EPTWho is your doctor and what does he do?
I tend to believe Kita’s comment regarding tracking djo n1. I noticed the “something else” in his post earlier regarding DJO and figured it might be a softclaim. I am a little suspicious of Kita’s claim to have protected Austin n2. I do think protecting DJO was the safer play, but I’d also note that I feel this post:
On April 05 2014 05:09 kitaman27 wrote:
*Shines sonic screwdriver at austin in an attempt to blind him*
*Shines sonic screwdriver at austin in an attempt to blind him*
is more a roleblock claim more than a protect claim… it’s alignment indicative to me, though, and it might mean “something else” so I’ll leave it for the moment. (NOTE: This thought led me into the busdriver line of thought I posted in thread a little bit ago, I am redacting it from this post)
Angie and Rose -- A Rose is a Rose
I think I do not agree with kita’s suggestion that Angie makes sense as a scum role for the purposes he states. If Scum-Angie-Hopeless watches Vivax-Rose’s target, he doesn’t actually learn who Rose targeted, only other people targeting that player, so he still can’t be sure who has been alignment checked.
Vivax – Inconsistent Views
I still don’t feel persuaded by this case kita.
From my understanding, the crux of this point is the concept that D1 vivax liked kita and his case on rayn, but then D2 vivax says kita is terrible.
My first problem is that I feel vivax raised some suspicion of kita d1.
First, he seems to see kita as scummy.
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Calls a post from kita scummy here:
On March 31 2014 07:45 Vivax wrote:
The thing about Slam is that we don't know what kind of 3p there is in the game, being a closed setup he should be lynched at some point anyway, but not necessarily today, where we should rather lynch mafia. I don't like Rayn going for the "easy" lynch so quickly and calling it a day, same how I didn't like Toad going 100 % sure on hopeless in one of his initial post.
This post from kita I found scummy:
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This way of talking of "people of interest" summarizing some stuff to show where you stand kinda looks like posting for the sake of posting. Interesting is he only talks (as of suspects) about people that didn't react to his previous behaviour or asked him questions about his intentions.
The thing about Slam is that we don't know what kind of 3p there is in the game, being a closed setup he should be lynched at some point anyway, but not necessarily today, where we should rather lynch mafia. I don't like Rayn going for the "easy" lynch so quickly and calling it a day, same how I didn't like Toad going 100 % sure on hopeless in one of his initial post.
This post from kita I found scummy:
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On March 30 2014 15:54 kitaman27 wrote:
lol you amuse me.
But you have it backwards. I'm simply trying to gather the pieces for myself. The puzzle is mine to solve.
As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion.
thrawn is off my naughty list for the moment.
People of interest:
Tehpoofter seems to be asking questions that I don't find all that interesting. His initial vote of slam seems a bit forced.
Amiko asking me or hope for the clarification doesn't seem scummy to me. We were probably just around. His lack of opinion and direction does appear scummy however.
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Hopeless with his "do i need to go through the motions of totes serious voting to get a response?" conveys a kind of "look at me doing someone" without actually coming to a conclusion other than that I'm useless
slam...generally I try to ignore him and the last time I did so I believe he was mafia. Day one survivor claims are usually someone I would lynch, even if I thought they might be a survivor. My biggest worry is that he might be a trolly town who is willing to get lynched and doesn't care, but he wasn't willing to role claim when asked and shows signs of over frustration that doesn't appear genuine. I'll probably leave my vote on him, though we need to avoid the scenario where nobody is under pressure because the lynch is already decided.
kush is someone who usually gets on my nerves early and hasn't done so yet, which is a concern. I seem to remember him playing mafia and acting completely reasonable, but I'll have to look back to familiarize myself with some of his more recent games. In my opinion, thrawn and hope both overreacted to the random vote, yet kush doesn't draw the same conclusion by only expressing suspicion of thrawn. If slam is a survivor, then kush being the first one to defend him may make sense as mafia if he knows his alignment.
lol you amuse me.
But you have it backwards. I'm simply trying to gather the pieces for myself. The puzzle is mine to solve.
As for your "web of disruption" post, it has a catchy name, but I'll respond once you come to an actual conclusion.
thrawn is off my naughty list for the moment.
People of interest:
Tehpoofter seems to be asking questions that I don't find all that interesting. His initial vote of slam seems a bit forced.
Amiko asking me or hope for the clarification doesn't seem scummy to me. We were probably just around. His lack of opinion and direction does appear scummy however.
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Hopeless with his "do i need to go through the motions of totes serious voting to get a response?" conveys a kind of "look at me doing someone" without actually coming to a conclusion other than that I'm useless
slam...generally I try to ignore him and the last time I did so I believe he was mafia. Day one survivor claims are usually someone I would lynch, even if I thought they might be a survivor. My biggest worry is that he might be a trolly town who is willing to get lynched and doesn't care, but he wasn't willing to role claim when asked and shows signs of over frustration that doesn't appear genuine. I'll probably leave my vote on him, though we need to avoid the scenario where nobody is under pressure because the lynch is already decided.
kush is someone who usually gets on my nerves early and hasn't done so yet, which is a concern. I seem to remember him playing mafia and acting completely reasonable, but I'll have to look back to familiarize myself with some of his more recent games. In my opinion, thrawn and hope both overreacted to the random vote, yet kush doesn't draw the same conclusion by only expressing suspicion of thrawn. If slam is a survivor, then kush being the first one to defend him may make sense as mafia if he knows his alignment.
This way of talking of "people of interest" summarizing some stuff to show where you stand kinda looks like posting for the sake of posting. Interesting is he only talks (as of suspects) about people that didn't react to his previous behaviour or asked him questions about his intentions.
Affirming he still feels scummy on kita
On April 01 2014 02:43 Vivax wrote:
I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks.
I am working things off one by one. Nowhere did I say my suspicion of kita went "poof", so don't assume so just cause I am currently not asking him questions. If you could simply answer instead of spamming desperation cryouts cause of a question then it would be appreciated thanks.
Then, he moves toward a null read of kita, but still indicates some concerns/doubts on kita.
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On April 01 2014 03:46 Vivax wrote:
Nullish atm, didn't like how you started with your trick, then it seemed like you reacted to the pressure by giving a summary of the situation which felt like a stretch and looked like a post designed to look good not to find scum. That would be my main beef with your play. The way you replied to rayn made me feel better about you cause you pointed out his disruptive attitude.
Nullish atm, didn't like how you started with your trick, then it seemed like you reacted to the pressure by giving a summary of the situation which felt like a stretch and looked like a post designed to look good not to find scum. That would be my main beef with your play. The way you replied to rayn made me feel better about you cause you pointed out his disruptive attitude.
On April 01 2014 05:52 Vivax wrote:
thrawn and kita vote slam and postpone any possible scum lynches we can't be sure of at this stage. It's good play to buy time lynching a wildcard
thrawn and kita vote slam and postpone any possible scum lynches we can't be sure of at this stage. It's good play to buy time lynching a wildcard
I also think kita is misapplying Vivax’s statement that he is “being this bad as town”
Look at the quote in context:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445571-doctor-who-mafia-2?page=82#1635
Vivax isn’t saying that kita is being bad as town because of his push on rayn. Vivax is saying kita is being bad as town because kita is pushing onto Vivax.
Look at Vivax’s next post, too, where there’s this exchange
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Kita: So to be clear, you thought my case on rayn was valid yesterday, but today you can't imagine me being this bad as town, even though you agreed with me?
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Vivax: Yea precisely, especially cause of the push on me, I saw you hunting me when I was scum and it wasn't like this, gut wise. I know you are a good scumhunter and I feel like I'm not up against a scumhunter here, I'm simply up against a guy who decided for some reason he wants to lynch me but doesn't otherwise seem interested in what I have to say (like kush and tehpoofter though).
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So, what I’m saying is, I don’t feel like Vivax is calling kita scummy because of kita’s d1 being bad. I think Vivax is calling kita scummy because he feels the case on Vivax is bad and not presented right.
So, I don’t think kita’s case is particularly strong on this point because I don't see this as an inconsistency.
More in a little bit!
