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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On April 04 2014 02:34 Xatalos wrote: Vote Count Vivax (3) - Tehpoofter, kushm4sta, Toadesstern (3) - Djodref, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der Hopeless1der (2) - Toadesstern, Amiko, Djodref (1) - Alakaslam kitaman27 (1) - JarJarDrinks Not Voting (2) - austinmcc, kitaman27 Currently Vivax is set to be lynched! The lynch will happen in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). Slam is listed twice and vivax isn't there. Error or more vote shenanigans? | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
Vivax (3) - Tehpoofter, kushm4sta, Toadesstern (3) - Djodref, thrawn2112, Hopeless1der Hopeless1der (2) - Toadesstern, Amiko, kitaman27 (2) - JarJarDrinks, Vivax Djodref (0) - Not Voting (2) - austinmcc, kitaman27 Currently Vivax is set to be lynched! The lynch will happen in at 21:00 GMT (+00:00). | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
@hope I was talking about kita's case on vivax, You voted vivax but I want comments- do you agree with everything kita said? comments on other people's comments on kita's case? etc Also @all hope's comment here feels really bad to me. The first half of my post (which he omitted, so he must have read) is talking about kita's case on Vivax, it should be obvious that's the case I am referring to | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 04 2014 02:52 Amiko wrote: still workposting so short @hope I was talking about kita's case on vivax, You voted vivax but I want comments- do you agree with everything kita said? comments on other people's comments on kita's case? etc Also @all hope's comment here feels really bad to me. The first half of my post (which he omitted, so he must have read) is talking about kita's case on Vivax, it should be obvious that's the case I am referring to It clearly was NOT obvious to me when you end the post by voting me for what I assumed to be related to kita's (at the time non-existent) case on me. I'll comment on kita's case momentarily. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On April 03 2014 21:13 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why couldn't you just answer me when I asked? Why did you wait untill this post to say that you didn't have a fake-claim? You could have been like "No, but we all have access to fakeclaims." Refusing to answer untill afetr I point out that blues weren't given fakeclaims sounds like you didn't know untill I said it. Any response hopeless? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Vivax during the day spent a lot of time discussing me/Toad to no avail and otherwise tossed around a bunch of questions that again didnt seem to lead anywhere. Also on the vote-steal notion, it doesnt make sense to me because Toad knew immediately something was up with his vote. It adds to the stack of things I think are relatively useless/not constructive from Vivax. My opinion on Vivax being largely not useful stem mostly from my conversations with him where I thought I was being mostly reasonable and direct with my responses and he got nothing out of those discussions and kept tunnelling. Why not do that D1? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Sorry forgot about this. I was hoping someone would call me out for the reasons you stated because they'd likely be town, knowing blues didnt get fakeclaims to start with. I havent reviewed the thread at that point yet to see if anyone might have been thinking that. | ||
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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On April 04 2014 03:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Sorry forgot about this. I was hoping someone would call me out for the reasons you stated because they'd likely be town, knowing blues didnt get fakeclaims to start with. I havent reviewed the thread at that point yet to see if anyone might have been thinking that. Are you taking out pages from kitas town trap retconning book now? Why didn't you mention this untill now? yesterday your reasoning was this: On April 04 2014 03:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Why wouldn't you tell us @ this point that you were trying to see if people would call you out about it?I dont hint that I have one, I hint that I knew THIS is exactly where you were going with this line of questioning. It is completely transparent, but trying to claim I dont have a fakeclaim after saying "everyone has fakeclaims" looks stupid, so I had to run "no comment". I should have said "everyone has access to fakeclaims", but I typed that in the moment to point out why rayn's claim is in no way a reliable piece of information. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Don't lynch Vivax. The way in which he questions Hopeless and the things that he's looking at read townie. He's attacking inconsistencies that he seems to really see/are really there. He also has what I think is a townie reaction to Gumshoe's claim. Since we've been kinda bad townies, Gumshoe's claim is like...the biggest event of D1. Vivax is immediately questioning what's going on, and doing so in the RIGHT way. Amiko also makes some comments that seem to be questioning the claim/kush shot in THE RIGHT way. Anyone who wants to lynch Vivax needs, at the very least, to chat with me about his reaction to the gumshoe claim. Just read those posts, specifically, see like pg. 71-73ish, and explain to me Vivax's posts from town perspective and mafia perspective. Unsure on vote. I'm making a neat little chart of Kita / Vivax / Hopeless / Toad, and what they say about each other. IF one of them is mafia, he needs to be making arguments about someone else on that list, or doing nothing, and so I'm interested in seeing who looks townie or scummy for how they're talking about these other bros. This may be a good idea, it may be stupid and misleading, but these are the folks we're kinda focused on, and there's been a lot of interaction, and I think we can mine it pretty heavily for Good Stuff. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 02 2014 23:27 Hopeless1der wrote: 3P lynch is bad, but leaving slam alive is worse. I wanted slam vigged, and now we have a nuke for him. If JJD doesn't fire his nuke at slam without having an ironclad case and/or hitting scum he's being tunneled until one of us dies. I didn't like the position he took here. He admits a 3P lynch is bad, but similar to my issue on Vivax rather than trying to enforce a double lynch on two scum players, he is content with the slam shot. Like why not suggest that toad should be shot if he is his number one scum read? He sounds like he is pretty sure slam is third party, so I don't see why he isn't trying to maximize our chances of hitting scum considering none have flipped yet. On April 03 2014 05:18 Hopeless1der wrote: I cant fathom wtf gumshoe was thinking. Whatever, kush confirmed town imo, amiko is pretty goddamn likely town. i'd like to lynch JJD or Toad. On April 03 2014 08:14 Hopeless1der wrote: I wasnt making a case, I was talking more about things I found interesting about Toad. Do you think I dont realize I didn't reach a conclusion? All of my points are pretty open-ended statements, more of a summary of things Toad has done that I maybe find scummy but didn't explicitly say that. At 5:18 he shares that he wants to lynch toad and posts one reason. At 5:37 he makes his post on toad. When asked about it, hope mentions that he never came to a conclusion and was just posting open ended questions. On April 04 2014 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote: My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance. Since that point, there is no real mention of toad, until this recent post here after voting Vivax. He never expresses what changed from the time he made his origional post on toad to this point that made him go from no conclusion to number one read. I also find it scummy that it took me having to ask him why he wasn't voting toad for him to vote toad. If toad is his number one read, why is he unaware of the other cases against toad and that toad is leading the votes? It seems like he is detached from the thread. On April 04 2014 03:22 Hopeless1der wrote: Sorry forgot about this. I was hoping someone would call me out for the reasons you stated because they'd likely be town, knowing blues didnt get fakeclaims to start with. I havent reviewed the thread at that point yet to see if anyone might have been thinking that. I actually agree with JarJar here. This doesn't seem like a town hunting plan to me. The reasons I'm leaning towards Vivax over hopeless at the moment: He eventually shifts his opinion from the end of day one to the beginning of day two after showing signs of reading. Mafia generally stick to their reads as long as they can get away with it. On April 03 2014 08:41 Hopeless1der wrote: so, whats the word jjd? you gonna nuke me? I really like the way that he taunted JarJar knowing that he could could end up dead for it. As mafia, this would be really gutsy to try and get into an argument with the player that holds a day vig shot. When looking through his past games, I found him refer to a lynch he opposed as a circlejerk, which he did the same this game. I know this doesn't mean much, but it's worth noting. More on Vivax in a bit. I want thoughts from others on the both of them. It should be Vivax vs Hope, not Vivax vs Hope vs Toad. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future. Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday. I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please ! | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:12 Djodref wrote: What bits of the reaction look very townie to you?I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie. I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future. Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday. I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please ! HAHA THIS IS THE AGREEING WITH AUSTIN TEST. DO YOU PASS? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
If I read his hopeless reaction from the perspective that hopeless is scum, then I agree it looks really good. However, from a Vivax is scum and hopeless is town perspective, I don't find anything that says it is impossible. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:17 austinmcc wrote: What bits of the reaction look very townie to you? HAHA THIS IS THE AGREEING WITH AUSTIN TEST. DO YOU PASS? This one is my favorite. It's just after Vivax realized the claim was fake. It's very spontaneous and I don't imagine scum write something like this at a moment like that. As scum, I think it was a WTF moment, not a LOL moment. On April 03 2014 04:33 Vivax wrote: Lol gumshoe you're so fucked Also, as I said in my post, Vivax was trying to offer kush a way-out. On April 03 2014 05:03 Vivax wrote: Fuck's sake. Kush, is it a 1-shot-ability? On April 03 2014 05:06 Vivax wrote: Kush u genius say it's one-shot -.- Vivax cares, Vivax is likely to be town. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:24 Djodref wrote: This one is my favorite. It's just after Vivax realized the claim was fake. It's very spontaneous and I don't imagine scum write something like this at a moment like that. As scum, I think it was a WTF moment, not a LOL moment. Also, as I said in my post, Vivax was trying to offer kush a way-out. Vivax cares, Vivax is likely to be town. Alternatively Vivax wants to know if he should convert Kush? | ||
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