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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:46 GMT
#1361
On March 07 2014 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That is a good point. If he looks better as mafia then he probably actually is mafia.
Kind of a bad heuristic to go on though.

it's not a bad heuristic at all if it's true

what you mean is that it's a heuristic that shouldn't be true because it's sad or bad that it is the case, which is different.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 06 2014 22:47 GMT
#1362
On March 07 2014 07:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way Oats evolved around first calling Rayn's plan dumb and then later seeing the point and then being (one of) the first to call LSB out on a bad post reads pretty town to me.

I don't particularly why he doesn't do any of that as mafia.

Take Palmar's cop game. Oats took a terrible stance and then argued it into the ground despite the entire game telling him he was being stupid. He didn't give it up or frankly even look like he would give it up.

I guess I was just so happy Oats was being logical that I presumed the improvement was town related in some way.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:47 GMT
#1363
why would you presume that?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 22:47 GMT
#1364
The thought process behind Oats' argument about my plan and the evolvement of it seems really townie to me as Artanis said.
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 06 2014 22:48 GMT
#1365
On March 07 2014 07:47 marvellosity wrote:
why would you presume that?

Because I am a silly person.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:48 GMT
#1366
I think Oats' thought process is way more likely to "evolve" as mafia than it is as town though. I think he just calls all plans stupid in every single game he's played as town when there has been plans. I don't understand why in this game he suddenly becomes more pliable.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 06 2014 22:48 GMT
#1367
On March 07 2014 07:45 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2014 07:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The way Oats evolved around first calling Rayn's plan dumb and then later seeing the point and then being (one of) the first to call LSB out on a bad post reads pretty town to me.

I don't particularly why he doesn't do any of that as mafia.

Take Palmar's cop game. Oats took a terrible stance and then argued it into the ground despite the entire game telling him he was being stupid. He didn't give it up or frankly even look like he would give it up.


To be fair I think he was doing it somewhat intentionally (knowing that his stance was bad). At least that's the picture I got from him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 06 2014 22:49 GMT
#1368
On March 07 2014 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The thought process behind Oats' argument about my plan and the evolvement of it seems really townie to me as Artanis said.

well the majority of town has decided to follow the plan afaik. Changing his mind to match town mindset is only slightly town and loess so for oats imo. hes still town to me though
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:50 GMT
#1369
Look at any Oats town game. He asks like every player constantly "who is scum Palmar" "who is scum rayn" "who is scum Artanis" "why don't you have reads" and he hounds ppl for it

there's literally none of that this game.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 06 2014 22:52 GMT
#1370
Scum in White Flag:

On November 01 2013 10:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lol ok, who do you think is scum Grack?

On November 01 2013 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
He hasnt been active at all. This is like newbie lurker status.
Other than me, who else do you think is scum?

On November 01 2013 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
He hasnt posted anything though. Of the people we can actually discuss, who do you think is scum?

On November 01 2013 20:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
So LJ, who do you MOST want to die today?


....
maybe not the hounding people part i didnt read that intently
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 22:53 GMT
#1371
On March 07 2014 07:48 marvellosity wrote:
I think Oats' thought process is way more likely to "evolve" as mafia than it is as town though. I think he just calls all plans stupid in every single game he's played as town when there has been plans. I don't understand why in this game he suddenly becomes more pliable.

No his argument was purely "rayn you are stupid your plan is bad" just for the sake of arguing.
Look at this, this is town!Oats:
On March 05 2014 15:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 15:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
YES BUT WE DONT KNOW WHO PICKED WHAT.

Yes we do, THAT'S MY FUCKING PLAN OATS!

lol
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
March 06 2014 22:54 GMT
#1372
One thing I am noticing from Oats is a much stronger reluctance to make hard conclusions. He calls people "weird" and asks why rather than say they're scum. Even his vote is a policy lynch. Even his jokes say stuff like "Xata confirmed scummier" rather than scum. Only people he's actually called scum are LSB and Gumshoe and that was when they were already under scrutiny.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:54 GMT
#1373
I mean obviously right now I am not going "look guise, he is mafia!" else I'd push for his lynch. So I don't know.

What I am basically saying is that there has been zero conversation around the possibility and for the reasons I outlined, I think there's a not unreasonable chance he is mafia.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:54 GMT
#1374
that's true rayn, that bit does look like town Oats.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:56 GMT
#1375
actually now I wish I hadn't brought that up, because Oats was one of the people that austin was apparently interested in. Meh.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 06 2014 22:56 GMT
#1376
I really don't know about Oats. I thought he was scum last game and he was just playing games. Maybe I should check him.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
March 06 2014 22:57 GMT
#1377
Why analyze a player when you can just CHECK HIM???!
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
March 06 2014 22:57 GMT
#1378
i mean i was willing to VT myself on the chance that Oats was mafia, but overall i think he is town
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 22:58 GMT
#1379
On March 07 2014 07:56 Xatalos wrote:
I really don't know about Oats. I thought he was scum last game and he was just playing games. Maybe I should check him.

he'd be a good check. I'm worried about the possibility of gf/framer type things, even though the roles don't really look like they allow for them. I can't really give any rationale behind this, other than the fact that there is one real investigative role (cop) and no other roles that look like they give mafia defence against a cop. That seems pretty harsh on mafia. So... yeah.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 22:58 GMT
#1380
On March 07 2014 07:54 marvellosity wrote:
that's true rayn, that bit does look like town Oats.

I have basically not paid attention to Oats after that post.
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