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On February 27 2014 05:51 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:49 Toadesstern wrote:On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta? bottom three in my list together with HF and geript. Not really able to write more than 2 or 3 liners while playing PC though. do you care to elaborate on that? you used me posting against geript to bolster how geript wasn't making sense, my vote is on mocsta and I have been pressuring him all the game, yet, i'm with both of them?
On February 27 2014 05:28 Toadesstern wrote:any thoughts on this you two Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 21:25 Holyflare wrote:Toad why you writing so much to justify your read on geript who you are already voting for? This is what doesn't add up: On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote. so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain. ##vote geript Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you? Why are you using all of this to push geript when you thought he was scummy before you gave him the chance to explain? Explain and vote do not go together. ? This still rubs me in all the wrong ways
pretty sure you had 2 posts like that bugged me completly in the wrong ways.
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On February 27 2014 05:53 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 05:49 Toadesstern wrote:On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta? bottom three in my list together with HF and geript. Not really able to write more than 2 or 3 liners while playing PC though. also adding to this, you seem to agree with a lot of what mocsta is saying but he's also in your bottom three over people like chyz that everyone and their mother has been discussing? don't get it
ctrl-f mocsta my filter and tell me where.
The only time I "agree" with him is this:
On February 26 2014 22:09 Toadesstern wrote:
oh Mocsta already came to the rescue. Good boy.
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since the list-posting mood seems to go around, here's mine:
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honestly WoS is probably between "probably town" and "townie as shit" but didn't want to get a 4th green color.
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he's trying to make me calm down
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On February 26 2014 11:25 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Well this is a bad post. Are you going to tell me now that all our IRC conversations about Toad were lies? In my opinion, if you are town, and you dont respect a players ability as town you tend to avoid reading their alignment (e.g. Slam) Early game you are chasing ppl you feel confident about reading that can help you. Frankly, the reason I asked your opinion on wave was because I thought we could be useful together if you are town since we just played scum together. Given that decision I took, it is indeed odd to me you did the same but with Toad.
In case anyone wonders because I've been mostly spending my time on geript and didn't get to explain more in detail. The above is one of the main reasons I don't like mocsta atm.
This post makes very little sense from a town PoV imo. Okay I get that Rayn doesn't respect my townplay and I would have guessed so. Now I don't know what those irc talks are about but telling him to ignore me is just bullshit. Rayn doesn't respect my townplay, no shit sherlock, if he did he'd be voting geript right now...
But not respecting my townplay doesn't mean he should just toss me in a corner and not try to read me. That's one of the most anti-town idea's I've ever read.
I can actually say the feeling's quite mutual and I think rayn is aware of that. I am sure he knows I'm taking digs at him for being wrong A LOT in... I always forget the name... the parity cop game I already referenced. Still I do end up with a read on him and Mocsta isn't holding that against me.
The reason that's a yellow and not an orange in my sheet is because I have no idea what thse irc talks were like but anyways, don't like that sentiment.
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On February 27 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 27 2014 05:59 Toadesstern wrote:On February 27 2014 05:53 Holyflare wrote:On February 27 2014 05:49 Toadesstern wrote:On February 27 2014 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript and Toad can you give your opinions on Mocsta? bottom three in my list together with HF and geript. Not really able to write more than 2 or 3 liners while playing PC though. also adding to this, you seem to agree with a lot of what mocsta is saying but he's also in your bottom three over people like chyz that everyone and their mother has been discussing? don't get it ctrl-f mocsta my filter and tell me where. The only time I "agree" with him is this: On February 26 2014 22:09 Toadesstern wrote:
oh Mocsta already came to the rescue. Good boy. I also want an answer to this. It's not so much agreeing per se but more the fact that the only reason you start to jump on mocsta is because of something i wrote (scum slip thing) and then when he explains it you completely drop your initial suspicion and talk over points with him and instead of getting to the bottom of motives you instead just disagree or point out why you think what he is saying is wrong/not possible. It doesn't look like an interaction with someone in your "bottom 3" scum suspects at all. Then there's your read on me... which is.... just lol
I never explained my suspicion on mocsta except for 10 minutes ago. The scumslip was because I wanted to people to talk about it. Either way it should mean for people that either you are scum because you're pulling some shit or he's mafia because the scumslip was truely a slip and people ignored it, which is odd to say the least if you got a 50/50 to hit scum.
I took it at facevalue because he was in my bottom list at that point and a scumslip would make sense on him.
When I looked at it for a second time I realized that it might as well just be nothing and him taking a dig at someone. Got overexcited.
I could understand someone thinking that's been my beef with mocsta though, the word scumslip tends to be very flashy and sticks in peoples memory... so I'm okay with that for now.
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On February 27 2014 06:57 geript wrote:
If that's the case then you need to explain how Moc is different from Toad then. Because toad is like sacred terrify for you but doing the same shit.
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I thought about asking that, but thought that's just going to get us to square 1 again. Let's just pretend he never said that while taking note that he did.
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On February 27 2014 07:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No what gerpit is accusing you of is totally not what i just described of Mocsta.
exactly. And he's going to point at his posts, going to say "here, toad doing bullshit" and leave it at that...
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Yeah I can live with that
##unvote
##vote Mocsta
Take note that the moment I see a chance to lynch geript I'll be on him no questions asked. But I seem to be the only one who wants him lynched right now despite my best efforts to get him lynched and continuing to talk about this doesn't get us anywhere. Just take note that this isn't a "I think mocsta is more scummy than geript" change of mind at all so don't even try to bring up how I don't make sense for voting mocsta instead of you geript.
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On February 27 2014 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw i guarantee everyone Holyflare is town.
You may call me the worst mafia player ever if he is mafia in this game.
Deal.
What do I have to say / what are you allowed to call me if he's town?
Geript and Mocsta more scummy but bottom 3 is still too good odds to let this slip.
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On February 26 2014 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:
Ange's super cool, she's the sister of someone else who's playing mafia, from Frankfurt and we had it planned to meet in Frankfurt at some kind of Schnitzelplace to eat some with Foolishness because he'll be in Germany. But I never heard back from her and I assume it's never going to happen.
She can always either jap or china if I'm not mistaken. I think it was China. The other 2 no idea.
she said she won't have time early on, didn't she?
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On February 27 2014 08:18 Cavalinho wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Cavalinho why are your posts so short and lack content unlike the last game? Because I died immediately last game. I'm going to try being much more measured instead of just posting shit and seeing what happens.
I like this guy
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On February 27 2014 08:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 08:21 Vivax wrote:
Imagine you're scum and a townie defends you thinking you're town.
Imagine you're town and a townie defends you when you're not really at acute danger
Imagine you're town and a scum defends you.
All alternatives aren't really attractive except for the scum party involved, except when you're at realistic danger of being lynched, which you weren't.
Shouting your townreads out loud without need only helps scum in picking their targets, for the nightkill and for lynches. They will know who they can push safely without facing resistance and who they have to NK.
Besides, town shouldn't spend time circlejerking around why somebody is town in such situations, but why somebody is scum. Of course it's situational, and in your case I didn't feel the need to redeem you from anything to find scum. I simply didn't find you scummy like others did, and that's all town needs to know. Now this is not really what translates to clarity and transparent so i heavily disagree with this post. There is no reason why one should not give out townreads, especially with reasoning. I understand the "useless" part but if half of the players find someone scummy and you don't, there is no reason to do what you did, which is you said "TheChyz is not scum but i won't tell you why". You cut off the bad cases if you know better because it gives people a better read on you and if you are right it forces the town to focus on targets that are important.
that posts actually makes sense considering it's Vivax. Not solely because Vivax but also because of the time he last played.
His last game was LIX if I'm not mistaken, that's a year ago.
Imo it was "meta" back than to not talk about townreads until you got for a clean swipe and have pretty much everyone figured out because single townreads are incredibly easy to fake for mafia due to the fact that they don't even have to lie about them.
Therefore, single townreads that weren't at the very beginning of d1 were commonly referred to as fluff and trying to look like you're doing something while not actually doing anything.
I especially was someone who took a book out of that note and I still don't think it's a good thing to post single town-reads at all. If you're a good player and have 90% of the people figured and and can lynch based on method of elimination by all means, post town reads but other than that, not really.
Again, I in particular were someone who kept saying so and I in particular bullied Vivax quite a bit in his last game. Seems plausable to have this idea for him. Also looks like he's really trying to improve considering that last game he was in.
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yeah. I've got geript, Holy and Mocsta as red/orange/yellow in that order. If I ignore Holy for because of mysterious meta reasons the only people I'm left with are Ange and gumshoe as replacements.
gumshoe technically speaking a green on my list but the weakest of them all.
Ange still neutral for obvious reasons.
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On February 27 2014 09:03 Toadesstern wrote:
yeah. I've got geript, Holy and Mocsta as red/orange/yellow in that order. If I ignore Holy for because of mysterious meta reasons the only people I'm left with are Ange and gumshoe as replacements.
gumshoe technically speaking a green on my list but the weakest of them all.
Ange still neutral for obvious reasons.
actually geript/Mocsta/Holy, in that order
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On February 27 2014 09:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 09:05 Vivax wrote:
Rayn how confident are you that HF is town? Didn't like those questions he asked me back then. I felt like he wanted me to say obvious stuff. How can you go from stating like 1 page back that we shouldn't be giving out town reads but then the next page literally just asking for town reads????? Also @ Toad, why have you continuously put me in your top 3 scum reads but your only reasoning is for one post that I questioned you about? What is my scum motivation behind that? What else is there that makes you lean scum on me over people that have not been present or opportunistically posting? You haven't qualified it or discussed anything about me at all, or mocsta, yet we're still in your top 3.
actually I explained a little about mocsta, Rayn quoted it and said it's even worse because it looks like misrepresentation or at the very least exaggeration because he's not the kind of guy who just flat out ignores people. To me that means trouble and that's the reason he got from yellow to orange.
I didn't even feel the need to read your adventure time and I didn't like the post I quoted from you. The quote is a minor thing but I don't see anything particularly townie about you so that's why you're yellow and not neutral. I don't really feel like going more into detail about to be honest, at least for today when I want mocsta and geript lynched a lot more. The read on you is somewhat of a gut-read I guess.
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I'll give it a read tomorrow and answer it that time. It's 1:40am right now, see you in 12 hours or so.
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On February 27 2014 12:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2014 12:50 gumshoe wrote:On February 27 2014 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like wtf is this supposed to mean otherwise? Not that it matters but I did the same thing this game Asked bh to roll town, what else? Yes and he either got it which modconfirms him as town or he didn't which makes him scum. Anyways the statement is out game information and totally BS.
pregame:
On February 24 2014 23:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I actually just send in a request for hosts to deny any possibly requests from anyone else. I want a fair chance to roll whatever just like anyone else.
Mocsta confirmed mafia. Lynch.
I am not going to lynch anyone besides Mocsta or geript today.
##vote Mocsta
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