014 16:55 Holyflare wrote: you returned to the thread and the first thing you point out is how robik has not read a single town game of rayns i question him on this, point out it's weird, question why rayn didn't pick up on it and then rayn makes a giant wall of text that says nothing other than he has a town read on robik who at this point looks like he is full of crap, he then further perpetuates that my case is "bad" has "shit logic" and then flat out tells me he will not talk to me anymore at all. Later and ONLY later he then reveals his read on robik was based on past games where he gets town reads and not reads based on logic after all of those posts I had made that asked him to explain, asked why he didn't question. The first post I made he could have instantly pointed this out but he did not, he waited and argued and continued to make me try and point it out. hmm ok, I thought I read that he told you that you where misreading his posts early on, but the only thing I find is this: On March 26 2014 14:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: That's not what he said. You are interpreting the post in a way it's not meant. That's absolutely not what Robik says. 2 is incorrect too. I agree that rayn is needlessly antagonizing you. But I can follow his explanation regarding his read on robik and find it sound. | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:01 Holyflare wrote: and no, you are misreading. He says he would post a smiley emoticon after his FIRST POST and this is fucking redundant because my vote is on rayn for the reasons i have stated so many many many times That's only half his post, are you not reading the rest or what? You're the one still pushing the point with the first post and the smiley, so why is it suddenly redundant? | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:15 Holyflare wrote: because my vote is not on him it is on rayn for doing everything that he just did, also the fact that when i questioned robik his first response was: This implies that his read on rayn was based on his first post and I established that the smiley stuff that he brought up later was to do with his FIRST POST and not his later posts which he only mentioned after i questioned him. Like I said, it's a lie because rayns first post never contains a smiley face. I've said this all before. Phagga, what do you think of rayns logic on thrawn? You haven't commented on any of it, only about me. Rayn gives the following reasons for scumThrawn: - Thrawn calls rayn scum because of rayns townrobik read - Thrawn says rayn has a townread on Holyflare - Thrawn does not jump to conclusions with incomplete information as town 1 and 2 are obvious, he did not know the reason for either town read. Regarding three, I don't know how thrawn plays. Since I read rayn rather town currently I am inclined to believe him that thrawn would not play that way. When he explained his read on robik, I can follow it. Also, the discussion early on between gumshoe and Palmar would have been a good moment to try framing gumshoe, but he tried to diffuse the situation instead. I don't like how he attacked you needlessly without giving the information you wanted, but generally he comes off as genuine to me, and I agree with him that points you brought up against him are weak and/or false. | ||
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On March 26 2014 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote: then read it again. he's making stuff up and not making any sense. the initial reason I voted for him which I haven';t explained until now, is the tone of his "game" post. it looks very fake and not liek something I expect rayn to write regardless of whatever I think about the content of the post. as to the content... "2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." -i doubt rayn doesn't care about winning the belt Where does he say he does not care about the belt? - "I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative" what the fuck does this even mean? if robik is scum then of course he is not "some sort of psychic" who is excellent at reading rayn. if robik is scum the robik KNOWS RAYN IS TOWN and doesn't need to try and figure out if rayn is town. like... i can't properly explain the problem I have with this quote because I don't even know what the quote is meant to say. it's just nonsense. Ok, I think I understand what you mean here. Basically it's wrong to say "i don't think it's alignment indicative" because robik's townread on rayn could come from robik being scum, and the smiley thing could just be a thing to uphold meta and to explain his read. -this line: "i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong." WTF DOES THIS MEAN? it's the same as the earlier quote. rayn is just talking nonsense here which is the easiest way to figure out his alignment. when I read rayn's game my first thought was "ok, rayn is being sarcastic for most if not all of this" so I ask him to clarify if he was actually reading robik as scum but he says all those statements are real? lol However, he has by now explained why he reads robik as town, what do you think of his explanation? | ||
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On March 26 2014 14:50 thrawn2112 wrote: rayn I know that you have a lower opinion of my ability to read people than you do of HF's opinion. plus, calling holyflare "retarded like he was in las game" does not even make sense because last game holyflare caught mafia instantly so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine. and like hf is saying, nothing you have said about robik has made any sense. so what is going on? You're vote was based on this, right? Why is "ability to read people" == "smart"? I can't follow this argument at all. This is way to absolute. Regarding Robik: Rayn writes this post: 2) My "town wins this belt" post was indeed a town claim. I was happy rolling town and i don't give a fuck who else is town because i just find two mafia and then town wins the belt. I am also amused that Robik has called my alignment correctly out three times based on my usage / usagelessness. I don't know how he does it and i don't think it's alignment indicative but i am really interested in seeing is so some sort of psychic or what because i have a townread on him in this game. I don't believe Robik yet, i mean, i don't believe that's a reliable tell but we'll see about that when / if he does that a couple of times more and if he is right or wrong.He never claims that this post is any reasoning on why he thinks that robik is town. However, you then ask him for a simple yes/no answer, explicitly not asking for reasons, and afterwards use that answer to claim that rayn is reading robik town because of the above post, although that is clearly not true. And no, rayn did not give his reasons for townreading robik when HF grilled him, he gave it when I asked him for it. Which you never did, instead you just made an assumption and voted rayn. ##vote: thrawn2112 | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:46 Holyflare wrote: well no not 100% of the time but thrawn doesn't say that to be the case But he never considers the possibility of it not being true. | ||
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On March 26 2014 18:49 Holyflare wrote: because he defends you for not explaining your reasons when I ask and has eventually town read you but then uses the same argument for thrawn who is then mafia after you already explained your reasons and my reasons why he might be mafia I didn't defend him for not explaining his reasons, I said he's unnecessarily antagonizing you => it's wrong what he was doing there. | ||
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so you're givnig holyflare a town read based on a statement about his play last game which isn't accurate, and a "i think thrawn is smarter than HF so thrawn must be scum" argument when I know you repect HF's reads more than you do mine." I interpreted it as "You would never hold my opinion higher than Holyflares". | ||
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On March 26 2014 19:00 Holyflare wrote: he has 2 points on thrawn 1) thrawn's point on rayn is "too absolute" which isn't the case if he read the meta that thrawn linked as reasoning because to anyone outside you or thrawn or me it looks solid 2) didn't ask for reasoning - which is semi legit but was already posted by you ages ago so his read is overlyjustified and based on something that he didn't read (point 1) and something that he sheeped if he read the thread (point 2), all he had to say was "i agree with rayn or hf" or w/e and it would be fine but he wrote a wall of text like that to say what already had been said Regarding 1, I still see it as a valid point. And what do you mean with "because to anyone outside you or thrawn or me it looks solid"? I don't get what you want so say with this. Regarding 2, you mean this post, right? I missed that, my fault. | ||
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On March 26 2014 19:20 Holyflare wrote: Number 1 is because thrawn EXPLAINS why he thinks like that with a quote from titanic and obs qt posts from another game which to anyone that isn't rayn or thrawn or me (you don't know what happened or anything) looks like a legitimate thing to say and if you had read it you would be unassuming and accept that as the blind truth. So why didn't you? This is stupid, I would never accept something like this as a blind truth. The world isn't black and white. And yes I did read the quotes, does not change the fact that people are normally not that stubborn to always do one thing no matter what happens. Rayn not evaluating thrawns opinion/read because it differs from yours would be stupid and scummy in most cases. Number 2 is rayn talking about thrawn not asking questions about his town read which he stated numerous times but you made extremely lengthy so in total your first reason for voting thrawn is something that shows that you have not read the game or your scum read and the second reason implies you are sheeping without reading the game or you are writing at length about points that were already said which is quite scummy Yeah, actually, I even implied the same point earlier myself, here. I don't really know why I thought i needed to explain that point again, it just seemed important when I went through thrawns filter. But I agree it was unnecessary | ||
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Are you serious about this vote? (you have not voted in the voting thread) | ||
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On March 26 2014 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: phagga do you remember an instance when Palmar has not been serious about his vote? Right from my memory, no. It's just such a stupid vote that I thought it was a joke (since he did not vote in the voting thread), and then HF and marv both comment on how weak that vote was, and I started second guessing my judgement of it. | ||
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Yeah, it was rayn, not you | ||
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Why do you think gumshoe is town? @Marv Why do you want to lynch Palmar? | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:10 marvellosity wrote: I believe I asked a question first. You may not answer a question with a question.  | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:36 marvellosity wrote: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/kx146zN.jpg) I can't read half of what you've written on there. | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:38 marvellosity wrote: I asked you if you wanted to kill Palmar though. It wasn't an optional question. do I understand it right that you want to kill Palmar because he has not commented on the rayn/HF thing and has generally not been very active in the last few hours despite being present? oh, and the "I withhold my HF read"? | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:41 marvellosity wrote: I haven't given any real reasons. I'm canvassing support for this lynch before I give reasons. Because marv. Reasons come later depending on whether I need to give them or not to get town to sheep me. I don't like his non-comment on HF/rayn, and the fact that on D1 Palmar would normally be working harder for a lynch (although is still rather early in the day, that might change). But I wouldn't lynch him over Thrawn currently. | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:42 Holyflare wrote: X axis is what plam wants from a scale of nothing to lots of things. Y axis is marv cares from 0 cares to wants to bum. The chart clearly indicates that palmar wants lots of things but marv has 0 cares so plam is a nickname for palmar and to bum means... ? (my dictionary says it means something like "to hang around" - "to bum around", is that the correct usage here?) | ||
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On March 26 2014 22:49 marvellosity wrote: Awkward... change "to bum" to "to have sex with" oops. ![[image loading]](http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m08xamKkCU1qiunvpo1_500.gif) | ||
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On March 27 2014 00:21 prplhz wrote: Oh wait, you're still here? How about you comment on something instead of posting sad smilies? | ||
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On March 27 2014 01:27 IAmRobik wrote: I don't feel so great about phagga (man this name is so inappropriate to say out loud) Remember that my mother tongue is (swiss) german, so the proper pronounciation is to read "phag" like "slug" and not like "fag". I don't feel all that great about you, but I'm not sure. You're definitely playing on a different level than foundations. You seem to care a bit more and if I were to meta it based off of 1 game together, I'd say that's scummy for you cause you posted a bunch of nonsensical bullshit on d1 in foundations and were very wishy washy on everything. I just want to be sure I understand this right: Palmar was wishy washy and D1 in Foundations, and you think that was more to his town meta then what he does here? | ||
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On March 27 2014 05:58 IAmRobik wrote: At this rate, no one deserves to win the belt. Y'all are just clusterfucking up the thread with shit that's confusing the piss out of me. Less meta. Less nonsense. More: My town list is this: My mafia list is this: if you want to include a short explanation or a link to posts you've made about it, that's fine. But you guys are legitimately sitting here and recycling the same 5 fucking phrases over and over again. It's really stupid and annoying and it needs to stop. If you don't understand the cases that have been presented so far, then you'll never fucking understand them, cause they've been explained to such great fucking length at this point that a fucking 6 year old without an understanding of 1/2 the words that you use would fucking figure out who thinks who is town and scum. up to page 35 rayn - Several points that I liked through the game: Behaviour around Palmar-gumshoe, His explanations regarding robik, his robik-read, his case on thrawn HF - town for HF/rayn-argument gumshoe - probably town for his exchange with Palmar IAmRobik - leaning town, I can follow his explanations about tone and the storyline holds up marv - I have no clue. He is being such a dick with witholding information that I feel unsure now prplhz - Null. Scummy points: no reads after readthrough, very passive, townie points: is prplhz Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour thrawn - scum | ||
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On March 27 2014 10:57 gumshoe wrote: I presented a meta argument in your favour to counter the meta one against you. When my reasoning was over turned I conceded for the moment, but I was by no means prepared to completely wright you off as scum and was still eager to hear you out. Do you think that makes me scummy? In regards to your question palmar, main thing was that phagga jumped on robik ( a player known to form early reads) for his early generic town read of rayn, yet later when queried by holy he provides his own bland town read of Rayn o-o. Which gives me the impression he was jumping on a weak player as opposed to finding scum. Annd that's a wrap for me, night town gl. Can you please elaborate on the bolded part? | ||
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On March 27 2014 17:21 Palmar wrote: What AM I doing? This is the most blanket statement read I have ever seen, there is literally not a single word of actual content in here. You have been bickering with Marv and never tried to put your thoughts into the thread. You were useless over several pages, and that's not how you play as town. Also I completely agree with marvs case on you. | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:17 thrawn2112 wrote: you aren';t factoring his "i haven't read my role PM claim"? if it's true then marv's case literally counts for nothing. if he hasn;t read his PM then the only way you can reasonably call palmar mafia is if you do it by PoE If his claim is true, should it not be in his interest to play like he was town? In case he's town, he did his job; in case he is mafia, he looks good. I mean, that would be the reason why you don't read your PM in the first place, I assume? | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:29 Holyflare wrote: wait wtf rayn isn't even voting for thrawn anymore!??!!?! He basically ragequit the day because of prplhz. | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:39 thrawn2112 wrote: do you think palmar read his PM? yes or no Do you think Palmar will not try to play like town if he does not read his Role PM? | ||
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On March 27 2014 18:45 thrawn2112 wrote: you're avoiding the main issue for you to take the position you're taking, you HAVE to be telling us that you think palmar is lying abotu reading his PM. there is no other possible way for you to think that he's mafia Oh.... I get it. Basically, if Palmar has not read is Role PM, he has no incentive to play like scum, is that what you are getting at? the problem is, with this argumentation every scum get's a "free out of jail"-card, because PoE can be close to impossible on D1. So if I have to decide, I tend not to believe that Palmar did not read his PM. Everything else brings us in a situation where he is basically unlynchable D1, and that's not a situation town wants to be in. | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:03 Palmar wrote: I was useless for "several pages" because I wasn't being talked to. But Robik wanted to talk to you! Ah yeah, wait, we already know the answer: On March 27 2014 17:07 Palmar wrote: Sorry about that Robik, I genuinely intended to talk to you but I did not play all that much yesterday, and I have a hard time focusing on other things when I think I know something's up. Well, if you had no time, how come that you posted 21 posts in the next 54 minutes in the thread after the below post? On March 27 2014 01:16 Palmar wrote: Do you wanna talk because marv is an asshole Robik? You were clearly reading the thread and found time to post, but still you chose not to interact with robik. | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:06 Palmar wrote: I never intended to really reveal that I hadn't read my role pm, I've done it without saying anything about it before. It's not a trap because I never intended to catch anyone. The reason I didn't post more than I did had nothing to do with whether or not I know my alignment. Can you explain us why you tell us that you have not read the role PM? | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:26 Palmar wrote: Because I already knew I hadn't said anything that was contradictory or could otherwise be interpreted as something scummy. Also marv is really, really hard to lynch as mafia, especially on day 1 But what do you expect us to do with this claim? Seriously, Palmar, if the roles are reversed and I come out with this claim after being pushed as lynch, wouldn't you insta-vote me? Why do you expect us to believe this claim? If we are to believe it, you are basically lynch-immune this day, and you know that that is stupid as fuck. ##vote: Palmar | ||
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On March 27 2014 19:38 Palmar wrote: I'm not lynch immune dude, if people want to lynch me they can. Thing is marv's case is based almost entirely on him knowing how I play as each alignment, and thus by definition it has to be wrong if I don't know my alignment. You're ignoring the other half of my post. Also, by not reading your PM you're basically on the knowledge-level of a townie. I therefore would expect you to play like town. If you play like scum, you're whole "I never read my PM" story is unbelievable, because its probably only a try to not get lynched. If you play like town, you never need to claim (or reveal, if true) that you did not read your PM, because you well not get lynched (except if town is retarted, which is clearly not the case here). Therefore, every time someone claims he has not read his PM when getting pressure needs to be lynched. Marvs case is completely irrelevant in this context. | ||
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On March 27 2014 20:00 Palmar wrote: also @phagga if you doubt the validity of my claim that I didn't read the role pm, go check my early posts. In a lot of them during the argument with gumshoe I talk about my alignment, but I never say anything that implies I know it. That does not matter, see my other post. | ||
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I also find his whole "but did you consider that Palmar did INDEED not read his PM" stuff scummy. | ||
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On March 28 2014 15:33 thrawn2112 wrote: I think rayn, marv, and robik are pretty obviously town. I think the way gumshoe has attacked palmar at the beginning (would have been a buss right from the start) and rayn just recently (if he's mafia he's picking a strange target to call mafia) indicates that he is town. Holyflare? eh. I still think some of the stuff he's done is scummy but my heart is telling me that he's probably town and I'm just a bit annoyed with him. I think his personality in this game is much the same as his dick-town personality from his last game, and I must give him some town points for pointing out palmar's slip, whihc is really the first thing that made me reasses my early town read on palmar. Then there's prplhz, and I'm not exactly sure how I'm supposed to go about reading him? I don't really think he's mafia though, just on the tone of his posts. I'm curious if marv has any tips on reading prplhz. So that leaves phagga, who I think is mafia. + Show Spoiler [quote 1] + On March 26 2014 16:32 phagga wrote: Haven't read everything past this post: You have twisted rayns words around. Rayn never says he reads robik town because of his smilies, as was explained before. Also: Let me say in different words what rayn said: "I don't believe the smilie thing is a reliable tell, but we'll see about that when / if he does that in a couple more games and if he's right or wrong". That's how I understood it at least. It's possible that you just misunderstood that second sentence, but rayn told you (at least once, perhaps even several times) that you are misreading it, and you just kept on pushing your points. So, I don't like your position currently. Will read the rest of the thread now. "I don't like your position currently." What does this have to do with finding mafia? Phagga has made it pretty clear that he thinks holyflare is on the "incorrect" side of this rayn/hf argument, but he concludes nothing about holyflare's alginment despite this. I am not even saying that phagga should be calling hf scum here, jsut that he should at least have an opinion on holyflare's alignment if he's going to go to all the trouble of combating holyflare's arguments. This post is part of a longer discussion, where I agree at the end that rayn antagonized HF nedlessly. His initial question is "what do you make of this set of events?". The point is that HF was clearling misrepresenting / misunderstanding the things rayn said, and I tried to figure out if this was intentional or not. When I wrote the above post, I thought it was intentional, hence the phrase you've emphasized. It's meant to mean "I don't like your position in this argument, while I think rayns position is fine". => I thought HF was scummy because he was ignoring rayns hints that HF was misreading the situation. I later realized that I was wrong about that. + Show Spoiler [ quote 2] + On March 26 2014 22:47 phagga wrote: I don't like his non-comment on HF/rayn, and the fact that on D1 Palmar would normally be working harder for a lynch (although is still rather early in the day, that might change). But I wouldn't lynch him over Thrawn currently. The bolded part is what makes phagga mafia. I think it is odd that he felt that he needed to include that last line. IF phagga is mafia then he knows palmar is mafia, and he knows that he needs to be careful when talking about palmar. So I think that his answer of "yes, I agree that palmar is scummy, but I don't want to lynch him" is a very tactful way of allowing himself to not disagree that his teammate isn't scum, yet still keep his vote on a townie. + Show Spoiler [quote 3] + On March 27 2014 17:13 phagga wrote: up to page 35 rayn - Several points that I liked through the game: Behaviour around Palmar-gumshoe, His explanations regarding robik, his robik-read, his case on thrawn HF - town for HF/rayn-argument gumshoe - probably town for his exchange with Palmar IAmRobik - leaning town, I can follow his explanations about tone and the storyline holds up marv - I have no clue. He is being such a dick with witholding information that I feel unsure now prplhz - Null. Scummy points: no reads after readthrough, very passive, townie points: is prplhz Palmar - might be scum. I don't know what he is doing or what he hopes to achieve, but it doesn't really remind me of town Palmar, and I cannot see a townie motivation behind is behaviour thrawn - scum Some of these reads aren't even reads. By that I mean that doesn't actually define the reads in a way that allows people to hold him accountable for them either. The reads on prplhz/palmar are what I'm talking about. The other reads are based off an ill-explained small pieces of information. I also think it is interesting that he had the most to say about palmar, yet his read was still inconclusive. I clarified what I meant regarding Palmar here. I have played with prplhz before, so I know he is sometimes hard to read. That's what I wanted to say in a joking way. So now we have to ask, did phagga bus palmar? His vote was the 5th vote on the palmar wagon, which is generally within the range when "I guess my partner is being lynched for sure" buss votes pile on. I don't know why phagga decided to change his vote. Once he initially voted for me during the early game he was pretty set on lynching me for most of the day, while being mostly wishy washy about palmar. So why did this change? Once it was clear that palmar was going to be lynched, phagga became all about that palmar lynch, and this is why I think phagga changed his mind about lynching thrawn before palmar, because he knew he needed to end up on the palmar wagon. Yeah well, perhaps you should read my filter, my vote is clearly explained here and here. | ||
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On March 28 2014 17:52 prplhz wrote: dunno really i think your "wait up people, if palmar didn't read his pm we shouldn't lynch him" was a little too crazy for you to be scum with him though at the same time i don't see what people likes about phagga so much, his interactions with palmar don't seem like something you couldn't pull off as scum. also in this post he's all "meh i dno" about palmar but then here he's all "marv's case is really good", if he think that marv has a really good case on palmar why is his read on palmar then so meh? you were also around for lynch while phagga wasn't and that's bonus points for you and deductions for phagga I wasn't "meh i dno", I said he could be scum for the way he behaves, specifically for not commenting on anything and instead bicker uselessly with Marv. How does my agreement with marvs case contradict that statement? And I'm assuming for now that the last sentence is a joke. | ||
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Yes, because I haven't had time to read up on you, so I'm still on the same stance as yesterday | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:18 prplhz wrote: i simply just think that "completely agree[ing]" with a giant marv case would lead to a stronger read than what your expressed in your list Agreeing with marvs case came after I made that list. I don't see the issue. last sentence isn't a joke You don't know my schedule, you don't know if it was possible for me to be there or not which makes it a joke. | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:33 thrawn2112 wrote: iirc phagga defended me at first? then all the sudden he flipped this switch and I became mafia for the rest of his filter so much so that he said that even though he was reading palmar as wishy washy maybe scum, he'd still rahter lynch thrawn then it became obvuous that palmar would be lynched and phagga decided he didn't care too much about his thrawn read Where did I defend you? And last time I checked there are 2 mafia in this game, how is it a problem when I have 2 scum reads. | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:43 thrawn2112 wrote: you replies to a bigass case i wrote against you and you didn';t think about your thrawn read during that? A bad case doesn't make anyone necessarily scum, although it certainly didn't make you look more townier to me. Although I agree that the fact that you said you wouldn't know why I voted palmar gave me the impression you did not read the thread which is a scummy thing. | ||
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On March 28 2014 19:47 prplhz wrote: marv's case was waaay before you made your list though I wrote here "up to page 35", marv's case is on page 37. | ||
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On March 28 2014 22:41 Holyflare wrote: Prob phagga he just came in to defend himself and left and i didn't like his thrawn accusation at start of day because I got overrun with work today. I just finished everything and will go home now. Might possibly be online again in like... 2 to 3 hours? Also, weekend is family time, my activity will generally be VERY low on weekends. I should be online tomorrow night because i have to work from home for a few hours. | ||
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On March 29 2014 03:23 Holyflare wrote: just to clarify, you're shooting me right? of course, you're the towniest motherfucker in town. | ||
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On March 30 2014 07:18 gumshoe wrote: Yeah, I'll vote phagga, [/quote[] And why do you think I'm scum? | ||
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Holyflare votes me because he is still alive, like WTF? thrawn made a case on me, I refute his points, he doesn't react to that. he posts another post where he claimed I defended him (which I never did) and then flipped the switch on him (which I couldn't since I never read him as town). gumshoe votes me although he has barely given any reason, and that little reason he had I questionened and never got an answer. And prplhz... well, he says my defense against his points are good but he still thinks I'm scum? What is this bullshit? | ||
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On March 30 2014 08:22 thrawn2112 wrote: who is scum? you are. On March 28 2014 19:33 thrawn2112 wrote: iirc phagga defended me at first? then all the sudden he flipped this switch and I became mafia for the rest of his filter so much so that he said that even though he was reading palmar as wishy washy maybe scum, he'd still rahter lynch thrawn then it became obvuous that palmar would be lynched and phagga decided he didn't care too much about his thrawn read This is all so obviously wrong, as I wrote already earlier. First the case, then this, it feels as if you are just throwing shit at me and see if something sticks. ##Vote: thrawn:2112 | ||
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prplhz is being prphlz (I know I said something similar before), I don't like his play this game since he is putting barely any content out in the thread. However, I know prplhz plays like this as town sometimes. I also assume that he would as scum not have done the vote shenanigans with Palmar and Marv (first voting Palmar, then almost immediatly switching to Marv without reasoning, even later only claiming that he was annoyed by him). gumshoe... I have filed his interaction with Palmar as conversation that makes him rather look like town. I think some of his other reasonings are pretty far fetched or he is focusing on points that are not that important. You know what, I'^m just gonna read his filter now. ##Unvote | ||
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On March 30 2014 08:45 thrawn2112 wrote: phagg's vote timing is exactly how palmar's vote happened Can you explain that? I don't understand it. | ||
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On March 30 2014 08:59 thrawn2112 wrote: as per marv's case, palmar's vote timing was awkward and forced because it only happened because someone pressured him into voting, same as yours. hmm, I see what you mean, but it just happened that I realized I hadn't voted yet when you asked that question. | ||
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On March 30 2014 08:46 gumshoe wrote: Honestly it's just a process of elimination lynch / : I'm not really considering holy or marv at all and my Rayn read is pretty out there( most likely wrong as well). Moving past the seemingly obvius townies (who are likely to get shot and should therefore not be lynch targets) I actually feel pretty good about prp(no tremendously good reasons as to why, I just kinda do going by his general play). That leaves you and thrawn, so long as one of you is lynched today, I really dont care / : and I'm too lazy to argue why town should choose chocolate over vannila, so thats pretty much where I'm at concerning todays lynch. So bascially you have no reason to vote me or not vote prp (or vote Thrawn), so you just stick your vote somewhere where it looks fancy? Also, I'm totally Pistachio. | ||
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On March 31 2014 02:55 Holyflare wrote: he's had plenty of those and if he cared he'd sacrifice his weekend to post more :o I cared, a lot, but my work or the weekend with my family is actually more important than a game of mafia. My schedule got messed up since Friday, which is why I haven't had time to play the game properly. Oh well, good luck in finding the last scum. I'm too tired to do anything, and I doubt that by now I can convince anyone, so I'm going to bed. ##Vote: thrawn2112 | ||
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On March 31 2014 08:42 thrawn2112 wrote: i did not believe hf's claim I don't think anyone believed that claim. | ||
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