EPT1) they can also be mafia fakeclaiming
2) they NEVER work for the town, they are basically +1 mafia even if they look like they are "helping"
Anyone who does not understand this is just plain out dumb or mafia. Period. Case closed.
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raynpelikoneet
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1) they can also be mafia fakeclaiming 2) they NEVER work for the town, they are basically +1 mafia even if they look like they are "helping" Anyone who does not understand this is just plain out dumb or mafia. Period. Case closed. | ||
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Alakaslam
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Alakaslam
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Bravo | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Amiko
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Initial Comments on raynpelikoneet & alakaslam: It seems to me that most d1 games get going by focusing on some interaction and then working off the reads for that interaction. I posted the comment & question because it seemed like the raynpelikoneet/Alakaslam interaction was a potential focus, but I didn’t understand it enough. To be more specific, I couldn’t tell whether it was early game silliness or actually based on some meta you two have. Asking Kita & Hopeless: I think your question is good (why not ask the people involved to explain) but it wasn’t a good option at that time. I didn’t ask you because you had already gone to sleep. I didn’t ask Alakaslam because I felt I may not understand his response. I picked kitaman27/hopeless because (1) they were in the thread and (2) hopeless’ interactions with you two stuck out a little. I don’t think I considered asking gumshoe since we were being silly at the time. @rayn You say you were in the thread here: On March 30 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you see any reason why town!Amiko asks you or Hopeless to clarify my thought process instead of asking me (i was btw in thread aswell)? However, you also said you had left the thread here: On March 30 2014 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: gn guys! Besides the inconsistency, if you were in the thread why didn’t you comment on the situation at the time? Catching up, will make another post or two in a few minutes | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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But yeah, what you said makes sense. | ||
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Amiko
United States1725 Posts
Massclaim On March 30 2014 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Who's in for massclaiming? Answer yes or no in your next post. My answer is yes. My answer is no - I don't see many (any?) advantages for this in a closed setup. If it was a serious suggestion then I'm wiling to talk about it, though, and it looks like we are both on. [u]Other Questions @anyone what is LHF? @kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)? [/i] | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On March 31 2014 01:03 Amiko wrote: @kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)? That was in response to a question about the rayn vote, not thrawn. Saying a random vote is random doesn't accomplish much, unless you're ready to move on. Slam, could you post your role name, abilities, and win condition? If you don't do so, then you're working against town. rayn, have you finished your research yet? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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I have no idea what LHF is, where is it referred? Is there a reason you are not voting for the dude who is not town? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote: rayn, have you finished your research yet? not gonna do it. 90% i will find nothing useful and i don't care about this game enough to test if the 10% gives me something. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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kitaman27
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On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is how townies do the "make other people think and see if you can catch lazy people because they are more likely to be mafia and draw retarded conclusions" So lets get this straight, you decided to spend your time drawing a couple fancy pictures, suggesting that I'm creating a "web of disruption", write a huge post without a conclusion, promise to come to follow up three times and fail to do so, and now use the "I don't care excuse"? Like what's the point of that post to begin with? | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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On March 31 2014 01:15 kitaman27 wrote: So lets get this straight, you decided to spend your time drawing a couple fancy pictures, suggesting that I'm creating a "web of disruption", write a huge post without a conclusion, promise to come to follow up three times and fail to do so, and now use the "I don't care excuse"? Like what's the point of that post to begin with? The point was at that time i cared. After Toad's post i didn't. simple. | ||
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Amiko
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“LHF” It was from a slam post here- On March 30 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote: Toad same question. Don't go slandering saying I still don't help town. I'm not gonna be an NK in that yeah I generally suxxor but apparently there is a meta I can't fight so ppl will know im town in time. On the other hand you guys blatantly LHF the first guy Rayn prods- note he didn't vote me himself! Re: voting - I’m considering voting slam - I was rereading him (and saw LHF). I don’t want to vote Slam right now, though: there’s over a day left, slam is already getting pressured, and I’d rather lynch scum than 3rd party survivor. Massclaim On March 31 2014 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess this game is highly roled knowing it's Crossfire game and a closed setup with some sort of yak mechanic(s). In games where there are high number of roles massclaiming always benefits town. Always. I agree with the first sentence. I don’t know all the Dr. Who lore but even light wiki + the game description suggests cybermen/scum can probably convert targets to become cybermen/scum. I don’t see how massclaiming helps us, though. In an open setup, it immediately gives you pools of people to vote for – if two people claim cop, then you know one is lying. If more people claim VT than can be VT, you have a nice pool of people to lynch from and may confirm some of your power roles. In a closed setup, though, I am not sure how that is effective. - People can fabricate all sorts of weird roles that may be real given the expansive dr. who universe; - We are likely to lose power roles to at least two non-town parties (dalek/cybermen), maybe more; - If a lot of people just claim VT, we don’t have a heuristic to determine how many VTs there can be - Even if someone feels confirmed due to being the only one to claim a likely role (ex: Dr. Who/Amy/Rory/River who appear in xatalos’ post) the person doesn’t stay trustworthy because there are conversions. So, I feel like we don’t gain anything from a massclaim. If I am wrong explain why. If there is a heavily flavored closed setups thread with a massclaim, I'm willing to skim it and reevaluate. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432504-mafia Absolutely nothing mafia could do from the start of the game. At max 10% chance of winning based purely on roles. Read my after game posts if you want more insight. I suggest anyone who pushed a townie lynch on D1 gets auto-lynched on D2 in case a townie gets lynched. You must have a 100% case on someone to become a town hero. Otherwise you are mafia because you refused to lynch the guy who is 100% not town. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Last crossfire game could be solved with massclaim. You told crossfire right? Don't you think he would go out of his way to make sure that wasn't the case with this game? | ||
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Amiko
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kushm4sta
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furthermore you continue to push a lynch on a claimed survivor because "he's not town." I cannot understand this stance at all. It is not good play to lynch a survivor d1 and you know that. And you are pushing this survivor lynch in lieu of scumhunting. As town you are primarily concerned with figuring out who scum are, which im not seeing this game. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Toadesstern - town, not going to argue about this in this game any more austinmcc - not posted kitaman27 - started saying dumb stuff again Hopeless1der - probably scum thrawn2112 - seems town JarJarDrinks - not posted kushm4sta - town Vivax - horrible opening Djodref - not posted Amiko - seems town. could focus onto something else than setup speculation. you need to either trust me or not, it's my ass on the line anyways so there is no need to "check" anything gumshoe - trolled, i have no idea what he is doing Tehpoofter - seemed town, i liked his proactiveness Alakaslam - scum or anti-town, must lynch asap. here are my reads. people who need to talk are not here. | ||
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