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On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also Show nested quote +or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.
what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...?
That's a pretty martyr-y post.
I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now.
HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green?
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Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame.
On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias.
Whoa, this shoe has claws.
Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said?
And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve.
Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around.
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On February 26 2014 12:01 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:56 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:52 Holyflare wrote:So tram, if you can post try hard cases as either alignment, what significant reasoning do we have to believe that you are town this game? Why even post the caveat that you can do that as scum as well? Also or me making a good one because I felt I had to ( it's not that difficult to make anyone look scummy if you set your mind to it) and getting someone mislynched.
what does that mean??? Surely if you made a good one it would be on a scum...? That's a pretty martyr-y post. I dunno I'm starting to lean more towards sloppy townplay on gumshoe right now (and I'm also noting the involvement of JJD and Mocsta pushing gumshoe now) but I want to go look at his recent scumgame right now. HF if you had to make a call right now one way or the other, red or green? U know as scum, when I want to get ppl off a scum buddy. I vote jump on them scummily. Case in point: PYP with Johnnywup In this game, I gave a sound reason for gumshoe. Further, I agree completely after a re-read that his post for calling me town was opportunistic and lacking in detail. Ironically I now prefer Chz position for calling me town. You know, as scum my agenda is to infiltrate town. Thats my goal every game as scum. As town, I dont have that care. Thats how you read me. The fact that half this game think I am scum, in indicative of me pushing the buttons I DONT as scum. My 6 scum games out of 8, should be indicative of this enough to be gospel.
Ewwww self-meta analysis, Mocsta.
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On February 26 2014 12:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:03 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 12:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Vote: WaveofShadow Is it for trolling all wrong? No it's for correctly describing gumshoe's meta and then making a really bad read that contradicts the meta he described.
Are you going to show me how I did this?
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On February 26 2014 12:03 geript wrote:Is it for trolling all wrong?
Also, stop that, you.
You do this every game and think you can read me based on my early game posts when you can't.
Or we're both scum 'cause I think you did similar stuff in Survivor.
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On February 26 2014 12:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
EBWOP:
ugh.. reasoning for voting for gumshoe contradicts the meta Wave brought up on gumshoe.
In other words, gumshoe plays directly to his town meta that Wave (correctly) described and now he is voting for him.
I absolutely did not make a meta case on gumshoe Rayn.
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I see Rayn isn't going to address me.
That's real good because if he does I think I know what he's getting at and I will absolutely destroy his shit.
@Mocsta, reading through GSL I think I do have to drop the martyr tell. And bad association tell inc., but I'm pretty sure at this point it's impossible for both Mocsta and gumshoe to be scum.
@Gumshoe, what Holyflare said. Want to read some usefulness from you at some point.
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On February 26 2014 12:21 Holyflare wrote:Oh yeh, wave that reminded me: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:00 Holyflare wrote:
wave, why were you keen to hear responses about posts that came from mocsta etc but you didn't hesitate to put a vote on gumshoe before he had the chance to respond to anything? what gives?
Early D1.
No reason to hesitate.
I feel marginally better about gumshoe though less good than I did before reading his scumgame.
It is pretty clear that gumshoe is very aware of his meta and his above post is right; it's not going to make him easy to read.
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On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: Show nested quote +In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie
lol.
Terrible.
Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game?
His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such.
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On February 26 2014 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie lol. Terrible. Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game? His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such. Don't you dare to come tell me you are not aware of gumshoe's meta because in last couple of games as i just pointed out you have correctly identified his alignment while he has been making equally "scummy" posts than he has in this game. You cherrypick on some irrelevant part in one of his posts and regardless of if you know his meta or not (which you btw do - and don't even try to bring up some 6 month old game) the case is so fucking awful i don't even know what to say. How about you don't comment on the meta part because it's "no you" as neither of us can 100% prove being wrong on it but instead comment on the case you made that is fucking terrible.
I never said I'm not aware of his meta, but the post you quoted is not me commenting on it.
Him posting a paragraph this early into D1 doesn't prove anything at all about his alignment, and if you honestly think I should call him town for a meta read based on his posting so far DESPITE the fact that he is very obviously aware of what his meta shows as town or scum (as can be seen from his recent scumgame AND YOUR OWN POSTING ABOUT HIM) then I don't even know what to say.
And again the fact that YOU would dare think I of all people would base a read on gumshoe solely on meta is absolutely fucking terrible. I never have and never will do that.
Case dismissed Rayn, it's shit and I'm moving on.
Now as far as what I commented on gumshoe, you are linking it to my 'knowledge of his meta,' instead of taking it solely in the context of this game, so until you do that, I have nothing to say to you.
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On February 26 2014 12:47 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 12:36 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 12:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 10:22 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yes gumshoe's post was reasonable, but also easy. It doesn't say a thing to me about yours or his alignment.
I was curious as to whether or not he'd actually be playing this game as I'm used to him either playing his heart out, or lurking like crazy. Now this is exactly what gumshoe does. His scumplay is actually far better than his townplay because he realizes what town wants to hear and contributes towards that. As town he makes absolutely awful posts (sorry gumshoe ^^) that might not say anything at all or have one thought which might be "i don't know what X is doing" and there are 1000 words around it that explain his thoguht process and where he found that information that was in the end useless. He literally posts exactly what is in his mind at that time and it ends up in terrible posts that are like the easiest thing ever to attack. Now the green part in the quote makes me 100% sure WaveofShadow knows this. I also went to check on last couple of games where i remember both of gumshoe and Wave being town and gumshoe making his typical posts: Quiet game mini mafia: EOD1, we have outed mafia. gumshoe comes in 20min before the deadline, ignores the outed mafia and makes a hugeass case on Wave. Wave does not even consider gumshoe being mafia, in fact based on his N1 posting he says the opposite. TL Mafia LXIV: gumshoe makes terrible posts on D1 (like "vote me for mayor because i am so bad") and says nothing all D1. Wave never talks about gumshoe on D1, at all. Now both of these games in addition to my first quote from Wave support my argument that Wave knows gumshoe's meta pretty well. However, in this game, here is Wave's reasoning for voting for gumshoe: In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Here is the post in question: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on. This case on gumshoe is horrible and is not from a townie lol. Terrible. Remember Nuclear Winter where I pushed a mislynch on gumshoe for doing dick all the whole game? His plaing his heart out or lurking is completely alignment non-indicative and I said so earlier. That post you quoted in green is not a meta case, and you are awful or scum for thinking that I would dare make one as such. Don't you dare to come tell me you are not aware of gumshoe's meta because in last couple of games as i just pointed out you have correctly identified his alignment while he has been making equally "scummy" posts than he has in this game. You cherrypick on some irrelevant part in one of his posts and regardless of if you know his meta or not (which you btw do - and don't even try to bring up some 6 month old game) the case is so fucking awful i don't even know what to say. How about you don't comment on the meta part because it's "no you" as neither of us can 100% prove being wrong on it but instead comment on the case you made that is fucking terrible. I never said I'm not aware of his meta, but the post you quoted is not me commenting on it. Him posting a paragraph this early into D1 doesn't prove anything at all about his alignment, and if you honestly think I should call him town for a meta read based on his posting so far DESPITE the fact that he is very obviously aware of what his meta shows as town or scum (as can be seen from his recent scumgame AND YOUR OWN POSTING ABOUT HIM) then I don't even know what to say. And again the fact that YOU would dare think I of all people would base a read on gumshoe solely on meta is absolutely fucking terrible. I never have and never will do that. Case dismissed Rayn, it's shit and I'm moving on.
Now as far as what I commented on gumshoe, you are linking it to my 'knowledge of his meta,' instead of taking it solely in the context of this game, so until you do that, I have nothing to say to you.
So are you going to be Back to Basics Rayn this game?
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On February 26 2014 12:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Bad AtE defense. Try again.
Don't need to defend. Your case is awful and there is no way in hell that'll get me lynched.
Actually you know, I'll even give you a gift despite the fact that whatever I say won't be good enough for you as per always.
See, a big fucking thought process that ends in somewhat bad conclusion (that really says nothing). Now Wave's reasoning for calling this conclusion scummy is really terrible. First of all there is nothing scummy to not think about a conclusion you didn't think of because... YOU DIDN'T THINK OF IT! Second of all this is all characteristic to gumshoe's townplay, which Wave very well knows taking account he correctly described gumshoe's town!meta earlier on.
See the bolded?
That's linked to your idea that my whole case on gumshoe is based on meta. I've already shown it's not, and it's awful that you would even think it is.
As for the first part, I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly.
Now gumshoe's posting since that point has been better but his insistence of bringing up his own meta (and looking into GSL) is clouding my ability to use my normal reads. If you think I shouldn't be using games from 6 months ago, Rayn, MAYBE YOU SHOULD LET ME ATTEMPT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HE'S DOING THIS GAME RATHER THAN USE META.
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On February 26 2014 12:33 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:26 TheChyz wrote:
Hey geript I'm not a moron you know. My memory lasts more than a few minutes. Would you mind explain why rayn and toad can't be scum together. (for the third time...) A few things. One is how chummy they are early makes it unlikely they'd be together. Second, Rayn is probably town for his geript cop joke; it took me like 3 minutes to get that one. Third, I like Rayn's WoS vote and minor push; WoS has been trolling really weird to start off with and isn't his usual witty self. Fourth, they wouldn't both likely push back against me as scum together this early. Like I'm apparently unreadable to people which is totally crazy in my mind.
Reeaaalllly rubbing me the wrong way with this. Do you remember my start in our most recent scumgame together?
Do you also remember how many times you have made similar posts towards me in the past and they have been wrong? (Please don't make me go look them all up---suffice it to say you say shit like this all the time, and up until the last game we've played together I was always town.)
I also want to talk to you about this JJD/Toad business but I gotta finish with Rayn and my attention is divided.
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On February 26 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly.
Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead?
I literally respond to his post here.
On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around.
His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.'
Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him.
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On February 26 2014 13:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:And this is very much bullshit because it's impossible as if suki is a "good-towny" she'll disagree and get into argument with gumshoe.
Or she'll ignore it like you said I apparently do when gumshoe and I are both town, hmmm?
META
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lol actually knowing me I should probably just assume my initial read of suki is wrong 'cause newbie
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On February 26 2014 13:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So if gumshoe is mafia and suki is town as you are impyling here why is suki not making a big deal out of gumshoe's totally bullshit artificial scumread with bad reasoning on her?
Because it doesn't seem as though suki thinks gumshoe is scummy.
It doesn't matter what I think, it matters what she does for your meta bullshit to be right.
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According to you, if suki thinks gumshoe could be town she has no reason to respond in a rage to his post. Or is that solely something that's supposed to come from me because I know gumshoe's meta?
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On February 26 2014 13:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And why is your vote still on gumshoe. I guarantee you he is town. Even if i am mafia that's a 100% read.
To spite you at this point I suppose.
I'm coming around to him but let me get there on my own. Find scum, not reasons to push town gumshoe on me.
Now if I'm wrong about suki (which knowing my newbie reads I very well could be), you think that she didn't respond to gumshoe because he is right?
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On February 26 2014 13:25 gumshoe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 13:17 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:On February 26 2014 13:01 WaveofShadow wrote:
I see absolutely no reason why he should be assuming that suki's posting is either coming from a scummy place or a bad towny place at all, and to me that shows a scum mindset of setting the stage of placing her in a bad light/misrepresenting what she does. He gives her no options that make her look good-towny. Scum agenda, very clearly.
Well he has commented on this and explained his thought process which reads very clear to me. Yet you have nothing to say about the explanation but the original action instead? I literally respond to his post here. On February 26 2014 12:03 WaveofShadow wrote:Oh and by martyr-y post I meant gumshoe's, if that wasn't clear. The over-defensive 'woe is me I'ma get mislynched' I find is usually more likely to come from town (or scum jaybrundage), but yeah, gonna go read a scumgame. On February 26 2014 12:00 gumshoe wrote:
As for accusations regarding meta, my post on Suki talked about how I felt the post wasn't made a long time in Advance ( because it was careless) but felt crafted, she had to have thought about the Harry potter thing at least , it's a somewhat complicated thought, not really a spur of the moment one . I then supplemented the read with meta.
Same with toad, his serius change in tone felt abrupt, it felt odd, especially after a very serious scum game, so I tried to think of a motivation for it. I always combine and justify my reads with a combination of substance and meta, the substance provides actus reus , the meta providing men's reus. I fail to see your issue, what's more in past games we've played, you were aware of my lurker meta yet never treated me as hostilely as this. Have I pissed you off somehow? Because you came out of the gates swinging at me ( a target so easy that if I'm not being attacked I'm probably scum) and you haven't stopped, using every bit I post to reinforce your baseless confirmation bias. Whoa, this shoe has claws. Where do you get confirmation bias from anything I've said? And my 'lurker attack' of you has nothing to do with me coming up with a scumread on you at first that is now threatening to devolve. Please stop talking about how easy of a mislynch you are, because you're just going to make it a self-fulfilling prophecy. And Rayn, as I said before, you don't have marv to back you up here with baseless shit so you're gonna have to try harder than that if you want me to swing this time around. His response isn't good enough for me on its own, especially because it doesn't address the problem I have with that post of his to begin with. Saying a post is 'crafted' on its own is silly; what would it being a forethought have to say about suki's alignment to begin with, and even then every post is 'crafted' to some degree. I also mention multiple times that I don't appreciate his use of meta here; specifically how he bases his reads heavily on mindset that he believes people should have 'coming off of their last game.' Your vote can stay on me for all I care Rayn, but my vote stays on gumshoe until I feel better about him. Crafted( very deliberate purposeful game call back) but sloppy(easily called out by Mocsta) made me think it was planned in a quick span of time, a mafia role pm would be ample motivation for production of such a rough intro post. The arguments not bad, just not necessarily right, but it is there / : also as for the two options I shoe horned her in, you imply both are bad and serve as a trap, they dont, theres no motivation for trapping her into an answer if those answers arent scummy. I picked those two because they seemed most likely and would provide more discussion than "I'm just having fun".
There is, as I said earlier, discrediting a townie can often be the first step towards a mislynch.
Same question I asked to Rayn though---do you think her refusal to outright address you properly and provide the 'more discussion' you wanted is scummy?
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