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kitaman27
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On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him?
On April 04 2014 02:24 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him? Is there any particular reason you join his lynch without saying a word about the reasons just like you did D1 when you fucking genius killed rayn on a whim after encouraging him and kita to go 1 on 1 and then not applying it the next day, effectively shrubbing off as much responsibility for the lynch as possible and not having to deliver any arguments?" lol I asked exactly that. Are you reading or just getting angry? Yeah you just did I was still writing. Congratz on your first question to your scumread. WEEEEEEE
This post really seems like he's made his mind up ahead of time. He literally posts the kind of behavior that he would expect from me as town, gets ninja'd by me completely replicating the behavior he is saying he would expect, and then votes me anyways moments later.
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On April 04 2014 04:25 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him? Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:24 Vivax wrote:On April 04 2014 02:23 kitaman27 wrote:On April 04 2014 02:21 Vivax wrote:
Something like: "Hey hopeless care to justify that vote on Vivax from yours cause you previously said you were biased about him? Is there any particular reason you join his lynch without saying a word about the reasons just like you did D1 when you fucking genius killed rayn on a whim after encouraging him and kita to go 1 on 1 and then not applying it the next day, effectively shrubbing off as much responsibility for the lynch as possible and not having to deliver any arguments?" lol I asked exactly that. Are you reading or just getting angry? Yeah you just did I was still writing. Congratz on your first question to your scumread. WEEEEEEE This post really seems like he's made his mind up ahead of time. He literally posts the kind of behavior that he would expect from me as town, gets ninja'd by me completely replicating the behavior he is saying he would expect, and then votes me anyways moments later.
This is the same vein that I am talking about when I comment on my own conversations with Vivax. He already knows the answer and is looking for pieces to fit into his solution.
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On April 04 2014 04:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Vivax's reaction to gumshoe seems to be how any player would act. Townie randomly claims and then gets caught in a fake claim. I guess I don't put as much value into his reaction as you guys seem to do.
If I read his hopeless reaction from the perspective that hopeless is scum, then I agree it looks really good. However, from a Vivax is scum and hopeless is town perspective, I don't find anything that says it is impossible. Well yeah, not impossibility.
But scum vivax pushing town or scum hopeless, what he's doing is just hammering at little inconsistencies to try and paint someone scummier than they are? It can definitely be read both ways, but vivax probably posting for a reason and pursuing someone for a reason, you think he's decided hopeless can be painted scummy with the inconsistencies?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:27 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:21 kitaman27 wrote:
Vivax's reaction to gumshoe seems to be how any player would act. Townie randomly claims and then gets caught in a fake claim. I guess I don't put as much value into his reaction as you guys seem to do.
If I read his hopeless reaction from the perspective that hopeless is scum, then I agree it looks really good. However, from a Vivax is scum and hopeless is town perspective, I don't find anything that says it is impossible. Well yeah, not impossibility. But scum vivax pushing town or scum hopeless, what he's doing is just hammering at little inconsistencies to try and paint someone scummier than they are? It can definitely be read both ways, but vivax probably posting for a reason and pursuing someone for a reason, you think he's decided hopeless can be painted scummy with the inconsistencies?
lol hopeless IS SCUMMY for inconsistencies. No painting required.
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Well in the world where vivax is mafia and hopeless is town, hope can be scummy but not scum?
But yeah, I know what you're saying. My words aren't precise there.
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JJD it's probably just me being blind again but where do you see hopeless pushing you as scum (after the fakeclaim-have discussion), can't find it?
Also I would like to know when hopeless found out that everybody has fakeclaims, and if you actually knew that too when you confronted hopeless. Need to know this stuff cause I was preparing a post on something hopeless said but I need this info to be sure I make a valid argument and if somebody could provide it out of his memory it would be appreciated.
I'm currently pretty tired and kinda slow at reading but depending on how the facts turn out to be this could look pretty bad for hopeless.
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Anyway I'll post the huge post anyway cause I don't wanna wait for those clarifications but I think that depending on the version of events hopeless has some explaining to do here.
Hey kita, apologies for missing your quesitons there but I got a little heated and missed em. Anyway to have a nice showcase of some of the stuff you produced on hopeless along with others I'll have this post list even though I want to focus on two mainly.
Read the bolded part, scroll down to last quote.
On April 03 2014 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Why are you pissing about with setup speculation JJD? Do you have a point here? Am I scum because I obviously have a fakeclaim that I wont reveal and you dont therefore you must be town? Stop beating around the bush.
Vivax, why is it okay for you to keep flipping the question when I ask you about Toad? Not EVERYTHING I do needs to push my agenda. I dont like cramming a case/reads down peoples throats. I think Toad is scummy. People think I am scummy. It doesnt matter that people are less retarded than we'd like to believe, logical fallacies will occur. If I phrase a statement without implying a conclusion it forces the reader to try to determine what my point is and also whether that point is more relevant to a scum or town mindset.
On April 03 2014 10:20 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2014 10:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Last thing for tonight....what's Vivax's alignment hopeless? I'm biased...I havent been reading him critically because he's been a pain in my ass in recent memory. If you want me to OMGUS him, I can do that but I dont think it'd be productive.
On April 04 2014 01:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
##Vote: Vivax
On April 04 2014 01:58 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 01:55 kitaman27 wrote:
Hope, what led you to this vote compared to when I asked last night? Opportunistic posturing. I'm not trying to avoid responsibility for my vote but I am not all that confident that I am able to read Vivax, I'm mostly sheeping thread sentiment. People seem less inclined to vote Toad which means its between me/Vivax. My choice would be to lynch Toad if I get the chance.
On April 04 2014 02:24 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 02:19 kitaman27 wrote:On April 04 2014 02:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Kita I give u powah <3 On April 04 2014 02:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Hey Kita...have you made a case on me recently that I havent seen? Nope, working on one though. On April 04 2014 02:08 Hopeless1der wrote:
so that I can be bossed around and not look like I'm trying to push a scummy agenda by tunneling Toad to everyone else. What about Vivax is scummy to you? Or are you simply voting him over Toad for self-survival? Mostly survival. I didn't like the way Vivax was assaulting me with questions and seeming completely oblivious to how my explanations could come from town. It didnt feel like he was trying to reconsider, he was trying to bury me or catch me slip up. However, I'm concerned about Amiko now despite gumshoes save. Whatever, I'd still prefer to lynch Toad. here: ##Unvote: Vivax
##Vote: Toadesstern
Look at the bolded part in the first quote.
Now look at this post:
On April 04 2014 03:22 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 03:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:On April 03 2014 21:13 JarJarDrinks wrote:On April 03 2014 09:57 Hopeless1der wrote:On April 03 2014 09:50 JarJarDrinks wrote:Here's what I'm getting @ w/ my line of questioning w/ hope. The way he words it sounds like he's saying everyone already received fakeclaims. On April 03 2014 00:58 Hopeless1der wrote:
i.e. no, claiming doesnt prove anything, everyone has fakeclaims, everyone is probably blue. Well I'm blue and I only received my role. I was not given any fakeclaim. Here he again seems to hint that he already has a fakeclaim: On April 03 2014 08:52 Hopeless1der wrote:
Why are you pissing about with setup speculation JJD? Do you have a point here? Am I scum because I obviously have a fakeclaim that I wont reveal and you dont therefore you must be town? Stop beating around the bush. I think he read this from the OP and assumed everyone was given fakeclaims to start the game. On March 09 2014 14:50 Crossfire99 wrote:
Claiming:
Claiming your role is allowed, but you cannot claim when you got your role pm, who sent it to you, etc. Fake roleclaims are provided before the game and on request to all players no matter your alignment. I dont hint that I have one, I hint that I knew THIS is exactly where you were going with this line of questioning. It is completely transparent, but trying to claim I dont have a fakeclaim after saying "everyone has fakeclaims" looks stupid, so I had to run "no comment". I should have said "everyone has access to fakeclaims", but I typed that in the moment to point out why rayn's claim is in no way a reliable piece of information. Why couldn't you just answer me when I asked? Why did you wait untill this post to say that you didn't have a fake-claim? You could have been like "No, but we all have access to fakeclaims." Refusing to answer untill afetr I point out that blues weren't given fakeclaims sounds like you didn't know untill I said it. Any response hopeless? Sorry forgot about this. I was hoping someone would call me out for the reasons you stated because they'd likely be town, knowing blues didnt get fakeclaims to start with. I havent reviewed the thread at that point yet to see if anyone might have been thinking that.
Hopeless asks him earlier if he was town knowing that blues don't have fakeclaims. But if you look at the tone of the post it isn't at all like hopeless "towntrap" just sprung (if anything it was a bluetrap), he's asking JJD why the hell he's on him.
Later he says he was WAITING for someone to do that. JJD didn't outright say that he didn't have a fakeclaim at that point, but it's evident from hopeless first post that he was expecting it to be the case.
OP says everyone can get a fakeclaim on request. Hopeless doesn't initially want to say if he has one or not, JJD fries him over it, Hopeless asks him wtf his problem is (is it cause you have no fakeclaim and I have?).
Hopeless later says he was hoping for someone to call him out for that cause he would townread him. JJD did call him out for it. Did hopeless say "wow bro u so town(also thanks for claiming blue to the thread)" to him? Nope.
So i'd like to hear some about this 1.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2014 04:25 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:24 Djodref wrote:On April 04 2014 04:17 austinmcc wrote:On April 04 2014 04:12 Djodref wrote:
I agree with austin, we shouldn't lynch vivax. His reaction to gumshoe claim looked indeed very townie.
I'd like to add that he kind of offered kush a way out by enticing to claim that his power was 1-shot. He cares about kush being converted or not in the future.
Also I'm not convinced by kita case, the same way I was not convinced by his case on rayn yesterday.
I believe Vivax is town, don't lynch a townie please ! What bits of the reaction look very townie to you? HAHA THIS IS THE AGREEING WITH AUSTIN TEST. DO YOU PASS? This one is my favorite. It's just after Vivax realized the claim was fake. It's very spontaneous and I don't imagine scum write something like this at a moment like that. As scum, I think it was a WTF moment, not a LOL moment. On April 03 2014 04:33 Vivax wrote:
Lol gumshoe you're so fucked Also, as I said in my post, Vivax was trying to offer kush a way-out. On April 03 2014 05:03 Vivax wrote:
Fuck's sake. Kush, is it a 1-shot-ability? On April 03 2014 05:06 Vivax wrote:
Kush u genius say it's one-shot -.- Vivax cares, Vivax is likely to be town.
Alternatively Vivax wants to know if he should convert Kush?
@Hopeless
I don't think mafia would be that obvious. I liked Vivax explanations on this here.
On April 03 2014 05:48 Vivax wrote:What's this going to be? If scum assumes you aren't just 1-shot they convert you and have a vig. Had you thought a little more you would have said you were one-shot. But maybe you want to be converted, fuck knows. I for one know that past this day you will have to use your powers much more in accordance with town as to get away that possibility, ie vigs out of the blue or stuff like that are a reason to lynch you.
Vivax cares if one power roles is going to get converted or not. I feel he really wanted kush to claim 1-shot. And now he resents kush for not doing it, and being a potential conversion for the mafia.
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Because I got sick of it and no one was doing anything so I figured put an end to it.
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I really appreciate your defense guys but the best way to defend me is to nail a scum now and get a majority on him. I currently feel like I should hold back a little on kita since I missed those questions, but still I have the bad feeling he's only looking at stuff from me that could be construed as scummy (as opposed to Djo and austin for example who look for towntells too).
Anyway, what did we discuss so far. Me, Toad, Kita, hopeless?
Some other players I kinda see as possible scum candidates are thrawn and maybe poofter so it might not be a bad idea to have a look at them and exchange some thoughts. They both seem to not be here sadly. But let's leave no stone unturned before the day ends 
I don't like how kush treats me this game but he claimed blue and shot gumshoe so he'd be a bad lynch for today I figure. Given conversion mechanics we gotta pay attention to people who claimed a role though (for the future). (No kush I'm not subtly calling you scummy -.-)
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I'm about to head to work but wanted to post from my iPad that I agree with Austin's point and toad shouldn't get a bullet but a check or other things.
I also am concerned if a Kita hopeless team. Kita has two days now put cases on someone I started to pressure at the start of the day towards the end and vivax giving me the same feeling as rayn yesterday. Off to work I might be switching to Kita/hopeless.
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i'm here, agree with not lynching vivax
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:32 Vivax wrote:
Hopeless later says he was hoping for someone to call him out for that cause he would townread him. JJD did call him out for it. Did hopeless say "wow bro u so town(also thanks for claiming blue to the thread)" to him? Nope.
So i'd like to hear some about this 1.
When I was talking about wanting a claim from slam, even for the sake of finding out what a fake claim could possibly sound like, austin pointed out that anyone could request one if they wanted it. With this knowledge in the thread, it really doesn't make sense that hope would decide to use the fakeclaim knowledge as a way to identify town like he is suggesting.
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i work nights and sleep during the day so this deadline is like 3am for me
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@ Hopeless
Why did you start to vote Vivax with opportunistic posturing ?
You didn't believe in Toad lynch ?
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hey kita. can you give me your bestest best reason for thinking vivax is mafia?
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On April 04 2014 04:42 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2014 04:32 Vivax wrote:
Hopeless later says he was hoping for someone to call him out for that cause he would townread him. JJD did call him out for it. Did hopeless say "wow bro u so town(also thanks for claiming blue to the thread)" to him? Nope.
So i'd like to hear some about this 1. When I was talking about wanting a claim from slam, even for the sake of finding out what a fake claim could possibly sound like, austin pointed out that anyone could request one if they wanted it. With this knowledge in the thread, it really doesn't make sense that hope would decide to use the fakeclaim knowledge as a way to identify town like he is suggesting.
Sure it is, blues didnt start with claims. Not that I know whether scum did =\
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On April 04 2014 04:43 Djodref wrote:
@ Hopeless
Why did you start to vote Vivax with opportunistic posturing ?
You didn't believe in Toad lynch ?
I didnt think Toad would get lynched. At this point I'm probaly gonna get lynched.
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On April 04 2014 04:29 Vivax wrote:
Also I would like to know when hopeless found out that everybody has fakeclaims, and if you actually knew that too when you confronted hopeless. Um what?
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On April 04 2014 04:43 thrawn2112 wrote:
hey kita. can you give me your bestest best reason for thinking vivax is mafia?
At the beginning of day one, he argued that we should lynch mafia instead of slam and called a player scummy who settled for the easy slam lynch. Rather than pushing a mafia lynch at any point in the day, he chose to lynch slam mainly because it was better than the alternative.
Then at the beginning of day two, he pushes for a slam nuke. If the only reason he wanted to lynch slam on day one was because he doesn't have any scum reads, why is he pushing a slam nuke, rather than using the 36 hours to find a scum read? He is reproducing the exact behavior he found scummy.
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