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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:47 GMT
#2505
On March 10 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
D1:
At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar.
A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said.
When the votes start to pile on VE/Killing instead of him, Killing is not anymore mafia and Robik gets demoted from strong town (wasn't the stuff good anymore?).
Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch.
In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum".

D2:
At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT.
Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA!
templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1.
He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me.
Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam.
When me and Oats vote for Killing templar comes in with a "case", but hey, he still wants to kill me the most. It does not matter his top scumread is voting for the same target he ends up voting for.
He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's.

D3:
Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead.
Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit.
Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing".
Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone).
Ends up voting for Palmar.

TLDR; DO I SERIOUSLY NEED TO FUCKING WRITE ANOTHER PARAGRAPH WHAT IS WRONG WITH ALL THESE THINGS TEMPLAR HAS DONE?

##Vote: GGTeMpLaR

On March 10 2014 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
There are three things that are important, here they are (in order from most important -> less important):
1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack.
2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times.
3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments.

If there is something you don't understand or want me to elaborate more on please do ask.
The bolded & underlined parts go together with (2). Everything else basically goes together with (1). (3) is a general observation from all of his posts. I would also add (4) which is that i have noticed a pattern in his activity which is that he is not here posting at any point other than when he is under attack from someone. That does tell about him not wanting to figure out the game instead of just wanting to survive which is a basic mafia trait.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:48 GMT
#2506
On March 11 2014 22:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because being wrong does not make anyone mafia and my my resaoning is not suspicious unless you want to point out why, then we can discuss it.

We could. But my time is limited and it doesn't help us finding the lynch target for today so I'd rather not have to argue with you. Don't need no PYP LOL 2.

Then don't, because i am town.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:51 GMT
#2508
Also you should put your votes on ggtemplar.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 13:55 GMT
#2510
Not only the case but his defence was "the stuff rayn says is just incorrect, fabricated, etc etc.." without pointing out why.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 14:00 GMT
#2514
Funny thing. templar says he has been pro-active and trying to figure out shit. JAT go through templar's filter, ctrl+f "?" in his filter and see how many questions & conclusions based on those questions he does have in his filter.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 14:01 GMT
#2515
EBWOP: questions that can be even remotely labeled as "trying to figure out the game" in case it wasn't clear.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 14:06 GMT
#2517
Don't worry this lynch is my baby.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 14:09 GMT
#2519
On March 11 2014 23:07 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Funny thing. templar says he has been pro-active and trying to figure out shit. JAT go through templar's filter, ctrl+f "?" in his filter and see how many questions & conclusions based on those questions he does have in his filter.

Nice observation. There are nearly no questions that are gaining him information. There are rhetorical questions, questions used in his own defense but apart from that...
Possibly useless observation: If he for once posts a real question then it's often directed at slam or about slam somehow.

This might be the strongest argument you brought up thus far.

The problem is not necessarily that do does that. The problem is he claims he has been pro-active in trying to figure out the game which is definitely not true based on what i said.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 14:10 GMT
#2520
Like, some people are not pro-active. They observe and make conclusions. But claiming you have been pro-active when you are not is a straight out lie.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 14:22 GMT
#2523
Yes boone is one to watch. Especially since i think Palmar is not mafia. It's possible that mafia has a roleblocker and she is a medic but as there is a cop i'd say it's more likely that there is a GF/framer (based purely on balance).

Also the nightkills kinda implicate she is town, otherwise i don't see anyone making those kills (unless mafia is all DM, but that's WIFOM so screw that).
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 14:28 GMT
#2525
stfu and go do something useful robert.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:22 GMT
#2695
fuck you guys are bad.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:28 GMT
#2697
You should all be voting for templar because:
1) he is mafia
2) nobody has told why my case is bad so apparently noone disagrees with it
3) there is no other case
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:31 GMT
#2698
he also calls boone & Palmar mafia but ends up voting for... SURPRISE SURPRISE me for Oats' case I HAVE ALREADY ANSWERED!!!

Fucking BS! So fucking BS. scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:31 GMT
#2699
Oh and he calls me town. trololol.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:36 GMT
#2700
On March 11 2014 09:32 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
So there's far too many people this game who don't know how to read for them all to be scum, so most of the people doing dumb shit are probably just incompetent/lazy town who SHOULD feel stupid as hell when I flip green.

At this point the best thing I can do is try to have my vote on scum when I die so I can feel better about getting lynched by logical fallacies.

Rayn is probably just a noob town tunneled on me at this point, partially motivated by a meta-read from another game.

The way Palmar completely flipped on him/me though felt weak as fuck. I thought Palmar was scummy D1, and after analyzing the votes he's probably with Grack or Dandelion. Fortunately you still have a misslynch after you kill me so if you kill Palmar tomorrow, the order in which you kill Grack/Dandel doesn't matter too much. Kill the three of them and you probably win the game.

I was seduced into townreading Dandel by JAT after the D1 flip but in light of Killing flipping scum I think it's possible his analysis was just wrong, sort of like how he's wrong on me right now. If he's right though the last one is Grack.

I scumread Dandel/Palmar D1 as well and D2 Grack went on my radar. Rayn defended all three of them and pushed me the whole game. No one wants to lynch rayn so if rayn is scum, all the town should feel stupid because they are (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me).

And if I'm right that it's Palmar and Dandel or Grack, then Rayn should feel stupid for defending mafia against a town accuser the whole game and pushing a lynch on a townie who was trying to kill scum (although they probably won't. they'll just blame me).

##Vote: Palmar

On March 12 2014 02:11 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 02:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 12 2014 02:00 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On March 12 2014 01:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 12 2014 01:53 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Anyways, right now, assuming Rayn is wrong, I can't really put stock into his townreads because I know his reads are shit this game. He will get time to re-evaluate them once I flip green though so hopefully he can figure this shit out after he wastes one of the misslynches based on a "meta-read".

I know there seems to be this huge town circle from Rayn/Palmar that seems to conclude that Grack/Dandel/Palmar/Rayn/Slam are all town but I know this can't be the case because I'm fairly confident that Robik is town now so it can't be Robik/Boone, meaning someone is pretty fucking wrong.


So your scumread on rayn has vanished?


It's not vanished. If I meta-read him he's playing almost the same as his other town game (although not exactly the same). I'm suspicious over that small discrepancy but it's so small it could just be regular town-town discrepancy in his play.

I think his accusations against me are bullshit but apparently I'm the only one (aside from the Grack point I concede). I can sort of understand where he's coming from though, and almost everyone here seems to think he's town at this point so it's pretty pointless beating a dead horse. If he's mafia you guys probably already lost. In any case he isn't the lynch today.

Ok. If you think so there are only 2 ways for you to survive this day.

1) You convince rayn that you are town. Unlikely.
2) You make a better case on a mafia. Maybe possible.


Rayn is clearing Grack/Dandel. It's still possible Rayn is wrong because he is clouded by me, but I sort of liked Grack's/Dandel's contributions today. That basically leaves Palmar as an almost necessary scum.

I don't think both Boone/Killing would be rolled mafia together when it's both of their first forum games, but it's possible. Boone has been off this game for me so I'm suspicious of her. If I ignore meta things like that and the medic claim, she would be my #1 lynch even before Palmar.


On March 12 2014 03:44 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Rayn

Can we kill this scum already?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:46 GMT
#2702
Boone is almost definitely mafia if templar is mafia. She has done everything to defend him and the nightkills make absolutely zero sense for most of the TL players. Or Slam, if the check is somehow fucked up.

In an imaginary world where templar is town 2 out of you/Grack/boone. Maybe even Slam if the check is fucked up. His vote is so terrible. But i don't live in imaginary world so i haven't really paid attention to this.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:56 GMT
#2706
No you are insane if you are trying to tell me templar has made "some amazing logical arguments against people (right or wrong)".
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:57 GMT
#2707
How the fuck can you and Robik even argue he is town based on meta when NEITHER OF YOU HAVE PLAYED WITH HIM IN FORUM MAFIA!?!?!?

Jesus christ a copule of hours ago you AGREED with me that THIS LOOKS LIKE HIS SCUMPLAY"!!!
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
March 11 2014 20:59 GMT
#2708
On March 12 2014 01:24 boonetown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
yes.

But i'll give you a prime example that proves templar is mafia.
Since you all are incapable of going to the Really small mafia game and read his filter which is 100% the same kind of play he does this game here:

Look at his stance on Grack this game. This is the last fucking time i repeat this.
D1: Grack is town because he follows a good case by templar
D2: When VE flips town Grack is mafia because he followed a bad case and "forced a mislynch" (which by templar's logic should be HIS fault as he made the case).

This is what he did in Really small mafia, these are my posts on him on D2:
On January 14 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 12 2014 12:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town.

On January 13 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote:
Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died!


It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida.

On January 13 2014 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.


scumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscumscum.

On January 14 2014 07:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On January 14 2014 07:24 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
You want some reasons even though you've given none on why I'm scum?

1. First actual post with reads

On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have read.
##Vote: GGTeMpLaR

Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it.


You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason.

2. Next actual real post with any reads - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222&currentpage=11#203

You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town.

How's that scum?

Your reasons are bullshit.
You can't call me mafia for something i have done at the start of D1, when you have townread me at the start of D2!!

You are making shit up.

On January 14 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed".
That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right.

GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae?

What he does is he twists the same information to fit a scenario that benefits him the most. He calls people town and mafia based on same information depending on which furthers his agenda the best.

This dude is 100% mafia, his play matches exactly his play on his ONLY scumgame on this forum and it's NOTHING like his townplay. + his posts are full of crap and his reads do not evolve naturally.



it's pretty much identical.. (by the way i just got back so i have like, 5 pages to read through, sorry guys!)

Explain this post right now boone!
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