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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 14:54 GMT
#441
I am now telling everyone that survivor claims should always be lynched unless there is 100% scum because:
1) they can also be mafia fakeclaiming
2) they NEVER work for the town, they are basically +1 mafia even if they look like they are "helping"

Anyone who does not understand this is just plain out dumb or mafia. Period. Case closed.
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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 30 2014 14:55 GMT
#442
Survivor is just vt who doesn't have to worry about losing if he gets endgamed.
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
March 30 2014 14:56 GMT
#443
Rayn needs his mislynch and got it

Bravo
If you think Elon Musk is a Nazi, it is because YOU radicalized him!
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 14:58 GMT
#444
You have absolutely no idea what the best play for the town is and you just try to survive so i don't listen to you Slam.
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Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
March 30 2014 15:45 GMT
#445
@raynpelikoneet (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=18#348)
Initial Comments on raynpelikoneet & alakaslam: It seems to me that most d1 games get going by focusing on some interaction and then working off the reads for that interaction. I posted the comment & question because it seemed like the raynpelikoneet/Alakaslam interaction was a potential focus, but I didn’t understand it enough. To be more specific, I couldn’t tell whether it was early game silliness or actually based on some meta you two have.
Asking Kita & Hopeless: I think your question is good (why not ask the people involved to explain) but it wasn’t a good option at that time. I didn’t ask you because you had already gone to sleep. I didn’t ask Alakaslam because I felt I may not understand his response.
I picked kitaman27/hopeless because (1) they were in the thread and (2) hopeless’ interactions with you two stuck out a little. I don’t think I considered asking gumshoe since we were being silly at the time.

@rayn
You say you were in the thread here:
On March 30 2014 15:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you see any reason why town!Amiko asks you or Hopeless to clarify my thought process instead of asking me (i was btw in thread aswell)?

However, you also said you had left the thread here:
On March 30 2014 08:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
gn guys!

Besides the inconsistency, if you were in the thread why didn’t you comment on the situation at the time?

Catching up, will make another post or two in a few minutes
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 15:48 GMT
#446
Oh yeah you are right.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 15:50 GMT
#447
I was here for ~30min after i made the gn post. I just didn't care to post anymore.
But yeah, what you said makes sense.
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Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
March 30 2014 16:03 GMT
#448
If someone dies in the game, does the flip reveal their current role or any role history / alignment change the player had? If you won't answer that's ok.

Massclaim
On March 30 2014 16:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who's in for massclaiming?
Answer yes or no in your next post.

My answer is yes.


My answer is no - I don't see many (any?) advantages for this in a closed setup.
If it was a serious suggestion then I'm wiling to talk about it, though, and it looks like we are both on.


[u]Other Questions
@anyone what is LHF?
@kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)?
[/i]
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 30 2014 16:06 GMT
#449
On March 31 2014 01:03 Amiko wrote:
@kitaman27 I don’t see your original vote on thrawn2112 as scummy, but can you explain why you initially withheld your reasons for voting for thrawn (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=21085439)?


That was in response to a question about the rayn vote, not thrawn. Saying a random vote is random doesn't accomplish much, unless you're ready to move on.

Slam, could you post your role name, abilities, and win condition? If you don't do so, then you're working against town.

rayn, have you finished your research yet?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 16:07 GMT
#450
I guess this game is highly roled knowing it's Crossfire game and a closed setup with some sort of yak mechanic(s). In games where there are high number of roles massclaiming always benefits town. Always.

I have no idea what LHF is, where is it referred?

Is there a reason you are not voting for the dude who is not town?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 16:08 GMT
#451
On March 31 2014 01:06 kitaman27 wrote:
rayn, have you finished your research yet?

not gonna do it. 90% i will find nothing useful and i don't care about this game enough to test if the 10% gives me something.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 16:12 GMT
#452
kita why are you questioning Slam? We lynch him anyways so what does it matter?
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kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
March 30 2014 16:15 GMT
#453
On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is how townies do the "make other people think and see if you can catch lazy people because they are more likely to be mafia and draw retarded conclusions"


So lets get this straight, you decided to spend your time drawing a couple fancy pictures, suggesting that I'm creating a "web of disruption", write a huge post without a conclusion, promise to come to follow up three times and fail to do so, and now use the "I don't care excuse"?

Like what's the point of that post to begin with?
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 16:16 GMT
#454
On March 31 2014 01:15 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 30 2014 14:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Here is how townies do the "make other people think and see if you can catch lazy people because they are more likely to be mafia and draw retarded conclusions"


So lets get this straight, you decided to spend your time drawing a couple fancy pictures, suggesting that I'm creating a "web of disruption", write a huge post without a conclusion, promise to come to follow up three times and fail to do so, and now use the "I don't care excuse"?

Like what's the point of that post to begin with?

The point was at that time i cared. After Toad's post i didn't.
simple.
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Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
March 30 2014 16:31 GMT
#455
LHF
“LHF” It was from a slam post here-
On March 30 2014 06:27 Alakaslam wrote:
Toad same question. Don't go slandering saying I still don't help town. I'm not gonna be an NK in that yeah I generally suxxor but apparently there is a meta I can't fight so ppl will know im town in time. On the other hand you guys blatantly LHF the first guy Rayn prods- note he didn't vote me himself!

Re: voting - I’m considering voting slam - I was rereading him (and saw LHF). I don’t want to vote Slam right now, though: there’s over a day left, slam is already getting pressured, and I’d rather lynch scum than 3rd party survivor.

Massclaim
On March 31 2014 01:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I guess this game is highly roled knowing it's Crossfire game and a closed setup with some sort of yak mechanic(s). In games where there are high number of roles massclaiming always benefits town. Always.

I agree with the first sentence. I don’t know all the Dr. Who lore but even light wiki + the game description suggests cybermen/scum can probably convert targets to become cybermen/scum.
I don’t see how massclaiming helps us, though. In an open setup, it immediately gives you pools of people to vote for – if two people claim cop, then you know one is lying. If more people claim VT than can be VT, you have a nice pool of people to lynch from and may confirm some of your power roles. In a closed setup, though, I am not sure how that is effective.

- People can fabricate all sorts of weird roles that may be real given the expansive dr. who universe;

- We are likely to lose power roles to at least two non-town parties (dalek/cybermen), maybe more;

- If a lot of people just claim VT, we don’t have a heuristic to determine how many VTs there can be

- Even if someone feels confirmed due to being the only one to claim a likely role (ex: Dr. Who/Amy/Rory/River who appear in xatalos’ post) the person doesn’t stay trustworthy because there are conversions.

So, I feel like we don’t gain anything from a massclaim. If I am wrong explain why. If there is a heavily flavored closed setups thread with a massclaim, I'm willing to skim it and reevaluate.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 16:35 GMT
#456
Last Crossfire game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/432504-mafia
Absolutely nothing mafia could do from the start of the game. At max 10% chance of winning based purely on roles. Read my after game posts if you want more insight.

I suggest anyone who pushed a townie lynch on D1 gets auto-lynched on D2 in case a townie gets lynched. You must have a 100% case on someone to become a town hero. Otherwise you are mafia because you refused to lynch the guy who is 100% not town.
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kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
March 30 2014 16:57 GMT
#457
ryan
Last crossfire game could be solved with massclaim. You told crossfire right? Don't you think he would go out of his way to make sure that wasn't the case with this game?
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Amiko
Profile Joined February 2014
United States1725 Posts
March 30 2014 16:59 GMT
#458
I'll read that game and get back to you.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
March 30 2014 17:04 GMT
#459
ryan
furthermore you continue to push a lynch on a claimed survivor because "he's not town."
I cannot understand this stance at all. It is not good play to lynch a survivor d1 and you know that.
And you are pushing this survivor lynch in lieu of scumhunting. As town you are primarily concerned with figuring out who scum are, which im not seeing this game.
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 30 2014 17:40 GMT
#460
I don't care anyone thinks. I'll put myself on the copping block for saying if we massclaim it helps the town. Nobody is talking about 100% winning the game. It's about benefiting the town vs benefiting the scum. Massclaim always benefits town in high roled games, it doesn't matter what the roles are. I have played enough BYOR's and other shit to know it. But it's probably impossible to argue about it because noone will believe me anyways even if i can show 10 examples. So i don't care.

Toadesstern - town, not going to argue about this in this game any more
austinmcc - not posted
kitaman27 - started saying dumb stuff again
Hopeless1der - probably scum
thrawn2112 - seems town
JarJarDrinks - not posted
kushm4sta - town
Vivax - horrible opening
Djodref - not posted
Amiko - seems town. could focus onto something else than setup speculation. you need to either trust me or not, it's my ass on the line anyways so there is no need to "check" anything
gumshoe - trolled, i have no idea what he is doing
Tehpoofter - seemed town, i liked his proactiveness
Alakaslam - scum or anti-town, must lynch asap.

here are my reads. people who need to talk are not here.
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