EPTOn March 11 2014 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Then stop posting useless things and read.
Then stop posting useless things and read.
And because something is not a case it suddenly becomes useless? Grouchy people today.
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
And because something is not a case it suddenly becomes useless? Grouchy people today. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look Robik, i don't like this post. For a couple of reasons. I read people more from why they do things they do. I consider pushing a lynch that you actually try to convince people into why your case is better than the case on any other candidate. If there are two cases and someone does not give clear reasons why they vote one dude over another i consider that as not caring about the lynch. Noone of the Killing voters on D1 did try to really convince other people and pushed the case. That's my honest opinion. People voted for him and sat on their votes. That's what i saw when i read the thread and i hate myself for not being able to be here because if i was we would have lynched templar. I don't like you telling me i am fabricating stuff. If you make that kinda accusation please go to your filter and show me where are the posts where you convince people into voting Killing over VE when the votes started flying. Because you can't. I understand it's possible that's your playstyle but don't you dare to tell me i am fabricating stuff. I tell you and everyone what i see and what i think about it, and that's what i see. saying you tried to hammer is useless because you didn't. So if i am not making sense tell me where i am wrong. Because i am not. That does not mean you are mafia though. But don't tell me i am fabricating shit if you can't prove it because that IS scummy as fuck. Yes, if you make a case on Grackaroni that i think is better than my case i will vote for him instead of templar. I am perfectly capable of re-evaluating who is the best lynch based on cases there are. I miss stuff, i can't possibly notice everything, otherwise i would be lynching mafia 100% of the time. So please make a case and then we can discuss which case is better. This also leads me to this. If you defend someone then please, point out why my case is bad. Bad cases are bad for the town and everyone who is town should point out why a case is bad if they think it's bad. That's fucking simple, cut off bad cases asap so mafia has no room to hide and there are only good cases. Basic logic. I don't like the fact you repeatedly tell me Grack is a better lynch than templar but you can't point out why my case is bad nor are you even trying to make a case on Grack. I made over 5 posts on day 1 why Killing was maf. Just fucking read the filter and stop being a lazy ass. Saying that me and JAT trying to hammer him doesn't matter cause he didn't get lynched is foolish. Both of us voted within the last 2 minutes (and me 1 minute) in the day to swing the vote in favor of Joey getting lynched before Palmar and Dandelion swung it back onto VE. So while you can say "that's what you did" all you want, unless you go back and read my filter and then proclaim those same sentiments, you're either making up shit or you're misremembering and being too big of a stubborn ass to reread and do what it necessary to win the game. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
The thought ran through my mind that it was you,temp,joey but like, what are the chances lol | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:51 IAmRobik wrote: I made over 5 posts on day 1 why Killing was maf. Just fucking read the filter and stop being a lazy ass. Saying that me and JAT trying to hammer him doesn't matter cause he didn't get lynched is foolish. Both of us voted within the last 2 minutes (and me 1 minute) in the day to swing the vote in favor of Joey getting lynched before Palmar and Dandelion swung it back onto VE. So while you can say "that's what you did" all you want, unless you go back and read my filter and then proclaim those same sentiments, you're either making up shit or you're misremembering and being too big of a stubborn ass to reread and do what it necessary to win the game. You are clearly incapable of reading what i just wrote. It's pointless to argue with you about this. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: One of templar/robik is mafia. I am really really sure of it. -No support for bold assumption 1. -Strikethrough is plain wrong. Yes I have been defensive but I have most certainly acted proactively this game and questioned several people. You were fairly defensive yesterday as well (basically OMGUS'd two people) - which I called you out on - (One of which was against Oats who called you scummy, me towny, and is now dead. Your response was "ha you think I'd ever nightkill Oats?", when a lot of people thought Oats played well this game. You just laughed like it was another shitty read of mine (Grack did too). -Bold 2 is, ironically, a textbook definition of "flinging shit". Do I need to say any more? -Underline: actually I was under the impression that there were four mafia at the time, not three, hence my lists of four on D1. I have no idea what you mean by my stance on Killing being "fishy", lost my townread on him D1 and began scumreading him by the end of D1. -Next strikethrough literally false information. I do not remember EVER calling Killing "not mafia" on D2. I skimmed my own filter and did not find it. Can you point me to where I said this on D2 or are you literally just making shit up now to bury me? Further, I did push my scumread on Killing and I didn't "just sheep your vote". I gave a unique argument no one brought up before that I felt like was even further reason to kill him at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=97#1934 . The last bit - I still don't know what your 'brilliant' case against me is from D1. Half of your accusations against me D1 were straw man arguments because you kept misinterpreting what I was saying//making faulty assumptions due to poor reading comprehension, or trying to force something as scum. On March 10 2014 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: D1: At the start of the game templar has Killing as town because he pointed out good stuff on Palmar. A bit later templar changes his read on killing to be scum because of what robik said. Grackaroni is strong town because he realized same stuff templar did about VE and pushes his lynch. In the end of D1 Killing is back to being mafia "in case scumbuddy flips at least i called him scum". D2: At the start of the day Dandel gets a townread for what JAT said in QT. Grackaroni is mafia because he pushed VE lynch for stuff templar thought was good aswell!!!!!!! HAHAHAHA! templar points out more evidence for Killing being mafia, but likes Boone/Killing/Robik a lot less, there's probably at least one mafia in them but doesn't know who it is yet. This makes no sense given his stance on them EOD1. He calls boone mafia because boone is casting light suspicion on Palmar but not trying to lynch him. Notice templar's top scumread has been me throughout the game, and he has shown no interest in building a case on me nor convincing anyone to vote for me. Then he votes for Slam out of nowhere, "because he has done nothing but troll". But this is what he said a while back; "Kinda like Palmar/Slam still". He asks a couple of people about their stance on Slam. He points out Palmar's alignment is not necessarily related to Killing's or that we can't deduce Palmar's alignment based on Killing's. D3: Votes for Grack because Grack defended Killing on D1 and pushed VE lynch instead. Says "(just to make it more clear, Killing had 2 scum yesterday, Robik was his top scumread, Grack was his second. his reasoning on Grack was weird/awkward as hell)". This should point into Grack being town because if mafia's reasoning for someone to be mafia is awkward it's more likely they can't come up with a good reasoning because the target is town. As mafia it's easy to make a case on mafia because you already know the other person is mafia. So this reasoning is pure bullshit. Suddenly Dandel is scum again because Grack is scum too and templar "can see them both being mafia with Killing". Boone could be mafia because she called Grack/Dandel scum yesterday (with myself as a possible fourth) and has been defending Rayn a lot. If she really nailed it there mafia would have certainly killed her in the night (no reason not to hit two birds with one stone). Ends up voting for Palmar. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR D1: -Bold part is plain just wrong and fabricated again. I townread Killing based on video mafia meta that he was playing similarly to (which both Robik/Boone also agreed on at the time). His read on Palmar at the time just made me townread him more. -Underline: Robert called him out on good points. I noted them how I felt about them in light of his play here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/444554-foundation-mafia?page=55#1090 . If you want to talk about weird shit D1, look at these: On March 06 2014 01:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: If killing / Robik flips mafia kill the other one. 100% guaranteed. On March 06 2014 02:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay so templar made a case on me that was really bad and then he gave three town reads. I think that qualifies as not doing anything useful? I would lynch Killing for his posts but i have a hard time believing he went all out on me like that as mafia. On March 06 2014 03:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why are you voting for Killing over ggtemplar? On March 06 2014 05:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Kill for this post. Kill fo this post!!!!!! Killing was green earlier! Now when he is a lynch target he is scum. Kill kill kill!!! Anyways, back to Rayn's post on me regarding the next strikethrough- More fabricated information - I never said Killing wasn't mafia, he was my second lynch for the day. Boone is the one who said his existential crisis read town, not me. I had very good reasons to vote VE however, especially when he didn't respond to my accusation (or Grack bringing it up again). I trusted Grack because I was pretty convinced VE was mafia at that point as he basically checked out of the game after flopping on me . Italics part is useless "shit flinging" D2: -Underline isn't relevant. Adding fluff statements to his shit to waste my time in breaking down his post. If he thinks Dandel is scum BECAUSE I am scum, he's making pre-flip association reads (which many people have called bad), so I'll ask you be consistent on this stance and be even more harsh on a vet like Rayn doing it who should know better. This also makes it very convenient for him to townread Dandel tomorrow if I get lynched because I'll flip green and his weak ass associative read can get tossed like *that*. -Bold part is shit. he misrepresents the nuance of my argument against Grack being a sheepread. I never pressed hard on Grack or tried to get him lynched though. He never explains why me trusting the DM people less makes no sense. D1 is over, meta reads from video mafia become less relevant and content is going to be the primary motivator for reads at this point. -Don't worry italics, today is dedicated to you now. You are 99% scum at this point. The vast majority of your argument is fabricated because you didn't even bother to reread filters and the rest is assumptions/shit-flinging/hypocrisy. You've done this for three days in a row. Unless you can go supermode like Palmar did today, for me, you're basically -Note the bold, "he asks". I didn't ever question people though, right? You're not even putting effort into this. Also, I don't have a long history with Slam and I need to be reassured that he is town if other people think so because I literally have no idea how to read him. -Strikethrough is literally fabricated/wrong again. In the very same post I make my case against Killing, I say I would rather kill him than Rayn that day. He laughs at me when I say it's possible that he/Killing be mafia together and just sort of tries to bully the thread into the mindset that "I bus'd my own partner there? YEA RIGHT HAHA". Killing literally gave up that day of course an active scum partner is going to bus him at that point, you are in no way shape or form cleared by his flipping scum. -Underline is more useless fluff/statement material that also happens to be fabricated/blatantly false. I said with regards to the specific instance of Robik's analysis of the voting that Palmar's alignment isn't necessarily the same as Killing's. You just extrapolated that into a straw man of "you can't deduce anything about X player's alignment from Y player's alignment" which I am very aware is bullshit 99% of the time and something I would probably never say. D3: -Bold: Knowing someone is mafia or not, as mafia, has nothing to do with how good/bad you can make case against them. Your ability to fabricate a case against someone when you are mafia is going to be based solely on how townie/scummy the person you're making a case against is playing and how well their arguments hold up. Independent of that, I pretty quickly rejected that reasoning based on the night death being Oats over Boone. I was basically thinking out loud in these posts, giving my line of thought as it progressed in the hopes that maybe someone would comment on it or join in on scumhunting with me instead of solving the puzzle as if I'm supposed to townread you more for trying to solve a fking puzzle. The only thing I get from all that now is that Slam is even more town for calling the puzzle which says he is town useless. If he's mafia he would just go with it. -Italics is you literally leaving huge chunks of reasoning out again from my arguments. Yes I voted Palmar, he really didn't do anything D2 and look what became of my vote on Palmar - he went fucking super sayain mode. If you're town you should be thinking Slam/myself for pressuring/bringing it out in him instead of letting him fucking lurk again. I'm quite satisfied with the analysis of his I have read so far. I had to get this out of the way but I'll catch up to the newer stuff shortly. ##Unvote ##Vote: Rayn inb4 he ignores everything and calls it OMGUS again Seriously, the sheer quantity of blatantly wrong information in his attack against me should show you he obviously is either not committed to this game at all or grasping for straws and hoping everyone else will be too lazy to fact-check any of it. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: What does it matter? Are you trying to defend him based on what i think what happens after the lynch? wtf? Why are you trying to make this something that it isn't? This is very clear. If you want to lynch someone other than templar make a better case and/or tell me why my case is bad and not just repeatedly dance around the issue. I'm not trying to defend him. I do lean town on him for the reason that he's super paranoid and flip flopping on everything (which you find scummy). I don't know his alignment and therefore I'm nervous about lynching anyone. Even though I thought that Joey was scum, I didn't _KNOW_ that he was, and that's why I made the posts that I made with regards to him. The level of conviction your showing is disturbing and the fact that you're unwilling to analyze any other viable scenario is unhelpful and scummy. Making your thoughts on one person known is really easy to do as scum because you can focus on their posts and just tunnel on them. No matter what they flip, you can just make up a new read on another person the next day and you don't have to justify any of the statements you made earlier besides just saying "oh well, he was scummy, so it was a good lynch" if that person flips town. | ||
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IAmRobik
United States5878 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:49 boonetown wrote: why the hell am I in two of your possible mafia scenarios of 3, but not in your scum list? Cause your claim makes you untouchable until mylo/lylo so you better fucking get a save. I've been discussing your claim a tad with Palmar in QT, but I don't want to discuss it here cause I thought that was a much more viable avenue for discussing a claim as opposed to doing it in thread. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whatever. Everyone can do whatever they want to. I am being honest here, i basically don't give a fuck about this game because people make shit cases, when someone is being called out they don't respond, but instead they shit on the accuser and OMGUS the shit out of everyone. I don't feel like putting effort to the game where noone even realizes how a mafia game works or maybe people just don't give a fuck. So i won't either. On March 09 2014 00:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oats is probably mafia. He knows me better than this. On March 09 2014 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar you are either scum or playing a really bad game if you seriously consider that i am mafia. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I also understand nobody will even notice my case. Nobody will pay any attention to the fact that nobody noticed my case on D1, nobody will pay any attention to the fact that templar didn't answer my case on D1, but guess what; That's why i don't give a fuck, nobody is playing mafia in this game. So do your guessing game then because i am sick of repeating same things over and over again. Please, by all means continue doing jack shit. But don't expect me to play the game then. You have no case. You are acting like Robik was acting D2. You are the world's biggest hypocrite. | ||
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boonetown
Canada169 Posts
On March 11 2014 03:59 IAmRobik wrote: Cause your claim makes you untouchable until mylo/lylo so you better fucking get a save. I've been discussing your claim a tad with Palmar in QT, but I don't want to discuss it here cause I thought that was a much more viable avenue for discussing a claim as opposed to doing it in thread. can we take a moment to recognize that meta runs deep in the DM community and templar is the FIRST person on day 2 and D3 to mention that i should be dead and why aren't i dead and should be a lynch. Templar is always paranoid over meta plays and shit like that. @templar: why didn't you even question that i could be alive for the sole purpose of getting lynched as an alive medic. Instead you only mention that i should be dead, and should be lynched for being alive. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: 1) His stance on Killing. Every time Killing was not under attack (after the start of the game) templar calls him mafia. When Killing is under attack someone else is mafia. See especially his reads on D1 and his "push" on Slam on D2 when the thread was discussing killing/grack. 2) His reads do not evolve rationally. He calls people town and mafia for same reason. He calls people who do same things he does mafia. His stances on people make absolutely no sense as i have pointed out many times. 3) When he's been called out he does not attack people's arguments rather than the people behind the arguments. To me it does not matter what templar says at this point, i have seen enough. 1. 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jXbZOeGD0 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jXbZOeGD0 | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:20 Palmar wrote: huehue These are from the same post. Rayn pointed it out day 1. Everyone is bad. Everyone asked me to explain my initial reasons for voting. Initial reads for voting =/= reads after catching up on the thread. I did them in chronological order. I don't know why this simple concept is difficult to understand. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:21 Palmar wrote: dude literally called slam town and scum in the same post. #context | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:23 Palmar wrote: No I don't care anymore rayn, I read your interactions with templar day 1. You're now town hero. seriously? one of you is throwing | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: To be fair he later on said "he explained his thought process on Slam read throughout the game" and that's why he wrote a scumread and townread on him in the same post. It kinda makes sense, what doesn't make sense is why he did it in the first place. I was asked to. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9846 Posts
On March 10 2014 19:09 Palmar wrote: Palmar: So remember how I had a town read on Grack on day 1, that was mostly based on him making a few really good reads (imo at the time). I thought him being right = him being town. Here is his read on Slam: I totally forgot about this post too, this is where I called Grack out for being useless/trolling. (remember on day 1 I was trying to get people to play the game). Another little nugget: VE apparently called Grack out: This next post is the big town-read post. When Grack posted this I felt really sure that he had to be town, there is no reason really for mafia to ever give Oats (knowing how Oats is usually a lynchbait) a townread. You can almost count on Oats to be there to screw up for town in lylo, but Oats actually played a very impressive game and (ironically I am the lynchbait now...) and Grack gave him props for it. So Grack has thrown out two town-reads on people who are almost certainly town, and at this point he also seemed to like me as town too. See! I loved that post! This is a super interesting post from Grack. He gives me/dandel/slam/robik all a pass. We know VE is town now. Rayn is still that one piece of the puzzle I just can't get. If anyone can explain to me if the part about "I'm inclined to believe that he (robik) would lurk as mafia" is a legitimate read, that would be great. I have no idea why Grack would assume this. But it could be based on past games? assuming robik is a newbie? idk. To give Grack what he deserves, he was at least trying to poke at the game. f This is one of few posts where Grack is poking at Rayn, several others regard to rayn's call for a policy lynch on Grack. Again, to be fair to Grack, he did like me come around on austinmcc when austin started posting. The timing of this post is very important. Grack who had previously agreed to a Killing lynch changed his mind based on Killing's "remorse" post, if you want to call it that. He then moved over to VE who Grack was also pressuring at the time. This next post is written when I had just made the switch over to Killing and called for everyone to go hammer Killing (something Grack did not do). Since this Grack hasn't really done anything at all in the game. He argued a bit with Oatsmaster, but his filter is extremely short and he doesn't appear to be really trying to win. That all being said, he has for the most part explained his pushes (his VE push had reasons, they weren't great but they were there). He did explain why the post by killing made Grack think Killing is town. So there are some points in his favor. However his filter is _extremely_ short, there is almost no content in it. And here's another post that looks quite bad. He never followed up on this against me, didn't even bother asking me himself. He just threw that out there but apparently did not care at all about the results this would generate. He may be lazy and trolling but he may also be scum. For now I'd say I stick him at the bottom of my town->scum list and see if anyone drops below him before we start lynching Palmar Jat Slam boone Grack I still need to read these other people: Robik Dandel Templar rayn You killed VE just because he wasn't raging even though you said that all of the scummers were voting for him? And Robik kept arguing that he would lurk heavily if he was mafia in my last game when he was town so I assume he was probably telling the truth. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:26 Palmar wrote: His big post where he calls me/ve/dandel/boone scum is terrible too anyway. irony | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well now you know why i am frustrated. I made a big fucking case based on that post on D1, nobody (besides Dandel) gave a fuck. templar didn't even answer the case but OMGUSed me instead. nobody gave a fuck about that either. I answered what was answerable. The rest was fabricated/misinterpreted/assumed. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On March 10 2014 22:28 Palmar wrote: oh and then he has a new list of scum VE Dandelion Killing Austin and he voted you at some point. so 9 scum reads and counting. And slam too of course. In fact, everyone is scum in templarworld. yep, if you call someone scum you can't change your mind on them | ||
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