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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:21 GMT
#961
what motivation does mafia have for denying a town leader the role he wants?

really prplhz?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 11:22 GMT
#962
Yes it's either
1) marv is right or
2) prplhz is right which translates into this:

If i don't have the universal backup i have to trust Oats is town - which can be possibly discredited.
Even if i trust Oats is town i have to tell in thread what i want him to do, which gives scum information what's going to happen in contrary to me saying "i want these people to do these things, trust me i know what i am doing" which makes MY actions unknows - scum can't know what's going on because i am really good in mass roled games because i have played a shitton of them.

Basically there is only scum motivation to deny universal backup from me unless gumshoe thinks i am mafia which he does not say he thinks.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:23 GMT
#963
I have been thinking about Oats a little. I wonder if it's worth someone near the bottom of the draft 2nd picking Universal Backup, just in case :x
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:23 GMT
#964
actually you could do that rayn?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 11:24 GMT
#965
On March 06 2014 20:23 marvellosity wrote:
I have been thinking about Oats a little. I wonder if it's worth someone near the bottom of the draft 2nd picking Universal Backup, just in case :x

If scum!Oats does not pick UBU or is not truthful in what roles are not in the game it's worse to mafia than him doing so. Trust me.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:25 GMT
#966
well you're probably going to end up VT as last pick anyway, seems a decent one to cover. Dunno.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 11:26 GMT
#967
That's why the plan is so foolproof, there is no benefit for mafia lying about the UBU pick or the roles. Regardless of who picks it, the role is only bad for mafia, or very bad for mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 11:27 GMT
#968
I'll YOLO something.
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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:27 GMT
#969
so no-one talked to me about things i should be choosing between :<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 11:28 GMT
#970
Like if Oats is mafia and has his mafia partner to pick UBU instead mafia gains nothing, they can only lose something if they fuck up. There is literally no way mafia gains anything if Oats does not pick UBU.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 11:33 GMT
#971
Oats if you are town you are around @ the deadline and announce the roles not in the game immediately when you get your PM!!
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12971 Posts
March 06 2014 11:34 GMT
#972
Marv I think you should choose vet because you being alive is generally a positive thing when you're town.
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 06 2014 11:34 GMT
#973
Why is it a problem to trust Oatsmaster if, as you say, it is in both a town and a scum Oatsmaster's interest not to lie?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 06 2014 11:36 GMT
#974
No one even knew for sure that Oatsmaster would get Universal Backup.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 06 2014 11:38 GMT
#975
I have no problem in trusting Oats. But i am not the only person in this game.
table for two on a tv tray
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:39 GMT
#976
prplhz are you going to do anything else this game than hard-defend people doing suspicious things? Just curious
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 06 2014 11:42 GMT
#977
On March 06 2014 20:39 marvellosity wrote:
prplhz are you going to do anything else this game than hard-defend people doing suspicious things? Just curious

Dunno, we'll see.

From my point of view the case against gumshoe just looks like this:

marvellosity's argument: He is trying to piss off a town leader as much as he possibly can, we don't know why though.

raynpelikoneet's argument: He is trying to deny me a role, but denying it to me isn't really going to make that much of a difference.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:43 GMT
#978
On March 06 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
what motivation does mafia have for denying a town leader the role he wants?

really prplhz?

Yeah. This pretty much stands.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 06 2014 11:46 GMT
#979
On March 06 2014 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 20:21 marvellosity wrote:
what motivation does mafia have for denying a town leader the role he wants?

really prplhz?

Yeah. This pretty much stands.

The answer to this question is so obvious that you wont give it to me?

Or you don't know the answer but you assume that there is one?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 06 2014 11:47 GMT
#980
There doesn't have to be an answer beyond what is written...

On an objective basis, moving a town leader from spot 2 to spot 12 is simply a good thing.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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