On March 31 2014 23:12 kitaman27 wrote:On raynpelikoneetSo here is what I was doing at the start of this game. I was actually trying to accomplish something with my play. I was reproducing my behavior to a tee from the recent shadow mini mafia game.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2014 09:31 kitaman27 wrote:
##Vote Sandroba
On January 21 2014 11:28 kitaman27 wrote:
I'm not voting him as a joke. I think he is a great vote. We should lynch him today.
On January 21 2014 10:46 kitaman27 wrote:
Wanna vote sandroba with me? He may or may not be scummy.
On January 21 2014 10:34 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you think I'm trying to paint sandroba in a bad light using my "scummy thought process" like you mentioned or do you think that it was a random vote with little thought?
I random voted moments into the game, I refused to provide an explanation when asked, I requested that someone vote with me without details, I asked a similar question when prompted, and I moved off the random vote shortly after.
The goal here was to prompt someone to question my behavior and see if they attempt to make the connection or if they simply pass off my play as scummy. rayn mentioned that he observed shadow and toad and austin played in it, so even if they don't remember the random vote, it would likely be the first place to look as it was my most recent town game. It's important to note that I'm not trying to say that me emulating my shadow mafia play makes me town. I'm saying that the connection is there for anyone interested in finding it.
Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picture 2: Here is how kitaman does it. He makes an unclear argument and when people question him about it he does not answer but instead makes another unclear argument about the question. Repeat until noone can remember what was the original point and what the fuck we are even arguing about. Then he might posts some conclusions, a day or so later
I've seen a couple of mafia players do this and it works really well because most of the players tire out and just stop arguing because it's so annoying and in the end you can't make anything out of it anyways because it takes about 5 hours to get an answer to a simple question. I was pretty happy that rayn had suggested that was was going to do some research and pushed him in the right direction several times as you can see below.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote:
As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion.
On March 30 2014 16:23 kitaman27 wrote:
Well I'm going to bed now. When I wake up, can you provide a follow up to the "web of disruption" post?
On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn, have you finished your research yet?
On multiple occasions, rayn confirms that he will do the work to back up his initial suspicions.
+ Show Spoiler +On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now i gotta figure out if kita does this only as mafia or does he do this as town too (or maybe only as town?)
On March 30 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes. I'll watch the Formula 1 race that starts in ~30min and i'll do my research after that.
Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
not gonna do it. 90% i will find nothing useful and i don't care about this game enough to test if the 10% gives me something.
Yet when push comes to shove, he decides not to put the effort in. He spends the time into coming up with his thesis that I'm creating a "web of disruption", yet has no interest in backing it up. If he is going to call me scummy, when does he have no interest in catching me?
Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 17:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yeah i don't really carew about this game because i don't fee llike agruing with stupidity.
I might post something at some point, probably to tell who is scum, but don't expect me to explain anything.
I don't really feel like this game is gonna be fun so idontjustcare.
Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 01:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The point was at that time i cared. After Toad's post i didn't.
Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 16:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so kita and tehpoofer are most likely scum. maybe gumshoe.
Now there are three possible explanations:
1) He dropped the ball as town, attacking me without putting in the effort
2) He did the research as mafia, didn't like what he found, and dropped the case to avoid calling me town
3) He is a lazy scum player who didn't want to go after me at a point where several players are calling me town
If rayn thought that I was looking decently townie otherwise, then maybe I'd consider number one. The biggest issue that I have right now is that as far as I can tell, I am rayn's number one scum suspect. He is pushing slam for being anti-town and shows that he may have reconsidered his read on tehpoofer, yet not a word about myself.
Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Picture 1: Here is how townies do the "make other people think and see if you can catch lazy people because they are more likely to be mafia and draw retarded conclusions" thingy (at least how i do it).
Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 15:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In case it's unclear. It's like normally people give you a puzzle to solve and slowly give you pieces to the puzzle along the way. Then they assume townies complete the puzzle and mafia tries to force the pieces in wrong order.
rayn describes his play best. I don't think you can argue that he isn't being lazy here. rayn was given the pieces of the puzzle to solve and he chose not to because he "doesn't care".
Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 15:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Not because i necessarily trust your read but because i trust Foolishness' read. *sigh*
Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 15:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So if you are town we have a scumread on Hopeless from confirmed town good player Foolishness.
Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 16:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I trust Foolishness the most atm.
##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der
This line of thought is pretty terrible. He explains his willingness to vote for hopelessness over a minor observation about hope a few hours into the game. Not only does he not consider that foolishness could be wrong, he is using the justification for the vote because he respects foolishness as a player, not because he thinks its a valid argument. He even goes as far as dropping his suspicion of myself due to my interaction with hope.
rayn states that he has done the most scum hunting in the game hands down, he suggests that I am his number one scum read, and he hasn't showed any attempt to figure out my alignment. As he mentioned earlier, he is trying to force the pieces in the wrong order.
The one thing holding me up is
1) His mass claim policy is consistent with his previous behavior as town
2) Slam is one of the most anti-town players in recent memory
Right now I'd probably be leaning towards a rayn lynch and hopefully having a vig take care of slam so he is removed as a discussion topic. I would like to look at a few more individuals before I finalize my vote.