EPTI'd be interested in more full thoughts on vivax, on kitaman (if rayn is mafia, is kita pushing him for the right reasons, whatever), and maybe......amiko, because that name is kind of fun to write and think.
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austinmcc
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I'd be interested in more full thoughts on vivax, on kitaman (if rayn is mafia, is kita pushing him for the right reasons, whatever), and maybe......amiko, because that name is kind of fun to write and think. | ||
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austinmcc
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(1) Toad's townie-feeling post is enough for you to still be town on him? Or...basically, how do you currently feel about toad? (2) Do you want to be gumshoe's companion? Why/why not? | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: He's not "changing his mind," at least not to me. On the spectrum of town <----> scum, he changed from "scum" to "probably scum maybe town" or something like that. There's a chance you're town, but he doesn't seem to think you ARE, just you might be.It's far likely townies take that kinda logical missteps. Scum are far more concerned to keep their story straight. Dude, you played with him in the last game, he was way more laid back and looked way worse than he does now. Just because he is trying to be pro-active and changes his mind does not mean he is scum, in fact it's most likely the opposite at least for a relatively new player like poofer. If you want to look at newbies look at Amiko instead, he is far more conservative and not sticking his neck out there. That's fine, updated a read/changing a read is sexy, ain't no thang. But if his biggest scumread MIGHT be town, what's his response? He doesn't go...look for more scum. He doesn't seem to have any other scumreads. This is DESPITE wanting to find a good scumread to lynch over slam. Like, he's not on the slam lynch, because we shouldn't lynch slam when we have good scumreads. But his one good scumread appears to NOT be much of a scumread anymore, and there's no push to find any other scumreads. | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: If he doesn't know what makes you mafia, and he doesn't know what to do with you, then what should he be doing upon realizing that?Like he basically says in his last post, "i don't know what i should think of you, how am i supposed to read you". All the posts before back up that line of thought. Also it's me, it's completely reasonable he doesn't know what makes me mafia and what makes me town as he has played one game with me. | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:51 austinmcc wrote: Come on come on, let's keep going. EIther you change my mind or I change yours or someone else chimes in and we learn stuff.If he doesn't know what makes you mafia, and he doesn't know what to do with you, then what should he be doing upon realizing that? If a guy has a scumread, then he's unsure of it, how does he follow up if he's town, real read, real worry that it's wrong, and how does he follow it up if he's scum, read was fake, either he finds it efficient to possibly change it or ... whatever. As he gets less sure of you, as town, I believe he should be looking for other scum. At the very least, he's VOTING a dude he isn't sure on, so he should want to make sure he's not mislynching. Where else does he look? How does he look? I see a couple little questions, to thrawn on djo, to me and JarJar, but not in ANY way that makes me think he finds JarJar or myself scummy, and the question to thrawn is about a townread of his. There's no...followup. A change of read is fine, but it should cause something to happen that I'm not seeing. | ||
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On April 01 2014 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm cool with that last paragraph and can see that as a reason for finding him town --> as scum he'd do this thing and he's not doing that thing, so he's more likely town.He thinks he knows but he doesn't. bah it's hard to explain. He thinks the stuff i do is scummy because he does not understnad it. I don't give a fuck so i don't explain it. He thinks it's more scummy. So what i do is scummy. But he is even willing to consider the possibility i am town and that he just does not know why he should read me as town. But that does not make me town, he still thinks i am scummy because of the stuff i have done. If he was scum he would just "keep his story straight" and say i am scum because of the stuff i do as noone can even hold him responsible for that - just because there is no way he can't know better unless he spends like 20 hours reading all my relevant games (and not only my filters). But I think it goes both ways. As town, I don't think this is the right action. Do you? | ||
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On April 01 2014 02:00 kitaman27 wrote: Not quite. Because rayn's doing a bunch of other stuff, whatever his read on you he's doing other things and trying to find scum elsewhere and blah blah blah. That other stuff is what's missing from poofter for me.Can't you make the same case against rayn? He finds my web suspicious, isn't sure about my alignment and then calls me stupid a bunch of times, rather than committing to a read. You saw marv do the same thing in shadow. At no point does he follow up with his read on my or attempt to ask me any direct questions until he goes from a 1-liner that I'm scummy to being 100% confident. rayn is not...lacking for scumreads. Poofter is, if he isn't sure on rayn. | ||
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On April 01 2014 02:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: What conclusions has he reached and what shit has he found.Of course i don't think it's the right action. The right action would have been to trust me and thrawn when we said that stuff does not make me mafia. But him not doing so is not scummy -> it only tells about him being interested in making his own conclusions and finding his own shit. Which is townie. It's turning towards the end of D2 and if the conclusion he's reached is "the guy I thought was scum might not be scum," then it should CAUSE HIM TO LOOK FOR MORE SCUM. | ||
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On April 01 2014 02:07 kitaman27 wrote: Hopelessaustin, could I get your perspective on hopeless (mainly whether you find the enforcement of the 1:1 trade scummy without having a scum read on me) and on djo? Hasn't really done anything, so this still applies, although somewhat weakened by the "not doing anything" Right now I'm moderately alright with hopeless. When called out by toad, he asked why he was mafia, said all they did was drop two quotes and say to lynch him. It's a very ... middle of the road reaction? He's not super worried about being called out. He's not entirely unconcerned. That's slightly slightly slightly townie for me. I think his bits on rayn are curious to post as scum, that you're not going to defend yourself because you think someone else is going to push this other lynch. It reads like a legitimate thought, and not something you want to post in thread if scum? I don't put boatloads of stock in it, but so far those bits from him leave me feeling not-scummy-by-a-small-margin on him. I don't think he's particularly trying to take advantage of anything with his play though. Nope nope nope. Most worrying thing about him is the focus on rayn/slam and that jazz. It IS an easy topic for scum to post about, it IS a thing that I'd expect scum to want to talk about. However, hopeless doesn't keep chatting about it even when he could. If he's mafia, he's sitting back when he could be screwing with the thread and driving it (what I believe to be) off course. Don't want to lynch. Don't want to crown Emperor of the Green. The 1:1 trade thing I just don't care about at all. If there is ACTUALLY "enforcement," then that's a thing to worry about. Otherwise it's just talk and I don't care and I think all talk of 1:1s is sillypants but it seems to come from all alignments. So I don't find it scummy. Djodref Djo calls a buttload of people town, that's the main thing I notice and it makes me okay with him for now (scum needs scummy folks, mislynches. If he has a hard time calling people scum as the game goes on, it's a red flag, but scum can't just sit back and call everyone town I don't think). I like the initial, simple reaction to slam and not spamming about it. I think a random mid/late D1 pressure vote into unvote and saying "PRESSURE VOTE" is a silly thing for mafia to do. Mild town points. The copout vote is smelly, but I'm overall okay with djo? If he's playing mafia, he's going to have a hard time continuing to play in the manner in which he is. So I say he keeps going, and if he paints himself into a corner he probably outs himself as he removes himself from said corner, or at the very least he has to figure out how to call people he's been labeling townie scummy, and that will make him do some work and making scum do work is good for me/us. | ||
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On April 01 2014 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Weak scum: gumshoe - hasn't said anything Kill with fire: kitaman27 Alakaslam So lynch kita -> lynch gumshoe. Hope one of them flips yak and then lynch Slam. There is probably gonna be one more mafia after that in case Slam is not mafia (i don't think he is). If Slam is third faction with KP you are all fucked and it's good i am not in the game because i would be so mad. On April 01 2014 01:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: [red]gumshoe is also scum.[red] Remember when i talked about people who don't have to do anything when Slam is on the chopping block? On March 30 2014 07:22 gumshoe wrote: I am the doctor, in two or less paragraphs tell me why you should be my next companion. says nothing On March 30 2014 07:32 gumshoe wrote: Tell me WHY you should be my companion please. Oh and pro tip, if you are in possession of boobs that doesn't exactly hurt your cause / :. says nothing On March 30 2014 08:34 gumshoe wrote: Oh, my, god. Contest is done. Just gonna be you me and space from now on ( : wanna go see a lava planet? nothing On March 30 2014 08:48 gumshoe wrote: Welp, almost anyone whose ever travelled with me has met some kind of horrible end, but I'm sure you'll be find :D nothing On March 30 2014 08:55 gumshoe wrote: This is our game dalek scum : P were the ones who are going to policy lynch you XD nothing On April 01 2014 02:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: On April 01 2014 02:02 austinmcc wrote: p.s. I think that if we can't get much agreement at all, we should lynch gumshoe (i think that's the right alternative I am sorry but i am not sure gumshoe is mafia enough to lynch him over Slam and i am sure kitaman is mafia so regardless of what everyone does my vote will not switch. You probably end up lynching me because Toad has no vote and Hopeless and kush will not change their votes regardless of what happens. Slam will stay on me because he can't win otherwise as i will lynch him some day and so will kita. So there you go, you have a buch of dumb people, a bunch of scum and a third faction who will not help you. You see why i don't care about getting lynched? [B]On April 01 2014 03:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: There's some screwy bold tags in there somewhere to go with screwy red tags. Not cleaning.Okay i really just fuck off now. this is getting so fucking terrible. [b][red]kitaman gumshoe Vivax mafia in there. not that anyone will listen. town lost gg. Gumshoe is weak scum, scummy, but you don't want to lynch him over slam, who you somewhat want to lynch because you think, regardless of alignment, he is anti-town and must be lynched? But he's always in your scum group...why would you not want to lynch him? | ||
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If you don't answer, I will probably never make an item and pretend to give it to you. Man, I got the best threats/motivational tools. There are a couple posters who just don't see scum anywhere, and it's unlikely that THEY are the scummy ones (they aren't your scumreads, so either your scumreads are wrong and scum is just lazy "ain't no scum" or they are actually town and a lot of townies are just not finding people scummy). Gumshoe sort of fits that, and he IS doing nothing. You seriously don't think we default on him if people don't agree, despite finding him scummy? | ||
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On April 01 2014 04:27 Amiko wrote: Why do you believe that slam is not town?Gumshoe vs. Slam For people in thread now, why pick gumshoe over slam? Maybe I'm biased because he picked me ~~~ but it seems to me that Alakaslam is not town, maybe scum, whereas gumshoe is just maybe scum. On April 01 2014 04:28 JarJarDrinks wrote: Why can he be scum or sk, but not town? Why does he have no reason to help town win, ever?my god people. Aslam gave us a free lynch. He could be scum, he could be SK, and the worst case scenario is we lynch someone who has no reason to help town win. It's autoplay. | ||
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On April 01 2014 04:35 Amiko wrote: gumshoe has done nothing but make useless posts. slam responded and actually wrote something out and RE-ENGAGED with me later on. gumshoe is not playing the game. slam, at times, is.@austinmcc & @kushm4sta can you explain why you would prefer to vote off gumshoe over slam? I do not actually know that is your preference but will take Djoref's word for it for now. To be frank and direct, I think non-town would prefer to keep a 3rd party role alive as a potential asset later in the game so I am suspicious of this preference. (obviously if slam is actually scum then there are other simple reasons you would prefer he live) That alone is enough for me. There's also the fact that I don't care at all about slam's claim. I don't care what he says, and by that I mean that I actually do not think it's townie/scummy/anything. It's pure null for me, and I think lynching him based on what he says is sillypants. If slam is TRUTHFUL and is a survivor, we don't want to lynch him. If slam is LYING and TOWN, we don't want to lynch him. If slam is LYING and ANTI-TOWN, we want to lynch him. But I don't particularly see why scumSlam goes and claims survivor partway through D1 in response to a little pressure. He can claim ANYTHING or claim NOTHING, and he just claims survivor and then halfway unclaims and claims some other random stuff? I do not believe that his claim makes him likely to be 3P or anti-town or anything. I interpret it as someone claiming stuff for fun, and doing silly things for fun is not alignment-indicative to me. | ||
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On April 01 2014 04:43 kitaman27 wrote: All I can say is that, while he has not been ACTIVE elsewhere, he has posted in World Championship mafia a couple times since being here. He's been on the site and reading that thread, but has not indicated any desire to participate in this one, nor has he actually participated.Do you think that this is the type of behavior you would expect from a mafia gumshoe? That, on average, is more likely a mafia thing. | ||
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On April 01 2014 04:45 JarJarDrinks wrote: So? Why does that mean he can't be town?Huh? Am I missing something or are you not reading the thread? He claimed non-town. I am a pig. I am a donut. I am anti-town. I am the moon. I am a survivor. I am Quetzalcoatl. It is HIGHLY unlikely that all of those statements are true. Yet I'm still town. | ||
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On April 01 2014 04:48 kitaman27 wrote: I'd prefer to lynch poofter. Not getting much consensus there.Taking a quick look at his only mafia game. He actually seems pretty wordy. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?page=44#868 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?page=56#1110 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/441596-gsl-open-mini-mafia-iv?page=75#1485 Are you confident enough that you'd want to lynch him now over someone who has posted, without waiting to see if he does shape up tonight? I would rather lynch gumshoe than slam, yes. I'm more troll or slam-lenient than most, and I'd rather lynch a player who has given no indication that he wants to participate in this game than someone who, at times, has attempted to do so. | ||
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I hope it is pro-town stuff. We will kill you if you do anti-town stuff. | ||
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