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Ange777
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raynpelikoneet
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Like just a small comment like "i like this post", or "i disagree because [insert small reasoning]", or "this is scummy"? It would be valuable to know where you stand at each point of your catch up as by that way you are "reading the thread like everyone else is". No need to ask anything but just to comment on, to let people know where you stood at each point of the game and what your thoughts were at that time. If it does not suit your style then ignore this proposition.  | ||
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Vivax
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Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads). Post reasoning for me being scum. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
a) It's really easy to do as town considering your situation and everyone can see a bit of where you stand and why b) it's really hard to do as scum as you obviously have read the scum QT first and have a grasp of what's going on already and will slip up. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 21:10 Vivax wrote: Rayn tell me more about this moconfirmation stuff. It seems like horseshit to me. Also, I'm disappointed. Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads). Post reasoning for me being scum. Mocsta makes a post that he knows will raise a question to me that cannot possibly be answered. I know there is like 99% chance mods have told him they will not give him town for his request but it's still a possiblilty that will always be nakking at my back and it's a fucking cheap thing to do as scum. Like if someone says "if you don't believe i am town now i will never play a game with you again". I don't like it so i just consider him town and i don't care what anyone thinks about it. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 27 2014 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Mocsta makes a post that he knows will raise a question to me that cannot possibly be answered. I know there is like 99% chance mods have told him they will not give him town for his request but it's still a possiblilty that will always be nakking at my back and it's a fucking cheap thing to do as scum. Like if someone says "if you don't believe i am town now i will never play a game with you again". I don't like it so i just consider him town and i don't care what anyone thinks about it. Why is this true exactly? I know I personally would not honour any requests like this. Also rayn I'm assuming you finally got around to reading my case? | ||
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Vivax
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On February 27 2014 17:51 geript wrote: That's a good catch, but I agree it's not really strong either direction. I'll try to explain it more tomorrow. As for Vivax the only really good point Wave made was on the "towny getting to the bottom of an issue" thing. This post struck out to me as a real emotional disconnect. Not in the sense that he's faking rage or anything but it's really weird to go from the last statement here directly into a case. Withholding reads is usually viewed as weird and scummy. Vivax isn't like "get over it, not going to happen" but he's also not in any way trying to counter pressure to see why Wave doesn't get that. His post not even caring about my super town read on his scum suspect is weird but not so sure it's scummy. Dude, Wave was shitting around for not getting information about a player he never read about. It's like I: come into the game saying I didn't read anything and then call people scummy cause they don't give me a read about somebody. | ||
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Vivax
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On February 27 2014 17:22 geript wrote: Like here's the beef Rayn, like I'm here rereading Vivax despite the fact that I think he's town. Despite the fact that I don't really like the cases on him. Despite the fact that no ones even fucking to bother to read Toad. You think I'm town, hell you even agree I'm mod confirmed. Sweet. But like, you scratch my back I scratch yours dude. Might be a bit biased cause he doesn't simply join sentiment against me. But this post feels townie as fuck. | ||
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
On February 26 2014 10:07 Mocsta wrote: suki. I am confused why u r actually voting me. U have listed actions u think I have taken, yet failed to comment on why those actions are scummy. Can u go into more detail please. I think it's a legitimate question by suki. If she was the scummiest player so far why not just vote her? Yet Mocsta refuses to answer -> scummy? On February 26 2014 10:51 TheChyz wrote: Hi all. Mocsta seems pretty town to me atm. In his last game (as scum, GSL open mini) his contributions in the middle of day 2 or 3 were worse than they seem right now. geript, why is it unlikely that rayn and toad can't be scum together? Awful first post. Not so happy with TheChyz's follow up posts as well. On February 26 2014 10:56 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I didn't want to add that to keep it a bit simpler or rather, it's directly implied. I don't understand how you can be so sure in giving each other town reads after this conversation. If the two of you know each others meta and reasoning so well this line of questioning might be intentional hoping for the other to give you a town read. I don't like it. And I certainly don't have any town reads based on this miller thing. After all this paint art that's all you came up with? That's not a scum slip. And you don't even push this any further. On February 26 2014 11:57 Mocsta wrote: hmmm started off by wanting to write a case on Suki but now ended up as nullish. Anyways for reference: + Show Spoiler + (1) On February 26 2014 09:08 suki wrote: For me, if you want to fake claim, you just do it.Hey guys, so I moved my thing that I had tonight to Wednesday day/night so I'm here now. I had to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird but anyways I'm Harry Potter. My power is I can shoot ##spells at people and make them do things. If we lynch correctly I learn new spells. Right now my spell list is: ##Expeliarmus - Makes target sheeping player provide reasoning on their vote otherwise they have to unvote. "I am HP, I have #spells" blah blah . The addition of "having to read my role pm a few times because it's kind of weird" is verbose and the type of fluff I find people write to make themselves feel safe with a lie <--- indicative of a mafia mindset. (2) On February 26 2014 09:38 Mocsta wrote: Sukmi U seem most out of place for me so far Everyone else is relatively carefree whereas u seem more try hard - in particular your claim is overly worded I get the history with toad, but your approach is not conducive towards gleaning alignment either On February 26 2014 09:42 suki wrote: So are you saying I'm scummy? On February 26 2014 09:43 Mocsta wrote: Scummiest so far, yes On February 26 2014 09:47 suki wrote: So then why isn't your vote on me? On February 26 2014 09:55 Mocsta wrote: This is an unusually passive aggressive approach for early game.- And something I throw out as scum all the time. Instead of trying to understand if my read on u is genuine or feigned, u play the psychological game and twist my lack of vote as something scummy. That diversion is it self very scummy. Now suki, were u aware harry potter is not in the game?? On February 26 2014 10:01 suki wrote: I've read this exchange a couple times and come to the same conclusion... null.lol what. ##vote Mocsta I never said anything you were doing so far was scummy, so who is twisting whose words? You, on the other hand, seem really intent on twisting the things I say to be scummy. Also I'm Harry Potter, of course I'm in the game. (and for the record I'm a different Harry Potter than the game rayn linked). I completely agree with what I wrote: "so then why isn't your vote on me?" is very passive aggressive for early Day1 and is a precursor to calling somebody scum. HOWEVER, I can't shake the feeling that Suki is retorting emotionally/personally -- which ties in with being called not Suki prior -- and thus makes me consider this is a townie going passive aggressive based on anger. (3) The rest of the filter makes me lean town somewhat. Im leaning towards I haven't communicated my position well, and Suki has interpreted me the wrong way. Mocsta, I like the reasoning where you explain why this could be said with a mafia mindset. But I wouldn't have picked it up on my own. I think it's suspicious that you did, maybe you are thinking with a mafia mindset and therefore spotted this immediately? On February 26 2014 12:19 gumshoe wrote: I will talk about how easy a mislynch I am all day everyday, so I can bitch about it later on when I get mislynched XD I see no reason to differentiate myself between games, being consistent overall makes me harder to read, which benefits my overall play, Also last nail bite, I don't like how you came into the game threatening me over my activity and then proceeded to berate me for said play, honestly I feel like you had me as a fixed target no matter what I'd do, and although you claimed to want responses from me you were eager to start pushing me in my brief absence, so that when I did return I would be arguing from lower ground. Very particular of you / : the more I think about it the more I feel like a bump on the agenda. Gumshoe seems to make a huge deal out of this "case" on him. It's not helpful at all and quite an easy topic to talk about if you can't actually contribute with content. Page 24 now. | ||
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Vivax
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Like, he calls her for scum for overly wording a joke claim. On the other hand he's the first to call somebody out as scummy if I'm not mistaken. | ||
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Mocsta
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On February 27 2014 22:03 Vivax wrote: Ange7, can you tell me what you think of Mocsta's early aggression on suki in the early game banter around page 14? Like, he calls her for scum for overly wording a joke claim. On the other hand he's the first to call somebody out as scummy if I'm not mistaken. For someone that tried to come acros as Mr.Analytical in GSL, you are applying much hyperbole this game. I said specifically: Suki was teh scummiest player in the game *SO FAR*. Half the game had not posted. Its called pressure. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 24 2014 14:10 Mocsta wrote: /in Early wifom Request town pls Rayn you are an idiot and im sick of hearing you bitch about it. My first post in the game... not once have I insinuated I am town because of this. Drop it. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 22:03 Vivax wrote: Ange7, can you tell me what you think of Mocsta's early aggression on suki in the early game banter around page 14? Like, he calls her for scum for overly wording a joke claim. On the other hand he's the first to call somebody out as scummy if I'm not mistaken. shh.. don't distract ange until she has caught up plz. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 27 2014 21:10 Vivax wrote: Rayn tell me more about this moconfirmation stuff. It seems like horseshit to me. Also, I'm disappointed. Mocsta, you had a chyz, rayn and HF scumread back in ur list post. Now it's all Chyz and me when the votes seem to swing in my direction, one of them being one of your feel scumreads (fuck those feelreads). Post reasoning for me being scum. See Wave case. Are you going to say its scummy to sheep something solid? trololololol Chyz was my primary scum read from before i made that list post. I dont get what ya problem is, I wrote the names in the order of the player list, since I copy/pasted.. .its not rocket science. You are looking for extremely cheap reasons to validate your contributions + Waves case as above -- which I noted you did not address/acknowledge Personally i find town often do not address cases but  O* always acknowledge them.##Unvote ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On February 27 2014 22:10 Mocsta wrote: Rayn you are an idiot and im sick of hearing you bitch about it. My first post in the game... not once have I insinuated I am town because of this. Drop it. I don't care man. Your post was a dick move. You know exactly how i deal with it regardless of what i say. so either be town or be a dick. | ||
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Mocsta
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On February 27 2014 20:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you do like marvesque catch up where you quote and comment on posts when you catch up? Like just a small comment like "i like this post", or "i disagree because [insert small reasoning]", or "this is scummy"? It would be valuable to know where you stand at each point of your catch up as by that way you are "reading the thread like everyone else is". No need to ask anything but just to comment on, to let people know where you stood at each point of the game and what your thoughts were at that time. If it does not suit your style then ignore this proposition. Not that you care, but i like this post a lot from you. On the surface, the request is obviously a pro-town move any alignment can make. But the way you went about it, giving lots of detail and seem genuinely keen to hear feedback on an unknown seems very town-esque to me. I think a scum way of saying this would be: Can you do like marvesque catch up where you quote and comment on posts when you catch up? No need to ask anything but just to comment on, to let people know where you stood at each point of the game and what your thoughts were at that time. | ||
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Mocsta
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On February 27 2014 22:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care man. Your post was a dick move. You know exactly how i deal with it regardless of what i say. so either be town or be a dick. I noted in BttB you held this position with me; that I should *know* how you respond to things. I clearly don't know. you take issue with a lot of things i don't expect you then, and don't do the things I do expect of you. e.g. I really expected you to try and connect with me early game. Maybe im too used to playing with Thrawn recently. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Vivax
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The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong. Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail. Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting. Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying On February 26 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote: [/B]Don't make me log onto a comp wave I was hoping we. Would both be town... Sigh Now before i go off the rails. Is the above truth or sarcasm? WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious. Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread On February 26 2014 10:05 Mocsta wrote: Rayn Do u thibk its plausible for a town wave to infer I am a scum read already? How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion. Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On February 27 2014 22:20 Vivax wrote: [/B]If his meta wasn't so different from GSL I'd be still thinking that gum is scum. The post where he comes in to "moderate" between you and suki just feels super wrong. Also Moc you're pretty prickly for a normal question, but let me go into detail. Everyone was bantering, fake miller claims, harry potter. Off the bat townreads, you and geript were the most serious guys during that phase, geript for Toad's townread, you for suki's posting. Anyway, you commented on WoS post reading suki as town cause feels saying WoS says it's not sarcasm, ie town read serious. Next post you somehow manage to get the illusion that you are wave's scumread How do you explain that? I think it's telling that at such a stage you are already so much into lynch politics, going as far as to imagine people scumreading you when they didn't say anything. But maybe you can explain where you got that illusion. Going on with the fullgame reread in the meantime. SOrry Vivax, already explained this one. It was this post: On February 26 2014 10:00 WaveofShadow wrote: [/B]You sure you don't mean </b>? I was about to ask how that could be construed as sarcasm but then I read it again. No, it's not sarcasm. And I explained it here, though Mocsta you never really confirmed this was what it was. Did I have the right of it? On February 26 2014 10:50 WaveofShadow wrote: The only thing it could be is my subtle joke at his PYP: LoL scumslip of using QT tags in thread. How he takes that as me implying he is scum and then furthering the suspicion across like three posts is beyond me. In fact, there should be no way anyone else picks up on that, especially people who weren't in that game. (Maybe why he asked you, but still, really subtle.) | ||
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