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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 07:55 GMT
#1221
I thought you thought i was town ages ago.
Anyways i am not interested in your alignment or what you think because i don't care.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 27 2014 07:55 GMT
#1222
On February 27 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also remember a quite recent game where you did the exact same thing to Blazinghand and congratulations he was town and it got you both killed. So not a good plan anyways.

No the difference was that in Aperture 2 I had the ability to kill whoever I wanted. I didn't give a fuck what anyone else thought or read about it. I had a really good read on Alakaslam that no one listened to in that game either; for the record, I just figured he'd be lynched super early regardless for being obv scum.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 27 2014 07:56 GMT
#1223
On February 27 2014 16:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also remember a quite recent game where you did the exact same thing to Blazinghand and congratulations he was town and it got you both killed. So not a good plan anyways.

Fine. Who do you want me to look at then?
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 07:59 GMT
#1224
Vivax.

Btw i also think you are modconfirmed town, despite me thinking you were town earlier.
Hosts should never interact with the game in any way and while your modconfirmation is most likely crap there is a chance it's not because it makes sense. So from now on i will make a policy that i refuse to believe anyone who get's "modconfirmed" by stupid hosts or does BS shit like Mocsta is town and if it ruins the game so be it because it's not my fault.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 08:00 GMT
#1225
EBWOP: I refuse to believe anyone who [....] is scum..
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 27 2014 08:06 GMT
#1226
On February 27 2014 16:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax.

Btw i also think you are modconfirmed town, despite me thinking you were town earlier.
Hosts should never interact with the game in any way and while your modconfirmation is most likely crap there is a chance it's not because it makes sense. So from now on i will make a policy that i refuse to believe anyone who get's "modconfirmed" by stupid hosts or does BS shit like Mocsta is town and if it ruins the game so be it because it's not my fault.

Nope not going to do it. I have a townread on him and I refuse to read any more shazazzly cases on him.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 08:18 GMT
#1227
Well then we are not going to agree today. Vivax and suki are the only people i currently view as possible mafia.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 27 2014 08:22 GMT
#1228
On February 27 2014 16:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And that's why noone believes you. You are not going to convince me with your case. You never talk to Toad about anything else than the crap from the beginning, you just rehash the old point noone believes over and over again and say "i know this guy is mafia". I said it before and i say it again, if you don't have more i will not believe you.

Like here's the beef Rayn, like I'm here rereading Vivax despite the fact that I think he's town. Despite the fact that I don't really like the cases on him. Despite the fact that no ones even fucking to bother to read Toad. You think I'm town, hell you even agree I'm mod confirmed. Sweet. But like, you scratch my back I scratch yours dude.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 08:25 GMT
#1229
Except that i did reread Toad. One minor possibly scummy thing.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 08:31 GMT
#1230
On February 27 2014 06:21 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2014 11:25 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:
On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss?
Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released.

As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play.

Red Herring or something to keep note of?

Well this is a bad post.

Are you going to tell me now that all our IRC conversations about Toad were lies?

In my opinion, if you are town, and you dont respect a players ability as town you tend to avoid reading their alignment (e.g. Slam)

Early game you are chasing ppl you feel confident about reading that can help you.

Frankly, the reason I asked your opinion on wave was because I thought we could be useful together if you are town since we just played scum together.
Given that decision I took, it is indeed odd to me you did the same but with Toad.


In case anyone wonders because I've been mostly spending my time on geript and didn't get to explain more in detail. The above is one of the main reasons I don't like mocsta atm.

This post makes very little sense from a town PoV imo. Okay I get that Rayn doesn't respect my townplay and I would have guessed so. Now I don't know what those irc talks are about but telling him to ignore me is just bullshit. Rayn doesn't respect my townplay, no shit sherlock, if he did he'd be voting geript right now...
But not respecting my townplay doesn't mean he should just toss me in a corner and not try to read me. That's one of the most anti-town idea's I've ever read.

I can actually say the feeling's quite mutual and I think rayn is aware of that. I am sure he knows I'm taking digs at him for being wrong A LOT in... I always forget the name... the parity cop game I already referenced. Still I do end up with a read on him and Mocsta isn't holding that against me.

The reason that's a yellow and not an orange in my sheet is because I have no idea what thse irc talks were like but anyways, don't like that sentiment.

On February 27 2014 09:03 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah. I've got geript, Holy and Mocsta as red/orange/yellow in that order. If I ignore Holy for because of mysterious meta reasons the only people I'm left with are Ange and gumshoe as replacements.
gumshoe technically speaking a green on my list but the weakest of them all.
Ange still neutral for obvious reasons.

green: Toad does not respect my town play -> i often have crap reads in his opinion
red: but he trusts my meta-read on Holyflare enough to ignore his scum suspect

These two don't go together very well.
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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
February 27 2014 08:38 GMT
#1231
Interested sting observation

Can u pls confirm that toad is referring to the mysterious meta via post you made??
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 08:42 GMT
#1232
Well idk, this set of posts pretty much implies so:
On February 27 2014 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Shit i think i have cracked Holyflare's meta completely.


On February 27 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw i guarantee everyone Holyflare is town.
You may call me the worst mafia player ever if he is mafia in this game.

On February 27 2014 08:01 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw i guarantee everyone Holyflare is town.
You may call me the worst mafia player ever if he is mafia in this game.

Deal.
What do I have to say / what are you allowed to call me if he's town?

Geript and Mocsta more scummy but bottom 3 is still too good odds to let this slip.

On February 27 2014 08:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 08:01 Toadesstern wrote:
On February 27 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw i guarantee everyone Holyflare is town.
You may call me the worst mafia player ever if he is mafia in this game.

Deal.
What do I have to say / what are you allowed to call me if he's town?

Geript and Mocsta more scummy but bottom 3 is still too good odds to let this slip.

Well we already know you are the worst mafia player ever soo...
j/k, idk, i don't care, i just know he is town for reasons i will not elaborate on.

idk if someone else has a "mysterious meta-read" on Holyflare.
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geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 27 2014 08:51 GMT
#1233
That's a good catch, but I agree it's not really strong either direction. I'll try to explain it more tomorrow.

As for Vivax the only really good point Wave made was on the "towny getting to the bottom of an issue" thing.

On February 27 2014 05:39 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 05:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Fucking school internet
Vivax difference between you and me is I haven't looked into chyz yet but I want to, as it is relevant to thread interest right now. I don't take a stance on him yet because it doesn't make sense for me to have one before reading. You give a read based on.....? And then refuse to elaborate further.

Those two things are most certainly not the same thing.


Can you explain to me how you can find me suspicious for not-scumreading a guy you didn't even look into yet?

You want to hear reasons for him being something when you don't even know what he wrote?
What would you do with these reasons when you didn't even reach any own conclusions you could compare the information with?

But you're suspicious cause I give reasons for not talking about my read on him when you give out reads for "feels"?

##Vote WaveOfShadow

This post struck out to me as a real emotional disconnect. Not in the sense that he's faking rage or anything but it's really weird to go from the last statement here directly into a case. Withholding reads is usually viewed as weird and scummy. Vivax isn't like "get over it, not going to happen" but he's also not in any way trying to counter pressure to see why Wave doesn't get that.
His post not even caring about my super town read on his scum suspect is weird but not so sure it's scummy.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9389 Posts
February 27 2014 08:54 GMT
#1234
Who ah.....

If its a good catch, how is it null?

The direct implication of a goof catch is that its meaningful....
Co side ring this is your primary scumspect, I find the response weird
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 27 2014 09:02 GMT
#1235
Rayn here's a hint for tomorrow. Control f through Toads filter in relation to his reads post. Like just really disregard me and the read on me at all. Instead look at the tangential people, suki, Vivax, etc. like there's nothing ever said about them. Conversely, look at his scum targets and the post you quoted where gumshoe jumps his null reads for next to lynch. Like the jump doesn't make any sense. Like his Vivax read is complete bs. Like once he decides Moc/HF are his #2 suspects then they get all the time despite not adding anything realistic to the conversation about them. Even his post about after I flip red he'll look at chyz is like super scummy. Like, it's not just the miller trolly Rayn counter read thing only.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 27 2014 09:05 GMT
#1236
On February 27 2014 17:54 Mocsta wrote:
Who ah.....

If its a good catch, how is it null?

The direct implication of a goof catch is that its meaningful....
Co side ring this is your primary scumspect, I find the response weird

Partially because it's D1 so town is more likely to flex to trust a solid townread's opinion. Partially because I can see scenarios from both perspectives that would get him both remembering the meta read and ignoring it for the time being.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 09:14 GMT
#1237
I have absolutely no idea what Toad does as town and to be honest i don't remember much about the SMB game and it's D1. Guess i have to reread it. This game Toad has 5 pages of filter. Three of them is arguing with you geript and i can't hold that against Toad because i got where he is coming from and his explanation on your accusation lines up with what i thought in the first place. That's why i told you both to cut it off and go something else and to be honest neither of you did very well.

What bothers me about Vivax is his.. idk what to call it.. apathy towards anything? It's like he doesn't care about anything at all and i don't see the motivation to find mafia between his posting. Now this in itself is not a certain tell especially as Vivax has not played in a while but what i do remember from Vivax is that he's either fucking awesome and nails all the scum or everything goes south from the beginning led by him (just like me <3). I get that he can cut his entusiasm to post like a madman and call stuff out left and right but one thing that usually does not change even when people's playstyle changes is the motivation of posts and the overall quality. Smaller posts tend to merge into bigger posts but the quality is there. I just don't see the quality and the will to really find mafia in his posts.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 09:17 GMT
#1238
On February 27 2014 18:05 geript wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2014 17:54 Mocsta wrote:
Who ah.....

If its a good catch, how is it null?

The direct implication of a goof catch is that its meaningful....
Co side ring this is your primary scumspect, I find the response weird

Partially because it's D1 so town is more likely to flex to trust a solid townread's opinion. Partially because I can see scenarios from both perspectives that would get him both remembering the meta read and ignoring it for the time being.

I don't think anyone should do this because it's really fucking dumb. Someone being town does never make them right and to be blindly trusted.
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Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
February 27 2014 11:01 GMT
#1239
Hi guys, I'm here now and will start reading the game. If you have any questions just ask me but keep in mind I am at page 11 now
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
February 27 2014 11:08 GMT
#1240
Ange, quick question, are you planning on catching up all at once?
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