On February 27 2014 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fine, Mocsta is modconfirmed town, i have made my decision. If Mocsta is mafia this game is invalid. Thank you for ruining the game Mocsta. ##unvote
I'll look into other people tomorrow. Good night.
(it's really only 20 seconds)
So yeah I don't see a reason why I shouldn't be voting Mocsta or geript right now.
I'll look into vivax and suki like I said yesterday but all this came up first and I'm out with my dog now... sooo see you in 2 hours or so.
If you don't want to vote Mocsta for whatever a bullshit reason you might have, I'd be very much delighted to get geript lynched instead rayn.
I don't get it Toad (that video and what it has to do with me, but funny nontheless). Besides, do you understand the rayn thingy? I still don't comprehend how Mocsta is supposed to be modconfirmed.
On February 28 2014 00:18 Vivax wrote: I don't get it Toad (that video and what it has to do with me, but funny nontheless). Besides, do you understand the rayn thingy? I still don't comprehend how Mocsta is supposed to be modconfirmed.
That game I wanted to be aggressive and use myself as lynch bait to try to find scum. I won't mention what my plan is this game but you can probably realize its not the exact same.
Thats Chz as town, for me, his filter here and there is markedly different.
Agree?
I don't think it's as different as you make it out to be. He does have 2 pages in day 1 here though whereas he had 4 on day 3 in that game :D
Besides, don't base everything on dem meta's because what he's done this game is questionable anyway.
I find it completely different because in the town game he shows an inquisitive mindset and even from a skim its clear he has his own thoughts on the game.,
Look with suki, there sa massive change in style between shadow and shadow reboot. Just overall light heartedness.
From glancing over the town n scum games; personally i still think she is town; HOWEVER, I also have noticed that after the first 24hrs or so she tends to produce analytical posts. I suggest this will be the best way to get an accurate read on her.
Unfortunately its highly possible she will bandwagon Chz (which is relatively legitimate as either alginment) so I am not actually sure how much weight to give that.
meh. bored now.
What makes you believe she will bandwagon Chz? Just because she made that comment before she left? She had you as her #1 scum read.
On February 26 2014 22:23 Toadesstern wrote: wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote: @moc Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.
As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.
Red Herring or something to keep note of?
Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn.
Something JJD said reminded me of something:
On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote: Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that. If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer?
In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options.
I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy.
So...
in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town.
Congratz JJD.
Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness.
At the very least this is worth some talking
So if this isn't the scum slip, can someone please explain it?
On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote: The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy.
Apologies if this has been asked already.
Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"?
@Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type.
Geript, I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent???
Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad.
Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. [b/##unvote ##vote toadescum
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To be honest, I am still not sure about Toad-geript. I'll have to reread their conversation but right now I can't understand the scum reads they gave each other.
On February 26 2014 22:34 Mocsta wrote: JJd, since you are here.
Thoughts on Chz and Suki pls.
(Regarding Suki, i get you think she was carefree at the start, but what about overall)
Why are you so fixated on suki? She is supposedly a town read for you but I don't see you talking about your other scum reads rayn and Holyflare.
On February 27 2014 00:34 Toadesstern wrote: Best of geript
1) My townread on Rayn makes no sense It makes an awful lot of sense. There's 3 reasons for stating rayn is town in that situation, 1 being a minor one, 2 being big ones.
Rayn does not use the situation to call me a retard. That's the minor one but it's a reasonable guess to assume rayn would do so. Mafia like to call out people, they're actively searching for shit people are doing and yes, calling for people to claim miller in a set-up with no selfaware millers would be such a situation
Rayn opting to call me town is a route that dips any confusion and chaos right in the bucket. He could be sitting there, laughing about how I misunderstood the OP and not say a word, watching as town falls into chaos because of that. Going out and telling people I'm town clears confusion 100%. That's a major townread.
There is absolutely no reason for Rayn to call me town if he's mafia. Zero. If he's mafia he is just fine giving me a strange look without following up with a townread on me. He would be perfectly fine to just come back later, tell people he knew about it all along, as can be seen by his posts and said he though I'm being an idiot. There's literally no reason whatsoever for a mafia-rayn to call me town in that situation. That's another major townread.
A mafia rayn calling you town would make you read him as town. Wouldn't that be a major reason for him?
On February 27 2014 00:53 geript wrote: Toad confirmed liar. Miller thing was trolly and he fucking knows it. His reads for calling Rayn town a fraking stupid; not wonky or weird enough to be towny. Just completely made up and not alignment indicative for anyone let alone Rayn. Third, he's completely taking things out of context and not even trying to understand how you can get a townie response from Rayn while the miller thing on his half is completely null. Anyone who can't see this needs to go back to the newbies for a year. It's completely fucking obvious.
Ok, I think I got it now. Geript fails to understand how Toad can give rayn a town read which makes Toad scum whch in turn makes Toad think geript is scum? Somehow I think both their cases are just horrible. I think Toad was too focused in his beliefs that he didn't see another possibility and the same applies to geript. I don't see how anyone would be willing to lynch them based on this (Page 38) so maybe use your passion to find other possble scum players?
On February 27 2014 05:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: Les Mafia indicates JJD is town this game.
On February 28 2014 00:18 Vivax wrote: I don't get it Toad (that video and what it has to do with me, but funny nontheless). Besides, do you understand the rayn thingy? I still don't comprehend how Mocsta is supposed to be modconfirmed.
I am actually considering him to be confirmed mafia because of it and rayn is being wrong on it.
On February 28 2014 00:18 Mocsta wrote: Toad, Why are you fixated on getting the support of Rayn.
Everytime you keep raising this issue (that everyone else has said is not an issue) you bring up Rayn.
This is growing tiresome.
Rayn and WoS are the two people I have the biggest townreads on, so yeah I tend to try and convince them more than other people. Rayn happened to be around, WoS not really, timezones are a bitch.
On February 28 2014 00:20 Holyflare wrote: toad... what....? how have i now dropped off your list
read my posts. I told you yesterday I'm not reading you for todays lynched and I'm on either geript of Mocsta so yeah, hasn't really changed.
That game I wanted to be aggressive and use myself as lynch bait to try to find scum. I won't mention what my plan is this game but you can probably realize its not the exact same.
You're actually looking better to me after reading that filter and comparing to here.
I just found it peculiar in that game you only had 2 posts in a 4 page filter that contained quotes, compared to this game hence the question. Where do you stand with JJD, Vivax, Cavalinho.
On February 28 2014 00:18 Vivax wrote: I don't get it Toad (that video and what it has to do with me, but funny nontheless). Besides, do you understand the rayn thingy? I still don't comprehend how Mocsta is supposed to be modconfirmed.
I am actually considering him to be confirmed mafia because of it and rayn is being wrong on it.
On February 28 2014 00:18 Mocsta wrote: Toad, Why are you fixated on getting the support of Rayn.
Everytime you keep raising this issue (that everyone else has said is not an issue) you bring up Rayn.
This is growing tiresome.
Rayn and WoS are the two people I have the biggest townreads on, so yeah I tend to try and convince them more than other people. Rayn happened to be around, WoS not really, timezones are a bitch.
On February 28 2014 00:09 Mocsta wrote: I was wondering whetherh you disappeared or chose to ignore my comment about Thrawn/Shoe. Guess its the latter
Sorry, Didn't really see that as a question @ first
On February 27 2014 23:16 Mocsta wrote: I think the real question should be whether scum gumshoe has any value to insert me as a town read at that point in time. You could argue he used me as a platform to leap onto Suki, but did this really go anywhere?
Well my answer u probably wont like because it involves pre-flip association but here goes:
I'm starting to suspect that suki may be GSs scumbuddy. It would explain why Gumshoe is trying to paint me in such a bad light for giving her a townread. It also explains his entry into the thead.
Like Maybe he sees you jump on her for her posting style and he's all like "Fuck, she's caught already. Lemme go bus a little to try to get something out of this." Like I already pointed out (and you sorta agreed to), your case wasnt very good. And also as you said, nothing seemed to come of it. He threw a vote on her when no one else was voting her and took it off pretty quickly.
I'm leaving for school in a few minutes (won't be back till an hour b4 deadline, but will try to post some from school) so I can't really go indepth on them too much. I currently stand with JJD as a null. Cavalinho I have as slightly town. i have posted very little but compared to him its like 3 times as much which is concerning, however the arguments he has made I can usually understand the flow of logic and that makes me feel like he is town. Vivax would probably be my vote if geript wasn't in this game. Maybe tied with suki but I would have to reread his and her filter closer to see exactly who I prefer.
oh ange when you read this far, when I said "scum slip" on mocsta it was a semi-jokey/accusatory "scum slip" because he said town don't make posts like that to wave and then he made a post like that so by his own definition he wouldn't be town but yes carry on
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote: JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.
im keen to hear a bit more about this one.
I don't think any of the cases against him are all that strong. The reason I'm leaning town as opposed to null is because him being scum doesn't mesh all that well w/ gumshoe as his scumbuddy.
On February 28 2014 00:09 Vivax wrote: JarJar what's your take on me? I'm a more likely candidate than gum atm.
I'd say I'm null on you. Maybe leaning slightly town.
im keen to hear a bit more about this one.
I don't think any of the cases against him are all that strong. The reason I'm leaning town as opposed to null is because him being scum doesn't mesh all that well w/ gumshoe as his scumbuddy.
i suggest you refrain from any and all pre-flip associations and just vote people on the merit of their scummyness
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