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JarJarDrinks
United States1302 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:40 Holyflare wrote: Well OK. Then he's null for me.i suggest you refrain from any and all pre-flip associations and just vote people on the merit of their scummyness But ya know, I hear people say this shit all the time. I don't know where this idea came from but I think it's dumb to not take every bit of information into account when voting. | ||
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Vivax
22106 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 27 2014 23:57 Aquanim wrote: Votecount Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (1) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (2) - Vivax (3) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! Suki is on here twice too. There is so much OMGUS circles this game: Gumshoe/JJD Toad/Geript Vivax/Wave Really need to consolidate with 8 hrs left. I surmise the 3 options will/should be: Myself, + Vivax/Geript | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I don't know so much about Vivax anymore. I looked through a bunch of his games and tried to find differences between his scum and town games. In his town games Titanic Mini, TL Mafia LXI, Basterd Mini I observed that he tended to just sort of comment on things he found suspicious, not really focusing on a single player, but then when he finds someone he thinks is scummy (Oats in Mafia LXI, Rayn in Basterd Mini), he gets really active and starts making big cases on that person and really pushing that lynch. In his mafia games, Roulette Mini, Doctor Who, TL Mafia LX, Fruity Mafia I observed that he tended to jump around a lot more and not really focus on one person. He also pressures and asks more questions rather than post reads. In his older scum games he did post a lot more one liners, but that's not as evident in his more recent scum games. There's also a tell that I found in 3 of 4 of his scum games that didn't show up here, which is kind of a mindset thing as well that I'm not seeing in Vivax's play. mmmm... One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. Same with his case on Wave, although I don't agree with it, this tunnel looks similar to his town games as well. ##unvote | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:49 Vivax wrote: JarJar since gumshoe is your person of suspicion you should be interested in WoS too based on the points I brought up about him. On February 27 2014 22:43 Mocsta wrote: I find this post curious. I asked my question in the first place because: The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town. Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument. | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
22106 Posts
On February 27 2014 22:51 Vivax wrote: The premise is that the post is scummy, Moc. I mentioned your and suki's possible alignments based on the premise that gum is scum, not the other way around. Reading comprehension is a good skill toi have Stop twisting what I said. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:51 suki wrote: This smells to me.Mmmm.. I don't know so much about Vivax anymore. I looked through a bunch of his games and tried to find differences between his scum and town games. In his town games Titanic Mini, TL Mafia LXI, Basterd Mini I observed that he tended to just sort of comment on things he found suspicious, not really focusing on a single player, but then when he finds someone he thinks is scummy (Oats in Mafia LXI, Rayn in Basterd Mini), he gets really active and starts making big cases on that person and really pushing that lynch. In his mafia games, Roulette Mini, Doctor Who, TL Mafia LX, Fruity Mafia I observed that he tended to jump around a lot more and not really focus on one person. He also pressures and asks more questions rather than post reads. In his older scum games he did post a lot more one liners, but that's not as evident in his more recent scum games. There's also a tell that I found in 3 of 4 of his scum games that didn't show up here, which is kind of a mindset thing as well that I'm not seeing in Vivax's play. mmmm... One of the main things that I disliked about Vivax's play was that he didn't seem like he was interested in scum hunting, particularly in the beginning of the game. I think that it's more consistent with his town meta. Same with his case on Wave, although I don't agree with it, this tunnel looks similar to his town games as well. ##unvote One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
I'm gonna fall back on TheChyz, I think he's the most scummy person so far. I don't feel good about Vivax or Mocsta lynches atm and I don't want a geript lynch today either because the only time I've played with people who have had a 'holier than thee' attitude towards me and basically ignored me or discredited me they have been town (VE in Normal mini, Palmar in Cultured). I think that it speaks of a townie sort of confidence. Anyways I'll be back tonight. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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geript
10024 Posts
Here's the summary poitns: 1. Follows thread sentiment which is what he does as scum (see Shadow). Like he makes little points here and about people as the thread is bringing them up in the middle of his posts about me. 2. Really weird interactions with "#2 scumread Holy"; like he doesn't ever really address him as scum. He has these little pokes but never follows up on it and is willing to completely trust the Rayn townread on Holy. Like he never really addresses why he thinks Holy is scum in any sort of way and never seems to read his filter. More importantly, he looks to be reading people based only on whether or not they agree with me as scum, but it's not like Holy or Moc haven't at least looked at me hard. 3. Like somehow he ends up with Me/HF/Mocsta scum which is really weird because like those are the people he's interacted a bunch with me and there's no real thread sentiment on but there's no real follow through on them whatsoever. Then as things shift one way or another towards one way or another, he's more willing to post on them. 4. His townreads are completely weird. Suki, Vivax and Gumshoe and JJD. Like there's no real comment on them whatsoever; more importantly when they've been brought up or their points have been brought up he's been mostly silent on them (other than Toad throwing shit on Suki in the middle of a big post on me). 5. On February 27 2014 02:10 Toadesstern wrote: someone I'd be much happier to read after geript has flipt red. He goes along with my thoughprocess in this whole discussion about geript which is obviously something I like. He therefore ends up voting geript as well. His "defence" on me is somewhat weird so. Like mocsta is someone who's clearly still somewhat suspicious about me but he's clear about it. And then there's other people going the other way who are very clear about it like rayn. I don't like people implying I'm townish without outright saying it basicly, which is the only beef I've got with him right now. And I'm certainly not going to vote the guy who's the only other guy voting geript with me This post is really bad. Like Mocsta who ends up as one of his scumreads he's both really friendly with and is willing to look at later after I flip. Like it's really really scummy. Like there's no real sense in anything he posts; there's no consistent viewpoint of how he's going to read anything. It's just complete gibberish. | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Mocsta (2) - geript (1) - TheChyz (1) - Toadesstern (1) - JarJarDrinks (1) - gumshoe (1) - WaveofShadow (0) - suki (1) - Vivax (2) - WaveofShadow, Not Voting - Ange777, Cavalinho Vivax is currently set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in . If any votes are missing or incorrect please let us know! | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:55 Vivax wrote: Stop twisting what I said. .... (1) You are calling gumshoe scum (2) You are stating scum would be compelled to intervene (as gumshoe did) if the argument between moc/suki was town vs town (1) + (2) equivocate to me being a town read -- which you later deny. | ||
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suki
Canada1159 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:56 Mocsta wrote: This smells to me. One, its great you listed a compendium of resources BUT vivax has been inactive for a long time. Thats like us using ya 2012 newbie to judge your play. Vivax has a recent town game, GSL, and even though its hydra it was admitted in the thread that him + kush were not that active/engaged in PM so its a fair indication of his current town play. Two, the timing looks opportune. At least others are stating that they found the cases weak. You on the other hand are using unsubstantiated meta to counter cases you previously thought were strong. You might find that hypocritical of me to say, but then, I am not the one selling myself as a analytical re-read player either. Hm I didn't take into account the dates of the games. And I don't know what you mean by opportune, I woke up, thought Vivax was suspicious and looked into him and decided he wasn't. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:57 suki wrote: ??Ugh.. I've got class today again, and I'm not sure how long it will go for so I might not be around for the deadline. However!!! this weekend I'll have plenty of time to post and read and stuff. I'm gonna fall back on TheChyz, I think he's the most scummy person so far. I don't feel good about Vivax or Mocsta lynches atm and I don't want a geript lynch today either because the only time I've played with people who have had a holier than thee' attitude towards me and basically ignored me or discredited me they have been town (VE in Normal mini, Palmar in Cultured). I think that it speaks of a townie sort of confidence. Anyways I'll be back tonight. ##vote TheChyz | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:59 suki wrote: Opportune: Jumped on Vivax because case was good and thread sentiment prediction.Hm I didn't take into account the dates of the games. And I don't know what you mean by opportune, I woke up, thought Vivax was suspicious and looked into him and decided he wasn't. Now that a few have stymied the Vivax train -- with no specifics, its an easy retract. | ||
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Vivax
22106 Posts
On February 28 2014 00:59 Mocsta wrote: .... (1) You are calling gumshoe scum (2) You are stating scum would be compelled to intervene (as gumshoe did) if the argument between moc/suki was town vs town (1) + (2) equivocate to me being a town read -- which you later deny. Of course I deny it, I'm not going to give you autotownread only cause I thought gumshoe was scummy. If I give you a townread it's cause of your play, not cause I find a guy scummy who picks your side in an argument. I mentioned that gumshoe's way of intervening there is likely to come from a scum in a situation where you two are town, since he feels like he has to townread you before going on with what he found suspicious about suki (cause he felt it would appear unjustified if he simply attacked suki without giving a verdict on you, he took sides clearly). That's the deal with the two of you being fighting townies. It was simply the version where I found gumshoe most likely to write that, and nowhere does it imply that based on my gumshoe stuff I have to townread you. However I have added that there's also the possibility that suki was scum, cause I thought it unlikely that a scum gum would immediately take Mocsta's side in his argument, and cause he offered suki the easy way out at the end of his post. But I can be wrong on this one cause I don't know how bussy of a scum player he would be, at the moment I was starting from the premise that scum don't defend each other, which might be wrong. So yeah, that's the whole reasoning behind the post, and what WoS called an "interesting perspective". | ||
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Vivax
22106 Posts
Although I doubt you will cause you're not figuring me out, you've been flinging shit at me since you found the opportunity to jump on my wagon. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
1. WaveofShadow (filter) 2. Holyflare (filter) - Hes asking good questions, I've gotten over my butthurt he thinks im scum. 3. gumshoe (filter) 4. Ange777 (filter) - Was pretty clear from her first catch up post she would tend to voting me, but overall I liked the posts. Seems to be trying to piece things together. 5. Toadesstern (filter) Too dumb to be scum + was pretty jovial at the start 6. Cavalinho (filter) Too inactive for my liking. May be easier to read him post-flips. 7. JarJarDrinks (filter) - Atm, I am a scums wet dream. They WOULD NOT flip flop on me like JJD did. + admiting to the pre-flip alignments so brazenly. I find that unlikely for scum. 8. TheChyz (filter) - I dunno if hes played scum, but i gave his town NM1 game a half decent read. Changed my mind on him. 9. suki (filter) - Read through her scum game in NM1 again today and thought quite decently of her (i.e. I find her scum cases to be fixated on flawed logic/feels as opposed to scum hunting).. however, this vivax unvote to Chz is enough to make me drop her back to null. 10. raynpelikoneet (filter) If town and hes genuinely agitated by this "claim" I still dont expect him to act like this. i dunno.. hse annoying me on a personal level which is affecting my read. I liked a lot of his non-mocsta posts recently, so will stick with greee. 11. Mocsta (filter) 12. Vivax (filter) - Is more happy to banter with anyone present then progress his scum reads. 13. Geript (filter) Too many illogical thought processes. Keeps of taking, but doesnt give back. Its difficult to express my distaste without a filter dive; but I get the feelings hes hamming up a destructive meta. I think he even alluded to this early game when I said as scum I like to infiiltrate town, and he said, not everyone is like that. I also really dislike he didnt town read me for moclogic. (a town Geript trademark) I dunno why I feel so strong about quite a few ppl being town, but yeah, thats where I am currently. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 28 2014 01:13 Vivax wrote: There moc, I rehashed the whole argument just so you would be able to digest it. Although I doubt you will cause you're not figuring me out, you've been flinging shit at me since you found the opportunity to jump on my wagon. Again, this is exactly how I responded to Kush. Nice moves Vivax. | ||
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Vivax
22106 Posts
Premise: gumshoe scum. Sees suki and moc calling each other scum. Thinks suki can look scummy. Doesn't simply say that suki is scummy for having "crafted" posts, like I would have expected if he was town. Sees that the two are having a debate. Townreads Moc cause he feels like he has to pick a side in the argument in order to attack suki. <- what I found scummy Why would he feel that way as scum? Cause he needs to keep his story straight, and thinks he would look scummy attacking suki without showing trust in the guy attacking her previously. He was already expecting the question: "But gum if you think suki is scummy, then what do you think of mocsta? They have been fighting after all." <- Which is the scummy mindset I imagined behind that post. Which explains the insecurity in that post. And while picking a side he really didn't cause he immediately offered suki the explanation for her behaviour from a town point of view, which is more evidence of scared posting. Now which are the most likely of Moc's and suki's alignments if a scum gumshoe felt that way? At the time I thought that it's a way in which scum would approach two fighting townies, but didn't discard that suki could be scum based on the premise that scum feels safer while bussing (and hence prefers to pick the townies side in an argument). Right or wrong, that's all my reasoning on that post. And repeating it makes me want to lynch gumshoe again althought his meta looks different from last scumgame. | ||
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