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fuck this shit it's 2:30 and I really don't want to stay up any longer and I don't think I'll get more reactions from it and discussion it 12 hours earlier is probably better than going to bed and explain tomorrow...
So here's what happened:
Toad posts:On February 26 2014 09:39 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:34 suki wrote:On February 26 2014 09:10 Toadesstern wrote:
suki how's life? Still mafia/jester like the last 3 games? I heard you've got a habbit of rolling mafia I just claimed Harry Potter if you weren't reading so life is pretty swag. And IRC mafia doesn't count. So what's the plan this game Toad? Gonna slip up early in Day 1 and give us an easy scum lynch like our last game together? plan is to lynch mafia decidingly and continue doing so. Slip isn't going to happen, I'm town as you might be able to realize soon enough. Plan for today is to have millers claim to get that out of the way.
in a set-up that has no self-aware millers. Fine you might say, I could be doing that as both alignments, right? Next thing
rayn posts
On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller?
and I'm pretty damn sure he knew there are no self aware millers in this set-up given his wording.
We continue:
Toad and rayn post:
On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever On February 26 2014 09:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller? of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever I like what you are doing. We can be townbuddies.
So here's what I'm seeing. Rayn see's me asking a question that makes no sense because it's not possible according to set-up, yet instead of getting in here and yelling about me he gets in here and turns the question around, asking me if I'm a miller.
I answer him telling him that I'm not but I do like his question for (by now) very obvious reasons.
He says he likes what I'm doing, also for very obvious (by now) reasons.
He didn't get in the thread and hold it against me that I'm asking a "stupid" question, instead he ended up with a plausible read on me, or so I think.
Frankly speaking same goes for me, I didn't get back and yell at him for not reading the set-up.
Does anyone really think either mafia-Rayn or mafia-Toad would pass up on this chance to call the other one a retard? I don't think so.
So here's where it gets interesting:
Geript gets in the thread talking about how it could be anything, certainly indicating at having understood the situation, yet his vote on me makes no sense at all. Why would he come to the conclusion that I'm not making sense based on that?
That's his post
On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller? of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy.
I repeatedly asked him to look at it and explain himself, making it clear that I want him to pay attention, stating that I am in fact 100% serious when I said what I said.
He ended up making another post which implies that he had no idea what's going on at all,
+ Show Spoiler [this one] +On February 26 2014 10:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who did make what observation? I am not following geript. His townread on you is super weird. Maybe I'm just too zealous and too super srs, but I didn't read his response as counter-trolling where I read your read on him as early trolling. So his response isn't a weird enough read (e.g. Vivax "everyone who's posted before me is probably town" read in LXI or Vayne's "Geript not scum with Yamato/Wave" read based on scum talking to each other early in whatever game we just got out of) to be a serious read. But it's equally not an obvious read because you're obvious town. And since I don't read it as trolling, there's only one possibility. Also curse you for forcing me to walk upstairs while I was watching SVU so I could type this out and explain it.
I don't think those 2 posts from him fit together. Thoughts?
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On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote.
so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain.
##vote geript
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On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little.
yeah sure I'll stick around for another 30 minutes or so I think, still need to watch another episode of nisekoi
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On February 26 2014 10:46 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:45 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little. yeah sure I'll stick around for another 30 minutes or so I think, still need to watch another episode of nisekoi Will there be gifs?
don't think so
On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:42 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 09:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Toad are you a miller? of course not, but I like this question. You replace WoS as my buddy to murder all of mafia. Easiest townread ever The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy.
That's your "reasoning" geript and it's entirely missing the point. It's not about rayn being able to read the OP. It's about rayn letting me fish and see how this goes while ignoring an opportunity to bash me.
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On February 26 2014 10:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:38 Toadesstern wrote:
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He didn't get in the thread and hold it against me that I'm asking a "stupid" question, instead he ended up with a plausible read on me, or so I think.
Frankly speaking same goes for me, I didn't get back and yell at him for not reading the set-up.
Does anyone really think either mafia-Rayn or mafia-Toad would pass up on this chance to call the other one a retard? I don't think so.
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No it's actually the fact that if you were mafia you would not call me town for something like that and vise versa. Because why would you? Unless we are both mafia. Which we both know we are not. geript not reaching to this conclusion is imo weird as fuck.
yeah I didn't want to add that to keep it a bit simpler or rather, it's directly implied.
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On February 26 2014 10:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Toad defs town.
Toad I don't take any issue with Geript's first post really but reading his second I can't actually tell if he knew what was going on or not. If he doesn't know what's going on his thought process makes some degree of sense to me in that the ;townreads for silly reasons' has some merit to it, but then he talks about trolling and counter-trolling which sort of negates that making sense at all.
exactly my though as well. I read his first post and thought it's weird, he certainly did sound like he knew what was going on.
Like you said the second post, the one spoilered in my big posts makes it look like he had no idea about it after all, which got me back to neutral on him.
AFTER I explained the situation he gets in here and tells us his vote is exactly where it needs to be and again, makes it look like he knew what was going on all along by stating that he already explained his reasoning (mind I add, before I explained stuff), which would be obsolete had he not understood the situation.
This makes no sense
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On February 26 2014 10:58 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah Toad defs town.
Toad I don't take any issue with Geript's first post really but reading his second I can't actually tell if he knew what was going on or not. If he doesn't know what's going on his thought process makes some degree of sense to me in that the ;townreads for silly reasons' has some merit to it, but then he talks about trolling and counter-trolling which sort of negates that making sense at all. exactly my though as well. I read his first post and thought it's weird, he certainly did sound like he knew what was going on. Like you said the second post, the one spoilered in my big posts makes it look like he had no idea about it after all, which got me back to neutral on him. AFTER I explained the situation he gets in here and tells us his vote is exactly where it needs to be and again, makes it look like he knew what was going on all along by stating that he already explained his reasoning (mind I add, before I explained stuff), which would be obsolete had he not understood the situation. This makes no sense
just to get this out clear because I'm writting confusing while watching something else...
When I asked him AFTER the explanation to explain himself again, he tells me to read his post from BEFORE I explained stuff. That directly implies that he knew what was going on because otherwise his explanation from before would make no sense if he didn't understand the situation at that point in time.
Yet he says it makes no sense.
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On February 26 2014 10:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who did make what observation? I am not following geript. His townread on you is super weird. Maybe I'm just too zealous and too super srs, but I didn't read his response as counter-trolling where I read your read on him as early trolling. So his response isn't a weird enough read (e.g. Vivax "everyone who's posted before me is probably town" read in LXI or Vayne's "Geript not scum with Yamato/Wave" read based on scum talking to each other early in whatever game we just got out of) to be a serious read. But it's equally not an obvious read because you're obvious town. And since I don't read it as trolling, there's only one possibility.Also curse you for forcing me to walk upstairs while I was watching SVU so I could type this out and explain it.
On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote. so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain. ##vote geript Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you?
This is directly responding to my question to reevaluate the situation given that I, at that time, had explained what was going on. I, same as WoS, wasn't sure if you actually knew what was going on, might have been just a confused townie who didn't know what was going on, in which case his confusion about the townread would make sense. It would prove he's not reading the OP but that's hardly alignment indicating.
Instead he points me at his explanation PRIOR to my explanation, which would be completly and utterly uselss if that was done under the basis of not knowing what was going on. So he is CLEARLY stating he knew that I was redfishing all along, he clearly knew about the millers and thinks the townread makes no sense when indeed it makes an awful lot of sense.
I am restating this to make sure people get the timing of these events correctly. I've seen a bunch of comments from people but none of them are really commiting to anything. I remember JJD saying I made sense, I remember 2 people I don't know saying geript makes no sense, I remember suki saying there are no millers which seems fairly odd (now that I think about it, she might have been just not known what's going on and thought WoS misunderstood me... have to reread that) and WoS posting this:
On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little.
which is basicly a giant "yeah makes sense with your explanation but I totally didn't know about it. Could be geript totally didn't know about it either despite looking like he did. See that 2nd post he did? Maybe he's just confused" and then a lot of nothing because he looks like he doesn't want to wifom over this as long as he has no idea about geripts state of knowledge.
We do know how much geript knew about this. Geript clearly stated that he knew what was going on all along. Stop talking about it as if there was a possibility of it not being the case and tell me what you make of geript given the conclusion that he knew about it all along.
Like I said, I see a bunch of talk about him and a bunch of "this is weird", yet I'm the only one voting him. Why is that?
Need to pick up my sis, be back in an hour.
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On February 26 2014 21:16 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:02 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who did make what observation? I am not following geript. His townread on you is super weird. Maybe I'm just too zealous and too super srs, but I didn't read his response as counter-trolling where I read your read on him as early trolling. So his response isn't a weird enough read (e.g. Vivax "everyone who's posted before me is probably town" read in LXI or Vayne's "Geript not scum with Yamato/Wave" read based on scum talking to each other early in whatever game we just got out of) to be a serious read. But it's equally not an obvious read because you're obvious town. And since I don't read it as trolling, there's only one possibility.Also curse you for forcing me to walk upstairs while I was watching SVU so I could type this out and explain it. Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote. so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain. ##vote geript Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you? This is directly responding to my question to reevaluate the situation given that I, at that time, had explained what was going on. I, same as WoS, wasn't sure if you actually knew what was going on, might have been just a confused townie who didn't know what was going on, in which case his confusion about the townread would make sense. It would prove he's not reading the OP but that's hardly alignment indicating. Instead he points me at his explanation PRIOR to my explanation, which would be completly and utterly uselss if that was done under the basis of not knowing what was going on. So he is C LEARLY stating he knew that I was redfishing all along, he clearly knew about the millers and thinks the townread makes no sense when indeed it makes an awful lot of sense. I am restating this to make sure people get the timing of these events correctly. I've seen a bunch of comments from people but none of them are really commiting to anything. I remember JJD saying I made sense, I remember 2 people I don't know saying geript makes no sense, I remember suki saying there are no millers which seems fairly odd (now that I think about it, she might have been just not known what's going on and thought WoS misunderstood me... have to reread that) and WoS posting this: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:43 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 10:40 gumshoe wrote:On February 26 2014 10:16 Toadesstern wrote:
actually screw what I just said, this trolling shit sucks so let's get down to serious business, we have something to talk about and everyone's ignoring it.
WoS/Holy I know you to are fairly smart, smart enough to answer the following question. What do you make of the conversation between Rayn, geript and me? I want to get some input on that from some more people.
Should help me figure out if you guys are reading I feel it's important to note that Toads just come off a pretty brutal loss in default, he was outed as the mafia godfather night 1 and I cant help but suspect that either way, that blow will influence his play. The tone switch in this post is noteworthy, he played out the start pretty lightly (in contrast to default where he was somewhat tense throughout) and he feels the need to 'snap' out of it. Feels slightly odd, like hes trying to let us know that hes acting natural, but is intent on winning. This reads exactly like your post on Mocsta and I don't like it. Do you always base your reads entirely on their most recent game? (Speaking of which, don't talk about ongoing games). Toad I actually did follow Geript's thought process to some degree. And I actually had no idea about the miller stuff until you just mentioned it. If you're sticking around Toad I can discuss with you a little. which is basicly a giant "yeah makes sense with your explanation but I totally didn't know about it. Could be geript totally didn't know about it either despite looking like he did. See that 2nd post he did? Maybe he's just confused" and then a lot of nothing because he looks like he doesn't want to wifom over this as long as he has no idea about geripts state of knowledge. We do know how much geript knew about this. Geript clearly stated that he knew what was going on all along. Stop talking about it as if there was a possibility of it not being the case and tell me what you make of geript given the conclusion that he knew about it all along. Like I said, I see a bunch of talk about him and a bunch of "this is weird", yet I'm the only one voting him. Why is that? Need to pick up my sis, be back in an hour.
[i]oh something I forget about the first red phrase in addition to the above:[/b]
How in the world do you end up calling it trolling if you knew what was going on. If he knew I was redfishing, neither what rayn or I did could possibly be interpreted as trolling. No way, yet he says he's not sure if one of us is trolling. The Fuck is that.
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On February 26 2014 21:25 Holyflare wrote:Toad why you writing so much to justify your read on geript who you are already voting for? This is what doesn't add up: Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote. so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain. ##vote geript Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you? Why are you using all of this to push geript when you thought he was scummy before you gave him the chance to explain? Explain and vote do not go together.
so you're telling me I shouldn't push the guy I think to be the best lynch because that makes me look like I care?
1) The thing you quoted was before he stated that he knew what was going on all along
2) Asking him to explain lead to him saying that he knew all along what was going on
3) Making him talk about this will most likely make it easier for me to explain to you why geript needs to be lynched because look at his posts
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oh Mocsta already came to the rescue. Good boy.
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wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about:
On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD.
Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness.
At the very least this is worth some talking
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On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:@Geript Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. Geript,I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent??? Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad. Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. [b\##unvote ##vote toadescum [/b]
So you think I am mafia because according to you, redfishing isn't alignment indicative, which I already stated myself and has nothing to do with why I read rayn as town or why I think his read on me is a nice one.
Because the rest of your post just explains how it's not alignment indicative.
And then you go on about how I don't give you an honest read? What? I said the read is 100% honest and serious at least 4 times now. Both reads actually if you want to include yourself as well because as you might have realized I'm getting you lynched right now.
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On February 26 2014 22:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:@Geript Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. Geript,I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent??? Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad. Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. ##unvote
##vote toadescum So you think I am mafia because according to you, redfishing isn't alignment indicative, which I already stated myself and has nothing to do with why I read rayn as town or why I think his read on me is a nice one. Because the rest of your post just explains how it's not alignment indicative. And then you go on about how I don't give you an honest read? What? I said the read is 100% honest and serious at least 4 times now. Both reads actually if you want to include yourself as well because as you might have realized I'm getting you lynched right now.
There's literally nothing in there that even tries to call me scummy. He's calling me mafia based on "I don't think you people should consider it such a strong a town-tell"
The fuck
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On February 26 2014 22:30 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 22:23 Toadesstern wrote:wait, how come noone considers this thing HF pointed out worth talking about: On February 26 2014 11:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:31 JarJarDrinks wrote:On February 26 2014 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 26 2014 11:14 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 11:10 WaveofShadow wrote:
@moc
Anything you want to discuss? Im drafting up my issues with Suki so feedback on that would be good when its released. As an aside/observation/muse till then, I havent read in detail the interactions between Geript/Toad/Rayn (as I have been focussed on you + Suki) however I am finding Rayns approach to Toad odd (regardless of alignment). Basically I know Rayn doesnt respect Toads town play. Red Herring or something to keep note of? Nah I'm generally okay with it. I don't find it alignment indicative for Rayn. Something JJD said reminded me of something: On February 26 2014 10:08 gumshoe wrote:
Mocsta seems into it this game, overall just sharper off the bat then when I was scum together with him just a few days ago. Hes been rolling red alot lately and thats been frustrating him, but I hear none of that agitation in his posts so far. Preliminary read of course, but I feel good about his accusation not coming from a place of deceit. So now I'm left wondering, is he right about Suki? Suki's post doesn't quite feel like it was thought out days in advance, (it's a fairly sloppy one and obviously susceptible to critique) but it does feel crafted, which gives me the sense that she read her pm an hour ago and started over thinking her opening. The post itself is also one that calls back to old games, an attempt at inducing nostalgia. How someones posting makes us feel can easily influence our perception of them and the harry potter claim might be aiming for that.
If Suki isn't scum she's either a) nervous, or b) baiting. Suki, which explanation do you prefer? In this post gumshoe doesn't offer the option that doesn't fit his idea of what suki is doing. (For example, she is neither AND is town.) Town should always be considering all options. I agree w/ this assesment. Also I find it odd that he seems to give moc a townread for some pretty terrible reasoning. Especially since IMO, moc has been acting pretty scummy. So... in Back to basics as both town, you found me scummy. in GSL Mini IV as me scum you town... you found me townie. in this game you find me scummy.... guess that means im town. Congratz JJD. Is a scumslip according to HF and I see where he's coming from because it doesn't look like Mocsta is even considering the possibility of JJD being mafia. He just flat out states that he's town without reasoning to "prove" his own towniness. At the very least this is worth some talking Is this for real... the entire point of those 3 lines was to state that JJD always reads me wrong he got it straight away. This isnt rocket science toad.
mmmh, yeah I got that but that does imply that you know JJD to be town, or you could be taking a dig at him I guess. So carry on.
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On February 26 2014 22:32 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 22:08 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 21:25 Holyflare wrote:Toad why you writing so much to justify your read on geript who you are already voting for? This is what doesn't add up: On February 26 2014 10:45 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 10:43 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2014 10:42 geript wrote:
Yup, I'm happy with my vote. so you knew about it but still came to the conclusion that the read is weird? Explain. ##vote geript Lets rolls this back a second. What about how I explained finding your read on Rayn was weird isn't making sense to you? Why are you using all of this to push geript when you thought he was scummy before you gave him the chance to explain? Explain and vote do not go together. so you're telling me I shouldn't push the guy I think to be the best lynch because that makes me look like I care? 1) The thing you quoted was before he stated that he knew what was going on all along 2) Asking him to explain lead to him saying that he knew all along what was going on 3) Making him talk about this will most likely make it easier for me to explain to you why geript needs to be lynched because look at his posts Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 21:31 Holyflare wrote:
No..........? I'm asking why he voted for a person whose intentions he must not of known because he qualifies the end of his post with an "explain?" If he did not know the explanation then why would the vote go down before he even heard the explanation? Also,
because he's either not making sense or being mafia at that point in time. In both cases I want to vote him to figure out which one it is, or you know, to get him lynched because he's mafia.
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geript, how about you explain how you came to the conclusion that either of Rayn or me might trolling?
You think a townie OR a mafia see's someone fishing and the reasonable assumption is it's trolling?
Not some kind of plan behind it? Not some kind of bullshit? Not someone trying to cause chaos?
All explanations that are okayish/suck to some degree but I'd understand it. But trolling?
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On February 26 2014 22:55 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 22:46 Toadesstern wrote:
geript, how about you explain how you came to the conclusion that either of Rayn or me might trolling?
You think a townie OR a mafia see's someone fishing and the reasonable assumption is it's trolling?
Not some kind of plan behind it? Not some kind of bullshit? Not someone trying to cause chaos?
All explanations that are okayish/suck to some degree but I'd understand it. But trolling? 1. It's early game. Trolly shazazzle like miller stuff will happen. I remember someone (maybe Kush) claiming Doc in a setup with no doc. Your initial miller post is completely not alignment indicative. The other thing that you're missing is that your town read on him, my snap feel was that you were scum and I forgot about the miller thing. Then to explain I reread to make sure I wasn't crazy; dismissed the miller stuff as unimportant and continued. Even when you explained the miller thing later on, it's complete frakking bullshazazzle because your initial response is nothing like that. Even on top of it, like the miller thing is just stupid because millers are going to do whatever the frak they were going to do.
that's a lie. I stated I'm 100% serious multiple times.
Rayn made it very clear himself as well
Don't give me some horsecrap "it's early game, so probably trolling" when there's posts like:
On February 26 2014 09:49 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:47 geript wrote:On February 26 2014 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
geript you need to explain. No I don't. Look at the reason for the read he gave and don't tell me it's not bullshit. It's actually a pretty damn serious one. Do you not pay attention or are you confused right now? I want an answer, don't treat this as some kind of trolling, I'm dead serious right now.
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On February 26 2014 10:38 Toadesstern wrote:[...] I repeatedly asked him to look at it and explain himself, making it clear that I want him to pay attention, stating that I am in fact 100% serious when I said what I said. He ended up making another post which implies that he had no idea what's going on at all, + Show Spoiler [this one] +On February 26 2014 10:02 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 09:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Who did make what observation? I am not following geript. His townread on you is super weird. Maybe I'm just too zealous and too super srs, but I didn't read his response as counter-trolling where I read your read on him as early trolling. So his response isn't a weird enough read (e.g. Vivax "everyone who's posted before me is probably town" read in LXI or Vayne's "Geript not scum with Yamato/Wave" read based on scum talking to each other early in whatever game we just got out of) to be a serious read. But it's equally not an obvious read because you're obvious town. And since I don't read it as trolling, there's only one possibility. Also curse you for forcing me to walk upstairs while I was watching SVU so I could type this out and explain it. I don't think those 2 posts from him fit together. Thoughts?
lynch that guy.
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On February 26 2014 23:16 geript wrote:
Ok so toad is scum. You guys can lynch him now and we can move on with the game or if by some act of god he gets me lynched, then you can lynch his ass next. I'll gladly trade for lynching him.
How about you explain why you think I'm mafia because you just told HF to read your filter after both of us told you that your explanation makes no sense because it merely states that you don't think something should be a townread on me which makes me null and that's your whole reasoning for thinking I'm mafia.
Or how about you point out where you said why I'm mafia because there's nothing like that in your filter and clearly your vote stems from your "toad is a null, so I'll vote him" post.
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Best of geript
1) My townread on Rayn makes no sense
It makes an awful lot of sense. There's 3 reasons for stating rayn is town in that situation, 1 being a minor one, 2 being big ones. - Rayn does not use the situation to call me a retard. That's the minor one but it's a reasonable guess to assume rayn would do so. Mafia like to call out people, they're actively searching for shit people are doing and yes, calling for people to claim miller in a set-up with no selfaware millers would be such a situation
- Rayn opting to call me town is a route that dips any confusion and chaos right in the bucket. He could be sitting there, laughing about how I misunderstood the OP and not say a word, watching as town falls into chaos because of that. Going out and telling people I'm town clears confusion 100%. That's a major townread.
- There is absolutely no reason for Rayn to call me town if he's mafia. Zero. If he's mafia he is just fine giving me a strange look without following up with a townread on me. He would be perfectly fine to just come back later, tell people he knew about it all along, as can be seen by his posts and said he though I'm being an idiot. There's literally no reason whatsoever for a mafia-rayn to call me town in that situation. That's another major townread.
2) The whole thing was just a troll
There is no possible explanation for calling it a troll. You see a guy redfishing and you think it's a troll? You either think the guy is a townie redfishing or the guy is a mafia faking redfishing, in either scenario you're 100% certain the guy in question is dead serious with what he's doing. Yet he calls it a troll. No townie would think of that situation as troll given knowledge of the troll, which he stated to be true.
3) The whole thing was just a troll #2
The whole thing was a troll according to him. If he, for whatever reason possible, actually thought it's a troll his mafiaread makes no sense at all. If I am trolling with a townread I am trolling with a townread. He's calling my townread a troll and nonsensical at the same time. Let's get this as clear as possible: It wasn't a troll at all, but if it was a troll there's no reason to consider it a weird thing because it's nothing more than a troll and I can troll as either town or mafia. The read itself makes no sense because it's a troll, not because it's from mafia or town. Calling me mafia based on that is bullshit.
Again stating to make sure there's not some people who get the wrong idea: The thing was no troll at all
4) He comes up with a townread on rayn
So Geript comes up with a townread on rayn based on the conversation and calls me null, because reading rayn as town makes no sense. He's reading him as town himself for christs sake and dares to tell me my townread makes no sense?
5) His reasoning for voting me
On February 26 2014 22:24 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 17:33 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 13:13 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2014 13:02 Mocsta wrote:@Geript Show nested quote +On February 26 2014 12:35 Mocsta wrote:On February 26 2014 09:53 geript wrote:
The miller thing is a silly question. But super fast townread for bullshazazzle reasons. It's not a weird enough reason to call you town to make the observation likely come from town. Equally it's not obvious enough to be an alright soft read. It's just a completely random townread for no reason. That's super scummy. Apologies if this has been asked already. Red: Why is asking millers to claim stupid? Blue: Why is an random (unsubstantiated) town read, "super scummy". Is not the objective of scum to blend in and not put heat on themselves by doing these type of things that are "super scummy"? @Moc 1 Because there aren't millers. 2 A random unsubstantiated townread isn't super scummy automatically. Like, it's how you get there. For town there's a clear thought process no matter how good or bad. Rayn's good enough scum that he could 'fish back' as either alignment. Like it's a really simple thing for him to flat out say, "the miller fish response" for the townread thing and it's something really straight forward and I get. That type of response normally is pretty indicative of town, but how he responded initially had absolutely nothing to do with the miller thing. More importantly, the miller thing is only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn and not for Toad. The instatownread thing makes me feel even less confident about him. Like I don't get why he couldn't have explained the miller thing initially. 3 How people play scum is subjective. I don't think that everyone goes for the blendy-long-game type. Geript,I am having real trouble digesting your postings in general. You feel like you are writing "off-the-cuff" but the thoughts dont seem coherent??? Can you explain why the miller thing is semi-alignment indicative for rayn, and not for toad. Toad calls for millers to claim Rayn asks Toad if he's a miller Toad says no but he likes the question Rayn's response to Toadescum is like really really towny; it's an exceptionally off the cuff and funny that it's very hard to come from scum. The problem is that it's rayn and he's done this as either alignment many times. So that's why it's only semi-alignment indicative for Rayn. The thing is, at no point does any of this help read Toad; the initial miller thing isn't alignment indicative; recognizing Rayn's response as towny isn't alignment indicative. Like the only thing that's happened since him returning to the thread for him is nothing. If he were town, he'd at least try to give me an honest read. But since he's not he's probably just scum who fixated on a dashing sexy guy. ##unvote
##vote toadescum which reads as "he's a null so has to be mafia". He spends the entire post to argue how what I did is not alignmentindicative at all and suddenly ends up voting me.
Lynch that guy right now. Thanks
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