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Rayn put your vote off of me, you're better than that.
On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.
Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightestGumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Scum slip? Are you now copying your early case on DP from vengeful? You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that! Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though. ##Vote: gumshoe
This vote doesn't make any sense, unless WoS explains exactly what made him suspicious of gumshoe at the time, cause the explanation is lacking in his filter. He only says gum should deliver a not meta explanation.
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On February 27 2014 22:20 Vivax wrote:
If his meta wasn't so different from GSL I'd be still thinking that gum is scum.
The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong.
Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail.
Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting. Why is this being pointed as a note of relevance?
Are you suggesting town can not be serious early game?
Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote:February 26 2014 09:49 WaveofShadow wrote: On February 26 2014 09:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I coached Cavalinho in the last (ongoing) newbie game so no explanations yet. Cool beans, alright. Suki town 'cause feels. The rest of you, why aren't you as good at proving yourselves as her? Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious. Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:05 Mocsta wrote:
Rayn
Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already? How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion. Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime.
I love the colourful language "illusion"
Nice loaded question, Vivax
Wave made a post prior calling out a scumslip from a previous game, and applying it to me.
Maybe it was in jest, maybe it wasnt.
I was trying to get Rayn involved in the game, and asked his opinion.
Its funny how you are trying to justify by position by querying anything that sticks out to you as pounce-able. An extremely scum mindset approach to the game indeed.
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ninja'd me wave. indeed you did.
Much like my question to Geript (about you), I used that post towards Rayn.
Frankly, I was suspect of you at that time (for defending Suki), so the question was a win-win for me.
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So you thought Wave scumread you cause of [/B]?
Way to make the game confusing.
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On February 27 2014 22:31 Mocsta wrote:
ninja'd me wave. indeed you did.
Much like my question to Geript (about you), I used that post towards Rayn.
Frankly, I was suspect of you at that time (for defending Suki), so the question was a win-win for me.
Except I seem to also remember you simply backing down, saying:
On February 26 2014 10:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia. This is correct, my bad.
Why no mention of the 'implied' scum in that post earlier? Surely you could have said it was because of that post? (It was jest in the end I suppose, btw.)
On February 27 2014 22:29 Vivax wrote:Rayn put your vote off of me, you're better than that. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.
Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightestGumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Scum slip? Are you now copying your early case on DP from vengeful? You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that! Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though. ##Vote: gumshoe This vote doesn't make any sense, unless WoS explains exactly what made him suspicious of gumshoe at the time, cause the explanation is lacking in his filter. He only says gum should deliver a not meta explanation.
Explanation: thought he looked scummy, voted him.
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On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? What I don't like about this post is that he can't simply say what he thinks about suki, but feels like has to put a Mocsta townread in front of it. That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. Explanation: Gumshoe feels that he can't attack suki without supporting Moc cause he thinks that he would look like his lacking suspicion of Mocsta was unjustified. Like, in a hypothetical town vs town argument as scum you would think that you can't attack one townie without clearing the other. Moreover you can see that the part about Mocsta could be construed (in best-case scenario, ie gum town) as a justification for sheeping him ("but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit"), but gumshoe doesn't exactly use Mocsta's arguments (tryhard looking posts, "why-not-vote-for-me-question") and brings his own, which strengthens the overjustification version of events. The last bit with the nostalgia is either overanalyzing (if town) or making stuff up (if scum), so I think it should be disregarded entirely for now (@ geript)._____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Nitpicking from this case is strictly forbidden, either you address all points and give a conclusive opinion or your remarks will be ignored. Vivax,
what is the meaning of @geript?
Is it related to:
On February 26 2014 14:13 Vivax wrote:
I'm impressed by the high post count just within 5 hours, currently just skimmed to see if geript has posted his townie seal. He hasn't. He's scum. Now back to reading.
i.e. you are recanting the scum read?
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What made you think he looked scummy, wave. That's the point of the question. Was it his post about Moc and suki, or the followup?
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On February 27 2014 22:35 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 22:31 Mocsta wrote:
ninja'd me wave. indeed you did.
Much like my question to Geript (about you), I used that post towards Rayn.
Frankly, I was suspect of you at that time (for defending Suki), so the question was a win-win for me. Except I seem to also remember you simply backing down, saying: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:51 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 10:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta i don't see where Wave implies you are mafia. This is correct, my bad. Why no mention of the 'implied' scum in that post earlier? Surely you could have said it was because of that post? (It was jest in the end I suppose, btw.) Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 22:29 Vivax wrote:Rayn put your vote off of me, you're better than that. On February 26 2014 11:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:40 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 11:37 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing.
Which is.
Crating an atmosphere of intimidation
If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightestGumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
[quote]Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.
As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.
Red Herring or something to keep note of?
Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Scum slip? Are you now copying your early case on DP from vengeful? You criticise Wave for saying some silly nonsense and saying if you're town why do that because it doesn't solve gumshoe's alignment or anything. Yet, same page of filter here you are saying nonsense to JJD who is bringing up points on other players. By your own reasoning townies shouldn't do that so why the change of heart so soon? Or are you sticking to what you said? "TOWN" don't do that! Hypocrisy doesn't necessarily come from scum, you know that. I do want to hear Mocsta's response though. ##Vote: gumshoe This vote doesn't make any sense, unless WoS explains exactly what made him suspicious of gumshoe at the time, cause the explanation is lacking in his filter. He only says gum should deliver a not meta explanation. Explanation: thought he looked scummy, voted him.
Yeah, i thought there was more posts than just that one.
When i went looking for it and saw it, i realised it could have been in jest.
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On February 27 2014 22:34 Vivax wrote:
So you thought Wave scumread you cause of ?
Way to make the game confusing. [/B]
no
</b>
In PYP, i posted twice where i bolded using <b>
Rayn called me out for it, but somehow it got dropped lol
Ahh, the funsies
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On February 27 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote:
What made you think he looked scummy, wave. That's the point of the question. Was it his post about Moc and suki, or the followup?
Was a buildup. Eventually I saw enough that I felt like voting him.
Right off the bat I found him suspicious, you can see it in my filter.
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I don't remember the @ geript thing, but in retrospect I think I wanted to direct it at you actually. Cause you called that stuff marketing crap.
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On February 27 2014 22:40 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote:
What made you think he looked scummy, wave. That's the point of the question. Was it his post about Moc and suki, or the followup? Was a buildup. Eventually I saw enough that I felt like voting him. Right off the bat I found him suspicious, you can see it in my filter.
Dude, you keep not saying anything.
If you found him suspicious, there must have been a reason. What was the reason? Don't say feels.
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On February 26 2014 17:19 Vivax wrote:MocstaNot yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. *snip* I find this post curious.
I asked my question in the first place because:
On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:<About Gumshoe> That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1.
The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town.
Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too.
Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument.
WoS, i cant remember ya case; did you touch on this stuff?
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On February 27 2014 22:42 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 22:40 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 27 2014 22:37 Vivax wrote:
What made you think he looked scummy, wave. That's the point of the question. Was it his post about Moc and suki, or the followup? Was a buildup. Eventually I saw enough that I felt like voting him. Right off the bat I found him suspicious, you can see it in my filter. Dude, you keep not saying anything. If you found him suspicious, there must have been a reason. What was the reason? Don't say feels.
On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing. Which is. Crating an atmosphere of intimidation If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? Just establishing my dominance, honey. Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy.
On February 26 2014 10:33 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:29 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:19 Mocsta wrote:On thi 26 2014 10:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
Gumshoe just tell me now.
Am I going to have to policy lynch you for lurking this game? If u r town I don't like at all what our doing. Which is. Crating an atmosphere of intimidation If u think otherwise, surely you can admit that the above is not conducive to gleaning the alignment of gumshoe in the slightest Gumshoe post was very reasonable and called me town for the right reasons. Did u read a thing he wrote? Just establishing my dominance, honey. Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment. I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. That depends entirely on you people : P yall have to be worth my time. Also my lurking has nothing to do with my alignment, I lurk and play as scum or town, you asking wether or not I will adds nothing to the great discussion. Both you and Mocsta assume I was asking you to try to help me figure out your alignment. You even say it after I already TOLD Mocsta it was simply to find out whether you were going to play or not this time around. Any particular reason you find it necessary to repeat? Holyflare, I like to live on the edge. Let's volcano it up. Will anyone else be joining us on our journey? That road looks mighty empty.
On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little.
On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options.
Bunch of posts I didn't like.
Eventually I decided I just felt like voting him.
You appear to be basing my vote on the post where I say I want to see something more from him.
You can call the vote whatever you like I suppose, pressure to make him post something non-meta-y, feels, a bunch of bad posts and all of I sudden I just realized I should vote him...but in the end it doesn't really matter to me what you think of that gumshoe vote.
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The premise is that the post is scummy, Moc. I mentioned your and suki's possible alignments based on the premise that gum is scum, not the other way around.
Reading comprehension is a good skill toi have
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On February 27 2014 22:43 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 17:19 Vivax wrote:Mocsta
Vivax
Does this mean you think I am town?
Not yet, but it's the scenario where a scum gumshoe is most likely to act that way imo. There's always the chance that suki is also scum (and gum picks your side and throws some soft suspicion onto suki to gain cred). I don't think that a scum gumshoe would act that way if you were scum though. *snip* I find this post curious. I asked my question in the first place because: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 16:18 Vivax wrote:<About Gumshoe> That reads to me like he feels pressured to overjustify for picking a side in the debate, which is something I could see scum doing in a town vs. town argument, after all you're always painfully aware that what you say just isn't right, so you need to create a story. And this looks like a story, the story of how you think suki could be scum ONLY after thinking that mocsta is town, which is something I don't see townies do at D1. The entire premise of Vivax argument is based on Suki + Mocsta = town. Yet when queried about me being town I get "Not yet" with some nice doors opening to move onto Suki too. Which again conquers his gumshoe is scum argument. WoS, i cant remember ya case; did you touch on this stuff?
I did not.
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Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
And later you say
In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.)
Town should always be considering all options.
Which I already addressed earlier stating that gumshoe actually did consider all options, which you say is townie, and I say is scummy cause of the way he did it.
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On February 27 2014 02:53 Vivax wrote:Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game. You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way, and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe  Oh well back to lurking.
I remember WoS touched on this. But I want to reemphasise how significant this post is towards a scum mindset.
(1)
Jeez why couldn't I roll scum in this game.
Starts by belittling all the players as this infers everyone is playing terrible that scum can win ezpz
(Town often do this when trying to shit on a specific player -- which is not what happened here)
(2)
You guys are all so busy with fighting each other in such an unproductive way
Then identifies the issue with existing town atmosphere
(3)
and nobody called me out for not doing anything since I posted those points on gumshoe If the gumshoe read is solid, why would you call him out for noncontributing?
This demonstrates a clear lack of conviction towards gumshoe.
Further, point (2) suggests it would have been productive if town was questioning Vivax (and not his read Gumshoe).
I can not correlate this mindset with that of a townie in any way, shape or form.
(4)
Oh well back to lurking.
Hes admitting that unless called out, he has nothing he wants to input on.
So why make this place in the first place... its basically a "I'm still alive guys" post. Nothing more, nothing less.
Then you have the stuff that is missing:
i.e.
Gives zero direction on how to improve the situation
Gives zero effort to campaign gumshoe further
Gives zero deduction on whether the players fighting each other are town-town; town-scum; scum-scum
Again, I can not correlate this mindset with that of a townie in any way, shape or form.
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Especially because of the first quote I'm not buying your suspicion of gumshoe, and the way you abandoned your vote on him so easily, and how you didn't poke him when he said he had stuff he didn't want to share at the moment, and and and
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On February 27 2014 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:50 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like wtf is this supposed to mean otherwise? Not that it matters but I did the same thing this game Asked bh to roll town, what else? Yes and he either got it which modconfirms him as town or he didn't which makes him scum. Anyways the statement is out game information and totally BS.
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On February 24 2014 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I actually just send in a request for hosts to deny any possibly requests from anyone else. I want a fair chance to roll whatever just like anyone else.
Mocsta confirmed mafia. Lynch.
I am not going to lynch anyone besides Mocsta or geript today.
##vote Mocsta
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